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A-lister
2nd January 2013, 18:59
For the 2013 edition we had withdrawals based on economical situations but also based on dissatisfaction with the contest itself and the countries' results and lack of public interest.

What countries do you think would benefit ESC the most? I mean in terms of getting a higher public interest, helping the contest's credibility and making countries comeback that stay out based on lack of interest and dissatisfaction (and also minimizing risks of further withdrawals).

Of course, it should be about the music, but just hypothetically speaking. And no, this is not a ranking of "favorite" countries, more which wins you'd think benefit Eurovision in the upcoming years.

A-lister
2nd January 2013, 19:06
I'd say (in no particular order):

::at, ::ch, ::hu = would prove that the Central European countries can make it and could potentially lead to comebacks by dissatisfied central-European countries such as ::pl, ::sk and ::cz and especially a win for ::at and ::ch would make dissatisfied and "unlucky" western countries see possibilities again.

::fr, ::uk, ::es and ::it = well, the "big" countries (bar ::it) haven't been that successful, a win for any of them would probably gain public interest in general and credibility for the countries (::de winning in 2010 did help changing the German opinion about the contest quite much).

::nl, ::be = A win for a Benelux country would have a similar effect as for a Central-European one I think, also it could mean a comeback for ::lu.

::mt, ::sm = The latter is highly unlikely, but a win for a small country without a diaspora or 'bloc' would sort of mean that any country could potentially win, also we could get comebacks by other microstates that dropped out because of their disadvatange like ::mc, ::ad and ::lu and a debut by ::li would seem likely aswell. The whole notion though that "any country could win" would work in favor of the contest and could potentially lead to comebacks by other dissatisfied countries (not just the tiny ones).

Mickey
2nd January 2013, 19:45
I mostly agree with your list, but would add the qualifier, that countries would also need to be able to host the contest to benefit ESC. I don't think it would be good for the image of ESC to have the winner decline hosting and for there to follow a (perhaps difficult) search for a replacement.

I'd like to think Malta could afford to host, but I think a small country winning could make such countries less likely to want to enter, at least while the economy is still the way it is.

dragvision
2nd January 2013, 22:25
if russia win many east europe country can come back
if azerbaigian win turkey come on back
if malta tunisia can make a debut

DanielLuis
2nd January 2013, 22:51
if russia win many east europe country can come back
if azerbaigian win turkey come on back
if malta tunisia can make a debut

All the eastern european countries are in though. Besides, a Russian win would go intp the stereotype that Mother Russia as the support of all the ex-soviet nations.

Jim
2nd January 2013, 22:58
I think if Hungary will win, then surely we will have back to the contest, Poland, Slovakia & Czech Republic. If France will win, we will have again Monaco, Portugal & Andorra, maybe Morocco too! If Switzerland or Germany or Austria will win, we will have the debut of Liechtenstein for sure. Maybe even Poland and Czech Republic and Slovakia will be back.

CC92
3rd January 2013, 02:26
I see where you come from but I full-heartedly despise the message of this topic. If broadcasters (and people) care more for the "right" countries to win rather than the right songs, and I know this is partly the case right now, then we have a problem in their minds which needs to be fixed but not with the Eurovision winners. Until then, by the way, it is impossible to stop all sides from complaining quite regardless of who is winning. In the noughties we saw a couple of tiny eastern and politically unpopular countries taking the victory – the media were ranting about post-communist cliquism and immigrants' voting. These days we face a run of well-heeled countries placing first, suddenly it turns to be all about bought and pre-decided victories and unfair conditions for financially poorer countries. Would something enduringly change if let us say Austria won? No, because then in the words of some others (or the same even) it would be just another western winner which only happens to have an influential brother country and moreover keeps an extremely touchy attitude towards the contest and therefore does not deserve to attain. It is probably difficult to deny that in any of these lines of arguments a grain of truth is to be found but in general the caring-for-nations-thing is politically motivated nonsense propaganda ESC ought not to pursuance with.

nofuxCZ
3rd January 2013, 02:54
I think if Hungary will win, then surely we will have back to the contest, Poland, Slovakia & Czech Republic.
Are you sure? Are you aware of the very complicated relationship and (not only) diplomatic conflicts Hungary and Slovakia have?
As for the Czech Republic, only Slovakia's win and/or fundamental changes to the ESC format would bring us back (that's what our broadcaster said after our withdrawal in 2009 - that Eurovision format is old-fashioned and they would consider a return only if significant changes will be made to the contest's format - I have no idea what changes they meant tho xshrug).

I'd like to see a central European country win the contest, not only because I'm central-European myself, but also because I seriously think many of the Slovak, Polish, Hungarian and Austrian entries were criminally underrated.

The most beneficial thing for ESC right now would be a small country (like Malta, Cyprus, San Marino, Montenegro etc.) winning with a great song :mrgreen: It would be a clear signal that "any country can win with a good song" and also it could lead to a return of other dissatisfied (bigger) countries, as A-lister said.

A-lister
3rd January 2013, 03:00
I see where you come from but I full-heartedly despise the message of this topic. If broadcasters (and people) care more for the "right" countries to win rather than the right songs, and I know this is partly the case right now, then we have a problem in their minds which needs to be fixed but not with the Eurovision winners. Until then, by the way, it is impossible to stop all sides from complaining quite regardless of who is winning. In the noughties we saw a couple of tiny eastern and politically unpopular countries taking the victory – the media were ranting about post-communist cliquism and immigrants' voting. These days we face a run of well-heeled countries placing first, suddenly it turns to be all about bought and pre-decided victories and unfair conditions for financially poorer countries. Would something enduringly change if let us say Austria won? No, because then in the words of some others (or the same even) it would be just another western winner which only happens to have an influential brother country and moreover keeps an extremely touchy attitude towards the contest and therefore does not deserve to attain. It is probably difficult to deny that in any of these lines of arguments a grain of truth is to be found but in general the caring-for-nations-thing is politically motivated nonsense propaganda ESC ought not to pursuance with.

While I agree with your comment, you should read the last sentence in my initial post. I totally agree that this should be about music first and foremost, and that countries should win based on what they bring to the table and not based on what country they happen to be of course, however this have very seldom been the case in ESC regardless of when in ESC history you tend to look at it, and although I agree that it shouldn't matter some wins might have a different influence on ESC than others. I don't encourage a thinking like that, but it's still an interesting subject to discuss nevertheless.

So this thread is just a hypothetical discussion and should taken with a grain of salt, it's more meant to be a discussion if some wins would benefit ESC in terms of popularity, regained interest in some countries etc., and not a way to promote tactical/political voting or "favor" countries or anything like that. Imo all countries should be treated equally in ESC and the music should be the only matter and no winners should "mean more" than others, but reality doesn't look like that unfortunately. If all people and broadcasters would treat ESC like we do then we wouldn't have this problem with countries dropping out because of bad results etc.

A-lister
3rd January 2013, 03:07
Are you sure? Are you aware of the very complicated relationship and (not only) diplomatic conflicts Hungary and Slovakia have?
As for the Czech Republic, only Slovakia's win and/or fundamental changes to the ESC format would bring us back (that's what our broadcaster said after our withdrawal in 2009 - that Eurovision format is old-fashioned and they would consider a return only if significant changes will be made to the contest's format - I have no idea what changes they meant tho xshrug).

I'd like to see a central European country win the contest, not only because I'm central-European myself, but also because I seriously think many of the Slovak, Polish, Hungarian and Austrian entries were criminally underrated. You don't think a win for Austria or Poland would bring Czech Republic back aswell though? (well, now Poland is not in the contest either but hypothetically speaking).

The most beneficial thing for ESC right now would be a small country (like Malta, Cyprus, San Marino, Montenegro etc.) winning with a great song :mrgreen: It would be a clear signal that "any country can win with a good song" and also it could lead to a return of other dissatisfied (bigger) countries, as A-lister said.

I'm very much aware of the situation between Hungary and Slovakia, and in this case I don't think it's really Hungary winning more that if a Central-European country wins period then Slovakia might be interested again (and Hungary is one of those).

Yeah, a very small country without any actual diaspora to count on and no "voting bloc" either winning would really send a signal that if you fight for win any country could do it, I think that would really boost a general interest and I actually think it would make countries in general pay more attention and bring more effort aswell as it would mean that if you try your best then you can actually win... but of course only if you win with a good and strong entry, but in the case of the tiny countries like these I think they can't rely on luck these days to actually win.

CC92
3rd January 2013, 03:15
I see where you come from but I full-heartedly despise the message of this topic. If broadcasters (and people) care more for the "right" countries to win rather than the right songs, and I know this is partly the case right now, then we have a problem in their minds which needs to be fixed but not with the Eurovision winners. Until then, by the way, it is impossible to stop all sides from complaining quite regardless of who is winning. In the noughties we saw a couple of tiny eastern and politically unpopular countries taking the victory – the media were ranting about post-communist cliquism and immigrants' voting. These days we face a run of well-heeled countries placing first, suddenly it turns to be all about bought and pre-decided victories and unfair conditions for financially poorer countries. Would something enduringly change if let us say Austria won? No, because then in the words of some others (or the same even) it would be just another western winner which only happens to have an influential brother country and moreover keeps an extremely touchy attitude towards the contest and therefore does not deserve to attain. It is probably difficult to deny that in any of these lines of arguments a grain of truth is to be found but in general the caring-for-nations-thing is politically motivated nonsense propaganda ESC ought not to pursuance with.
While I agree with your comment, you should read the last sentence in my initial post. I totally agree that this should be about music, and that countries should win based on what they bring to the table and not based on what country they happen to be, however this have very seldom been the case in ESC regardless of when in ESC history you tend to look at it, and although I agree that it shouldn't matter some wins might have a different influence on ESC than others.

This thread is just a hypothetical discussion though and should of course be taken with a grain of salt, it's more a discussion if some wins would benefit ESC in terms of popularity, regained interest in some countries etc. of course the music is what should count so I totally agree with you on that and this thread was not a way to promote tactical/political voting or "favor" countries or anything like that.

I believe that any euphoric reactions for a country (and not a song) winning are politicising the contest and lead to disappointments on the 'other side'. If a Central European country won maybe Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia would come back but others might 'do a Turkey' instead because they would feel their own achievements to be degraded. I was not happy at all when ORF returned in 2011 (mind you I still would not have been happy if they had entered with smth. listenable you could call a'song').

A-lister
3rd January 2013, 03:22
I believe that any euphoric reactions for a country (and not a song) winning are politicising the contest and lead to disappointments on the 'other side'. If a Central European country won maybe Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia would come back but others might 'do a Turkey' instead because they would feel their own achievements to be degraded. I was not happy at all when ORF returned in 2011 (mind you I still would not have been happy if they had entered with smth. listenable you could call a'song').

I did a slight change to my response on the other side, but I think you got my message. I do agree with you, and I guess you know me enough by now when it comes to Eurovision that I'm totally against favorizing countries in it.

Well, I think that if countries that generally struggles finally wins it could lead to comebacks and for others actually putting more effort aswell because they'll see that putting effort won't be made in vain, but of course this will only be the case if the winning song will be a worthy one... if not then the opposite effect might occur (the one you're mentioning with countries pulling out because they felt a bias).

It's all a bit tricky, I'd wish politics and such would not play a part in ESC, but unfortunately it does.

CC92
3rd January 2013, 03:33
^ I got your point but it has been statistically proven that every country can win (w/o being reliant on bloc votes) since pretty much forever (or at least the introduction of televoting). I think it is important for people to realise that first coz' then we actually would not need 'practical' proofs anymore. It does not help though that struggling broadcasters against their better knowledge are promoting the opposite to the public for the purpose that the blame won't be (entirely) put on them.

GRE
3rd January 2013, 11:33
I think France should win.
That would bring back maybe Monaco,Andorra,Portugal and even Luxemburg & Morocco.

A-lister
3rd January 2013, 14:51
I think France should win.
That would bring back maybe Monaco,Andorra,Portugal and even Luxemburg & Morocco.

If I'd have to choose, I'd choose Central-Europe over a North-African comeback tbh. Not to rank countries or anything, but it's just odd to have this empty hole right in the middle of the European map every year with Eurovision, it just doesn't feel right that half of the European centre and 55 million people aren't represented in a contest supposed to be a European event.

Jim
3rd January 2013, 21:27
I think France should win.
That would bring back maybe Monaco,Andorra,Portugal and even Luxemburg & Morocco.

I mention that in my post. I agree!

anto475
8th January 2013, 01:41
If I'd have to choose, I'd choose Central-Europe over a North-African comeback tbh. Not to rank countries or anything, but it's just odd to have this empty hole right in the middle of the European map every year with Eurovision, it just doesn't feel right that half of the European centre and 55 million people aren't represented in a contest supposed to be a European event.

This, basically. It's mad how there's just this divide in Europe, between the winning states and those who haven't won before, aside from the enclave of victory that is Serbia. Something like Hungary would be ideal, or possibly Romania.
I suppose looking at it from another point of view, and I say this through gritted teeth, but I'd love to see the UK win, for the benefit of the ESC. I say this because it would shut up those blasted tabloids that come out every year with the same crap about block voting, and it would boost the popularity of the event in both the UK and Ireland, two places where it is falling fast. This is because an Irish victory might do the same in Ireland, but would not in the UK. Also we get a lot of British media over here, and a lot of our youth are impressioned by the British media, almost moreso than our own since the dawn of satellite TV.
I don't think a French victory would bring back Andorra or Monaco, they both seem broke/adamant about staying out, and it's clear that, at least in the case of Monaco or Luxembourg, the contest has changed beyond what they were used to. A UK victory would do wonders for the contest.

Quent91
9th January 2013, 18:28
France, definitely ;)

Impressive
11th January 2013, 22:32
France, definitely ;)
France would be a result like Norway's hosting.
I read some articles said that Italy, France or UK's hosting wouldn't be perfect statu. Because those countries don't care about Eurovision very well.

anto475
12th January 2013, 01:42
France would be a result like Norway's hosting.
I read some articles said that Italy, France or UK's hosting wouldn't be perfect statu. Because those countries don't care about Eurovision very well.

I was thinking about it actually and I'd love to see France win, or even Belgium in an RTBF year. Just to see the contest be broadcast mainly en Francais!

CC92
12th January 2013, 03:16
^ Sceptical if the EBU would allow this.

Mickey
12th January 2013, 12:06
France would be a result like Norway's hosting.
I read some articles said that Italy, France or UK's hosting wouldn't be perfect statu. Because those countries don't care about Eurovision very well.

I have no idea what you mean by "like Norway". I thought 2010 was great.

France, Italy or UK winning could revive interest in the contest in each country. That's why a win for either would be a good thing.

Obviously, being British, UK would be my choice. We love Eurovision here, we really do. It's just not viewed as a serious music show. People think that (a) it's mostly populated by novelty songs and (b) you have to be from Eastern Europe/Scandinavia to win. A British win for a credible pop act could go a long way to changing that.

Impressive
12th January 2013, 13:43
I have no idea what you mean by "like Norway". I thought 2010 was great.

France, Italy or UK winning could revive interest in the contest in each country. That's why a win for either would be a good thing.

Obviously, being British, UK would be my choice. We love Eurovision here, we really do. It's just not viewed as a serious music show. People think that (a) it's mostly populated by novelty songs and (b) you have to be from Eastern Europe/Scandinavia to win. A British win for a credible pop act could go a long way to changing that.

I meant by "like Norway" is that Norway separated least budget to whole contest in last years and stage was very cold. There were only point lights at backstage. 2010 is a great year by songs. But to be honest, we can't say this is one of the best stage. Compare the stage with Moskova, Düsseldorf or Baku. Even Helsinki's stage had better technicals.

So I wouldn't be very hopeful when Italy, UK or France won.

anto475
12th January 2013, 15:20
^ Sceptical if the EBU would allow this.

Well French and English are the two working languages of the contest, that's why the results and rules are read out in both languages. It happened in 87 and 78 sure!

Mickey
12th January 2013, 17:14
I meant by "like Norway" is that Norway separated least budget to whole contest in last years and stage was very cold. There were only point lights at backstage. 2010 is a great year by songs. But to be honest, we can't say this is one of the best stage. Compare the stage with Moskova, Düsseldorf or Baku. Even Helsinki's stage had better technicals.

So I wouldn't be very hopeful when Italy, UK or France won.

When I said 2010 was great, I meant the staging. The lights looked cool. It gave the show a character of its own. I don't think a video screen is a needed for a good stage. 2010 also had great hosts and the best interval act this century.

I don't see the link with UK, France and Italy. These broadcasters have more money to spend than most. They're in the big 5 for a reason. I know France and Italy aren't as interested in ESC (UK loves it, just in a more complicated way), but I think they'd still want to put on a good show to the world.

Impressive
12th January 2013, 20:54
When I said 2010 was great, I meant the staging. The lights looked cool. It gave the show a character of its own. I don't think a video screen is a needed for a good stage. 2010 also had great hosts and the best interval act this century.

I don't see the link with UK, France and Italy. These broadcasters have more money to spend than most. They're in the big 5 for a reason. I know France and Italy aren't as interested in ESC (UK loves it, just in a more complicated way), but I think they'd still want to put on a good show to the world.

Most of people think that way only because of those countries have nice economical power. But this is not same thing or equal to good staging. This is all about taking care and take how serious this show. Some people think this is just an event show which takes a couple of nigts. Some people think this is serious contest like special award nights.

France, Italy, UK... Give money and take place in final with nice or non nice songs. This is not all about also taking best stage and building in a winning situation.

Mickey
12th January 2013, 21:07
Most of people think that way only because of those countries have nice economical power. But this is not same thing or equal to good staging. This is all about taking care and take how serious this show. Some people think this is just an event show which takes a couple of nigts. Some people think this is serious contest like special award nights.

France, Italy, UK... Give money and take place in final with nice or non nice songs. This is not all about also taking best stage and building in a winning situation.

I only talked about money, because you said the lack of it meant 2010's staging wasn't to your taste.

This is all way off topic anyway. This is about which winners would benefit the reputation of the contest, not which countries are hypothetically willing to pay for LED screens.

Impressive
12th January 2013, 23:02
I only talked about money, because you said the lack of it meant 2010's staging wasn't to your taste.

This is all way off topic anyway. This is about which winners would benefit the reputation of the contest, not which countries are hypothetically willing to pay for LED screens.

Sorry, what? We are discussing about benefits already. LED screen is one part of the whole contest benefits. Pleasure to the eye is important point, even one of the most important think in Eurovision (after politic voting problem stuffs). Why especially since 2010, visual effects are almost same you think? Because this looks the best to eye for now with little developments. So, this discussion is not all way off topic at all. Interesting effects, more fans.

anto475
12th January 2013, 23:56
Sorry, what? We are discussing about benefits already. LED screen is one part of the whole contest benefits. Pleasure to the eye is important point, even one of the most important think in Eurovision (after politic voting problem stuffs). Why especially since 2010, visual effects are almost same you think? Because this looks the best to eye for now with little developments. So, this discussion is not all way off topic at all. Interesting effects, more fans.

Well I for one am getting fairly sick of LED screens. I mean they've been a main part of the stage since about 2003 and only a few countries I can think of have used them effectively in such a way that it would have made a difference to the song. I loved the Oslo stage actually because they clearly tried to think outside of the same old "Let's just plaster the hall in LEDs and hope for the best". I mean stretching the lights across the stage-side of the stadium, and then extending them out back towards the audience brought everything in together and gave a great sense of belonging, something that worked really well with the theme, something that hasn't been done with the stage effectively since 2006 or 2003. As well as the innovation with the lights, they had the different things that dropped down from above, like the balls or the curtains or the rags, and it all worked so so well. Siren, Horehronie, and We Could Be The Same would have looked shocking and the quality of the song would have been taken away from due to the distraction of the LEDs. More LEDs =/= interesting effects.

Impressive
13th January 2013, 00:17
Well I for one am getting fairly sick of LED screens. I mean they've been a main part of the stage since about 2003 and only a few countries I can think of have used them effectively in such a way that it would have made a difference to the song. I loved the Oslo stage actually because they clearly tried to think outside of the same old "Let's just plaster the hall in LEDs and hope for the best". I mean stretching the lights across the stage-side of the stadium, and then extending them out back towards the audience brought everything in together and gave a great sense of belonging, something that worked really well with the theme, something that hasn't been done with the stage effectively since 2006 or 2003. As well as the innovation with the lights, they had the different things that dropped down from above, like the balls or the curtains or the rags, and it all worked so so well. Siren, Horehronie, and We Could Be The Same would have looked shocking and the quality of the song would have been taken away from due to the distraction of the LEDs. More LEDs =/= interesting effects.

I am not sure if you have noticed but you are saying that there might be a way in hardly to use stage performance as advantage to jury and voters even stage conditionses are not well. But I am saying that if stage gives us very nice conditionses to show a nice performance, song lovers would be very satisfed to watch contest show. And it would take more and more attention to other years. Just think about Lipstick... Seriously, didn't backstage and effects make song very attractive? This is completely about personal taste so I can't give examples healthy. But just try to get what I am explaining about. LED effects set this contest more domestic, more warm. Cold effects with point lambs and balls or something else... Really, sounds interesting?

anto475
13th January 2013, 02:37
I am not sure if you have noticed but you are saying that there might be a way in hardly to use stage performance as advantage to jury and voters even stage conditionses are not well. But I am saying that if stage gives us very nice conditionses to show a nice performance, song lovers would be very satisfed to watch contest show. And it would take more and more attention to other years. Just think about Lipstick... Seriously, didn't backstage and effects make song very attractive? This is completely about personal taste so I can't give examples healthy. But just try to get what I am explaining about. LED effects set this contest more domestic, more warm. Cold effects with point lambs and balls or something else... Really, sounds interesting?

no i'm not saying that the stage performance is a terrible part of the contest like, i mean i'd hate a radio show of the eurovision, but looking at the likes of Kuula or Crno i Belo or Love in Rewind or Follia d'Amore or even Party for Everybody, they would've looked so much better on a stage with minimal LEDs like in 2010, as the background really only served as a bit of a distraction. Actually My Heart is Yours is a great example because I think that if it was up in front of a massive LED screen, it would've just been a sunrise or something cliché like Sognu was, and it wouldn't have come across as well as it did with just the curtains and plain lights.

Yeah, backstage and effects do make songs so much more attractive, and songs like Milim and Sweet People and It's All About You are just three songs that demonstrated perfectly in Oslo that normal lights work just as effectively, if not moreso, than LEDs. LEDs are boring, you have to pick some kind of image to go behind them and they're always used on far too big a scale. Look at Euphoria, which had to use what looked like the television when there's no signal behind her in Baku, yet during Melodifestivalen the lights she used were perfect on their own. I'll admit that some songs do use LEDs wonderfully, L'Amore É Femmina, Unbreakable, La Voix, Randajad, Lipstick, Taken By A Stranger, to name but a few, but I feel that a little LED detox would be great for the contest, and I think a richer country that has won it a few times in the past would be able to do that. I mean one of the main things we've learned from Baku, and Moscow too I suppose, is that the new countries that win for the first time seem to go all out to try and establish themselves, and it just ends up looking gaudy.

Impressive
13th January 2013, 06:55
no i'm not saying that the stage performance is a terrible part of the contest like, i mean i'd hate a radio show of the eurovision, but looking at the likes of Kuula or Crno i Belo or Love in Rewind or Follia d'Amore or even Party for Everybody, they would've looked so much better on a stage with minimal LEDs like in 2010, as the background really only served as a bit of a distraction. Actually My Heart is Yours is a great example because I think that if it was up in front of a massive LED screen, it would've just been a sunrise or something cliché like Sognu was, and it wouldn't have come across as well as it did with just the curtains and plain lights.

Yeah, backstage and effects do make songs so much more attractive, and songs like Milim and Sweet People and It's All About You are just three songs that demonstrated perfectly in Oslo that normal lights work just as effectively, if not moreso, than LEDs. LEDs are boring, you have to pick some kind of image to go behind them and they're always used on far too big a scale. Look at Euphoria, which had to use what looked like the television when there's no signal behind her in Baku, yet during Melodifestivalen the lights she used were perfect on their own. I'll admit that some songs do use LEDs wonderfully, L'Amore É Femmina, Unbreakable, La Voix, Randajad, Lipstick, Taken By A Stranger, to name but a few, but I feel that a little LED detox would be great for the contest, and I think a richer country that has won it a few times in the past would be able to do that. I mean one of the main things we've learned from Baku, and Moscow too I suppose, is that the new countries that win for the first time seem to go all out to try and establish themselves, and it just ends up looking gaudy.

I get what you mean correctly. But if you ask me, Eurovision is not at this point yet. Eurovision still needs to earn fans, followers. In 2010, only 69 million people watched the show. Do you think this is good number for whole Europe? Now, Eurovision should get more fans with more interesting acts and lovely places for a couple more years. After everyone apperceive what exactly Eurovision is, we should try something hard, like cold stage with less LEDs.

Don't extrapolate that I am saying LEDs are everything. Of course not, but one of the most important thing is how does show look. For example, if award show nights which publication on TV could be without LEDs, without different colors or without a lovely show, would people watch? This is the same with Eurovision. Eurovision is just about to be flourish.

The part that I took in bolt.... LEDs are boring?? Back stage is as easy, simple as you said? You must be kidding me. I can get that you think a stage without LEDs could be better but if you tell me that LEDs are boring... I could really start to think you have phobia to LEDs.

Nike
13th January 2013, 10:17
I don't think any country should win because it benefit ESC more than other countries. The country with best song and performance should win. Ridicolous thread... It would be the death of ESC if countries starting to win not because the song but to make other countries hopeful that they can win or do well...

anto475
14th January 2013, 21:34
I get what you mean correctly. But if you ask me, Eurovision is not at this point yet. Eurovision still needs to earn fans, followers. In 2010, only 69 million people watched the show. Do you think this is good number for whole Europe? Now, Eurovision should get more fans with more interesting acts and lovely places for a couple more years. After everyone apperceive what exactly Eurovision is, we should try something hard, like cold stage with less LEDs.

Don't extrapolate that I am saying LEDs are everything. Of course not, but one of the most important thing is how does show look. For example, if award show nights which publication on TV could be without LEDs, without different colors or without a lovely show, would people watch? This is the same with Eurovision. Eurovision is just about to be flourish.

The part that I took in bolt.... LEDs are boring?? Back stage is as easy, simple as you said? You must be kidding me. I can get that you think a stage without LEDs could be better but if you tell me that LEDs are boring... I could really start to think you have phobia to LEDs.

Ahhh ok. Yeah no I'm just against what we saw from 2011 to 2012, that is to say, just a massive wall of LEDs. I mean there was no real thought put into the stage and I think that that could push away crowds a lot more if it was like that every year. Even thought 2009 was the same thing, at least there were moving bits and it was well able to change itself with each song, unlike say in Dusseldorf. Something like 2003 where there are orbiting screens of LEDs and there's more structure to the stage rather than just a wall of LEDs would be ideal. In short, I just don't want LEDs to be everything when it comes to the stage.

DanielLuis
14th January 2013, 22:28
What do you think would happen if a country like San Marino wins?

Jim
14th January 2013, 23:34
What do you think would happen if a country like San Marino wins?

Country that has the 2nd place will host...Italy? I don't think so...

Stuff
15th January 2013, 00:35
oops wrong thread

A-lister
15th January 2013, 01:13
I don't think any country should win because it benefit ESC more than other countries. The country with best song and performance should win. Ridicolous thread... It would be the death of ESC if countries starting to win not because the song but to make other countries hopeful that they can win or do well...

Well thank you for calling my thread ridiculous :)

You didn't get the point, the thread is 100% hypothetical, it's not meant to be dead serious. I totally agree with you that the country with the best song should win, and I do explain it in the introduction to this thread.

The whole point was to hypothetically discuss if some countries win would 'benefit' the contest more in terms of public interest, credibility etc. (if we put the songs aside for a minute). Of course it shouldn't matter, but unfortunately it does.

But yeah, I do agree with you that the thing that should count are the entries and not countries.

Nike
15th January 2013, 08:28
Well thank you for calling my thread ridiculous :)

You didn't get the point, the thread is 100% hypothetical, it's not meant to be dead serious. I totally agree with you that the country with the best song should win, and I do explain it in the introduction to this thread.

The whole point was to hypothetically discuss if some countries win would 'benefit' the contest more in terms of public interest, credibility etc. (if we put the songs aside for a minute). Of course it shouldn't matter, but unfortunately it does.

But yeah, I do agree with you that the thing that should count are the entries and not countries.

I don't think there's a country who benefit ESC more than others. Why? Because there will always be countries against the winner country. Will France victory bring Luxembourg back to the competition?? Maybe, but there's also countries that think France's victory is unfair. Look Turkey don't think the big 5 is fair. What would happen if France wins 2013? Germany 2010 and France 2013 after bad years for the big 5 should rather make Turkey even sure about that the voting system is unfair.

Western countries already complains about eastern only voting for each other. Then I don't see how a hungarian victory should benefit that much to ESC either. Czech R, Poland and Slovakia will come back? Maybe, but if the Western countries feels eastern only voting for each other they can withdrew too.

I think the best song and performance should win. There will always be countries against the winner country. We must accept it in a competition with 40 different countries and their music tastes and cultures.

Terence
19th January 2013, 23:27
I don't think any country should win because it benefit ESC more than other countries. The country with best song and performance should win. Ridicolous thread... It would be the death of ESC if countries starting to win not because the song but to make other countries hopeful that they can win or do well...


I see what you mean, but didn't Austria and Hungary both return to the contest in 2011 because it was staged in Dusseldorf? I seem to remember reading something about Austria, not sure about Hungary!

DanielLuis
19th January 2013, 23:40
Country that has the 2nd place will host...Italy? I don't think so...

Not about who would host it, but what impact it would have around Europe. If a country like that wins, it is proven that everything you need is a good song.

Impressive
19th January 2013, 23:46
I see what you mean, but didn't Austria and Hungary both return to the contest in 2011 because it was staged in Dusseldorf? I seem to remember reading something about Austria, not sure about Hungary!

For Hungary, this is not the point actually. They had some problems in 2009. They changed respesenter twice and finally Zoli Adok has chosen and EBU warned them about that if they change respesenter one more time, they would banned for 5 years. Zoli Adok couldn't qualify already. So Hungary gave a break for 2010. After one year, they came back again.

SRBIJA
27th March 2013, 01:02
Well a win for ::pl ::cz or ::sk would probably mean comeback of the other two . :)

Terry
16th May 2013, 14:54
The UK winning would benefit both UK viewers and Eurovision as they would finally shut up with their moaning and ESC prejudice plus it would bring more viewers in and they would hopefully beat Britain's Got Talent in the viewing figures.

LoveHate
20th May 2013, 14:20
A small country with a song not in English.

Archer
20th May 2013, 15:07
I want a British victory, too.

Yamarus
20th May 2013, 15:13
I think the UK winning in the near future is both likely and desirable. As was said above, it would put an end to the British habit of whining about the ESC and would secure British support for the competition for some time.

Otherwise, any country which does not belong to the three blocs responsible for all victories in ESC since 1999 (Nordic, Balkan, Soviet) except Germany 2010.

Quent91
20th May 2013, 15:22
If France wins, the contest can only go in a better way ;)

GRE
20th May 2013, 16:09
I think next year it will be UK or an ussr (Belarus,Armenia,Georgia).
France would be amazing,but...:(

Jim
20th May 2013, 22:38
I believe that BBC will try to get the trophy next year...

Quent91
21st May 2013, 00:10
I believe that BBC will try to get the trophy next year...

they say it every year :lol:

and they always finish in the bottom 5 :lol:

lucian-crusher
21st May 2013, 12:28
I think a win for the countries that never won it but had some good results like ::mt, ::ro, ::cy, ::pt and ::ba :D

Celia
21st May 2013, 13:07
A Mediterranean or Central European country.

GRE
21st May 2013, 14:26
A Mediterranean or Central European country.

It should have been done this year already.
I am sure many countries from the South Europe are so disappointed.

theCONWEL
22nd May 2013, 18:37
Portugal, France, Italy or the UK :D

mono
24th May 2013, 18:51
PORTUGAL :D


but that will never happen, as long we keep sending the same old stuff. GOD! why can't we have a different HoD?

GRE
9th November 2013, 08:50
Have a look at this story
EBU: PLEASED & SATISFIED WITH RUSSIAN ANSWER | OIKOTIMES.COM (http://oikotimes.com/2013/11/09/ebu-pleased-satisfied-with-russian-answer/)

Jim
9th November 2013, 23:11
France or the UK will win in Copenhagen I believe...

NemesisNick
11th November 2013, 19:04
France or the UK will win in Copenhagen I believe...
What makes you think France or the UK have a better chance of winning in Copenhagen more than anywhere else? Maybe if either country 1) picks a decent song, 2) has an internationally popular artist to sing it, and 3) sings it perfectly they might stand a chance. Time will tell.

DanielLuis
11th November 2013, 19:23
What makes you think France or the UK have a better chance of winning in Copenhagen more than anywhere else? Maybe if either country 1) picks a decent song, 2) has an internationally popular artist to sing it, and 3) sings it perfectly they might stand a chance. Time will tell.

"internationally popular artist" why do people keep saying this works? If the song is good enough it will work, no matter the singer. Look at Lena - she was selected via a talent show.

Mlyn
5th April 2014, 13:10
It would be good if ESC went Mediterranean or Central European.... outside the realms of the North and the Red East.....

Verjamem
5th April 2014, 19:28
Eurovision was held only two times on the "real" Balkans and this region have a little "crisis" at this time, so?

lilka
5th April 2014, 19:38
It would be good if ESC went Mediterranean or Central European.... outside the realms of the North and the Red East.....
There's a country with a white-red flag... ;)

Mlyn
5th April 2014, 22:24
I know, but the CEE countries have no friends nor allies which push them to victory....

greece
6th April 2014, 07:43
I know, but the CEE countries have no friends nor allies which push them to victory....

But if the country with the white-red flag (you can see my flag :lol:) won or ::hu you and ::sk will probably come back and you will be 5-6 in CEE so your block is ready

Mlyn
6th April 2014, 19:15
Well, we are not the most reliable block, I guess....

greece
6th April 2014, 19:16
Well, we are not the most reliable block, I guess....

The scandinavian is 5 countries too so I think there are still hopes

Mlyn
19th April 2014, 12:17
Well, they have more in common..... except for Finland maybe....

but Central European countries are very different from each other in terms of culture, mindset, values and taste

greece
19th April 2014, 15:26
Well, they have more in common..... except for Finland maybe....

but Central European countries are very different from each other in terms of culture, mindset, values and taste

And the Balkan countries have many differences but we are still a powerfull block.
And your Czech with Slovakia haven't got many similarities? Austria and Hungary? So if it is Czech,Slovakia,Austria,Hungary and Poland maybe ::pl is more close to the Soviet one but the others are similar enough

Mlyn
19th April 2014, 16:24
Hungary and Austria are very different from the rest, because they are non-Slavic but also very different from each other. And Poland is not really close to Czech Republic, maybe closer to Slovakia, but it is overall very conservative and catholic, whereas we are an atheistic society. I for one am very shameless. If I grew up in Poland, I wouldn't have lived that way....

nofuxCZ
19th April 2014, 21:15
Uhm, I don't think we are really THAT different. Austria-Hungary has left some imprint on all of these countries and we indeed share lots of traditions and other cultural things (cuisine etc.). Take our funny central european easter traditions as an example.
I think it's just that CE nations simply don't have the need to vote for each other.

Mlyn
19th April 2014, 21:58
Austria-Hungary was too big and too diverse and broke up under all their differences..... too many languages. Slavic, Hungarian, Romanic and Germanic languages, how was that supposed to sustain?

It's a shame most of these countries don't know the languages of their neighbours. If you look at former Yugoslavia and Bulgaria or former Soviet Union, they understand each other still very well..... the Northern Germanic languages in Scandinavia, except for Finland, also help tying these countries to each other....

But the cuisine of Central Europe is the best......

greece
20th April 2014, 10:57
But Slovakia and Czech have many similarities aren't they? They were one nation. Also Poland and Slivakia maybe have some similarities.

Anyway even they have or not they can make a block. After all they are neighboors

GRE
20th April 2014, 11:24
There are 9 countries in Central Europe.
4 of them German speaking,4 of them Slavic,and Hungary.
So they could have a strong team if they support one another.

lilka
20th April 2014, 18:37
But Slovakia and Czech have many similarities aren't they? They were one nation. Also Poland and Slivakia maybe have some similarities.

Anyway even they have or not they can make a block. After all they are neighboors

The Polish language is quite similar to Slovak and Czech. I can understand about 70% (or sometimes even more) of what they say.

greece
20th April 2014, 20:00
Basically the main think is that they are neighboors. Greece, Bulgaria and Romania foe example havwn't got any simularities in their language or culture (well maybe some with the Bulgarians but still not many) and we actually speak a language and have a culture very different from the else countries in the Balkan block but we are in.

greece
20th April 2014, 20:10
Also the soviet block the.most powerfull one actually. Lithuania, Estonia and Latvua have other cultrure, Rusdia,Ukraine and Belarus other and Azerbaijan,Armenia and Georgia other. But every year except ::az and ::am they change votes each other

Jim
20th April 2014, 20:47
Maybe it's time for Hungary this year! Also it would be great to have the contest next year in Italy, France or Spain! :)

LoveHate
7th May 2014, 19:34
France, Italy, Spain, UK, Malta, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland. To name a few.

popavapeur
13th April 2015, 17:58
may the best song win, i'd rather see a country win 5times in a row if they have the best song BUT what countries will benefit ESC the most imo are :

France/Italy/Uk/Spain. first : Roma, Paris, London or Madrid sounds kind of "prestigious". A second big five win could finally shut up all the papers saying that ESC is crap and everything we know + light up the fire for the contest in the country (maybe France or Italy deserves it more in that case).

Eastern Country : Belgium, The Netherlands, Portugal, San Marino. Like, we don't really have a bunch of friends like you guys to give us free points but we made it (anyway, the 2nd Place for The Netherlands and the 1st for Austria in 2014 shows that everything is possible- btw hope Belgium won't really win, i'm afraid to see the battle between VRT and RTBF… they showed us that it's possible to make something together as we saw in the jesc but for a bigger show?)

Central one : for the fact and light up the fire too (Czech, Hungary, Slovakia and let's say Poland)

Ones that deserves just because i decided to :D , they don't really need it but i'd like to see them win once : Georgia, Malta, Iceland, Cyprus (+/- Little countries and imo it's a matter of time as these ones already sent good entries in the past, they got the ESC taste, just have to push their game up to win)

wyq614
15th April 2015, 22:30
Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, UK - Traditional Eurovision participating countries
Microstates, small countries like San Marino, Malta, etc.
Countries with low interest like Czech Republic

I think in these years, Eurovision needs to keep the number of participants and seek to prevent them from withdrawing more than any other years. Those who has more risk of withdrawal should win at least once, which will benefit the ESC most.