Italy ITALY 2025 - Lucio Corsi - Volevo essere un duro

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Not trying to whip up a controversy. I'm just telling the hard truth. Its not just 5 men in the Top 5 or Giorgia missing out on the super final. There was only one female soloist in the top 10 full stop.

Italy has a huge male bias problem when it comes to Sanremo. Not just one category of voting and this isn't just about this year or the past few. I get you are perfectly fine the trend continuing for the next 20 years but I'm not so I'm going to say something and show data to back it up.

Over the past decade only 8 solo women have placed top 5 at the festival compared to 38! solo men and then you have 4 groups (be it a band or trio)

For all the applause to Amadeus and I think he deserves plenty of it only 3 female soloists placed in the Top 5 in his five year stint from 2020-24 (2 in his final year). Angelina winning last year with Annalisa in 3rd and Elisa runner-up in 2022. That's it. 2 mixed in 2021 (Måneskin and Francesca + Fedez).

Conti had that same amount in his final two years from his first stint (2015-17) and this is where I will defend him. The people blaming this year's results just on Conti I think need to look at the deeper trend and picture.

Trash Italiano on Instagram: "La tabella che in queste ore sta facendo il giro del web e sta facendo discutere (soprattutto gli utenti degli altri Paesi). #Sanremo2025"

106K likes, 2,702 comments - trash_italiano on February 16, 2025: "La tabella che in queste ore sta facendo il giro del web e sta facendo discutere (soprattutto gli utenti degli altri Paesi). #Sanremo2025".

www.instagram.com

Again, what is your solution? With problems come solutions... Explain to us how to avoid people voting for who they actually want to vote.

PS:
In Eurovision:
- Malta since 2015 have 90% female solo acts in Eurovision
- Cyprus had 5 female acts out of 6 since 2018
- Greece had 8 female acts out of 10 since 2015
- Spain since 2011 had 9 female acts, 1 mixed (Amaia & Alfred) and a band with a female vocalist (ESDM).
- Salvador Sobral, Conan Osiris and Black Mamba were the only Portuguese male acts in the competition since 2003 (!!!)
- Since her debut, Albania had 16 female solo acts out of 22. Two of the remaining six acts are mainly performed by females (Duje and Zjerm)

Why are you so obsessed with Italy?
Are those trends not of your interest maybe? Can I ask you why? Because those stats show you an even WORSE reality than your supposed "mysoginy" of Sanremo selection, because some of those countries (Malta, Greece and Cyprus) usually INTERNALLY SELECT their Eurovision acts, without even a popular vote. Should we state those countries are misandric? By their internal, I repeat, INTERNAL choices, it will seem that's the case, following your point of view. But not following my point of view, because of course they can choose who the hell they want to represent them in Eurovision.

 

[sucof]

this afternoon all Olly's dates sold out in 3 hours, I think he won't participate in Eurovision. my personal opinion
Goooo Lucio

 

[Paco Roca]

I could feel it in the air, even during the award ceremony for the winner of the Sanremo festival, that Rai's choice for the ESC would be Lucio. I don't know what you think but I'm sensing some "Måneskin vibes". I'm not saying that Lucio will be able to achieve the same worldwide success but I think he will amaze and conquer everyone in Basel.

A question... After Topo Gigio maybe will he bring Pulcinella to Basel for a duet?

Come on Lucio! Confirm your presence immediately so that the group of the Team of the tough guys starts hug in the thread!

 

[BorisBubbles]

this afternoon all Olly's dates sold out in 3 hours, I think he won't participate in Eurovision. my personal opinion
Goooo Lucio

I've been listening to Volvere Essere Un Duro lately and I share this sentiment. Lucio has grown on me, and his song more potential to be fun or interesting than Balorda Nostalgia has.

TEAM ROBOT.

 

[JSSArcos]

The truth is that, from what I’ve read here and from my (limited) knowledge of Italian music, Lucio was a real surprise for everyone (and a discovery for many). He finished ahead of some big Italian names and gathered strong support from both the juries and the televote.

Lucio didn’t have a ready-made fan base to make him win (at least, that’s what I want to believe), or at least a much smaller one compared to others like Olly, Irama, and so on…

The truth is, he is still doing very well on Spotify streams, staying steady in 3rd place, which shows that he really won people over.

The scale is different, but couldn’t this be replicated in some way for Eurovision? At least considering the quality of the songs so far, this seems like a safe bet with the juries. On the other hand, we know that there is an audience for these old-school songs at Eurovision—it may be more hidden, but it exists. I think it could be a big unknown, but I wouldn’t rule out another surprise here.

What he really needs is to work better on his presentation—although there are already some very interesting elements (some references).

will have my full support in May

 

[elanyvx]

Giorgia wasn't voted enough by the televoters to make the top 5. She was First, FIRST, with the Press and First, FIRST, with the Radio, TV, web jury. Unfortunate, but you cannot witchhunt every Italian out there just to vote for who you want. They will always vote for who they want.

So, what do we do now? Should we make a rule in order to have a mandatory presence on the podium for at least a female artist even if their songs didn't convince the audiences? Should we make two separate Sanremo's one for men and one for women to preserve "equality on personal tastes"? Should we make an all women Sanremo in order for one of our female artists to win? Or should we just accept sometimes life doesn't go the way we planned? Yeah, it sucks. But that's how it is...

If televote decided five male artists deserved the first five places, well there is nothing anybody can do. Were they the most voted? Yes. So they deserved their ranking. The end.

It is not mandatory to have a woman in the top 5 but the truth is that in televoting women always start at a disadvantage.

Point 1: women get fewer votes, because there are many girls who vote for their male idol (Geolier, Olly, Blanco etc).
Point 2: women at home do not vote for women (and if they do it is very little)
Point 3: are women vocally inferior to men? NO
Point 4: are women artistically inferior to men? NO
Why was Giorgia only sixth in the televoting?

The positioning of the women in the televoting during the final on Saturday:
Giorgia 6th
Elodie 15th
Rose Villain 17th
Sarah Toscano 18th
Serena Brancale 20th
Noemi 21st
Francesca Michielin 23rd
Clara 25th
Joan Thiele 27th
Marcella Bella 28th
Gaia 29th

It's absurd that there is only 1 woman among the top 10 in the televoting, precisely because the women's songs were beautiful.

Why did Irama or Gabbani with totally basic songs (nothing new) for example finish 8th and 9th in the televoting? Did they do something more than Elodie or Rose Villain? Absolutely not, they have their audience that votes for them even if they sang badly. Because their two songs were "nothing special".

The other truth is that the televoting creates much more detachment compared to the press and radio vote. Since press and radio have to vote for everyone and it is obvious that the votes are mixed because everyone votes differently. Radio and press assign from 1 to 10 votes to each singer, out of over 1000 journalists there will never be a huge gap, because there will not be 1000 journalists who will give 1 as a vote to 28 singers and 10 to only one artist.

Calculating the percentages of televoting of the 11 women in the final on Saturday, the total is about 14.98%.

This percentage does not exceed the two first place winners on Saturday, Brunori Sas and Olly (17.44% and 16.26%). There is a problem and it exists.

 

[jatojo]

She won the TIM Award for Most Voted Artist on TIM media platforms alongside cover night of course for her duet of Skyfall with Annalisa.

Thank you!

 

[Yoozek]

How I feel reading this thread

It's absurd that there is only 1 woman among the top 10 in the televoting, precisely because the women's songs were beautiful.

Well people obviously didn't think the same way. They did last year though, that's why my bf could wear this tshirt in Malmo.

 

[JSSArcos]

I tried to find the audience figures by gender for Sanremo, but I couldn't find them. But I did find the participation on Twitter, for what it's worth: comments came from Italy (86%), followed by the United States, with 3.8% of the total (remember that if you don't have a specific location, the comments on Twitter appear from the United States), and in third place was Spain with 2% of the total comments. (354,390 comments during the gala, with 1,337,749 interactions)

(source:escplus)

If this represents televoting?, certainly not. But if it shows what some Italians here said, perhaps.

and honestly, everyone is free to vote, everyone can vote, there are no restrictions, that's democracy. What if we were to find a better method than that? OK, but what would it be? Forcing people to vote based on gender and not their personal taste?
I ranked 9 men in my top 10. What does this prove? That I liked the men's songs more than the women's in this edition. Maybe because some of the women were in a more a generic pop (Gaia, Clara, Rose Villain, Elodie, Sarah Toscano...) which is not really my cup of tea, although I liked 2 of those on the list.
Last year (I reviewed my ranking) I ranked 4 women in my top 5 and 7/10 in my top 10.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I tried to find the audience figures by gender for Sanremo, but I couldn't find them. But I did find the participation on Twitter, for what it's worth: comments came from Italy (86%), followed by the United States, with 3.8% of the total (remember that if you don't have a specific location, the comments on Twitter appear from the United States), and in third place was Spain with 2% of the total comments. (354,390 comments during the gala, with 1,337,749 interactions)

(source:escplus)

If this represents televoting?, certainly not. But if it shows what some Italians here said, perhaps.

and honestly, everyone is free to vote, everyone can vote, there are no restrictions, that's democracy. What if we were to find a better method than that? OK, but what would it be? Forcing people to vote based on gender and not their personal taste?
I ranked 9 men in my top 10. What does this prove? That I liked the men's songs more than the women's in this edition. Maybe because some of the women were in a more a generic pop (Gaia, Clara, Rose Villain, Elodie, Sarah Toscano...) which is not really my cup of tea, although I liked 2 of those on the list.
Last year (I reviewed my ranking) I ranked 4 women in my top 5 and 7/10 in my top 10.

Exactly... This graph doesn't represent voting reality though. We don't have certainty of course, because we don't have a voting graph telling us what women voters prefer and what men voters prefer. But I suggest 80-85% of the final voters are women. That's the biggest discrepancy in Sanremo. I never saw a man picking up his phone to vote someone in Sanremo where I live, meanwhile I saw women do this multiple times in my 36 years of existance. You may not believe me, but that's my own experience.

 

[sucof]

as for Lucio, personally I don't care if he wins Eurovision, I'd rather he be able to sing his song about that stage.

as for the controversy over the vote, I'm sorry that the propaganda against the Italian government has had success on some weak minds, I remind you that Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau apologized to the Italian government at the last G7 because one of his collaborators told him that in Italy gays were deported and he repeated the same words in front of Giorgia Meloni! I assure you that from Mario Draghi to Giorgia Meloni nothing has changed .

this is the exact moment when Trudeau repeated those words and the Italian Prime Minister was shocked

 

[randajad]

What is this “I don’t hate women, I am friends with one of them” ahh conversation?

Calm your titties and reread Board Rules.

 

[Paco Roca]

Boys and girls, there's little to do. Olly will rightly prefer his sold out concerts. He's almost close to filling football stadiums! And we're talking about a boy who didn't need Sanremo. The Italian festival only consecrated him. The ESC will be even less useful to him for his career. His audience will always be made up of Italian girls. He's a national product. For him it's more of a risky and unprofitable bet. Unless you're Måneskin, partially Looren (who needed the ESC to get out of anonymous) and Ducan (who was a shooting star) even if you win it doesn't translate into success. Indeed, like Nemo you risk flopping after last year's great victory. Songs like "Espresso Macchiato" don't help the image of the contest. Maybe Italy will aim to promote an artist with a more international flavor than Olly, Lucio Corsi. I think that Lucio's song is an excellent fusion between a well written/sung Italian song and a memorable stage component. If Lucio Corsi manages to enter, like Måneskin, the Rock niche (focusing on Glam) he could also create a fandom outside the national borders (provided that he decides, like Damiano, to sing in English).

 

[SAYAY]

Boys and girls, there's little to do. Olly will rightly prefer his sold out concerts. He's almost close to filling football stadiums! And we're talking about a boy who didn't need Sanremo. The Italian festival only consecrated him. The ESC will be even less useful to him for his career. His audience will always be made up of Italian girls. He's a national product. For him it's more of a risky and unprofitable bet. Unless you're Måneskin, partially Looren (who needed the ESC to get out of anonymous) and Ducan (who was a shooting star) even if you win it doesn't translate into success. Indeed, like Nemo you risk flopping after last year's great victory. Songs like "Espresso Macchiato" don't help the image of the contest. Maybe Italy will aim to promote an artist with a more international flavor than Olly, Lucio Corsi. I think that Lucio's song is an excellent fusion between a well written/sung Italian song and a memorable stage component. If Lucio Corsi manages to enter, like Måneskin, the Rock niche (focusing on Glam) he could also create a fandom outside the national borders (provided that he decides, like Damiano, to sing in English).

I really like Lucio's song actually, so I would be very happy if he goes. But I dont wish to pop the champagne before it's actually confirmed who goes.

 

[SAYAY]

Ok Lucio is announcing smth at 14 today. Does this mean what I think it means??

 

[sucof]

I really like Lucio's song actually, so I would be very happy if he goes. But I dont wish to pop the champagne before it's actually confirmed who goes.

 

[tsegaye]

Wouldn't it be weird if Lucio announced his participation before Olly/RAI announced his refusal?

 

[sucof]

Wouldn't it be weird if Lucio announced his participation before Olly/RAI announced his refusal?

they could also be concert dates

 

[Franco]

because one of his collaborators told him that in Italy gays were deported

Actually, they were. In 1938.

A gay island community created by Italy's Fascists

Seventy-five years ago in Fascist Italy, a group of gay men were labelled "degenerate", expelled from their homes and interned on one of the Tremiti islands.

www.bbc.com

 

[b4ld3r]

What if he too announces concert dates during the ESC weeks