Portugal PORTUGAL 2017 - Salvador Sobral - Amar pelos dois

[Sammy]

Re: PORTUGAL 2017

wiwibloggs reports that David Carreira seems to be one of the favorites to wave the Portuguese flag in Kyiv. I didn't know him before, but from the first few listenings, he seems to be a really good option. I only hope, he'd stick to portuguese in case.

here's the link to the article
http://wiwibloggs.com/2016/10/12/da...es-represent-portugal-eurovision-2017/153099/

 

[Edward]

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Please...no.

 

[CaraMia]

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Well, he is a favourite of the fans but that doesn't mean anything. I don't think I have ever seen him show interest in ESC (although he is connected to RTP, since he is one of the judges of The Voice of Portugal).

 

[Sammy]

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Well, he is a favourite of the fans but that doesn't mean anything. I don't think I have ever seen him show interest in ESC (although he is connected to RTP, since he is one of the judges of The Voice of Portugal).

Yes, that sounds familiar. Probably the case of many fan favorites who eventually never join in the ESC

 

[Romeo]

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let's just face it... Portugal did not 'use the 12 months' as they promised to determine their strategy.. they will hold the usual shit nf and have a bad song in esc

i hope i am wrong.. i would love them to send a belter, but i dont see it

 

[Alaska49]

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random question sort of but why do the portuguese fans, more than any other eurovision fanbase in europe, have such a shame/aversion of their own pop culture? they hated suzy for being pimba and wanted the unbearably boring catarina pereira to win (and then europe loved suzy AS THEY SHOULD), they basically died at the idea of kátia aveiro doing it when nobody else in europe would know or care about her subcelebrity shenanigans, they are lukewarm at best about this david guy when he sounds just like all the other good looking european male singers who get so much support from their country's eurofans... this kind of attitude is probably one of the reasons why portugal flops all the time tbh.

 

[lavieenrose]

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random question sort of but why do the portuguese fans, more than any other eurovision fanbase in europe, have such a shame/aversion of their own pop culture? they hated suzy for being pimba and wanted the unbearably boring catarina pereira to win (and then europe loved suzy AS THEY SHOULD), they basically died at the idea of kátia aveiro doing it when nobody else in europe would know or care about her subcelebrity shenanigans, they are lukewarm at best about this david guy when he sounds just like all the other good looking european male singers who get so much support from their country's eurofans... this kind of attitude is probably one of the reasons why portugal flops all the time tbh.

You have a definite point, though disclaimer: I hate this David guy. I'm reminded of the strangely low-energy NF freakout when Portugal rejected Yola Dinis in 2015. It was different from every other NF freakout in the sad rather than angry "oh well...guess we'll flop again " attitude of it. Leonor didn't perform in the end, I think therefore rather than by coincidence, like someone who had the support of a full country behind her. There has to be some kind of middle ground between "why do we even bother participating" and "ERES UN CABRON BAREI IS THE BEST WHERE IS BAREI BAREI BAREI."

 

[Lupus]

Re: PORTUGAL 2017

There has to be some kind of middle ground between "why do we even bother participating" and "ERES UN CABRON BAREI IS THE BEST WHERE IS BAREI BAREI BAREI."

Preach!! I think that UK falls into the Portugal camp too (I've definitely been guilty of thinking along such lines) as being far too negative and moaning about our entry. But if we can calm Spanish passions somehow, that would be great...

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

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let's just face it... Portugal did not 'use the 12 months' as they promised to determine their strategy.. they will hold the usual shit nf and have a bad song in esc

i hope i am wrong.. i would love them to send a belter, but i dont see it

+11111111, Portugal is quite a sure non-qualifier at the moment

 

[lavieenrose]

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+11111111, Portugal is quite a sure non-qualifier at the moment

Keeping this for the records

 

[Alaska49]

Re: PORTUGAL 2017

There has to be some kind of middle ground between "why do we even bother participating" and "ERES UN CABRON BAREI IS THE BEST WHERE IS BAREI BAREI BAREI."

pretty much. the domestic fans should know they have some influence over the expectations of their country's delegations and act as realistic as possible because it CAN adversely affect the decisions made by the delegation.

though i must say it's hilarious that both ends of the fan expectations spectrum come from neighbour countries

 

[DanielLuis]

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I don't think Portuguese fans think "why do we bother participating", not at all. That's more the public perception of the contest, not the fan's perspective. I mean, did you just see that guy that won ESC Portugal's contest of who should represent us in the Eurovision? He is one of the most well known singers in Portugal right now.
The reason why Portuguese fans didn't like the 2014 entry being a pimba song is because that song style is actually hated by almost everyone under 50 in Portugal, not just Eurovision fans. And I don't think there was any sort of outrage what so ever beacause Yola Dinis wasn't selected, where did you guys see that? The fact is that the 2015 NF song quality was absolutely abysmal and it's generally agreed that the best song there won, even though it was quite a bland entry.

 

[Edward]

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About David and his "good looks"...that is all there is to him, eye of the beholder opinion aside. This kid is talentless as they come. Everyone in Portugal knows why he even has a career around here - and that is because he is solely one of the sons of the most popular artist to people without music culture and over 50 around here (daddy wouldn't have a career either if it wasn't for his whiney lyrics). The same happened to his older brother Mickael, only has a career because he is the son of x. I haven't heard of Mickael as an artist in long, I think that his younger brother is clearly more popular than him now. And why so, reasons stated above aside? Because he has connections, did that Portuguese version of the Enrique Iglesias annoying hit and that's about it. I heard even his sister is going to have a career too and I remember her a few years ago singing in some Christmas gala and the only reason why I remember it is because it was so cringe worthy.

So the reason why David would be a bad option...is the same reason why person x and y climb ahead in the social ladder and get other people's jobs because they either have connections or looks. I think he would only do this for getting more international exposure and try to be some sort of "saviour of the nation" just because he is a well known name around here.

Then again I don't think this is going to happen.

And the reason as to why we are so negative is because most of the times it is justified. We have a poor music scene, not much variety or quality at all so our ESC bad performances come as a natural consequence of that.

Suzy was not really beloved outside of Portugal...what I reckon is that she actually has a decent personality. And she got along with the party girls back in 2014 along with Conchita and Ruth. But her song isn't really memorable. And as far as I am concerned I haven't heard of her since 2014. The only thing I was positively surprised about following her controversial selection was the fact that at least she did not shame us in the press conferences, her spoken English was quite okay.

We also don't have very good composers from a perspective of what ESC demands. I have said in the past that I support the unpopular opinion of outsorcing. It has worked with nations like Azerbaijan, etc.

I think it will be another unremarkable year for us, it is sad to talk this way many months before schedule but I think it is an opinion shared by the majority of ESC fans around here. We watch it more for other nations....not really expecting great things from our performers.

 

[Alaska49]

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my point is that portuguese fans sometimes aren't just "we suck this year oh well!", they are "WE SUCK EUROPE WE BEG YOU TO HUMILIATE US AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE", which is basically what they did to suzy. and she was 7th in the televote which for current portugal standards is the same as being carried in a gilded chariot by the citizens of europe as the newly elected queen of the continent, so i'd say she was loved!

as a counterpoint, eduard romanyuta doesn't really fit the traditional meaning of "talented", isn't even moldovan and just veruca salt'd his way to the eurovision golden ticket, complete with accusations of vote rigging and even then you didn't see moldova burning him at the stake begging europe to not give them points. can you imagine if someone pulled this shit in portugal? the eurofans there would have cut the country out of the damn continent bugs bunny-style to force themselves to not compete. that's not the message you want to send to your delegation.

this david guy isn't really very special at all and his songs are very generic, but sometimes people like generic and maybe a rich boy like him can go after better composers by himself, be they domestic or international - kinda like alexey vorobyov bringing redone in (and sucking because it was 2011, The Year Of Suck, but still). but even that isn't necessary because any country has talent if they just look for it. if iceland, that has a population of approximately 4 fishing villages and a polar bear, has a rich and deep musical scene, portugal has no excuses. people just aren't looking for it - neither rtp nor the fans. y'all just conformed to the idea that "our music sucks" and that is super sad.

 

[lavieenrose]

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my point is that portuguese fans sometimes aren't just "we suck this year oh well!", they are "WE SUCK EUROPE WE BEG YOU TO HUMILIATE US AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE", which is basically what they did to suzy. and she was 7th in the televote which for current portugal standards is the same as being carried in a gilded chariot by the citizens of europe as the newly elected queen of the continent, so i'd say she was loved!

as a counterpoint, eduard romanyuta doesn't really fit the traditional meaning of "talented", isn't even moldovan and just veruca salt'd his way to the eurovision golden ticket, complete with accusations of vote rigging and even then you didn't see moldova burning him at the stake begging europe to not give them points. can you imagine if someone pulled this shit in portugal? the eurofans there would have cut the country out of the damn continent bugs bunny-style to force themselves to not compete. that's not the message you want to send to your delegation.

this david guy isn't really very special at all and his songs are very generic, but sometimes people like generic and maybe a rich boy like him can go after better composers by himself, be they domestic or international - kinda like alexey vorobyov bringing redone in (and sucking because it was 2011, The Year Of Suck, but still). but even that isn't necessary because any country has talent if they just look for it. if iceland, that has a population of approximately 4 fishing villages and a polar bear, has a rich and deep musical scene, portugal has no excuses. people just aren't looking for it - neither rtp nor the fans. y'all just conformed to the idea that "our music sucks" and that is super sad.

Wow, just...wow. There's really not much I or anyone can add to this scaldingly brilliant post, except can confirm that Portugal has a rich and deep musical scene - beautiful folk music, some of the greatest middle-aged divas (and you know how I love my middle-aged divas), some great pop, there're a ton of different directions to take and one for everyone.

It'd also help if things like "Portugal's bad at Eurovision so I don't trust Portuguese people" weren't said, but that's a matter for another day.

 

[Krishoes]

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I know it is trash, but QUERO SER TUA remains one of my favourite ESC songs EVER. So joyful and cheerful. Portugal, I love you as a nation, but you have sent rubbish so many times that Suzy´s song was a masterpiece compared to them

 

[Alaska49]

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i actually like most portuguese entries, specially outside their dry spell between 1998 and 2005, but quero ser tua is just so blissful and perfect

 

[Mrm]

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[MENTION=9563]Odalis[/MENTION]

I see you spying!!

Where are you Odalis, haven't seen you for a while..

 

[PamSwynford]

Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Selected songwrittes for FDC2017:
Luísa Sobral
Márcia
Rita Redshoes
David Santos (Noiserv)
Celina da Piedade
Samuel Úria
Nuno Gonçalves (The Gift)
Pedro Silva Martins (Deolinda)
Tóli César Machado (GNR)
João Pedro Coimbra (Mesa)
Nuno Figueiredo (Virgem Suta)
Pedro Saraiva (Sir Aiva/D.R. Sax)
Nuno Feist
Jorge Fernando
João Só
Héber Marques

http://media.rtp.pt/festivaldacancao/artigos/festivaldacancao-2017-lista-de-compositores/

 

[DanielLuis]

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The list of songwriters is very good! Many current well-known artists are in that list. They will have to choose the singer they want to sing their song, and that singer can be themselves if they wish.

For the first time ever RTP is allowing songs in English and other languages!
Also, 50% televoting, 50% regional voting is back, but this time only with 7 regions instead of the 18 districts like before.

There will be two semi-finals: Sunday, February 19th and Sunday, February 26th, while the final will be on Sunday, March 5th. Sunday nights are the most important nights for ratings on the Portuguese TV, so this really shows that RTP wants the NF to be promoted and have good ratings this year. 8 acts will participate in each semi-final, with the top 4 from each heat qualifying to the final.

RTP has also said they want to have a lot of different genres represented in the NF, and that is visible in the songwriter's list.
So far, things are looking very good!