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    Quote Originally Posted by lowyby View Post
    Guess who else has yellow & red in their flag?
    It'll be & hehehe

    But that's not only yellow and red. So I guess Moldova could only make team with Romania, and Belgium with Germany haha
    1- Portugal, 2- France, 3- Israel,4- Bulgaria, 5- Italy
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAlexer View Post
    Lithuania would fit a lot better than those four.
    That yellow makes Lithuania hopeless. Unless they win and keep winning forever on. Careful!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ParadiseES View Post
    That yellow makes Lithuania hopeless. Unless they win and keep winning forever on. Careful!
    there's yellow in Portugal's flag ! Lithuania fits ! (because Azerbaijan is doomed if we need the exact same colour )

    besides that, I talked - a little - by mail with the guy that's in charge of entertainment for Luxembourg and they're not really in the mood nor wanting to do ESC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-lister View Post
    Please point out some validation for Israel bringing politics into the context?, in fact I think they've been pretty apolitical in this apart for some peace songs, but if that's politics then half of the contestants if not all should be withdrawing, and certainly personal taste isn't really a good argument for wanting a country to get withdrawn, there are many countries that never really sent any entries I like for instance, I still want them to remain in the contest regardless.

    Israel is a crucial part of the Eurovision family and has been for 40 years including three wins , 2 runner-ups and 13 top 10's, it's certainly "in fashion" by certain groups in Europe to bring political points in regards to Israel, but that's not Israel bringing politics into it, more their loathers, but even with highly anti-Israeli countries such as Sweden (as of nowadays) and Ireland, thankfully in regards to Israel the politics haven't been very apparent from any sides of the spectrum (bar some questionable voting, but that's about it).
    Who do we say is a crucial part or not then? That suggests some are more disposable. I'm not sure how relevant results are when that that tends to reflect fashion more than quality. The Big Five put more money into Eurovision and are in that sense more important.

    I don't think you can say Russia putting a peace song in is political and Israel after bombing arabs putting in a peace duet with an arab singer wasn't. The Israeli broadcaster entered on the back of the arab war in the early 70s, most likely to promote Israel at that time as much as anything.

    The reason the Israeli broadcaster pulled out was because of political reasons, the Israeli government wanting to control new coverage on its channels.

    I'm not that fussed if they are in it or not, but to say politics and wars haven't been involved with Eurovision over the years is wrong. And you can't simply blame it on those countries who pulled out over Israel.

    What annoys me though is to suggest they can open up a loophole of not having a news service on the new channel (the government controlling information) just for the sake of a song contest.

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    OMG I've just found this




    So according to this, for 2019-20 and depend on each other. Terrible news for both I'm afraid
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    Quote Originally Posted by musicfan View Post
    Who do we say is a crucial part or not then? That suggests some are more disposable. I'm not sure how relevant results are when that that tends to reflect fashion more than quality. The Big Five put more money into Eurovision and are in that sense more important.

    I don't think you can say Russia putting a peace song in is political and Israel after bombing arabs putting in a peace duet with an arab singer wasn't. The Israeli broadcaster entered on the back of the arab war in the early 70s, most likely to promote Israel at that time as much as anything.

    The reason the Israeli broadcaster pulled out was because of political reasons, the Israeli government wanting to control new coverage on its channels.

    I'm not that fussed if they are in it or not, but to say politics and wars haven't been involved with Eurovision over the years is wrong. And you can't simply blame it on those countries who pulled out over Israel.

    What annoys me though is to suggest they can open up a loophole of not having a news service on the new channel (the government controlling information) just for the sake of a song contest.
    All countries bring their part to ESC, when did I say they didn't? Point made was that Israel has a long history with ESC unlike many others, hence the "crucial" comment. It doesn't mean that others are disposable though, afterall it was you that proposed a country should be thrown out no? We get it, you don't like Israel for whatever reasons... very unoriginal in this time when it's "in fashion" to be anti-Israel, but each to their own. Is your disliking of a country enough argument for having them "banned" from ESC though?

    No, Israel didn't bring "politics" to the contest any way more than many others did and they played by the rules as most countries (no voting scandals, no corruption etc. as we've seen by other countries). As for peace songs, I never liked them regardless who sent them, but if that's what you refer to as "politics" then half of the countries should get thrown out from the contest. Surely peace songs can be considered "political" (depending on the context of course), I never questioned that, however it's not against the rules (if it doesn't break the rules in the lyrical/visual presentation of course).

    All public broadcasters are political entities, if you want only countries that have no politicized news to be allowed in ESC we would end up with 0 countries, and in some countries the connection to the regimes and the blatant politicization is undoubted (Russia, Belarus are obvious examples here, but it's there in most countries, more or less subtle).

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