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AdelAdel
5th June 2012, 22:00
Would it make more sense if only the countries that qualified for the final could vote in it? I believe that it cut significantly the diaspora/bloc voting and the contest wouldn't be so predictable anymore.
What do you think?

Sim
5th June 2012, 22:09
Will drop the interest in the non-qualifying countries, less money for the ebu, so I doubt it

daniels1000
5th June 2012, 22:46
I don't agree at all.As Sim said - less money for EBU,non-qualyfing countries will be less-interested etc.

Also,voting would be too short,and that is not an objective view of results,because I think that if its called Eurovision,whole Europe need to decide,so think that in that voting,we could see undeserved winners.

AdelAdel
5th June 2012, 23:03
I guess both of got a point. I just preferred the old system before 2004, there were less countries, less voting and the ESC still did good.

EurovisionSmile
5th June 2012, 23:47
I think all the countries must be allowed to take part in the final decision. Otherwise that would affect viewers' interest from the non qualifying countries. I also think it's fairer and more exciting.

A-lister
5th June 2012, 23:51
Will drop the interest in the non-qualifying countries, less money for the ebu, so I doubt it

Exactly. This has been discussed before, but there are too many "risks" with this.

Will drop viewing numbers drastically and voting in general.

FilipFromSweden
5th June 2012, 23:57
weell i don't think that is a god idea. Everyone should have the right to vote :)

rajo
6th June 2012, 00:23
Here is the result if only finalists could have voted

1. Sweden 229
2. Russia 155
3. Serbia 108
4. Azerbaijan 100
5. Germany 74
6. Estonia 74
7. Albania 72
8. Turkey 71
9. Italy 65
10. Cyprus 62
11. Greece 58
12. Romania 58
13. Moldova 49
14. FYR Macedonia 44
15. Ukraine 42
16. Spain 42
17. Lithuania 39
18. Malta 36
19. Iceland 31
20. Ireland 24
21. Bosnia and Herzegovina 22
22. Denmark 16
23. Hungary 11
24. France 10
25. United Kingdom 9
26. Norway 4

AdelAdel
6th June 2012, 00:50
At least Cyprus would've gotten a higher place.

rajo
6th June 2012, 01:27
I did the same routine on the 2011 scoreboard, here we go:

1. Azerbaijan 117
2. Italy 106
3. Sweden 92
4. Moldova 79
5. Ireland 78
6. Bosnia and Herzegovina 75
7. Ukraine 70
8. Denmark 70
9. Germany 66
10. Greece 62
11. Georgia 56
12. Hungary 53
13. Slovenia 52
14. Iceland 49
15. Serbia 47
16. Russia 46
17. Romania 46
18. United Kingdom 44
19. Austria 44
20. France 43
21. Finland 40
22. Lithuania 39
23. Estonia 34
24. Spain 27
25. Switzerland 15

Yamarus
6th June 2012, 08:41
Interesting variations there. Germany 5th!

MyHeartIsYours
6th June 2012, 13:32
I dont like this idea, very unfair!

doctormalisimo
6th June 2012, 15:56
Horrible idea. It would be very unfair on non-qualifying countries that they should be excluded from the whole thing after putting in so much effort with their entry. Also, chronic non-qualifiers such as the Netherlands, Belgium, San Marino etc would never be able t vote in the final. Voting is a major source of income for the broadcasters in ESC, so countries like this would almost certainly withdraw...

rajo
7th June 2012, 03:47
These would be the 2010 results based on the votes of the finalists

1. Germany 122
2. Romania 114
3. Greece 112
4. Armenia 111
5. Azerbaijan 106
6. Turkey 104
7. Georgia 86
8. Ukraine 78
9. Belgium 78
10. Denmark 76
11. France 64
12. Russia 61
13. Spain 44
14. Israel 37
15. Albania 35
16. Portugal 31
17. Serbia 31
18. Bosnia and Hercegovina 31
19. Moldova 27
20. Iceland 26
21. Norway 21
22. Belarus 17
23. Ireland 15
24. Cyprus 13
25. United Kingdom 10

busybee
7th June 2012, 12:18
I absolutely hate that idea. All the countries should have the right to decide on the winner; it doesn't matter whether they made it to the final or not.

Quent91
7th June 2012, 12:48
Belgium, which is never qualified for the final, could not vote, then ?

I want to be able to vote :(

rajo
7th June 2012, 16:49
The 2009 finalists' only vote:

1. Norway 226
2. Iceland 138
3. Azerbaijan 120
4. Turkey 114
5. United Kingdom 102
6. Estonia 80
7. Greece 67
8. Russia 65
9. France 64
10. Moldova 60
11. Armenia 51
12. Ukraine 46
13. Bosnia and Herzegovina 42
14. Denmark 37
15. Sweden 31
16. Germany 30
17. Romania 29
18. Portugal 26
19. Albania 24
20. Israel 24
21. Croatia 22
22. Finland 19
23. Malta 17
24. Lithuania 8
25. Spain 8

VedatiNet
8th June 2012, 21:29
Each year the winners are the same with or without non qual country votes

Yamarus
8th June 2012, 23:39
Each year the winners are the same with or without non qual country votes

Yes, but sometimes the margins change and there are significant differences in some countries' results.

For example, Turkey 2010 ends up in 6th place when it finished 2nd, and with a 66 point difference, that's pretty huge.

rajo
9th June 2012, 00:31
Want more?

2008:

1. Russia 152
2. Ukraine 143
3. Norway 131
4. Armenia 121
5. Greece 116
6. Turkey 88
7. Serbia 81
8. Israel 77
9. Bosnia and Herzegovina 68
10. Azerbaijan 59
11. Iceland 58
12. Georgia 48
13. Denmark 44
14. Latvia 38
15. Portugal 33
16. Spain 31
17. Sweden 30
18. France 30
19. Croatia 29
20. Romania 26
21. Albania 21
22. Finland 21
23. Poland 4
24. Germany 0
24. United Kingdrom 0

rajo
9th June 2012, 00:35
2007:

1. Serbia 146
2. Russia 141
3. Ukraine 136
4. Bulgaria 104
5. Greece 93
6. Belarus 91
7. Turkey 88
8. Moldova 82
9. Armenia 80
10. Hungary 71
11. Georgia 69
12. Romania 52
13. Bosnia and Herzegovina 41
14. FYR Macedonia 40
15. Slovenia 37
16. Latvia 32
17. Lithuania 27
18. Finland 19
19. Sweden 15
20. Germany 8
21. Spain 7
22. United Kingdom 7
23. France 5
24. Ireland 0

rajo
9th June 2012, 00:41
2006:

1 Finland 193
2 Russia 162
3 Bosnia and Herzegovina 145
4 Romania 122
5 Sweden 100
6 Lithuania 91
7 Ukraine 85
8 Armenia 79
9 Greece 72
10 Turkey 61
11 Ireland 60
12 Macedonia 33
13 Croatia 32
14 Norway 30
15 Germany 27
16 Switzerland 20
17 United Kingdom 19
18 Moldova 19
19 Latvia 19
20 Denmark 17
21 Israel 4
22 France 2
23 Spain 0
24 Malta 0

rajo
9th June 2012, 00:48
2005:

1 Greece 174
2 Malta 135
3 Serbia and Montenegro 98
4 Romania 93
5 Moldova 92
6 Israel 92
7 Latvia 74
8 Croatia 72
9 Denmark 66
10 Hungary 61
11 Norway 61
12 Turkey 60
13 Bosnia and Herzegovina 54
14 Switzerland 53
15 Albania 50
16 FYR Macedonia 39
17 Cyprus 36
18 Russia 24
19 Sweden 21
20 Ukraine 11
21 United Kingdom 10
22 Spain 8
23 France 6
24 Germany 2

AdelAdel
9th June 2012, 00:51
Yay! Poland moved from 24th place to 23rd :mrgreen:
Good job rajo, continue to 2004, please ;)
And also, you could do the semi-finals too, I wonder who would qualify if only semi-final countries would be able to vote.

rajo
9th June 2012, 00:59
2004:
1 Serbia and Montenegro 190
2 Ukraine 175
3 Greece 171
4 Turkey 151
5 Cyprus 118
6 Sweden 101
7 Albania 87
8 Bosnia and Herzegovina 64
9 Germany 62
10 Spain 44
11 Macedonia 39
12 Croatia 36
13 Malta 22
14 United Kingdom 21
15 Poland 20
16 Russia 19
17 France 19
18 Romania 13
19 Austria 9
20 Netherlands 8
21 Iceland 7
22 Ireland 7
23 Belgium 6
24 Norway 3

AdelAdel
9th June 2012, 01:12
up: Now this MAKES difference.

daniels1000
9th June 2012, 01:14
2005:

1 Greece 174
2 Malta 135
3 Serbia and Montenegro 98
4 Romania 93
5 Moldova 92
6 Israel 92
7 Latvia 74
8 Croatia 72
9 Denmark 66
10 Hungary 61
11 Norway 61
12 Turkey 60
13 Bosnia and Herzegovina 54
14 Switzerland 53
15 Albania 50
16 FYR Macedonia 39
17 Cyprus 36
18 Russia 24
19 Sweden 21
20 Ukraine 11
21 United Kingdom 10
22 Spain 8
23 France 6
24 Germany 2

Croatia in TOP10 :o

rajo
9th June 2012, 18:11
Greece got only 56 points from the non-finalists in 2005, but was a runaway winner for the finalists...

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:12
Semifinal 2004 / semifinalists only:



Ukraine
166


Serbia and Montenegro
159


Greece
148


Albania
97


Netherlands
95


Cyprus
93


Bosnia and Herzegovina
70


Malta
62


Croatia
49


Macedonia
49


Estonia
47


Israel
38


Finland
33


Denmark
27


Lithuania
23


Portugal
20


Latvia
19


Monaco
10


Belarus
9


Slovenia
4


Andorra
0


Switzerland
0

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:19
Semifinal 2005.



Romania
142


Denmark
139


Moldova
131


Norway
117


Croatia
112


Hungary
107


Israel
99


Switzerland
89


Latvia
68


Macedonia
52


Netherlands
43


Iceland
38


Poland
37


Slovenia
37


Finland
36


Estonia
31


Belarus
28


Ireland
27


Austria
23


Portugal
22


Belgium
21


Bulgaria
15


Lithuania
13


Monaco
12


Andorra
11

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:22
2006 Semifinal:



1
Finland
169


2
Bosnia and Herzegovina
159


3
Russia
142


4
Sweden
127


5
Lithuania
115


6
Ukraine
97


7
Armenia
89


8
Belgium
54


9
Macedonia
51


10
Turkey
45


11
Poland
43


12
Ireland
41


13
Iceland
32


14
Slovenia
27


15
Cyprus
27


16
Albania
26


17
Bulgaria
24


18
Netherlands
22


19
Estonia
19


20
Portugal
12


21
Belarus
7


22
Monaco
6


23
Andorra
0



Belgium in, Ireland out

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:27
2007 Semifinal:



1
Serbia
195


2
Hungary
161


3
Latvia
121


4
Turkey
119


5
Belarus
109


6
Slovenia
109


7
Bulgaria
99


8
Macedonia
83


9
Georgia
70


10
Portugal
57


11
Moldova
49


12
Iceland
48


13
Andorra
47


14
Croatia
42


15
Poland
41


16
Netherlands
38


17
Albania
35


18
Norway
34


19
Switzerland
30


20
Denmark
29


21
Montenegro
28


22
Cyprus
24


23
Estonia
18


24
Belgium
14


25
Malta
13


26
Israel
6


27
Austria
4


28
Czech Republic
1



Portugal in, Moldova out

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:32
2008 SF 1 (without Spain and Germany voting)



1
Greece
137


2
Russia
124


3
Armenia
119


4
Norway
103


5
Israel
96


6
Azerbaijan
88


7
Romania
83


8
Finland
71


9
Bosnia and Herzegovina
65


10
Slovenia
36


11
Moldova
36


12
Poland
34


13
Netherlands
27


14
Montenegro
23


15
Ireland
21


16
Belgium
16


17
Andorra
10


18
Estonia
8


19
San Marino
5



Juries' favourite Poland comes in 12th instead of 10th, making Slovenia the unlucky one.

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:35
2008 SF 2 (without France, UK and Serbia voting)



1
Ukraine
141


2
Denmark
107


3
Croatia
100


4
Georgia
100


5
Portugal
95


6
Latvia
79


7
Turkey
65


8
Albania
59


9
Iceland
56


10
Macedonia
52


11
Bulgaria
45


12
Sweden
44


13
Switzerland
40


14
Malta
36


15
Belarus
27


16
Cyprus
23


17
Lithuania
22


18
Czech Republic
9


19
Hungary
2



Portugal drops from #2 to #5

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:43
2009 SF 1 - no big changes:



1
Iceland
160


2
Turkey
148


3
Bosnia and Herzegovina
114


4
Sweden
94


5
Armenia
84


6
Malta
73


7
Israel
69


8
Romania
64


9
Portugal
57


10
Macedonia
45


11
Montenegro
42


12
Finland
38


13
Belarus
25


14
Switzerland
15


15
Andorra
8


16
Bulgaria
7


17
Belgium
1


18
Czech Republic
0




2009 SF 2 - Ireland advances to the unlucky 10th place for Serbia



1
Norway
176


2
Azerbaijan
151


3
Estonia
99


4
Greece
94


5
Moldova
83


6
Albania
66


7
Denmark
65


8
Ukraine
63


9
Lithuania
58


10
Ireland
51


11
Serbia
43


12
Poland
39


13
Cyprus
32


14
Croatia
30


15
Slovenia
14


16
Hungary
13


17
Netherlands
11


18
Slovakia
7


19
Latvia
7

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:52
2010 SF 1 - block countries advance, but Finland would have kicked Moldova out (more votes)



Belgium
137


Greece
111


Iceland
105


Russia
72


Albania
65


Portugal
59


Belarus
58


Serbia
57


Bosnia and Herzegovina
53


Finland
44


Moldova
44


Malta
42


Estonia
39


Macedonia
37


Poland
27


Slovakia
25


Latvia
11



2010 SF2 - Ireland drops to 10th, barely surviving the semifinal; Romania which won the UK & Norway vote, drops significantly



1
Azerbaijan
111


2
Turkey
109


3
Georgia
105


4
Denmark
93


5
Armenia
83


6
Romania
82


7
Ukraine
71


8
Cyprus
63


9
Israel
59


10
Ireland
51


11
Sweden
47


12
Croatia
33


13
Lithuania
32


14
Netherlands
26


15
Bulgaria
13


16
Slovenia
6


17
Switzerland
2

rajo
9th June 2012, 20:57
SF 1 2011 - Malta in, Switzerland out, Hungary almost out (winner of UK/Spain vote)



1
Greece
118


2
Azerbaijan
117


3
Finland
93


4
Iceland
81


5
Georgia
74


6
Serbia
65


7
Lithuania
64


8
Russia
64


9
Malta
54


10
Hungary
52


11
Armenia
51


12
Switzerland
47


13
Albania
47


14
Turkey
46


15
Croatia
41


16
San Marino
34


17
Norway
30


18
Poland
13


19
Portugal
11




SF 2 2011 - Slovakia in, Moldova out, Austria barely through (3rd favourite of the Big 3)



1
Sweden
139


2
Denmark
123


3
Slovenia
104


4
Bosnia and Herzegovina
88


5
Romania
85


6
Ukraine
75


7
Ireland
60


8
Estonia
56


9
Austria
51


10
Slovakia
48


11
Belgium
45


12
Belarus
45


13
Moldova
42


14
Macedonia
36


15
Bulgaria
31


16
Israel
30


17
Latvia
25


18
Netherlands
13


19
Cyprus
6

rajo
9th June 2012, 21:16
2012 SF 1 - Albania, Romania, Greece and Moldova losing lots of points, but keeping their places, Finland advances to 11th



1
Russia
135


2
Albania
118


3
Greece
98


4
Romania
91


5
Ireland
83


6
Moldova
80


7
Cyprus
75


8
Iceland
68


9
Denmark
57


10
Hungary
50


11
Finland
41


12
Switzerland
37


13
Israel
31


14
San Marino
23


15
Montenegro
20


16
Belgium
15


17
Latvia
14


18
Austria
8




SF2 2012 - Bulgaria loses touch to 10th place



1
Sweden
155


2
Serbia
134


3
Lithuania
89


4
Estonia
76


5
Bosnia and Herzegovina
67


6
Turkey
61


7
Ukraine
60


8
Malta
58


9
Macedonia
53


10
Norway
45


11
Croatia
41


12
Georgia
36


13
Belarus
35


14
Bulgaria
35


15
Portugal
28


16
Slovenia
27


17
Netherlands
23


18
Slovakia
21

rajo
9th June 2012, 21:21
Sadly I cannot measure the impact on the jury vote in 2008 and 2009 .... :(

There are no split vote results available on the Internet.

AdelAdel
9th June 2012, 23:48
So, as we can see, there would be some changes (not much though), but the biggest one is obviously the winner of the 2004 final, which would be Serbia-Montenegro instead of Ukraine.

Yamarus
10th June 2012, 00:19
Sadly I cannot measure the impact on the jury vote in 2008 and 2009 .... :(

There are no split vote results available on the Internet.

In 2008 the juries were only back-up in both the semis and the final.
In 2009 the juries were back-up in semis (+ joker) and 50% in the final.
From 2010 onward the juries have 50% in both the semis and the final.

rajo
10th June 2012, 01:31
Would it make more sense if only the countries that qualified for the final could vote in it? I believe that it cut significantly the diaspora/bloc voting and the contest wouldn't be so predictable anymore.
What do you think?

I also think so. And although I am an Austrian, and we always struggle with qualifying, I am not too keen on voting for a song.

But I am also not a typical Eurovision fan. I am more into statistics, not into the songs, which I find mostly horrible and even worse than mainstream pop.

rajo
10th June 2012, 01:34
Also, I would suggest a new allocation scheme for the semifinals. The Top 18/19/20 in terms of qualifying in the past should all go into one semifinal, and the unluckiest half of participants so far should also go into one semifinal. This would also balance the chances for qualifying.

94ayd
10th June 2012, 10:46
Even though the finalists' vote seems to benefit Bulgaria most of the time, I would definitely say "No" to this suggestion. ;)