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AdelAdel said:
I heard that you can get beaten up if you call a Finnish person "Scandinavian" :lol:

Finnish people are closely related to Estonian and Hungarian. They're Scandinavian (or Nordic) only geographically.
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Yes, Finns are an Uralic group along with Estonians and Hungarians. They're originated in Siberia.
 
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AdelAdel said:
I heard that you can get beaten up if you call a Finnish person "Scandinavian" :lol:

Finnish people are closely related to Estonian and Hungarian. They're Scandinavian (or Nordic) only geographically.
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Yes, they are Uralic people just as Estonians and Hungarians (also the Russian grannies are Uralic people), geographically they belong to Nordic but considering the Swedish influence and that they were part of Sweden for hundreds of years, many of them are probably mixed with Swedes so therefor they have probably Scandinavian blood aswell.
 
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A-lister said:
Yes, they are Finno-Ugric people just as Estonians and Hungarians (and the Russian grandmas for instance :lol:), geographically they belong to Nordic but considering the Swedish influence and that they were part of Sweden for hundreds of years, many of them are probably mixed with Swedes so therefor they have probably Scandinavian blood aswell.
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Finland was a Swedish colony, I know that Finns hate Sweden for that. Were Finnish and Swedish people even allowed to procreate in those times?
 
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AdelAdel said:
Finland was a Swedish colony, I know that Finns hate Sweden for that. Were Finnish and Swedish people even allowed to procreate in those times?
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Finland was part of Sweden for around 700 years, we don't talk a short period here. Before that there was probably no "Finland", just tribe land. Swedish is still an official language there and spoken in everyday life by some percentage of the population, to think that there would have been no mix between people is almost impossible.

Also Estonia was part of Sweden for a couple of hundred years.
 
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Such a shame everyone wants to kill North Koreans with fire and magnets and stuff. :'(
 
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Why do you like Vietnam if you dislike other nations with the same regime ?
 

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^ I personally wish to see people dropping old prejudices. People are of course entitled to their own opinions, but I think that everyone on both sides should just draw a line under things and move on. I mean look at us and the Irish, that conflict was running for much longer and till much more recently, but people on both sides said right we've had enough. Stopped. And didnt just stop at keeping things cordial, but marched side-by-side into the future with huge love, respect and admiration for each other. I dont know why Turks and Armenians cant do that either.
 
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MyHeartIsYours said:
^ I personally wish to see people dropping old prejudices. People are of course entitled to their own opinions, but I think that everyone on both sides should just draw a line under things and move on. I mean look at us and the Irish, that conflict was running for much longer and till much more recently, but people on both sides said right we've had enough. Stopped. And didnt just stop at keeping things cordial, but marched side-by-side into the future with huge love, respect and admiration for each other. I dont know why Turks and Armenians cant do that either.
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As do I, but in order to drop old prejudices, you have to get rid of the mindset that keeps those prejudices alive. Many of them adhere to the same WWI-era mindset and xenophobic attitudes that led to the genocide in the first place, even nearly a hundred years later. There's actually a very good reason as to why things won't change anytime soon, and you can hardly compare their relationship with the Armenians to the British relationship with the Irish, with all due respect.
 

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you can hardly compare their relationship with the Armenians to the British relationship with the Irish, with all due respect.
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The reason you cant any more is because we were both committed to making peace and getting on well together, Armenians and Turks are not only not bothered about carrying on old ways, but rather are very happy to keep the old ways. Therefore there will never be peace and understanding :).
 
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MyHeartIsYours said:
The reason you cant any more is because we were both committed to making peace and getting on well together, Armenians and Turks are not only not bothered about carrying on old ways, but rather are very happy to keep the old ways. Therefore there will never be peace and understanding :).
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You can't move on and commit to peace when the people on the other side of the border not only adhere to their xenophobic tendencies, but construct their foreign policy to prevent any nation from sympathizing with you. The main source of the rift between the two is the genocide. Turkey spends billions of dollars yearly to export the same kind of denial and censorship they have at home, abroad.

For the Armenians, it's not about adhering to old ways. Mocking the genocide and accusing an entire nation of deliberately lying is not only a modern act of insensitivity and carelessness, but an insult to any sane or credible human being. As much as I'd like to move forward, I can't look past the fact that these people not only don't acknowledge the past, but blame Armenians for what they got and turn history and public consciousness on its head and make it seem like they were the victims. I can't look past the fact that the modern Prime Minister of Turkey makes subtle and racist remarks against Armenians. I can't look past the fact that despite the massive destruction and terror the Ottoman Empire brought about, the Turkish Foreign Minister openly talks about the "glory days" of the Ottoman Empire. I can't look past the fact that Turkish culture condones this behavior if not overtly encouraging it for the sake of "national honor". You can't expect me to look past their ignorance and march forward in peace when they're dancing up and down and singing on genocide remembrance day, taunting the descendants of survivors and holding up signs that allude to mass rape. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. The British and the Irish have a lot more in common than the Turks and Armenians do.
 
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