FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

[A-lister]

I think that videos are being attacked by Greeks and some Macedonians again...some ppl in Macedonia are unsatisfied with everything, it's very complicated, politics are involved..and Greeks you probably know that issue..Vlatko & Esma are under constant pressure, I hope we will see them in Malmo in the end.. And now when ESC fans start to bash NEW entry, I really hope they won't withdraw in the end..

What's the Greeks problem NOW then? I mean they changed their entry and deleted all traces of their video because of silly politics... should they just withdraw from ESC all in all to make some happy or what?

I even think it's a shame that EBU is playing along with this political game and mention them as "FYR" when the majority of the world simply recognized the country as Macedonia...

I don't get this... if they changed to an "harmless" entry that couldn't be desperately "interpreted" in a trillion ways then what's the problem now? It's not as if it's the first time they enter the contest...

confusing

 

[Mrm]

Yeah, I know but it became really complicated situation in Macedonia with that "Skopje 2014" project..etc...

And Greeks problem wasn't exactly Imperija, but all Macedonian videos...I knew that nothing will change..

 

[cegs5]

What's the Greeks problem NOW then? I mean they changed their entry and deleted all traces of their video because of silly politics... should they just withdraw from ESC all in all to make some happy or what?

I even think it's a shame that EBU is playing along with this political game and mention them as "FYR" when the majority of the world simply recognized the country as Macedonia...

I don't get this... if they changed to an "harmless" entry that couldn't be desperately "interpreted" in a trillion ways then what's the problem now? It's not as if it's the first time they enter the contest...

confusing

They have to use FYR because it's the neutral name used in every international conventions until now, so is it shame also the UN to use it? Maybe, maybe not...but it is the name what can they do?
Also in Olympic Games they have to use FYR...no matter how most of the people call the country, they must use it.

I see so much drama from both sides, FYROM and Greece, about nothing!

 

[A-lister]

Yeah, I know but it became really complicated situation in Macedonia with that "Skopje 2014" project..etc...

And Greeks problem wasn't exactly Imperija, but all Macedonian videos...I knew that nothing will change..

But they deleted all traces of the video and even changed the entry to please their opponents... I mean so what's the problem now?

Gosh that whole dispute is just so silly... How I wish for such disputes to just stay out of Eurovision... unfortunately EBU with their use of "FYR" are even adding their part to the politicization of the contest.

 

[A-lister]

They have to use FYR because it's the neutral name used in every international conventions until now, so is it shame also the UN to use it? Maybe, maybe not...but it is the name what can they do?
Also in Olympic Games they have to use FYR...no matter how most of the people call the country, they must use it.[/URL]

I see so much drama from both sides, FYROM and Greece, about nothing!

Ehm? People in countries hardly care... but the majority of the world's countries officially recognizes it as simply "Macedonia" (or more precise "Republic of Macedonia")

File:Macedonia naming dispute.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Olympic committee and UN are no legitimate organizations imo...

Anyways back to their entry... so did they change or what's going on?

 

[Mimi]

They have to use FYR because it's the neutral name used in every international conventions until now, so is it shame also the UN to use it? Maybe, maybe not...but it is the name what can they do?
Also in Olympic Games they have to use FYR...no matter how most of the people call the country, they must use it.

I see so much drama from both sides, FYROM and Greece, about nothing!

Then why would you write down FYROM? It is FYR Macedonia.

 

[DannyDS]

Then why would you write down FYROM? It is FYR Macedonia.

Actually, for me it's (FY) R Macedonia.

but omg who cares. This ain't a political thing. ESC is about music

 

[evija87]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

I think for haters there won't be a song that is good enough, that's the problem. I guess it started the wrong way with whole controversy but now it's gone so people should focus on new song and support their singers. I'd partialy understand if they choose no-names for a duet and be afriad of their abilities and profesionalism but they have Esma and Vlatko, very popular, known and accomplished people in the country so why not give them some trust and support because I think they were bashed enough to make this eurovision experiance painful for them before it even started. The whole political thing is going for so long between the countries that I know that many Greeks (not all, I absolutely don't want to generalize!!!) will hate and hated whatever entry they send through the years, but people from your own country should be more supportive I think. Too bad we got to this situation

 

[Mrm]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

@ A-lister

Many ppl from Macedonia also reacted very negatively on "Imperija" because it was promoting "Skopje 2014" project...they thought Macedonian government was creator of "Imperija" and video..It's complicated in Macedonia atm..

 

[A-lister]

but omg who cares. This ain't a political thing. ESC is about music

As it should be, but it all seems their first entry was changed (and the video disappeared) because of politics...

Unfortunately country disputes are too common in ESC... do I need to remind you about vs. and vs. ?

 

[cegs5]

Ehm? People in countries hardly care... but the majority of the world's countries officially recognizes it as simply "Macedonia" (or more precise "Republic of Macedonia")

File:Macedonia naming dispute.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Olympic committee and UN are no legitimate organizations imo...

Anyways back to their entry... so did they change or what's going on?

They recognize Republic of Macedonia for bilateral relations only. I mention Olympic Games as an example. UN maybe is not a legitimate organisation, but they both are members so they agree to call the country FYR Macedonia till the dispute ends (someday maybe) Greece is not totally happy about that name, they don't want the word Macedonia at all even with or without FYR...Please, EBU is not adding any trouble, if they use FYR term is because they must do it.

Anyway, back to the entry, it sucks!

 

[A-lister]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

@ A-lister

Many ppl from Macedonia also reacted very negatively on "Imperija" because it was promoting "Skopje 2014" project...they thought Macedonian government was creator of "Imperija" and video..It's complicated in Macedonia atm..

Oh man... then some should drop out of ESC and create "Eurovision Political Contest" = WW3

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

Managed to listen to a snippet of this in a top songs video on youtube. Doesn't seem to be as good as Imperija. It's a shame because Imerija was the first Macedonia entry I've instantly liked.

It's only about 8-10 seconds I heard though so it's not great for judging.

 

[A-lister]

They recognize Republic of Macedonia for bilateral relations only. I mention Olympic Games as an example. UN maybe is not a legitimate organisation, but they both are members so they agree to call the country FYR Macedonia till the dispute ends (someday maybe) Greece is not totally happy about that name, they don't want the word Macedonia at all even with or without FYR...Please, EBU is not adding any trouble, if they use FYR term is because they must do it.

Anyway, back to the entry, it sucks!

Oh well... I've never agreed with them using that degrading "name" of the country...

But yeah... back to the entry...

If "Imperija" is better then just change it back and let the political debaters hate whatever they want... they'll hate anyways so no use in changing an entry to please them because they'll never be pleased

 

[Mimi]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

Can we please talk about music?

 

[A-lister]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

Can we please talk about music?

Would gladly do so, but when politics have been involved and the reason behind changing the entry in the first place then it's hard not to mention that

 

[dizzydjc]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

Mess.

 

[Mimi]

... If "Imperija" is better then just change it back and let the political debaters hate whatever they want... they'll hate anyways so no use in changing an entry to please them because they'll never be pleased

I agree with you.

 

[Mrm]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

@ A-lister

I also dislike Macedonian current government very much, they are doing harms to Macedonia with such offensive politics towards Greece..also ruinin Skopje national and history heritage with that "Skopje 2014" project..

On the other hand I truly dislike some Greek reactions towards Macedonia..

 

[VedatiNet]

Re: FYR MACEDONIA 2013 - Vlatko Lozanoski & Esma Redžepova - Pred da se razdeni

Esma is singing in macedonian or not? Something like merging to songs in one. Vlatko sings something different than cuting that song and starting with Esmas one. Not impressed bu this one either but its still better than Imperija for me.