EUROVISION 2021 - General Discussion Thread

[escYOUnited]

Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[harey]

Barbara Pravi was interviewed on French TV: she is really happy about her song touching people who even don't speak French. About Måneskin she says that they won fair and square and even if they took drugs she doesn't care about it.

VIDEO Barbara Pravi réagit à la polémique visant le gagnant de l'Eurovision, soupçonné d'avoir pris de la drogue en plein direct - Voici

Ce dimanche 23 mai, Barbara Pravi s'est exprimée au sujet de la polémique visant Maneskin, le groupe de rock italien gagnant de l'Eurovision. La jeune femme a donné un avis bien tranché à Laurent D...

www.voici.fr

 

[jatojo]

I think the language theme is a bit overhyped. Sure, there were non-English songs that did great, but if you take away the big languages, there is not much left: Four songs in the Grand Final, and all of them are from Eastern Europe.

 

[Miloutchi]

I think the language theme is a bit overhyped. Sure, there were non-English songs that did great, but if you take away the big languages, there is not much left: Four songs in the Grand Final, and all of them are from Eastern Europe.

+ we shouldn’t pretend like French and Italian aren’t one of the most beloved and common languages in Europe and Eurovision. Everybody acts as if it’s so innovative and refreshing that French and Italian songs do well, but every year we have French and Italian songs lol. Come on people.

 

[crashworld]

Spotify Viral Top 50 Global Chart (21-May):

4. Ukraine
9. Cyprus
10. Azerbaijan
11. Switzerland
13. Malta
19. Lithuania
22. Russia
24. Finland
42. Israel
46. France
49. Iceland

Spotify Viral Top 50 Global Chart (22-May):

4. Ukraine
6. Switzerland
9. Finland
11. Azerbaijan
12. Cyprus
13. Malta
14. France
15. Portugal
16. Lithuania
19. Russia
27. Iceland
32. Italy
33. Israel
34. United Kingdom
47. Croatia

 

[Amethyst]

Spotify Viral Top 50 Global Chart (24-May):

4. Ukraine
6. Switzerland
9. Finland
11. Azerbaijan
12. Cyprus
13. Malta
14. France
15. Portugal
16. Lithuania
19. Russia
27. Iceland
32. Italy
33. Israel
34. United Kingdom
47. Croatia

Where can I find these data? On spotifychart.com they are stuck on 22th may

 

[crashworld]

Where can I find these data? On spotifychart.com they are stuck on 22th may

But what you are seeing is the same as what I have. I assume the data I got from Spotify is as of 24-May though.
Then I better change my date.

 

[heke1988]

This year's ESC songs, which are right now top 50 spotify list:

1. Dark Side 152 510 (naturally first place)
3. Zitti e buoni 44 442
15. El Diablo 27 094
18. Tout l'univers 26 863
20. 10 Years 26 577
28. Voices 22 279
30. Shum 21 510
33. Voilá 20 814
38. Mata Hari 19 853
41. Je me casse 19 271
46. Fallen Angel 18 576

 

[Leydan]

 

[harey]

Okay so the French delegation and artist stated that they didn't want an Italian dq even if it was true but now Italians on twitter are asking to punish France.

https://twitter.com/BrothyJay/status/1396863333928771589?s=19

 

[GermanBango]

Here are all the finalists ranked by their average televoting rank to get a better look at how good/bad countries really did:

1 (3,1)
2 (4,3)
3 (4,7)
4 (5,7)
5 (6,8)
6 (7,3)
7 (7,9)
8 (9,4)
9 (10,9)
10 (11,3)

11 (11,5)
12 (12,7)
13 (13,5)
14 (13,8)
15 (14)
16 (14,7)
17 (15,2)
18 (16,7)
19 (17,1)
20 (17,3)
21 (17,9)
22 (18,3)
23 (19,4)
24 (22,9)
25 (23,2)
26 (23,4)

I lowkey wish that this was the actual result haha.

 

[AlekS]

Here's an awesome compilation of ESC techies preparing the stage for every performance:

 

[harey]

Thank you for that! It's the job of one of my friend (for concerts/festivals, not tv) and she's amazed by how fast it's done on esc!

 

[spinachpie]

So a combination of being bored, as well as piquing my interest, made me do this

I think the female bops took points off each-other. To see if this was true (and to see how each country performed by more than just the Top 10 televoters), I looked at the top 17 positions of each country's televoting and awarded points, 20, 18, 16, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

This will show how there were more voters for these songs, but they lost out against each-other ultimately.

For a comparison, I am using ‘Rock’ as Italy and Finland – ONLY to show a comparison. I know they are not the same version of ‘rock’.



For the purposes of this, I count one of the 'female bops' as Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Malta, San Marino, Greece, Serbia and Moldova.



In my revised scored based on Top 17 televoting:

‘Female bops’ scored a total of 1,331 points between them.

‘Rock’ scored 1,098 points between them.

The ‘Female bops’ received 233 more points than ‘Rock’.


In the actual televoting results:

‘Female bops’ scored a total of 380 points between them.

'Rock' scored 536 points between them.


‘Rock’ got 156 more televoting points than ‘Bops’.


To me this shows that the split of voting between the ‘bops’ ultimately hurt them from higher placings. But did NOT affect the eventual winner.


This was just out of interest, as mentioned

 

[AlekS]

Here's an awesome compilation of ESC techies preparing the stage for every performance:

Forgot the most lulzy one:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1396414846632136704

 

[Anthony Tesla]

So a combination of being bored, as well as piquing my interest, made me do this

I think the female bops took points off each-other. To see if this was true (and to see how each country performed by more than just the Top 10 televoters), I looked at the top 17 positions of each country's televoting and awarded points, 20, 18, 16, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

This will show how there were more voters for these songs, but they lost out against each-other ultimately.

For a comparison, I am using ‘Rock’ as Italy and Finland – ONLY to show a comparison. I know they are not the same version of ‘rock’.



For the purposes of this, I count one of the 'female bops' as Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Malta, San Marino, Greece, Serbia and Moldova.



In my revised scored based on Top 17 televoting:

‘Female bops’ scored a total of 1,331 points between them.

‘Rock’ scored 1,098 points between them.

The ‘Female bops’ received 233 more points than ‘Rock’.


In the actual televoting results:

‘Bops by ladies’ scored a total of 380 points between them.

'Rock' scored 536 points between them.


‘Rock’ got 156 more televoting points than ‘Bops’.


To me this shows that the split of voting between the ‘bops’ ultimately hurt them from higher placings. But did NOT affect the eventual winner.


This was just out of interest, as mentioned

In the end, the "cancel each other" theory is sort of true-ish, but we were focusing on the wrong genre.

 

[jatojo]

The five countries that gave Italy the least number of points: Israel (7), Ireland (6), Denmark (5), UK (3), Netherlands (2). (All participating countries gave points to Italy.)

The five countries that gave Italy the biggest number of points: Ukraine (24!), Bulgaria (22), Croatia (22), San Marino (22), and Slovenia (22).

Måneskin didn't get much out of the band's Danish name and having a half-Danish member of the band. However, all five points from Denmark came from the televoters, so you could say that this was the way it should be: The viewers possibly voting a bit patriotically, while the jury doesn't take such things into account.

 

[harey]

I really like top 10 this year (and even more top 8 televote) : all my top 5 is in it, what a strange feeling, am I suddenly getting mainstream taste after years of seeing songs I like having bad results?!?!

 

[Synergise]

Here are all the finalists ranked by their average televoting rank to get a better look at how good/bad countries really did:

1 (3,1)
2 (4,3)
3 (4,7)
4 (5,7)
5 (6,8)
6 (7,3)
7 (7,9)
8 (9,4)
9 (10,9)
10 (11,3)

11 (11,5)
12 (12,7)
13 (13,5)
14 (13,8)
15 (14)
16 (14,7)
17 (15,2)
18 (16,7)
19 (17,1)
20 (17,3)
21 (17,9)
22 (18,3)
23 (19,4)
24 (22,9)
25 (23,2)
26 (23,4)

I lowkey wish that this was the actual result haha.

Poor Germany. Basically the same average as Moldova - Moldova gets 62 points and 12th place in the televote, Jendrik gets 0 points and joint last.

 

[crashworld]

Spotify Viral Top 50 Global Chart (22-May):

4. Ukraine
6. Switzerland
9. Finland
11. Azerbaijan
12. Cyprus
13. Malta
14. France
15. Portugal
16. Lithuania
19. Russia
27. Iceland
32. Italy
33. Israel
34. United Kingdom
47. Croatia

Spotify Top 200 Global Chart (23-May):
9. Italy
44. France
62. Finland
69. Ukraine
73. Switzerland
87. Iceland
110. Cyprus
125. Malta
132. Lithuania
153. Sweden
156. Azerbaijan

Spotify Viral Top 50 Global Chart (23-May):
2. Ukraine
5. Finland
6. Switzerland
7. France
9. Italy
10. Azerbaijan
11. Cyprus
12. Malta
13. Lithuania
17. Portugal
18. Germany
19. Russia
22. Iceland
23. United Kingdom
29. Israel
34. Norway
40. Greece
45. San Marino
47. Croatia
49. Bulgaria

 

[Iker]

The five countries that gave Italy the least number of points: Israel (7), Ireland (6), Denmark (5), UK (3), Netherlands (2). (All participating countries gave points to Italy.)

The five countries that gave Italy the biggest number of points: Ukraine (24!), Bulgaria (22), Croatia (22), San Marino (22), and Slovenia (22).

Måneskin didn't get much out of the band's Danish name and having a half-Danish member of the band. However, all five points from Denmark came from the televoters, so you could say that this was the way it should be: The viewers possibly voting a bit patriotically, while the jury doesn't take such things into account.

I don't think the viewers voted patriotically in . I rather think they just like the song enough.