Eurovision 2020 Online - The Rules

[Eurovision]

The Eurovision 2020 Online Dates


Semi-Final 1: Wednesday, 8 April 2020
Semi-Final 2: Friday, 10 April 2020
Final: Saturday, 25 April 2020


The voting in the Semi-Finals:
from 23 March to 5 April (2 weeks)
The voting for in the Final:
from 11 April to 19 April (9 days)​

In order to keep the Eurovision spirit alive and well, we intend to hold a full vote of our community here on the forum and enjoy what could have happened in May.

The Rules​

The Jury


APPLY HERE TO BE A JUROR

1. Every country's jury has 5 members. Anyone can join a jury before it is complete.

2. As a member of jury you can only take part from the country you are from. If your country has reached the 5 members max, you can still take part but you will be allocated to one of the countries listed in rule 3 (below).

3. If you are from a country outside of the participants of 2020 (USA, Brazil, Indonesia, Turkey etc) then you can take part from countries with very few or no members, these include:

• Iceland
• Belarus
• Norway
• Czech Republic
• Georgia
• Malta
• Latvia
• Israel

4. During the voting you rank each song in the semi from 1 to 16 (if you vote in the 1st Semi-final), from 1 to 17 (if you vote in the 2nd Semi-final) not including your own country or from 1 to 17-18 (if you vote as jury of Big5 or The Netherlands), and then from 1 to 25 in the final (if your country participates) or 1 to 26 if it does not participate in the final. You must send your votes to your head of Jury.


Head of Jury

1. Each country will have 1 Head of Jury who you will send your votes to.

2. As Head of Jury, you are responsible for combing all of the ranks to create 1 set of 12, 10, 8-1 votes from the jury and then sending these votes to the main host by the specified deadline. Only be a HoJ if you’re a fully active member of the forum with time. We don’t want to be chasing the HoJ up to send votes.

3. After all 5 members cast their votes to the HOJ, the average place of each country will be counted, the highest ranked country gets 12 points and so on by Eurovision system. These points as well as the spreadsheet showing the juries full breakdown must be sent to the Eurovision account.

4. All details of your juries voting must be kept private to your jury until after the final results, or you will be disqualified. However, jurors can share how they voted with other members of their own jury. For example if you’re in the British Jury, you can show the other members of the British jury, but not the German Jury.

The Televoting

1. Every forum member can vote in the televoting of any Semifinal and/or Final.

2. As a televoter you will have 20 'SMS' votes to allocate as you wish among the songs. You cannot vote for the country you are from. You must send your 'SMS' votes to the host account Eurovision

3. All the televoting 'SMS' will be counted all together and translated (by percentage) to equal to juries number of points.


It is important to note that we intend to have a jury vote from every country. While we are hopeful we can achieve this, it does mean that should we fail to receive a jury vote from any country, we will create an aggregated jury vote for them based on the jury votes of their pot members (or the other PQ countries in the case of the big 5 + host). In the same style the EBU would in Eurovision with a disqualified jury.


Note that we can't predict for now how many people participate, so we can extend some rules according to situation

 

[ESC94]

So it´s possible to cast juryvotes and teelvotes in BOTH semis and the final??

 

[crashworld]

So it´s possible to cast juryvotes and teelvotes in BOTH semis and the final??

I don't think so. You can be a jury and televoter but you can only cast jury votes in the semi your representative country is in and the finals. But you can cast televotes in all semis and final.

 

[ESC94]

I don't think so. You can be a jury and televoter but you can only cast jury votes in the semi your representative country is in and the finals. But you can cast televotes in all semis and final.

Ah ok, thanks for you help.

 

[Zeus]

I hope that people in that case will at least try to be more critical and objective than they would be with their televotes. So, for example: here you have an uptempo dancesong, not really anything special and simple arrangement and lyrics. It is okay if you would give it a lot of televotes because you just love it for it's catchyness, singing and dancing along and so on, but it would be a little bit doubtful if you give it a lot of points as jury as well. Why are you a jury than? I don't want to be judgemental here, I just hope people will be able to make some sort of objective and critical judgements in their roles as a juror.

As a juror, I would be happy to give songs I might find a bit boring, but emotional, original and vocally strong a lot of points. While as a televoter I might ignore it. If there is no difference in your voting as juror or televoter, than there is no point of being a juror as well anymore, besides more influence.

 

[midnightsun]

I hope that people in that case will at least try to be more critical and objective than they would be with their televotes. So, for example: here you have an uptempo dancesong, not really anything special and simple arrangement and lyrics. It is okay if you would give it a lot of televotes because you just love it for it's catchyness, singing and dancing along and so on, but it would be a little bit doubtful if you give it a lot of points as jury as well. Why are you a jury than? I don't want to be judgemental here, I just hope people will be able to make some sort of objective and critical judgements in their roles as a juror.

As a juror, I would be happy to give songs I might find a bit boring, but emotional, original and vocally strong a lot of points. While as a televoter I might ignore it. If there is no difference in your voting as juror or televoter, than there is no point of being a juror as well anymore, besides more influence.

I applied for jury because I know I am able to be objective. My jury votes will be different from my telephone votes. Not all of course because there will be a larger intersection but at least 2-3 songs will be different. I acknowledge quality but of course I‘m gonna set my own standards of what quality means (for me).

 

[Trece]

Thats why we decided allow everyone to be both jury and televote, because these 2 might be very different and people can try a role of both. For example when you rank all songs from 1 to last, it means you still give some points to songs that you might not like or even hate, but when it comes to televoting, you can bomb all your 20 sms to one hot fave you have

 

[FilipFromSweden]

I have so much time on my hands now that I don't have a job and uni closed, and I hosted WorldVision once, so hit me up if you need any help!

 

[DaFlo]

This is gonna be really fun, if it's a success we should do it every year in the time between NFs and Eurovision.

 

[Trece]

This is gonna be really fun, if it's a success we should do it every year in the time between NFs and Eurovision.

Why you didnt apply yet

 

[lavieenrose]

This is gonna be really fun, if it's a success we should do it every year in the time between NFs and Eurovision.

I distinctly remember this happening in 2015 at least and possibly other years I might be forgetting, but I think in this time it takes on an extra significance

 

[Leydan]

I hope that people in that case will at least try to be more critical and objective than they would be with their televotes. So, for example: here you have an uptempo dancesong, not really anything special and simple arrangement and lyrics. It is okay if you would give it a lot of televotes because you just love it for it's catchyness, singing and dancing along and so on, but it would be a little bit doubtful if you give it a lot of points as jury as well. Why are you a jury than? I don't want to be judgemental here, I just hope people will be able to make some sort of objective and critical judgements in their roles as a juror.

As a juror, I would be happy to give songs I might find a bit boring, but emotional, original and vocally strong a lot of points. While as a televoter I might ignore it. If there is no difference in your voting as juror or televoter, than there is no point of being a juror as well anymore, besides more influence.

One could argue an uptempo track is worth the jury support based on the quality of the production, vocals and more. I don't necessarily think being boring and emotional necessarily means it worth more of a jury support or any better. I understand what you say that people should be more objective, but I don't necessarily believe in your conclusion. People should vote how best they see fit, and for sure plenty of people will vote for these 'boring' songs in the televote.

 

[Leydan]

Why you didnt apply yet

why didn't you?

 

[Zeus]

One could argue an uptempo track is worth the jury support based on the quality of the production, vocals and more. I don't necessarily think being boring and emotional necessarily means it worth more of a jury support or any better. I understand what you say that people should be more objective, but I don't necessarily believe in your conclusion. People should vote how best they see fit, and for sure plenty of people will vote for these 'boring' songs in the televote.

Yeah, it was just an example. Altough I do believe that a lot of mainstream/typical Eurovision-fans sometimes miss out on the fact that sometimes a song can indeed be catchy and fun, while production-wise it can be really simple and uninspiring, vocals are shaky and so on. Let's be real: a lot of the times such entries score really high in the televotes. And I don't want to be picky or a snob (maybe I am a little bit, but I try not too!), I just wanted to create some more awareness for people who are now participating as jurors that such a role asks for a little bit change in point of view and how to look at the songs. You can have your televotes to go crazy on your fun songs, as a juror I just hope people can be more critical and objective.

Something different: it might be an idea to ask jurors to judge based on live performances which are selected by the organisation. Otherwise it is nearly impossible to judge on vocal quality. Not every entry has an live performance available on YT ofcourse, but it would be a miss in my opinion if that would mean that jurors cannot judge on any available live vocals.

 

[Nemo89]

Yeah, it was just an example. Altough I do believe that a lot of mainstream/typical Eurovision-fans sometimes miss out on the fact that sometimes a song can indeed be catchy and fun, while production-wise it can be really simple and uninspiring, vocals are shaky and so on. Let's be real: a lot of the times such entries score really high in the televotes. And I don't want to be picky or a snob (maybe I am a little bit, but I try not too!), I just wanted to create some more awareness for people who are now participating as jurors that such a role asks for a little bit change in point of view and how to look at the songs. You can have your televotes to go crazy on your fun songs, as a juror I just hope people can be more critical and objective.

Something different: it might be an idea to ask jurors to judge based on live performances which are selected by the organisation. Otherwise it is nearly impossible to judge on vocal quality. Not every entry has an live performance available on YT ofcourse, but it would be a miss in my opinion if that would mean that jurors cannot judge on any available live vocals.

You are opening a wonderful reflection. I bow to your considerations

However this is a Eurofan forum and a fan, apart from a few, will never be able to be objective but will always reason with the heart. I have seen some Eurofans give a low rating to a song and never change their judgment, without trying to understand the song, to separate the melody and the singing from the meaning and to compare different songs impartially.

In this ESCYounited Song Contest the preferences of eurofan will be respected and only a few will invest in the role of true juror. Furthermore, the songs that have more users from a certain country will have greater power: if 100 Danes and 10 Portuguese vote, can we say that the European will has been respected?

Anyway, I thank the staff for their commitment to make the Eurofans overcome sadness and for this fun.

 

[Petar]

I'm so hyped about this. Thank you, ESC United, for curing my PED.

 

[midnightsun]

Furthermore, the songs that have more users from a certain country will have greater power: if 100 Danes and 10 Portuguese vote, can we say that the European will has been respected?

So how would that matter (as long as people can’t vote for their own country)?

 

[CPV4931]

Really looking forward to this game, great idea :-)

 

[midnightsun]

Eurovision-fans sometimes miss out on the fact that [...] production-wise it can be really simple and uninspiring, vocals are shaky and so on.

The same could be said about ballads or any kind of song or vice versa.

I believe the two largest groups of ESC fans are the ones who are a sucker for catchy mainstream or contemporary songs and the ones team „classic“ (ballad, sophisticated songs). I think both parties are represented by enough jury-members here so no song is disadvantaged and quality songs will get their recognition.

 

[CaraMia]

This is an excelent idea!

I just have a question about the televote. It says that "Every forum member can vote in the televoting of any Semifinal and/or Final.". So, for example, if you are from a country participating in semifinal 1 you can also vote in semifinal 2?

 

[Leydan]

This is an excelent idea!

I just have a question about the televote. It says that "Every forum member can vote in the televoting of any Semifinal and/or Final.". So, for example, if you are from a country participating in semifinal 1 you can also vote in semifinal 2?

Your jury can only vote in their specific semi, but you can televote in both semis. They're being counted separately.