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    Quote Originally Posted by blue00eyes View Post
    That came from a Turkish. Leave him
    When you can't find any arguments to back up your statements.

    You simply judge them by their nationality nice mentality

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    Apart from my own country and Poland, this was the only other country I really liked and wanted to do well tonight.

    I suppose that considering the facts that last year Greece flopped and that Demy only 10th on her semi this can be seen as a decent enough result. Though considering the entire quality of the contest this was a clear top 10 song to me (top 5...top 3....shhh).

    I loved nearly everything on the performance. The staging was very memorable, the song leads up to an explosion of pure loving pop in just the right way and the "swan dancers" in sync were quite something to watch (actually, thinking of backing dancers this year it was in overall pretty weak...so perhaps this might have been one of the best pairs, indeed).

    I really love it when the song breaks down. The "underwater hologram/whatever" is amazing but the strings going happily wild on top of that are just the best thing about that part of the song. Personal climax.
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    Tbh the best parts of the whole night were when the Greek/Cypriot juries awarded each other 12 points and the crowd boo'd both times. Glad to see they're finally catching on to their tricks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvNickGR View Post
    ^We don't care anymore.

    When the Scandinavians, the Baltic countries and the former Soviet ones exchange 10-12 points, they are interwoven with each other ... we are talking about so much hypocrisy ...
    Not really though, using the excuse of "everybody does it" is exactly the problem.
    - juries gave 0 points to
    - juries gave 0 points to and only 5 to
    - and uries did give 12 points to , but they ended top 5 so a lot of other countries agreed, where did Greece end up?
    - juires only gave 6 points to

    There is no denying there is some bias in each European country and when this is the televote I might even be willing to accept it.
    But if so called "professional" juries give not 5, 8 or 10, but 12 points to their neighbour, when the rest of all the countries barely give you anything, you really need to take a hard reflective look at yourself. Greece got almost 33% from it's points from Cyprus, that is a significant difference.
    If it's the televote I would be annoyed but I would understand, this is just touching the line of cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaz View Post
    Tbh the best parts of the whole night were when the Greek/Cypriot juries awarded each other 12 points and the crowd boo'd both times. Glad to see they're finally catching on to their tricks.
    And the worst moment was when a disrespectful Aussie opened his butt in front of the previous winner and made fun of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenizESC View Post
    And the worst moment was when a disrespectful Aussie opened his butt in front of the previous winner and made fun of her.
    It was Ukrainian troll, it has nothing to do with Australia
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    There is no denying there is some bias in each European country and when this is the televote I might even be willing to accept it.
    But if so called "professional" juries give not 5, 8 or 10, but 12 points to their neighbour, when the rest of all the countries barely give you anything, you really need to take a hard reflective look at yourself. Greece got almost 33% from it's points from Cyprus, that is a significant difference.
    If it's the televote I would be annoyed but I would understand, this is just touching the line of cheating.
    Quote Originally Posted by ES2011 View Post
    There is no denying there is some bias in each European country and when this is the televote I might even be willing to accept it.
    But if so called "professional" juries give not 5, 8 or 10, but 12 points to their neighbour, when the rest of all the countries barely give you anything, you really need to take a hard reflective look at yourself. Greece got almost 33% from it's points from Cyprus, that is a significant difference.
    If it's the televote I would be annoyed but I would understand, this is just touching the line of cheating.
    Imo, it is hypocrisy because for example on 2015 Greece had a good song and the singer was Greek Cypriot. Cyprus gave it 8pts, so the jury must have given it ~6pts or something. And last year that we sent a bad song the jury just gave it 3pts.

    I saw that Finland and Denmark gave 12 points to Sweden. Imo, there were around 15 songs better than that.

    And Cyprus is usually underrated imo. Their song was one of the few songs I liked, like Georgia and Cyprus last year and what those songs have in common is Thomas G:son from Sweden.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_G:son

    the Greek jury last year:
    Russia 12
    Armenia 10
    Cyprus 8
    Australia 7
    France 6
    Georgia 5
    Hungary 3
    Ukraine 2
    Azerbajan 1

    the Greek jury this year:
    Cyprus 12
    Azerbajan 10
    Armenia 8
    Moldova 7
    Romania 6
    Portugal 5
    Italy 4
    Belarus 3
    Bulgaria 2
    UK 1

    I can't say our jury is perfect but I was happy for the 3pts to Belarus this year for example (for the fact that our jury appreciated what I appreciated about it, I may write on that thread).

    Also our jury this year gave 10pts to Azerbajan. Irrespective of my opinion on it, Azerbajan is like friends of our 'enemies' (Turkey) and enemies of our friends (Armenia), so there's nothing political about giving 10pts to Azerbajan.

    Juries shouldn't exist in the first place, though. Imo they were created mostly because some countries were unhappy about diaspora vote. They make the contest more political.

    -Addition-
    On 2014 the Greek jury gave 12 points to Norway. Televoting+juries
    Austria 12
    Russia 10
    Netherlands 8
    Armenia 7
    Hungary 6
    Ukraine 5
    Switzerland 4
    Norway 3
    Sweden 2
    Poland 1

    On 2015 the Greek jury gave 12 points to Italy. Televoting+juries=
    Italy 12
    Cyprus 10
    Russia 8
    Belgium 7
    Albania 6
    Australia 5
    Sweden 4
    Latvia 3
    Georgia 2
    Armenia 1

    You should be more concerned about the juries that affected the results the previous two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvNickGR View Post
    Greece (Greek team in Kyiv) sent to EBU a protest letter/mail with complaints about the (very) bad organization. Fokas and EBU had agreed different things on stage 1.5 month before, and 5 days before the rehearsals the EBU said that due to ''safety reasons'', the prop the Greek Team had agreed to bring on stage ( a big swing ) can not be implemented. Also the email to EBU has complaints about the camera work and lighting.

    When Fokas has complained about that the Production said: ''This year you can't do the things you did with Russia last year''.

    omg...

    Surprised this wasn't discussed more.

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    29 points from the televote is slightly dubious, it will be interesting to see where greece go from here. imo like the united kingdom they struggle to produce staging/songs/vocals much better than this for eurovision

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apostolos View Post
    Imo, it is hypocrisy because for example on 2015 Greece had a good song and the singer was Greek Cypriot. Cyprus gave it 8pts, so the jury must have given it ~6pts or something. And last year that we sent a bad song the jury just gave it 3pts.
    Again that is your personal opinion, in my opinion Greece 2015 was mediocre at best, but that is a matter of opinion.
    Also in this year Greece got 15 from its 23 points from its buddies Cypres and Armemia, without them your chances of making the final that year were minimal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apostolos View Post
    I saw that Finland and Denmark gave 12 points to Sweden. Imo, there were around 15 songs better than that.

    And Cyprus is usually underrated imo. Their song was one of the few songs I liked, like Georgia and Cyprus last year and what those songs have in common is Thomas G:son from Sweden.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_G:son
    Again, in you opinion. But that is not the point. I didn't like Swedens song this year either, but apparently all the juries DID, as they got points from all over Europe. So Finland and Denmarks points were more justifyiable (while of course being slightly biased), since there was some form of consensus among juries that the song was good, which is how it should be.
    Greece on the other hand wasn't deemed good by almost any international jury except for buddies Cyprus and Armenia.
    THATS the main difference. You can give a little more points to a country because it's your friend, maybe even 12 points if the song is good enough. But I draw the line that you almost get half of your points from your friends, when the rest of Europe doesn't appreciate the song at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apostolos View Post
    the Greek jury last year:
    Russia 12
    Armenia 10
    Cyprus 8
    Australia 7
    France 6
    Georgia 5
    Hungary 3
    Ukraine 2
    Azerbajan 1

    the Greek jury this year:
    Cyprus 12
    Azerbajan 10
    Armenia 8
    Moldova 7
    Romania 6
    Portugal 5
    Italy 4
    Belarus 3
    Bulgaria 2
    UK 1

    -Addition-
    On 2014 the Greek jury gave 12 points to Norway. Televoting+juries
    Austria 12
    Russia 10
    Netherlands 8
    Armenia 7
    Hungary 6
    Ukraine 5
    Switzerland 4
    Norway 3
    Sweden 2
    Poland 1

    On 2015 the Greek jury gave 12 points to Italy. Televoting+juries=
    Italy 12
    Cyprus 10
    Russia 8
    Belgium 7
    Albania 6
    Australia 5
    Sweden 4
    Latvia 3
    Georgia 2
    Armenia 1

    Also our jury this year gave 10pts to Azerbajan. Irrespective of my opinion on it, Azerbajan is like friends of our 'enemies' (Turkey) and enemies of our friends (Armenia), so there's nothing political about giving 10pts to Azerbajan.
    Again, despite the argument of giving points to Azerbaijan, Norway and Italy, these were all songs that ended up in the top 10 anyway. You are praising your juries for doing the job they are supposed to do?
    In the meantime the Greek juries give to Cyprus: 12 (2017), 8 (2016), 10 (2015).
    Cyprus juries gave to Greece: 12 (2017), 3 which is as much as you can justify i guess (2016) and 5 (2015)

    Quote Originally Posted by Apostolos View Post
    Juries shouldn't exist in the first place, though. Imo they were created mostly because some countries were unhappy about diaspora vote. They make the contest more political.

    You should be more concerned about the juries that affected the results the previous two years.
    Despite its flaws this is exactly WHY juries should exists.
    You complain about juries making things too political, but justify Greece and Cyprus giving each other 8,10,12 points every year?
    Juries (attempt) to take away the political aspect (not always successfully as Greece and Cyprus have shown)
    If you get rid of the juries you will scare away countries that put in the effort but got rejected a way to the final due to a lack of neighbours or diaspora.
    After my country did not qualify for 6 years in a row under 100% televote (some of which deserved to be in the final), everybody in my country lost interest and screamed to just step out of the competition. I even stopped watching for a while. Now with the juries, the contest is finally gaining popularity again.

    If we go back to 100% televote we go back to the dark ages of eurovision where not the best songs would qualify, but where most seats were already reserved for the countries with the biggest diaspora who sometimes did not care what they send.
    In the end it's still about the best song or act, it's not a popularity contest who is best friends with each other.
    It would have been very doubtful if Greece would have made the final this year without Cyprus being in the same final.
    It's only a few points, but it is enough to block out those entries from countries that deserved to go through on their own strength.
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