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    Is Eurovision turning into just another "Idol"-concept contest?

    I just had to make this thread after reading some of the comments in the rehearsals topic.

    It seems to me that people are obsessing with voices and performances and that the songs aren't important any longer. I've read many comments now that goes something along the line "I don't like the song, but she has a great voice so she should qualify".

    Wait a sec... so if you don't like the song why should it qualify then if it's a song contest?

    Now don't get me wrong. I know performances are important integrated parts in the contest, but in the end of the day we do look for the best songs don't we?

    Do we really need another Idol?

    Let's see, and this is offcourse my own subjective opinion, what differs Eurovision with the "Idol" type of programs.

    - Firstly Eurovision got a long history of its own and a strong concept and doesn't need to rely on others. The "Idol" concept is basically a karaoke contest concept where record companies have made TV-shows out of their auditions rather than just holding internal auditions. All "Idol" shows (Idol, X-Factor etc) are all loosely based and more or less copies of eachother and the original "Popstars" idea from 1999. With all these shows on the market, does Eurovision really have to follow?

    - Eurovision is the only music show contest of its kind where the focus lies on the songs. The concept is build around having new songs competing rather than just "big" voices singing already known songs. This means that the concept is fundamentally different and staring blindly on just voices in a contest with the concept of bringing original songs, can really harm the contest and its concept and the overall song quality imo.

    - Eurovision is in theory open for country's biggest names in music to compete and to showcase what's popular in those markets, wheres Idol is a concept to give a record contract to a newcomer/amateur based on singing covers.

    - Whether the "Idol" concept has been multiplied 10000x times already, Eurovision still stands alone as the biggest annual music event of its kind and the fact that it's not copied a million times makes it even more unique and interesting. Do we really need to change that?

    So my question is: How is Eurovision a song contest when people are forgetting the songs? Are people surprised that the quality in songs are falling if all focus lies on the voices and performances?

    Now don't get me wrong, I KNOW that this is also a visionary show and all that and offcourse we should not overlook talent when we see/hear it, but have we totally forgotten the songs? In the end of the day looking at the bigger picture some of the most successful artists in the world may have not always been the best live singers, but they have songs that people want to hear and remembers.

    It is not "Eurovision Idol", it is "Eurovision SONG Contest" afterall.

    So what do you think? Are we forgetting the songs in all of this?

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    Re: Is Eurovision turning into just another "Idol"-concept contest?

    I agree with you, but at the end of the day I think with the new voting system no bad song sung well can win, and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davids View Post
    I agree with you, but at the end of the day I think with the new voting system no bad song sung well can win, and vice versa.
    Actually I think since bringing back the juries the focus is unfortunately even more on just "voices" rather than songs imo.

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    Re: Is Eurovision turning into just another "Idol"-concept contest?

    Well, it's impossible not to pay attention to voices when it's a LIVE performance. That's why the opinions before and after the show can vary a lot sometimes. I'd prefer keeping it mostly to songs, though it's best if the song's both great and we have a great singer performing it.
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    Yes, it is becoming too much of a popularity contest, and it's becoming more about the performances than the songs. Take for example Sweden. Horrendous song, yet the choreography is stunning, and for some reason it's favourite to win. Eurovision is too commercialized and sexy than it should be.

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    Re: Is Eurovision turning into just another "Idol"-concept contest?

    I will repeat it here as well.

    If it's about songs then everybody should withdraw

    Thus it will stay like it is because it can't match 1 person's taste. Just can't.

    ps. Eurovision stopped being about songs when it's been broadcasted on the TV for the 1st time.
    In fact performances save this crappy year for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlekS View Post
    I will repeat it here as well.

    If it's about songs then everybody should withdraw.
    Amen to that.

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    I think it is about everything: song, performance, quality of that performance, did it have a good choreography to boost up the song, was it vocally flawless or was it a nightmare to listen to; then you also have factors such as confidence, charisma, charm, your ability to connect with the audience. All these things have their say. I agree, that mostly it is the song. Sometimes song tend to be more appealing with all these factors. It is TV-show, but it definitely doesn't have an idol concept. It is not all about the vocals and we've seen this before!
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    ^

    + different countries have different Idols. Btw, our X-Factor was based on ESC heavily

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    Re: Is Eurovision turning into just another "Idol"-concept contest?

    Quote Originally Posted by doctormalisimo View Post
    Eurovision is too commercialized and sexy than it should be.
    I'm ignoring rest of the post, cause it was no more than declaring dislike towards one of entries. So, about Eurovision being "commercialized"...
    I have sort of alergy on whining about commercialism, whatever context it's used in. ESC is a damn show! A show! Milions are sinking in their armchairs in front of TVs, thousands spend money to be there watching it live and have a great night. I want it noisy and flashy, i just want to entertain myself, like milions of other people. It's all for fun, not for sake of some self-claimed expert's idea of trve art. I generally like the direction this contest has been taking for past 20 years.

    On the topic now...
    Well, i think people on the forum are now talking about performances, just cause it's rehearsals time. After all, we know the songs for quite long now and everything that was to be said about them, has been said. But i believe at the semis and final nights, it'll be mainly songs making importance (well, i just agree with what aletem said here about many factors playing role). For the audience, at least. Only the jury doesn't fit the modern concept of the contest.

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