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A-lister

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I will do my ranking next week and while I also believe 2012 most likely was stronger it's not a fair comparison as to me it was one of the strongest years since I've been watching it so i can't be too upset. Plus 2013 is already way better than 2011....

Considering how weak 2011 was that's not an accomplishment :lol:

But yeah, I agree 2012 is one of the strongest years really...

I'll also add my ranking next week or so after all entries are ready.
 

Adeline

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I will also post my list next week.

I have to disagree in that I do not think that 2013 is extremely weak. The thing is that 2013 has many decent songs, but not many songs that stand out and also not many songs that are just plain bad. Many songs have quality, but are either quite safe or they sound/look like each other. There is especially an overkill of dance/club songs and ballads sung by female singers this year. Neither one of them is very bad, but it's hard to say which one is clearly the best since everything looks like each other.
I do not think this year lacks quality, but it lacks diversity and therefore it comes across as a bit boring. That is why I liked last year's edition so much: not only because of the high quality, but is was more interesting in that you had some ballads, some ethnic songs, some dance songs, some rock songs, etc. This year is just too much of the same.
 

Anastasia15

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:al: 2013
:az: tie
:by: 2013
:be: 2013
:bg: tie
:hr: 2013
:cy: 2012
:ee: 2012
:dk: 2013
:fi: 2012
:fr: 2013
:ge: 2012 (Unpopular opinion I guess, but at least last year Georgia was less boring)
:de: 2012
:gr: 2013
:hu: 2013
:is: 2012
:ie: 2012
:il: 2012
:it: I don't like any of the songs that are being considered for Marco Mengoni better than last years entry, so I already say 2012
:lv: tie
:lt: 2013
:mk: 2012
:mt: 2013
:md: 2012
:me: tie
:nl: 2013
:no: 2013
:ro: 2012
:ru: 2012
:sm: 2012 (same as with Georgia and Russia... Joke entries just belong to the ESC for me and I miss them this year, so while Georgia, Russia, and San Marino probably have "better" entries this year, they're also more forgettable to me)
:rs: 2012
:sl: 2012
:es: tie
:se: 2012
:ch: 2013
:ua: tie
:uk: tie

2012: 17
2013: 13
ties: 7

I like 2012 better than 2013, just because it had more variety, like Adeline said, and diversity is what makes me like a certain ESC-year.
 

GermanBango

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:al: 2012
:at: 2013
:az: 2012
:by: 2013
:be: 2012
:bg: 2013
:hr: 2012
:cy: 2012
:ee: 2013
:dk: 2013
:fi: 2012
:fr: 2012
:ge: 2013
:de: 2013
:gr: 2013
:hu: 2013
:is: 2012
:ie: 2013
:il: 2013
:it: -
:lv: 2012
:lt: 2013
:mk: 2013
:mt: 2012
:md: 2013
:me: 2013
:nl: 2013
:no: 2013
:ro: 2012
:ru: 2013
:sm: 2013
:rs: 2013
:sl: 2012
:es: 2012
:se: 2012
:ch: 2013
:ua: 2013
:uk: 2013

2012: 14
2013: 23


;)
 

Schlagerman1

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:al: 2012
:at: 2013
:az: 2012
:by: 2012
:be: 2013
:bg: 2012
:hr: 2013
:cy: 2012
:dk: 2013
:fi: 2012
:fr: 2013
:ge: 2012
:de: 2013
:gr: 2013
:hu: 2013
:is: 2012
:ie: 2012
:il: 2013
:it: -
:lv: 2012
:lt: 2013
:mk: 2012
:mt: 2013
:md: 2013
:me: 2013
:nl: 2013
:no: 2013
:ro: 2012
:ru: 2012
:sm: 2012
:rs: 2012
:sl: 2012
:es: 2012
:se: 2012
:ch: 2013
:ua: 2012
:uk: 2012

2012: 19
2013: 17

So 2012 was better, even if it was tight! :)
 

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:al: 2012
:at: 2012
:az: 2012
:by: 2013
:be: 2013
:bg: 2013
:hr: 2012
:cy: 2012
:dk: 2013
:ee: tie
:fi: 2012
:fr: 2012
:ge: 2013
:de: 2012
:gr: 2013
:hu: 2012
:is: tie (actually 2012 I like more, but the 2013 entry at least stay in Icelandic)
:ie: 2012
:il: 2012
:it: -
:lv: tie
:lt: 2012
:mk: 2013
:mt: 2013
:md: 2012
:me: 2013
:nl: 2013
:no: 2013
:ro: 2012
:ru: 2012
:sm: 2013 !!!
:rs: 2012
:sl: 2013
:es: 2012
:se: 2012
:ch: tie
:ua: 2012
:uk: 2013

2012: 23
2013: 18

2013 ESC is kind of disappointing
 

TIRE

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:al: 2012
:at: 2012
:az: 2012
:by: 2013
:be: 2013
:bg: 2013
:hr: 2013
:cy: 2012
:dk: 2013
:ee: 2012
:fi: 2012
:fr: 2012
:ge: 2012
:de: 2012
:gr: 2013
:hu: 2012
:is: 2012
:ie: 2013
:il: 2013
:it: -
:lv: 2013
:lt: 2012
:mk: 2012
:mt: 2013
:md: 2012
:me: 2013
:nl: 2013
:no: 2013
:ro: 2012
:ru: 2012
:sm: 2013
:rs: 2012
:sl: 2012
:es: 2012
:se: 2012
:ch: 2013
:ua: 2013
:uk: 2012

2012: 21
2013:16

I thought 2013 was much worse but it seems to be not so bad after all.
 

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:al: none
:at: 2013
:az: 2012
:by: 2012
:be: 2012
:bg: 2012
:hr: 2012
:cy: 2012
:dk: 2013
:ee: 2012
:fi: 2012
:fr: 2013
:ge: 2013
:de: 2013
:gr: 2012
:hu: 2012
:is: 2012
:ie: 2013
:il: 2013
:it: -
:lv: 2012
:lt: 2013
:mk: 2012
:mt: 2013
:md: 2013
:me: none
:nl: 2012
:no: 2013
:ro: 2012
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2013
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2012
:rs: 2012
:sl: 2012
:es: 2012
:se: 2013
:ch: 2013
:ua: 2013
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2012

2012: 20
2013: 15
 

QwaarJet

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:al: 2012
:at: 2012
:az: 2012
:by: 2013
:be: 2013
:bg: 2013
:hr: 2013
:cy: 2013
:ee: 2012
:dk: 2013
:fi: 2012
:fr: 2013
:ge: 2012
:de: 2012
:gr: 2012
:hu: 2012
:is: 2012
:ie: 2012
:il: 2013
:it: -
:lv: 2012
:lt: 2012
:mk: 2012
:mt: 2013
:md: 2013
:me: 2012
:nl: 2013
:no: 2013
:ro: 2012
:ru: 2012
:sm: 2013
:rs: 2012
:sl: 2012
:es: 2012
:se: 2012
:ch: 2012
:ua: 2013
:uk: 2012

2012: 23
2013: 14

As I thought. A terrible year this time.
 

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In my list it's a tie:
19:19
 

Mannone

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:al: - 2012
:at: - 2013
:az: - 2012
:by: - 2013
:be: - 2012
:bg: - 2012
:hr: - 2013
:cy: - Tie (Both great.)
:ee: - 2013
:dk: - 2013
:fi: - 2013
:fr: - 2013
:ge: - Tie (None worth listening.)
:de: - 2013
:gr: - 2012
:hu: - 2012
:is: - Tie (Both great.)
:ie: - 2013
:il: - 2013
:it: - tie (Pretty sure Marco wont beat Nina.) (EDIT: He actually tied it! Both are great!)
:lv: - Tie (Both horrible.)
:lt: - 2013
:mk: - 2012
:mt: - 2012
:md: - 2012
:me: - Tie (Both horrible.)
:nl: - Tie (None really interesting.)
:no: - 2013
:ro: - 2012
:ru: - 2013
:sm: - 2013
:rs: - Tie (Both oily.)
:sl: - 2012
:es: - 2013
:se: - Tie (Never fond of Euphoria.)
:ch: - 2012
:ua: - Tie (Both appealing.)
:uk: - Tie (Both dull.)

2012: 12
2013: 15
Tie: 11

I guess 2013 is a slightly better year in my opinion. It's very tight though. I wouldn't claim statistical significance...
 

theCONWEL

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:al: - 2013
:at: - 2012
:az: - 2012
:by: - 2013 (2012 was awwwwwful)
:be: - 2012
:bg: - 2012
:hr: - 2012
:cy: - 2012
:ee: - 2013
:dk: - 2013
:fi: - 2012
:fr: - 2013
:ge: - 2012 (I'm weird, I know...)
:de: - 2013
:gr: - 2012
:hu: - 2012 (both are pretty bad!)
:is: - 2012
:ie: - 2013
:il: - 2013
:it: - 2013
:lv: - 2013
:lt: - tie (both just terrible)
:mk: - 2012
:mt: - 2013
:md: - 2012
:me: - 2013
:nl: - 2013
:no: - 2013
:ro: - 2012 (love both though)
:ru: - 2013
:sm: - 2013
:rs: - 2013
:sl: - 2012
:es: - 2012
:se: - tie (love both!)
:ch: - 2013
:ua: - tie (same as sweden, 2 amazing voices!)
:uk: - 2013

Tie: 3
2012: 17
2013: 19

so 2013 is my winner :)
 

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:al: 2013
:at: 2013
:az: 2012
:by: 2013
:be: 2013
:bg: 2012
:hr: 2013
:cy: 2012
:dk: 2013
:ee: 2013 (but honestly both are terrible)
:fi: 2013
:fr: 2012
:ge: 2012 (yes)
:de: 2013
:gr: 2012
:hu: 2012
:is: 2012 (both are terrible, tho)
:ie: 2012
:il: 2012
:it: 2012 (since all the songs in contention won't be anywhere near top 10 on my list)
:lv: 2012
:lt: 2013
:mk: 2012 (2013 if they kept Imperija instead)
:mt: 2012
:md: 2012
:me: 2013
:nl: 2013
:no: 2012
:ro: 2013
:ru: 2012
:sm: 2013
:rs: 2013
:sl: 2013
:es: 2013
:se: 2012
:ch: 2013
:ua: 2012
:uk: 2013

2012: 19
2013: 19

It's even
 

Luki

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:al: - 2012
:at: - 2012
:az: - 2012
:by: - 2013
:be: - 2012 (both awful)
:bg: - 2012
:hr: - 2012 (both meh/ok)
:cy: - 2012
:ee: - 2012
:dk: - 2013
:fi: - 2012 (both awesome)
:fr: - 2013
:ge: - 2012 (2013 is so bad imo)
:de: - 2013
:gr: - 2013 (2012 was awful)
:hu: - 2013
:is: - 2013
:ie: - 2012
:il: - 2012
:it: - ????
:lv: - 2012
:lt: - 2013
:mk: - 2012
:mt: - 2012
:md: - 2012
:me: - 2013 (both awesome)
:nl: - 2013
:no: - 2013
:ro: - 2012
:ru: - 2012
:sm: - 2012 (both awesome)
:rs: - 2012
:sl: - 2013
:es: - 2012
:se: - 2012
:ch: - 2013
:ua: - 2012 (both awful)
:uk: - 2013

2012 - 25
2013 - 14

2012 is unbeaten imo
 

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:al: - 2012
:at: - 2013
:az: - 2012
:by: - 2013
:be: - 2012
:bg: - 2013
:hr: - 2013
:cy: - 2012
:ee: - 2012
:dk: - 2013
:fi: - 2013
:fr: - 2013
:ge: - 2012
:de: - 2012
:gr: - 2012
:hu: - 2012
:is: - 2013
:ie: - 2012
:il: - 2012
:it: - ????
:lv: - 2012
:lt: - 2013
:mk: - 2012
:mt: - 2013
:md: - 2012
:me: - 2012
:nl: - 2013
:no: - 2013
:ro: - 2012
:ru: - 2012
:sm: - 2012
:rs: - 2012
:sl: - 2013
:es: - 2012
:se: - 2012
:ch: - 2013
:ua: - 2013
:uk: - 2013

2012 - 21
2013 - 16
 

Matt

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Ok, My turn, last year 2012 beat 2011 for me and I expect 2012 to win again, it was just a very strong year. But let's find out cause I don't even know myself yet.

:al: - 2012
:at: - 2012
:az: - 2012
:by: - 2013
:be: - 2013
:bg: - 2012
:hr: - 2013
:cy: - 2013
:ee: - 2012 (both are great though)
:dk: - 2013 (both are equally bad but I had to pick one)
:fi: - 2013
:fr: - 2012
:ge: - 2013
:de: - 2013
:gr: - 2013
:hu: - 2012
:is: - 2013
:ie: - 2013
:il: - 2012
:it: - 2012
:lv: - 2012
:lt: - 2013
:mk: - 2012
:mt: - 2013
:md: - 2012
:me: - 2013 (both of them are bleh)
:nl: - 2012 (two amazing songs in a row, this was difficult)
:no: - 2013
:ro: - 2012
:ru: - 2012
:sm: - 2013
:rs: - 2012
:sl: - 2012
:es: - 2012
:se: - 2012
:ch: - 2013
:ua: - 2013
:uk: - 2013
2012 - 19
2013 - 20


WOW, I didn't expect that. 2013 actually beat 2012? Not by much but still.... That is strange, I expected a clear victory for 2012
 

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:al: 2013
:at: 2012
:az: 2013
:by: 2012
:be: 2012
:bg: 2012
:hr: 2013 (both are great)
:cy: 2012
:ee: 2012
:dk: 2013
:fi: 2013
:fr: 2012
:ge: 2013
:de: 2012
:gr: 2012
:hu: 2012
:is: 2012
:ie: 2012
:il: 2013
:it: 2013 xheart
:lv: 2012
:mk: 2012
:mt: 2012
:md: 2013
:me: 2013
:nl: 2013
:no: 2012
:ro: 2012
:ru: 2013
:sm: 2013
:rs: 2013
:sl: 2012
:es: 2012
:se: 2013
:ch: 2013 both are great
:ua: 2013
:uk: 2013

2012-19
2013-18 woops,I didn't expect that:lol:
 

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:al: - 2012
:at: - 2013
:az: - 2012
:by: - 2013
:be: - 2012 (but both equally average for me)
:bg: - 2012 (none really, but if I have to choose)
:hr: - 2012
:cy: - 2013
:ee: - 2012 (both are great though)
:dk: - 2012 (tough choice...but Soluna's song fit my taste better)
:fi: - 2012
:fr: - 2013
:ge: - 2012
:de: - 2012
:gr: - 2013
:hu: - 2012 (tough choice, I'll stick with Sound of our Hearts)
:is: - 2013 (tough again, if 2012 was Islandic I think I'd choose it, but Eg a lif has more charm)
:ie: - 2012 (I thougth Ireland can't get any worse than Jedward: I was wrong)
:il: - 2013 (I like both... vote for Moran)
:it: - 2012
:lv: - 2012
:lt: - 2013 (all the way)
:mk: - 2012 (no doubts, even against Imperija)
:mt: - 2013
:md: - 2012 (like both)
:me: - 2012 (I can't stand Igranka, Rambo was fun)
:nl: - 2013 (I liked Joan a lot, but Birds are just amazing)
:no: - 2013 (easy since I like IFML a lot and dislike Stay)
:ro: - 2012
:ru: - 2012
:sm: - 2013
:rs: - 2012
:sl: - 2012
:es: - 2013 (oh dear, why do I have to choose? I'll go with ESDM because it's more Spanish)
:se: - 2012
:ch: - 2012
:ua: - 2013
:uk: - 2013

Clearly 2012 for me... ;)
 

Tristran

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I have no idea how this one will turn out. I think I will have less songs that I absolutely adore this year, but also fewer songs I absolutely hate. Oh, and I should compare it to 2011 as well some day, think that year might actually win it for me.

:al: 2013 (close, both awful)
:at: 2012 (another close one, don't like either of them)
:az: 2013
:by: 2013
:be: 2013
:bg: 2012
:hr: 2013
:cy: 2012
:dk: 2013 (close, love them both)
:ee: 2012 (couldn't be further apart, 2012 was fantastic, this year not so much)
:fi: 2013
:fr: 2013
:mk: 2012
:ge: 2013
:de: 2012
:gr: 2013
:hu: 2012
:is: 2012
:ie: 2013
:il: 2013
:it: 2013
:lv: 2012
:lt: 2012
:mt: 2012
:md: 2012
:me: 2013
:nl: 2013
:no: 2013
:ro: 2012
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2013
:sm: 2013
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2012
:sl: 2012
:es: 2012
:se: 2012
:ch: 2013 (another close one, like them both)
:ua: 2013
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2013

2012: 17
2013: 21

Hm, well, I guess I'm fine with this year's selection of songs then. ;)
 

PeterLPZ

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:al: 2012
:at: 2013
:az: 2013
:by: 2012
:be: 2012
:bg: 2012
:hr: 2013
:cy: 2013
:dk: 2013
:ee: 2012
:fi: 2013
:fr: 2013
:mk: 2012
:ge: 2013
:de: 2013
:gr: 2013
:hu: 2012
:is: 2012
:ie: 2012
:il: 2013
:it: 2012
:lv: 2012
:lt: 2013
:mt: 2012
:md: 2012
:me: 2013
:nl: 2013
:no: 2012
:ro: 2012
:ru: 2013
:sm: 2013
:rs: 2012
:sl: 2012
:es: 2012
:se: 2012
:ch: 2012
:ua: 2013
:uk: 2013

2012: 19
2013: 18

It´s near equal :D
 
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