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It is getting low views and engagement everywhere...
Hum, I am starting to feel that this might fail. Voters are not that dumb, you know...
I don't think ESC fans criticize anything other than "Cha Cha Cha" but the timing. Immediately after Käärijää there was an explosion of crazy songs and the same can be said after Chanel all the divas sing little and dance furiously. If Finland had sent a song like "No Rules" in a few years it would have been received more kindly. Above all, let's not forget that there was better in UMK. Ok don't you want to bet on Cyan Kicks because you've been betting a lot on Rock lately? Give Sara Siipola a chance. For me it was a guaranteed top 10.I don't understand why we started treating Cha Cha Cha like the first novelty act in the history of Eurovision Contest. The comparison of this year's novelty acts with Cha Cha Cha is so odd to me as if Windows95man needs to copy Käärijä and this is the only way. Remember when we've had Dancing Lasha Tumbai, Wolves of the Sea, the Social Network Song, Euro Neuro, Divine, Flying The Flag, No Projeduce, and many others that I can't name at this instant? Now we suddenly declare Cha Cha Cha to be the nemesis of them all?
I’ve seen no one say Cha Cha Cha is the first novelty song in Eurovision - it is the most recent and most successful one of recent times, hence why it is seen as the new benchmark.I don't understand why we started treating Cha Cha Cha like the first novelty act in the history of Eurovision Contest. The comparison of this year's novelty acts with Cha Cha Cha is so odd to me as if Windows95man needs to copy Käärijä and this is the only way. Remember when we've had Dancing Lasha Tumbai, Wolves of the Sea, the Social Network Song, Euro Neuro, Divine, Flying The Flag, No Projeduce, and many others that I can't name at this instant? Now we suddenly declare Cha Cha Cha to be the nemesis of them all?
I don't know why we should have expected this year to not have any novelty acts since we have them basically every year. It was going to happen whether it is Finland or another country, and it happened.I don't think ESC fans criticize anything other than "Cha Cha Cha" but the timing. Immediately after Käärijää there was an explosion of crazy songs and the same can be said after Chanel all the divas sing little and dance furiously. If Finland had sent a song like "No Rules" in a few years it would have been received more kindly. Above all, let's not forget that there was better in UMK. Ok don't you want to bet on Cyan Kicks because you've been betting a lot on Rock lately? Give Sara Siipola a chance. For me it was a guaranteed top 10.
The crazy acts are fine, like the dance acts, but the 2024 edition saw an abuse of genres mixed in Pop sauce and not only that, of the choreographies considered successful in past years. These two queens of 2024 are accompanied by the Rock influences of "Zitti e Buoni", the political ones of "Stefania" and those of the commercial success of "Snap" which has cleared Folk a little. Not to forget the Eurodance/Techno genre which is flourishing thanks to the Austrian efforts of recent years and the success of Finland 2023. We are always moving within the same borders. Even our dear Nemo is not original... from the hat in the Rap part of the music video that recalls a member of the Kalush Orchestra, to the vocal warbling mixed with the Gregorian chorus that recalls "Who the Hell is Edgar?". I see a bit of a desire in the ESC competitors to follow a trend that works rather than bring their own music. I'm just saying that there are many unexplored musical genres. Then an unknown Bulgarian singer arrives who brings Acid Jazz to success and everyone will crazily start imitating him... A more probable example? Let's say that this year Angelina or Slimane will win. We would have an explosion next year of Ballad (dead this year) or Latin style songs. It's sad... Finland, given the success of "Cha Cha Cha", could change (especially because "No Rules" is terrible). I repeat, it's okay not to choose Cyan Kicks because recently there has been space for The Rasmus and Blind Channel but Sara Siipola was an excellent choice. The strength of a nation at the ESC lies not only in choosing an excellent song but in understanding in good time which turns the contest will take. The Italian jury in fact "massacred" Mahmood and "Tuta Gold" (a song capable of entering the Billabord charts) making him finish sixth and out of the Grand Final to avoid letting a catchy song win that would have clashed with many crazy sounds this year (and we're talking about Carioca Funk with Trap mixes and Arabic sounds - it was also original). This is my thought. Then, I respect your way of thinking and I don't want to force you to think like me.I don't know why we should have expected this year to not have any novelty acts since we have them basically every year. It was going to happen whether it is Finland or another country, and it happened.
Look, I find the staging a cringefest and not funny at all, but saying that someone should expose parts of their bodies only if they look "nice" is bodyshaming at its finest. Don't take this as an attack, just something you might think it's worth reconsidering.Beyond the horror staging which lowers the level of the ESC (a song and joke staging can be constructed better) and the not excellent vocalism of Henri Piispanen, only one question comes to mind "What is the meaning of show up in Windows95man's underwear?". Seeing all that crotch and that milky white ass... is creepy! I'm not a fan of ass but if you want to show it do it if it's nice! If you have the body of Spanish dancers ok but otherwise save our eyes from a river of muriatic acid...
In fact I was harsh. Ask for forgiveness if anyone was offended by my words. But it is an objective fact that W95Man in flesh-colored underwear is not a pretty sight. It's also counterproductive because children will be watching the show and it's not fun. I am one of those who has always thought that irreverence is not an extreme act but a genius act with a profound meaning inside. If a man in his underwear expresses an act of rebellion towards, I don't know, the overwhelming appearance of the suit that hides our true essence, it's brilliant. For the rest, no. It's just wanting to make a fuss. However, when we are at the seaside and we see a handsome man in a bathing suit and an unfit one in the same bathing suit, where will the eye stay for the longest time? Isn't attraction itself a subtle form of bodyshaming? What I think is that there is no pre-established beauty but different ways of making it shine. Justice does not lie in killing differences but in education and acceptance.Look, I find the staging a cringefest and not funny at all, but saying that someone should expose parts of their bodies only if they look "nice" is bodyshaming at its finest. Don't take this as an attack, just something you might think it's worth reconsidering.
I agree with some things you said, with some not so much, but I get the thought behind it. I'll leave to this.In fact I was harsh. Ask for forgiveness if anyone was offended by my words. But it is an objective fact that W95Man in flesh-colored underwear is not a pretty sight. It's also counterproductive because children will be watching the show and it's not fun. I am one of those who has always thought that irreverence is not an extreme act but a genius act with a profound meaning inside. If a man in his underwear expresses an act of rebellion towards, I don't know, the overwhelming appearance of the suit that hides our true essence, it's brilliant. For the rest, no. It's just wanting to make a fuss. However, when we are at the seaside and we see a handsome man in a bathing suit and an unfit one in the same bathing suit, where will the eye stay for the longest time? Isn't attraction itself a subtle form of bodyshaming? What I think is that there is no pre-established beauty but different ways of making it shine. Justice does not lie in killing differences but in education and acceptance.
Thank you, but Finland has to qualifyI agree with some things you said, with some not so much, but I get the thought behind it. I'll leave to this.
That being said, I hope it stays in the semi, let's make room for