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    @Pawhlen thanks for the tip. I'll listen to it. It was obvious Ken was upset in Lisbon about fan attitudes of a range of things, not the least the schadenfreude at Benjamin. The "dagens sämsta" feature pretty telling.

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    Wow, very interesting discussion. Christer seems to be more relaxed as the end come closer. The unison and complete diss of the ESC fan community. For being traditional, conservative and of course the cumbersome hating of Sweden. A little like old good "Inför Eurovision" laughs. Most important: They are going to change the app!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pawhlen View Post
    By the way, Christer was guest in "Schlagerprofilerna" last podcast for this ESC-season released today and there he got a question regarding the reactions when he has done the running order all this years (2013, 2016-2018)

    And all this angry emotions that comes after revealing the running order is only from the fanbase, none of the delegations are complaining at all (which they have right to do if they really want)

    Which means that the producer setting the running order in the final will not go away in the nearest time, because EBU listens more to the actual delegations than they do to the fans (which I think it´s good for the most time, not perfect but still it´s good)
    I can imagine one or two other reasons why delegations supposedly don't complain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalehForWD View Post
    @Pawhlen thanks for the tip. I'll listen to it. It was obvious Ken was upset in Lisbon about fan attitudes of a range of things, not the least the schadenfreude at Benjamin. The "dagens sämsta" feature pretty telling.

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    Wow, very interesting discussion. Christer seems to be more relaxed as the end come closer. The unison and complete diss of the ESC fan community. For being traditional, conservative and of course the cumbersome hating of Sweden. A little like old good "Inför Eurovision" laughs. Most important: They are going to change the app!
    As I wrote a few weeks ago, I felt that attitude too when I was in Eurovision Village.

    At the same time, if you keep tracking on people, there comes a time when they feel it´s enough (I´m pretty sure Björkman has felt that for quite some time but he is not showing it because he wants to act professional which is good),

    This attitude towards in ESC has been worse the latest 3 years and this year it reached tornado mode. The fact that almost everyone in the press centre cheers and whistles when we get so low in the televoting is not really what I associate with the open good feeling in ESC, it´s pretty disgusting towards the artists no matter which country that get this kind of treatment.

    And this is what Ken means with this attitude towards us Swedes, which depends on this things

    - our placings since 2011
    - that Björkman has been hired as producer the latest two years
    - that swedish composers is being used frequently by other countries
    - that many of the people in the production team working with ESC is swedish (Henke von Z for example)
    - that many changes in the competition as the voting system and deciding the running order has been influenced by Swedes

    And all these fans that get´s offended by this take it out on us normal Swedish fans, who has nothing to do with this at all, direct your anger towards those tv-stations that asks swedish composers to write their song for ESC, instead of mocking on innocent fans, who hard can it be?

    I´m pretty sure fans felt the same way during the 90´s, the only difference there was that Internet was not really established so all this thoughts and reactions were most kept in the living rooms but nowadays, it is simple to just write your thoughts on a forum like this and it´s easy to access and to read both for artists, other fans and for production people
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    @Pawhlen Do you agree this phenomenon is confined to the fan community for both Sweden and Australia? That it does not spill over to the average viewer? They discuss the difference between voting habit in Eurovision and voting in Melodifestivalen. They also explain the low televote as natural. I agree our voting was ambiguous this year, but I wouldn't know if it used to be more consistent other years. I still think the average viewer perception of Eurovision is very different between countries. I think the expectations will be more unified as Eurovision develops from a one night TV show to be more of a global multimedia event involving TV, social media, music streaming etc. We are in the midst of it right now and the conservative attitude of the fan community isn't helping a bit (even if they're driving it themselves).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LalehForWD View Post
    @Pawhlen Do you agree this phenomenon is confined to the fan community for both Sweden and Australia? That it does not spill over to the average viewer? They discuss the difference between voting habit in Eurovision and voting in Melodifestivalen. They also explain the low televote as natural. I agree our voting was ambiguous this year, but I wouldn't know if it used to be more consistent other years. I still think the average viewer perception of Eurovision is very different between countries. I think the expectations will be more unified as Eurovision develops from a one night TV show to be more of a global multimedia event involving TV, social media, music streaming etc. We are in the midst of it right now and the conservative attitude of the fan community isn't helping a bit (even if they're driving it themselves).
    When it comes to fans reactions for us, I think it´s just in that fanbase.

    Their discussion regarding why Benjamin failed in the televote was pretty on point, last time we had something simular inspired by was in 2005 and then we came 19th.

    Otherwise I agree with the bolded. I would say that rather 85-90% of all people that watches ESC every year do it only on the final evening without having seen the performances or know which ones that are favorites and so on, and they vote for what they feel just that evening.

    The genuine hate towards us is exclusive to the fanbase
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