As of now, Jamala only won with 2 points more than Dami

[MyHeartIsYours]

According to the rules, a combined winner is the actual winner...so she is the ESC winner, no matter what the haters say.

Ahh but we know Jamala doesn't care for the rules, does she? Her very song breaks them, so why should I care for them? I recognise the true winners of 2016 as being Russia and Australia.

 

[cegs5]

Ahh but we know Jamala doesn't care for the rules, does she? Her very song breaks them, so why should I care for them? I recognise the true winners of 2016 as being Russia and Australia.

Good for you. Enjoy your bubble.

 

[ParadiseES]

The diaspora voting tilted the balance. This is easily the most controversial contest in several years.

Substract the diaspora voting that just voted for their homeland or neighbouring countries and Dami Im would have won.


SUPPOSE several other countries revealed several similar things. And that it turned Dami actually scored more than Jamala.
Would it be appropriate to not give Dami the award she deserves?

Seriously, stop looking for silly excuses and assume Ukraine won. All the time you save in childish moans or searching for conspiracies will probably be useful in your life. Dami Im didn't win because it happened that most people enjoyed other acts more. Accept it. Period.

 

[CaspianMortis]

Seriously, stop looking for silly excuses and assume Ukraine won. All the time you save in childish moans or searching for conspiracies will probably be useful in your life. Dami Im didn't win because it happened that most people enjoyed other acts more. Accept it. Period.

Never!

I still blame the diaspora voting, PERIOD. There is no way I will be dissuaded from this, because I know this is partly to blame.

most people enjoyed other acts more

LIES! My entire family (excluding me) thought Jamala's song was horrible.

 

[ParadiseES]

Never!

I still blame the diaspora voting, PERIOD. There is no way I will be dissuaded from this, because I know this is partly to blame.

LIES! My entire family (excluding me) thought Jamala's song was horrible.

Well, it also happens that, since you are not any Tsar of Europe, the opinion of the whole Europe (and Australia) means more than what your family thinks.

 

[Lonter]

Ahh but we know Jamala doesn't care for the rules, does she? Her very song breaks them, so why should I care for them? I recognise the true winners of 2016 as being Russia and Australia.

Well done MyHeartIsYours, now you only need to pass throught the anger, bargaining and depression stages before saying something actually sensible!

 

[RainyWoods]

Ahh but we know Jamala doesn't care for the rules, does she? Her very song breaks them, so why should I care for them? I recognise the true winners of 2016 as being Russia and Australia.

The EBU decided that this song doesn't break the rules. You even left a post in the Ukrainian topic when this song was given the go ahead saying that you respect their decision. Now Jamala's won fair and square she's a rule breaker and not the true winner of Eurovision, despite getting the highest point total and very strong support from both the public + jury? Perhaps Russia and Australia are the winners in your heart, but there's only one place we're going to next year.

 

[lavieenrose]

According to the rules, a combined winner is the actual winner...so she is the ESC winner, no matter what the haters say.

Yeah, that. It's akin to showing up to a tennis match and saying "OH BUT I WON THE MOST GAMES SO I ACTUALLY WON." Everyone knew going in that the objective was to receive the most total points from televote and jury; did that.

 

[GermanBango]

I'm gonna say the same thing I said one year ago:
All of the countries knew about the voting system beforehand - With their participation they accepted all of this years rules! There is no need for discussion - Jamala won fair and square ... It's not important how much points she would have had under any other voting system. This is 2016.

It's actually quite laughable... Let's imagine Sergey would have been in Jamala's situation (Meaning Russia would have been second with both the televoters and the juries and still the winner in the end) ... I bet all the Russia fanboys wouldn't even give a shit. Some people act as if Jamala came 10th with the televoters or something - Let me remind you that only 38 points separated them ... that's almost nothing. Just get over it and move on.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

The EBU decided that this song doesn't break the rules. You even left a post in the Ukrainian topic when this song was given the go ahead saying that you respect their decision. Now Jamala's won fair and square she's a rule breaker and not the true winner of Eurovision, despite getting the highest point total and very strong support from both the public + jury? Perhaps Russia and Australia are the winners in your heart, but there's only one place we're going to next year.

I said Ukraine should still do the right thing and replace it with a second choice (I would have been in support of Ukraine 100% then - this is no problem with Ukraine, just Jamala and that song), but I reluctantly accepted 1944 on the basis that it wouldn't be hijacked by an anti-Russian political vote. The generosity shown by the Russians in not fighting (or even commenting) before the contest has been betrayed.

As I've always said, I genuinely believe Russia doesn't want politics in the contest - unfortunately, they've been forced into a corner by these results.

 

[lavieenrose]

Never!

I still blame the diaspora voting, PERIOD. There is no way I will be dissuaded from this, because I know this is partly to blame.

LIES! My entire family (excluding me) thought Jamala's song was horrible.

It's really admirable that you stand true to your convictions no matter how much evidence appears to the contrary

 

[Alaska49]

yes, jamala definitely won because of an ukrainian diaspora. people only voted for jamala because they are ukrainian or anti-russian. after all, it's not like there is an even bigger russian diaspora in the world, or that there are people who are on russia's side politically. every single russian televote was entirely because people liked sergey and his song, obviously. poor victimised russia. always bullied by other countries when they do nothing to deserve it.

 

[CaspianMortis]

yes, jamala definitely won because of an ukrainian diaspora. people only voted for jamala because they are ukrainian or anti-russian. after all, it's not like there is an even bigger russian diaspora in the world, or that there are people who are on russia's side politically. every single russian televote was entirely because people liked sergey and his song, obviously. poor victimised russia. always bullied by other countries when they do nothing to deserve it.

SOME people voted for their songs because they liked them OBVIOUSLY not all. Russia ALWAYS qualifies, even when they sent a horrible song (remember 2011?). Ukraine ALWAYS qualifies. They would still qualify if they sent the worst song ever.

You have to be really ignorant to believe that ALL those televotes were genuine votes and not partly "ancestral homeland/neighbours of the homeland".
Russia's song was boring and generic and there was nothing nice about it. It got enormous media attention, and that combined with the diaspora votes tilted the balance.

 

[Alaska49]

you can't know HOW MUCH of the vote was diaspora and you only think it's a lot because YOU didn't like the songs and you can't wrap your head around the idea of people disagreeing with you.

people liked sergey and jamala more than dami. deal with it and stop being an annoying troll please.

 

[CaspianMortis]

people liked sergey and jamala more than dami. deal with it and stop being an annoying troll please.

Who are you calling a troll, troll?

 

[Chorizo]

Ahh but we know Jamala doesn't care for the rules, does she? Her very song breaks them, so why should I care for them? I recognise the true winners of 2016 as being Russia and Australia.

If her song broke the rules, she couldn't have won the contest with it.
You just see what you want to see.

 

[Chorizo]

I said Ukraine should still do the right thing and replace it with a second choice (I would have been in support of Ukraine 100% then - this is no problem with Ukraine, just Jamala and that song), but I reluctantly accepted 1944 on the basis that it wouldn't be hijacked by an anti-Russian political vote. The generosity shown by the Russians in not fighting (or even commenting) before the contest has been betrayed.

As I've always said, I genuinely believe Russia doesn't want politics in the contest - unfortunately, they've been forced into a corner by these results.

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[ZoboCamel]

Russia ALWAYS qualifies, even when they sent a horrible song (remember 2011?). Ukraine ALWAYS qualifies. They would still qualify if they sent the worst song ever.

This sounds like the same 'Greece always qualifies, they'll qualify no matter what they send' dreck that we've been hearing for years until it was proven wrong just a few days ago. Sure, Ukraine and Russia would have received some cultural/political/etc. votes in the grand final - just as they would both have received some anti-votes from juries, or had people not voting for them due to politics when they otherwise would have voted. Taken as a whole, it pretty much evens out. Ukraine got votes because they sent an amazing vocalist with a heartfelt, well-performed and emotional song that stood out; Russia got votes because they sent the most competent upbeat package of the year with an impressive stage act. Please, admit that your taste isn't some kind of universal constant, and accept that people may have, shock and horror, voted for the songs because they liked them.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

The song shouldn't have been accepted to take part to begin with. To deny it's a political song is nothing but foolish. I even watched an interview with her on tv (I can even link it if anyone questions it) in which she talks about the song being about Stalin, Crimea and a connection to Putin.

The thing is, Australia should've won. I can guarantee you Jamala got more than 2 points for just being the political figure she is.

 

[Lupus]

So let's get this straight: One person cocked up their jury results (which, as far as I can tell, has not led to any change to the official EBU-endorsed results, although I may have missed something there) and another has decided that San Marino's televotes were "fake points" and these "changes" have led to... the same winner!

The title could be read (and apologies if it's not the intention) as implying that we're only waiting for the next """"scandal""" to come along and reveal that, ooo, I dunno, that all the televotes in Poland were all fake and bought by a Ukrainian-backed mafia billionaire and therefore Jamala didn't win and therefore it's the just the EBU's hatred of Russia causing the nasty evil Ukraine to win and our lovely European cousins in Australia should have won instead etc etc etc

Look, Jamala was not first with either televote or jury. Wow. Does this matter? Answer: NO. If you don't agree that the winner is the song with the highest combined jury/televote total, that's fine, feel free to object to the system and propose getting rid of one or the other or reducing the power of one of them. Unfortunately, this is what every single country entering this year agreed to, so Ukraine won. End of story. Feel free to blame anti-Russian voting or diaspora voting if you want, but good luck finding any evidence of it apart from suspicion. Maybe also take a look at the very high points Russia and Ukraine exchanged in the televoting!

As for the song, well last time I checked it was allowed by the EBU. Yes, it is obviously about events perpetrated by the USSR and I can see how this comes close to bending that rule somewhat, but where were the checks against France last year with a song about German soldiers destroying French villages?! Unless the translation I saw was wrong, there were no references to the Crimea, to Stalin, to the USSR or 'owt in 1944, just as there are no references to France, Germany and the World Wars in N'Oubliez Pas. We know what they're about, but the song does not directly reference them. Apologies if I missed something here, but I see the two as being similar cases and cannot see how you can object to 1944 but not to N'Oubliez Pas. I support them both and think that they are both fine at ESC.