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    i love that eurovision is in constant evolution and i think all eras of eurovision are wonderful with their qualities and their flaws.

    well, except the part when ireland could win by farting on stage (almost literally what happened in 1994 tbh). never forget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska49 View Post
    i love that eurovision is in constant evolution and i think all eras of eurovision are wonderful with their qualities and their flaws.

    well, except the part when ireland could win by farting on stage (almost literally what happened in 1994 tbh). never forget.
    Well, to some extent true, but Eurovision was dreadfully dated back in the days, and basically all you had to do was to scream a ballad in French or English (or maybe Italian) and you'd win the jury love back in the 80's-mid 90's and yeah, being Ireland while doing this certainly helped
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska49 View Post
    i don't even know what would happen if juries existed in the 2008 final though. everything in the top 7 was very un-jury, even norway. can you imagine israel winning while placing 8th in the televote? lol
    Omigod, it's an opportunity for a frivolous contrafactual A disclaimer before we begin that Israel were my favorite in the 2008 final and that I might be engaging in a bit of wishful thinking.

    They would've had to:
    Beat Russia by 148 points
    Beat Ukraine by 106 points
    Beat Greece by 94 points
    Beat Armenia by 75 points
    Beat Norway by 58 points
    Beat Serbia by 36 points
    Beat Turkey by 14 points
    Beat Azerbaijan by 8 points
    Hold off everything below them

    Azerbaijan is a write-off. I love "Day After Day" too but...come on. Turkey isn't particularly difficult either; sure, it's probably more jury-palatable presentation-wise than Turkey's other attempts at rock music, but 14 points isn't a tall order. Serbia's the first real challenge on the list. Don't like the song personally but her performance was pretty convincing, and the song is rather watered down. Still, if the juries really ended up liking Israel...I suppose possible. Norway on the surface would look to be the finisher, but the juries, at least these days, aren't really fond of vocal restraint, which that song kind of has. 58 points is hardly insurmountable. Armenia/Greece/Ukraine I feel the need to consider as a group. Ani Lorak's writhing I could see being a turn-off (how...ironic) for the juries, but if "Aphrodisiac" can come 3rd in a 2012 semi in a jury vote, "Secret Combination" and "Qele, Qele" might've had a shot at something. And 94 points is a lot of points. But let's go a little further into this fantasyland and assume they do get through Greece & Armenia. 148 points is a massive margin to defeat the televote winner. But it's happened, and for us to have made it this far, the jury would have to REALLY love "The Fire In Your Eyes," so..........

    Basically, the scenario where Israel wins in 2008 involves:
    1) A small pack of songs crushing everything else in the jury vote
    2) That pack of songs not including Norway, Russia, Armenia, or Greece and rather being made up of some combination of Portugal, Georgia, even Denmark (Denmark came 11th with the juries in 2015 using the same schtick when just about everyone was getting real sick of their shit - imagine what would happen in a world where it had worn less thin by seven years) or *gulp* the UK
    3) Israel staying competitive within that pack - Portugal & Georgia aren't that far behind

    tl;dr It probably ain't happenin' outside a world where "The Fire in Your Eyes" is better received than it actually was.

    Edited for an EGREGIOUS error; none of you saw me forget Dami Im's existence, right?
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    #2544

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    It's a shame that Russia is not participating, but that is the price for disrespecting the law of the host country. They should have chosen different artist in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaska49 View Post
    i don't even know what would happen if juries existed in the 2008 final though. everything in the top 7 was very un-jury, even norway. can you imagine israel winning while placing 8th in the televote? lol
    If it was up to me... YES YES and YES AGAIN!!! Fire in your eyes is in my top 5 of my alltime Eurovision favourites and my favourite in 2008, one of the most disappointing years in Eurovision, with it being the light of joy in a crappy boring show. I adore this song!

    Apart from that... Dima Bilan had quite a little fanbase around Europe at that time, so it didn't surprise me he won although IT SUCKED so much!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lavieenrose View Post
    Edited for an EGREGIOUS error; none of you saw me forget Dami Im's existence, right?


    Thank you for your analysis though You're right, sometimes juries have gone for stuff no one would expect them to support, so it's difficult to say how much the outcome would have changed in 2008. I had almost forgotten "Aphrodisiac" was third in its semi back in 2012, the sadness of it all (And that comes from someone who actually enjoyed that song, but third place? no ma'am!)
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