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DanielLuis

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

So...seems we're stuck between a Madeiran and an Azorean (rumors wise) ;) I'd go with Kátia Aveiro, if only for the lulz and the chatter it would provide, both within my country and around Europe/the world.

I think Nelly Furtado would easily cause 100x more chatter, on Portugal and on Europe. Almost nobody even knows who Kátia is for god's sake :lol:
 

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You can't deny that more people are aware of who Cristiano Ronaldo is than Nelly Furtado. Probably Kátia wouldn't go to ESC using that old "Ronalda" moniker but for sure she'd use the fact of being sister of who she is to her advantage. And obviously the media would pick on the story making references over and over again to the fact that "the sister of Cristiano is representing Portugal at ESC".

Also I believe it'd be less risky sending Kátia than Nelly. Nelly has had worldwide reputation for over a decade and if she flopped at ESC that would be a bad blow for her. I think it's too ambitious of a move. Sort of like "let's play our last and ultimate card" - this alone would generate detractors from the moment her selection would be announced. So for her own sake I'd rather not see her going to ESC. With Kátia there would be nothing to lose on the other hand ;)

The key thing in here is that a strong song is needed. Nelly, as a songwriter would come up with something more easily than whichever team of songwriters Kátia would hire (or Ronaldo himself for that matter).

I believe that ESC is to non-established artists. So from this point of view I'd much rather see Kátia's debutant attempt in front of a big audience than build result hopes solely based on Nelly Furtado's reputation alone.

What I really think will happen anyway - is that RTP will revamp FdC (minor changes, barely noticeable, ofc) and that some other anonymous artist will represent us in Ukraine without much success. RTP doesn't have the audacity to risk and change. They have not had it since the 50's and I very much doubt that it would be now that they would find their "guts" anyway.
 

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Slay me. xheat xbow
 

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

That was so turbo! xpray xheat
Let's send that to Kyev! xlove xheart
 

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Please Portugal! xpray


xlove xheart xlove xheart xlove xheart xlove xheart

This is the best NF song in years probably, this is MAGIC, that emotion in that voice, that performance, that attitude on the stage, that classy composition and wonderful music, all that is PRICELESS, I can't believe smth like this exists!! xfaint
 

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You can't deny that more people are aware of who Cristiano Ronaldo is than Nelly Furtado. Probably Kátia wouldn't go to ESC using that old "Ronalda" moniker but for sure she'd use the fact of being sister of who she is to her advantage. And obviously the media would pick on the story making references over and over again to the fact that "the sister of Cristiano is representing Portugal at ESC".

Also I believe it'd be less risky sending Kátia than Nelly. Nelly has had worldwide reputation for over a decade and if she flopped at ESC that would be a bad blow for her. I think it's too ambitious of a move. Sort of like "let's play our last and ultimate card" - this alone would generate detractors from the moment her selection would be announced. So for her own sake I'd rather not see her going to ESC. With Kátia there would be nothing to lose on the other hand ;)

The key thing in here is that a strong song is needed. Nelly, as a songwriter would come up with something more easily than whichever team of songwriters Kátia would hire (or Ronaldo himself for that matter).

I believe that ESC is to non-established artists. So from this point of view I'd much rather see Kátia's debutant attempt in front of a big audience than build result hopes solely based on Nelly Furtado's reputation alone.

What I really think will happen anyway - is that RTP will revamp FdC (minor changes, barely noticeable, ofc) and that some other anonymous artist will represent us in Ukraine without much success. RTP doesn't have the audacity to risk and change. They have not had it since the 50's and I very much doubt that it would be now that they would find their "guts" anyway.

Wait, sending a joke is not "risky" but sending Nelly Furtado that might give Portugal its best position ever is "risky"? I mean sure it's risky for her own sake, but surely not for Portugal in ESC.

The attitude that ESC is for "non-established artists" is why most western countries failed and needed juries' biased help to boost them...
 

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Please Portugal! xpray


xlove xheart xlove xheart xlove xheart xlove xheart

This is the best NF song in years probably, this is MAGIC, that emotion in that voice, that performance, that attitude on the stage, that classy composition and wonderful music, all that is PRICELESS, I can't believe smth like this exists!! xfaint

You can pray, Portugal can even hear your prayers, but the thing is: SHE doesn't want!
 

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Wait, sending a joke is not "risky" but sending Nelly Furtado that might give Portugal its best position ever is "risky"? I mean sure it's risky for her own sake, but surely not for Portugal in ESC.

The attitude that ESC is for "non-established artists" is why most western countries failed and needed juries' biased help to boost them...

Why do you assume Nelly Furtado would give Portugal its best position ever? Because she is an established artist? How many times did that fail in the past? Need I mention Kate Ryan, Anouk and alikes. But yes, that's I said back then - that it could be a risk for her. That's why I prefer less risk for a country used to poor results. And the surprise factor. Change the genre around but sending Kátia would create such an international buzz that I think would be both positive for the contest and my country. At least we would be talked about. At a larger scale than if we sent Nelly.
I'm not a fan of either and even less of Ronaldo himself. Like I said before I think that in the end RTP will do the same ol'. But in terms of expectations, surprise...Kátia would be the most interesting choice by far.

I sort of disagree with your last comment. Some established artists have been sent through the years by western countries. Maybe not the top of the charts at the time but still well known artists. You can't realistically expect established artists from Western European countries to take part in Eurovision. For two reasons. A) No personal interest/doesn't add up to their career and B) ESC can't give them back what they seek, both monetary and market-wise.
Yes, perhaps it would be interesting to see big names storming ESC suddenly but you have to be realistic...it's not happening.

The ESC niche itself it's such a complex world itself that established artists, for the most part, just won't risk trying to get into it. The connections are totally different.
 

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Why do you assume Nelly Furtado would give Portugal its best position ever? Because she is an established artist? How many times did that fail in the past? Need I mention Kate Ryan, Anouk and alikes. But yes, that's I said back then - that it could be a risk for her. That's why I prefer less risk for a country used to poor results. And the surprise factor. Change the genre around but sending Kátia would create such an international buzz that I think would be both positive for the contest and my country. At least we would be talked about. At a larger scale than if we sent Nelly.
I'm not a fan of either and even less of Ronaldo himself. Like I said before I think that in the end RTP will do the same ol'. But in terms of expectations, surprise...Kátia would be the most interesting choice by far.

I sort of disagree with your last comment. Some established artists have been sent through the years by western countries. Maybe not the top of the charts at the time but still well known artists. You can't realistically expect established artists from Western European countries to take part in Eurovision. For two reasons. A) No personal interest/doesn't add up to their career and B) ESC can't give them back what they seek, both monetary and market-wise.
Yes, perhaps it would be interesting to see big names storming ESC suddenly but you have to be realistic...it's not happening.

The ESC niche itself it's such a complex world itself that established artists, for the most part, just won't risk trying to get into it. The connections are totally different.

Anouk?? Portugal wishes we could get a high quality entry and a result such as the one Anouk got!

And I really don't get your point that Katia would create more of a buzz - she is barely known even inside Portugal and she won't create a buzz just because she's Ronaldo's sister. After all, her previous music career consists of flop after flop after flop. If anything it would be a little headline making fun of her and taking it as a joke, that's the buzz she would create. Nelly on the other hand is actually known for her music worldwide.

Anyway, I don't think either will represent Portugal next year.
 

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Why do you assume Nelly Furtado would give Portugal its best position ever? Because she is an established artist? How many times did that fail in the past? Need I mention Kate Ryan, Anouk and alikes. But yes, that's I said back then - that it could be a risk for her. That's why I prefer less risk for a country used to poor results. And the surprise factor. Change the genre around but sending Kátia would create such an international buzz that I think would be both positive for the contest and my country. At least we would be talked about. At a larger scale than if we sent Nelly.
I'm not a fan of either and even less of Ronaldo himself. Like I said before I think that in the end RTP will do the same ol'. But in terms of expectations, surprise...Kátia would be the most interesting choice by far.

I sort of disagree with your last comment. Some established artists have been sent through the years by western countries. Maybe not the top of the charts at the time but still well known artists. You can't realistically expect established artists from Western European countries to take part in Eurovision. For two reasons. A) No personal interest/doesn't add up to their career and B) ESC can't give them back what they seek, both monetary and market-wise.
Yes, perhaps it would be interesting to see big names storming ESC suddenly but you have to be realistic...it's not happening.

The ESC niche itself it's such a complex world itself that established artists, for the most part, just won't risk trying to get into it. The connections are totally different.

Again how is sending Nelly Furtado a risk for Portugal? You just repeated that this might be a risk for her own career, but that's not the same thing though. Now I doubt she'll enter for that reason alone (but then again she has barely any career now anyways, let's see how her new project will do), but still, talking from a hypothetical scenario I don't see how it would harm Portugal's chances in ESC? xshrug

I wouldn't compare Nelly Furtado who is a qualified artist with Kate Ryan who made a career of doing Eurodance covers and some other has-beens, I mean really? xshrug Russia and Ukraine sent their biggest stars, when Western European countries sent "known names" it was really acts that didn't have proper careers for years or acts that no one really takes seriously like Kate Ryan and Cascada.

So again, you think Portugal would fair better with someone who happens to be famous just because she's the sister of a soccer star but other than that lack any qualities and come across more as a joke act than an established artist with a proven record? Sure sending an established name isn't going to guarantee success, but I don't see how sending the other would be considered to be a better guarantee? The juries would slaughter Kátia and then what?
 

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

So again, you think Portugal would fair better with someone who happens to be famous just because she's the sister of a soccer star but other than that lack any qualities and come across more as a joke act than an established artist with a proven record? Sure sending an established name isn't going to guarantee success, but I don't see how sending the other would be considered to be a better guarantee? The juries would slaughter Kátia and then what?


The thing is, Kátia isn't even that famous at all in Portugal. If you go on the streets and ask who Kátia Aveiro is, not many people would know the answer.
 

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Regarding Anouk, as far as I remember The Netherlands and the bookies expected something better than 9th place. I wasn't even going to include her in names of "well established Western European" artists but then I was suddenly reminded of her success in the 90's. As for the quality of her entry that's completely debatable and comes down to personal taste.

I still disagree with Nelly Furtado creating more buzz than Ronaldo's sister. If Furtado was to represent us reactions would be like "oh, she's still around?" while for Kátia (and I am not defending her) I just know that people would be all gossiping about Ronaldo sister taking part at Eurovision. And as we know Eurovision sometimes lives a lot of...folklore. Furtado taking part in the contest could be seen a bit as a desperate attempt to stay relevant à la Bonnie Tyler (age differences and successful decades aside) while Kátia...well, I am not that big on social media but I know that Ronaldo is one of the most followed persons there around the globe. So I really believe that Kátia in the end would generate more talk than Nelly Furtado.

I never said sending Nelly Furtado would be risk to our country, only to her career.

Certainly, Nelly Furtado may have endured bigger success than Kate Ryan ever did but we need to focus on the markets here. Many European are proud of their own artists. So even if Kate Ryan was touring discos throughout Europe over a decade ago she was doing it on her own soil year after year. On the other hand Nelly would have an European leg of her tour upon the release of each album and that was it. Believe me that the feelings about her are mixed in Portugal. Some are proud that she made reference to her Portuguese heritage and birthplace during the height of her success. Still, she is clearly completely seen as more of a Canadian than Portuguese obviously. "Força", the official anthem for the Euro 2004 here in Portugal still makes many natives cringe. I clearly remember an interview she did for one of our main TV broadcasters then and watching her try to speak our language made me feel uncomfortable.
I don't have a problem with this however nor do I dislike her. Just mentioning so you can understand that sending Nelly Furtado would be like sending that distant cousin living in a very nice yet not European place. Sending Kátia would be sending one of our own.
And there is a feeling among some of us lifetime Eurovision fans of not being happy with the enlargement of the show to countries that are not European. As you probably know with the recent case of one time invitee (well, nevermind that now) Australia. And for this reason I believe that things could play a bit against her odds.

The juries probably would give little points to Kátia, certainly, but popular vote would be more uncertain.

Anyway, this is all very hypothetical talk and I believe the subject has dried out. As said before I doubt we'll be seeing either of them on stage in Kiev next year. Count on the usual FdC underwhelming election process.
 

DanielLuis

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Re: PORTUGAL 2017

Well, Nelly Furtado twitted today that the rumours were indeed just rumours, so that's the end of that :lol:
 
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