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escYOUnited
27th April 2012, 04:10
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Miguel
27th April 2012, 08:28
First! xcheer

I just wish we send a dance-pop or power pop entry in 2013. xcrossed But I'm all open to any other good act/song. A rock entry would be interesting too. :)

Jukica
27th April 2012, 15:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpn6pazqZVs

Hoping for sth. like this xcheer

sannerz
27th April 2012, 15:28
Anything by Andrej Babic. :D

Miguel
27th April 2012, 17:52
@Jukica Me too. Something upbeat would be great. That song has a latin flavour. Anyway, I wouldn't mind an electro song.

Jukica
27th April 2012, 19:19
@Jukica Me too. Something upbeat would be great. That song has a latin flavour. Anyway, I wouldn't mind a electro song.

Sth. like Senhora do mar would be great too :D

Charly
27th April 2012, 19:54
Anything Fado :D

mono
28th April 2012, 02:58
we should send something like this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BV1BqNUsuI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJqMBbbNMt4&feature=related

we would top de charts, believe me!

Matt
28th April 2012, 06:04
I agree with mono. I'd love to see some contemporary Portuguese music at ESC

CPV4931
28th April 2012, 12:46
I agree with mono. I'd love to see some contemporary Portuguese music at ESC

Indeed... Portugiese music can also be beautiful without being traditional, as the examples are showing.

mono
28th April 2012, 14:41
the problem with RTP is that they show europe whats NOT happening in portuguese music at the moment. Fado, i agree and we should send it again in the future but i also think its important to show the world the modern stuff we make.

mono
28th April 2012, 14:45
i also think Buraka Som Sistema would be AWESOME


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoIBJl-UxD0

Sean
28th April 2012, 17:45
Why not MAU?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rED3BzQKB3U

Although that may be difficult as I believe there are 5 nationalities in MAU :lol:

r3gg13
28th April 2012, 18:49
Can we have kuduro? I think Europe will love that :D

Miguel
28th April 2012, 20:00
Can we have kuduro? I think Europe will love that :D


LMAO. r3gg13, you crack me up. Kuduro???? Hum....I'm not sure. :lol:

r3gg13
29th April 2012, 01:01
LMAO. r3gg13, you crack me up. Kuduro???? Hum....I'm not sure. :lol:

Tbh, Kuduro isn't my favorite genre, but I have a feeling it can do well. Especially if there are good dancers :mrgreen:

Also, if Portugal is sticking with the ballad route, you should send Tony Carreira!!

Amor Electro would be great too, for something a little different :)

Miguel
29th April 2012, 01:40
Tbh, Kuduro isn't my favorite genre, but I have a feeling it can do well. Especially if there are good dancers :mrgreen:

Also, if Portugal is sticking with the ballad route, you should send Tony Carreira!!

Amor Electro would be great too, for something a little different :)

Tony Carreira is too big for Eurovision. His son - David Carreira - would be a better and the most appropriate choice, for sure. Amor Electro - great fado pop, I like it. And no more ballads. 2010 was enough. Another ballad in 2017 or something. :lol:

r3gg13
30th April 2012, 06:30
Tony Carreira is too big for Eurovision. His son - David Carreira - would be a better and the most appropriate choice, for sure. Amor Electro - great fado pop, I like it. And no more ballads. 2010 was enough. Another ballad in 2017 or something. :lol:

:lol: :lol:. I'll wait for 2017 then :lol:

I would love to see David too, it would be awesome to have something modern and dancey from Portugal. Ana Duarte would be great as well, at least for me :D

Miguel
1st May 2012, 03:08
:lol: :lol:. I'll wait for 2017 then :lol:

I would love to see David too, it would be awesome to have something modern and dancey from Portugal. Ana Duarte would be great as well, at least for me :D

Mickael Carreira would be interesting too. He's like our 90s Enrique Iglesias. Latin pop could do well. :D

Seriously, I have big faith in our next year's entry. No more music themes. Festival da Canção needs to be ecletic again. And I hope they dismiss the juries but RTP would never. :geek:

Miguel
3rd May 2012, 06:23
RTP should select an entry internally and that's it. This is my wish list (LOL):

Amor Electro (pop, rock, alternative)
http://db3.stb.s-msn.com/i/57/5C23D8126FF3971E63819FCD86BBE.jpg

David Carreira (dance-pop)
http://multimedia.fnac.pt/multimedia/PT/images_produits/PT/ZoomPE/4/2/8/5603850111824.JPG?201110112025

The Gift (electronic pop, soft rock, alternative)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qCwEaFNhEgs/Rt0aTmkNjuI/AAAAAAAAAR4/z64iSwXYhfA/s400/theGift_facil+de+entender.jpg

Miguel
6th May 2012, 01:08
Another interesting act:

Expensive Soul (funk, soul, hip-hop)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_v9Inc-eY39A/SPDW8PF6N1I/AAAAAAAABOw/3J267StyrIY/s400/Expensive_Soul.jpg

Too bad the best acts don't give a damn about Eurovision.

Somebody
7th May 2012, 22:05
Flor-de-Lis.

Miguel
8th May 2012, 16:29
Flor-de-Lis.

I will never understand why so many people like them. I remember I was not happy when they won Festival da Canção in 2009. :lol:

r3gg13
9th May 2012, 07:48
I will never understand why so many people like them. I remember I was not happy when they won Festival da Canção in 2009. :lol:

I love them :oops:. For me, they are like Portugal in musical form, from a view of a foreigner. :D

Somebody
9th May 2012, 12:57
I love them :oops:. For me, they are like Portugal in musical form, from a view of a foreigner. :D

^^ Same here.

handeyener
10th May 2012, 04:36
I´m looking forward to something more uptempo like David Carreira!!

dizzydjc
10th May 2012, 12:41
I want to see a top 5 placing for Portugal sometime in my life

DanielLuis
13th May 2012, 02:48
RTP should select an entry internally and that's it. This is my wish list (LOL):

Amor Electro (fado pop)
http://db3.stb.s-msn.com/i/57/5C23D8126FF3971E63819FCD86BBE.jpg

David Carreira (dance-pop)
http://multimedia.fnac.pt/multimedia/PT/images_produits/PT/ZoomPE/4/2/8/5603850111824.JPG?201110112025

The Gift (electronic pop, soft rock, alternative)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qCwEaFNhEgs/Rt0aTmkNjuI/AAAAAAAAAR4/z64iSwXYhfA/s400/theGift_facil+de+entender.jpg
Aurea (soul, jazz-pop)
http://www.musicadeportugal.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/aurea1.jpg
:D:D:D

handeyener
15th May 2012, 19:51
Maybe internal selection could archieve a better place (taking the example of Macedonia this year)

Miguel
25th May 2012, 21:19
I changed my mind. Dear RTP, hope some of you read this. Time to withdraw. The contest (now more than ever) is more about borders than music. That's what I felt after watching SF 2, on Thursday. Take Italy as an example and let people miss Portugal.

DanielLuis
27th May 2012, 17:43
The problem about Eurovision in Portugal is that RTP seems to despise it! While in most of the countries ESC is the most watched show in Portugal its not! RTP does almost no promotion, its so stupid! Euphoria is in the top 10 of every single european country itunes except for Italy and guess who...Portugal! Its so sad!

Miguel
27th May 2012, 19:39
The problem about Eurovision in Portugal is that RTP seems to despise it! While in most of the countries ESC is the most watched show in Portugal its not! RTP does almost no promotion, its so stupid! Euphoria is in the top 10 of every single european country itunes except for Italy and guess who...Portugal! Its so sad!

RTP doesn't care about ESC but it's not their fault. Portuguese people lost interest in this contest. When you got bad results after bad results, what would you expect? Can people understand that?
And regarding iTunes positions, it's all a matter of taste. Our nation didn't enjoy the winning song much (3 points).
I didn't enjoy it myself, so who cares?

Yamarus
27th May 2012, 23:11
RTP doesn't care about ESC but it's not their fault. Portuguese people lost interest in this contest. When you got bad results after bad results, what would you expect? Can people understand that?

It doesn't explain everything. Belgium has had appalling results during the course of the Contest, but it's always been pretty popular with the Flemish part. And they're the least successful ones!

Miguel
28th May 2012, 23:53
It doesn't explain everything. Belgium has had appalling results during the course of the Contest, but it's always been pretty popular with the Flemish part. And they're the least successful ones!

Maybe the Belgian people are more the persistent-type of people. :lol: It's all a matter of culture. People here think differently. There is few interest in Eurovision here currently. On Saturday night I missed the grand final to hang out with my friends and I talked about it but they didn't care at all! I think it's the bad results fault and RTP's fault at some extent.

Yamarus
29th May 2012, 16:08
Maybe the Belgian people are more the persistent-type of people. :lol: It's all a matter of culture. People here think differently. There is few interest in Eurovision here currently. On Saturday night I missed the grand final to hang out with my friends and I talked about it but they didn't care at all! I think it's the bad results fault and RTP's fault at some extent.

You're a Eurovision fan and you miss the Grand Final????!!!! :o:o

Miguel
29th May 2012, 16:50
You're a Eurovision fan and you miss the Grand Final????!!!! :o:o

Yes and I don't regret it. :D The semi-finals results were horrible, so I was expecting a very bad final. Furthermore, Filipa Sousa was out of the competition so I lost interest (I was still rooting for Norway, Ireland and Lithuania). I hope 2013 edition don't be so tragic as 2012.

DanielLuis
29th May 2012, 17:32
RTP doesn't care about ESC but it's not their fault. Portuguese people lost interest in this contest. When you got bad results after bad results, what would you expect? Can people understand that?
And regarding iTunes positions, it's all a matter of taste. Our nation didn't enjoy the winning song much (3 points).
I didn't enjoy it myself, so who cares?
Not really, afterall The Netherlands dont qualify since 2004 and ESC is just a case of sucess there year after year. RTP just doesnt promote the show enough here in Portugal and it seems tha they really dont care about it! Did you know that even SIC made a news article about Sweden winning and RTP didnt even talked about it after the show!
Anyway at least "Euphoria" is now in the portuguese top ten and I just hope it reaches number one and becomes very popular cuse that way when people hear it came from ESC they'll like the show more I suppode.

CypriotGirl
31st May 2012, 21:56
Lucenzo!!!!!!!

Btw, songs in Portuguese do great in charts, last year's big hit was "Ai Se Eu Te Pego" which is Brazilian, so why not Portugal trying to send something similar to this style?

David Carreira would be great too!!

Just not another fado-ballad with old-fashioned style (no matter how much I liked this year's entry, and also Senhora do Mar)!

Something like the entry of 2007 would be awesome too!

theCONWEL
3rd June 2012, 00:06
Rita Redshoes or this girl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFZeN7mwdQY

Vanessa :)

NemesisNick
3rd June 2012, 13:26
Does Portugal really need to sing in Portuguese?

Why doesn't Portugal try singing their entire song in English in the 2013 Eurovision Song Contest? That way they might stand a chance of qualifying to the final and winning for the first time since their debut entry in 1964.

Since the introduction of the free language rule in 1999, every winner (bar 2004 and 2007) has been entirely in English.

mono
5th June 2012, 22:36
So this is a brand new girlsband from portugal. all of them were part of idolos ( the portuguese version of american idol) and i think they would be great in esc! what do you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3szI6f0KIGA#!

Miguel
5th June 2012, 22:56
It's time for a man to represent us. Withdraw or a boy, please.

mono
5th June 2012, 23:11
it dosent matter if its a boy or a girl. just send a good song thats all i ask

Marie Jane
6th June 2012, 00:26
I want Rui Andrade, please. But i can't see him trying again next year. :(

daniels1000
6th June 2012, 10:46
I want Rui Andrade, please. But i can't see him trying again next year. :(

Yes,that would be great choice,I think.

CypriotGirl
7th June 2012, 22:47
Another interesting act:

Expensive Soul (funk, soul, hip-hop)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_v9Inc-eY39A/SPDW8PF6N1I/AAAAAAAABOw/3J267StyrIY/s400/Expensive_Soul.jpg

Too bad the best acts don't give a damn about Eurovision.

I like these guys, they are cool! I remember I liked a song of them from last year, don't remember the title now!

CypriotGirl
7th June 2012, 23:29
So this is a brand new girlsband from portugal. all of them were part of idolos ( the portuguese version of american idol) and i think they would be great in esc! what do you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3szI6f0KIGA#!

Hmm, they are interesting, but girls band never do well in ESC. Remember Feminnem, No Angels...

Miguel
8th June 2012, 02:50
I'd love if Expensive Soul or David Carreira represent us. The problem is that Eurovision is irrelevant in Portugal (for known reasons) and no big act cares much about it.

RTP should just select internally a big act and then a nice song. But since they are addicted to Festival da Canção it won't ever happen. This tired formula (national final, unknown singers, juries) must be changed in 2013. It's not working, even though we came 13th place in the SF (LOL!). If they want to keep those juries to choose more Disney ballads, well, withdrawal seems to be the best option. Money shouldn't be wasted like that.

I'm a withdrawal supporter, but I'm curious about what RTP will do about this. And they better send a man next time.

Marie Jane
8th June 2012, 03:24
David Carreira? He can't sing. :o :lol: His brother Mickael would be a better choice.

Miguel
8th June 2012, 16:33
Mickael would be also a good choice. But David can sing and his voice is nice and soft. He just moves and dances a lot. :lol:

mono
8th June 2012, 21:36
Hmm, they are interesting, but girls band never do well in ESC. Remember Feminnem, No Angels...

if lordi and ell and nikki won then i think a girls/boy band can also. the only problem is the song, for example in 2010 feminem failed 2010 and i was truly shocked cause i thought they were amazing, but no angels were awfull. they had a great song but the ruined it live.

Yamarus
8th June 2012, 22:58
Hmm, they are interesting, but girls band never do well in ESC. Remember Feminnem, No Angels...

They do much better than boy bands though.

Switzerland 2005
Russia 2007

Miguel
14th June 2012, 00:38
I'm not a big fan of pop groups in Eurovision either. I prefer a male singer next time.

A-lister
14th June 2012, 01:04
They do much better than boy bands though.

Switzerland 2005
Russia 2007

Don't forger Russia 2012 :lol:

However, Russia 2007 out of these are probably the only conventional girl-band.

mono
15th June 2012, 14:00
new song by Filipa Azevedo (2010)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kGHorZYgT4E

Marie Jane
15th June 2012, 20:39
Humm, i don't like much.

A-lister
16th June 2012, 19:41
Humm, i don't like much.

Agree, it sounds homemade and that her voice is copy-pasted on the background.

Miguel
19th June 2012, 02:10
I want male music in this thread and in Eurovision. Girls had their chance to represent us. :D

Somebody
20th June 2012, 17:05
Is it true that Nelly Furtado with song "Força" was considered to represent Portugal at the Eurovision Song Contest 2004????????? :O :O
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%A7a

I did'nt know that!

A-lister
20th June 2012, 20:19
Is it true that Nelly Furtado with song "Força" was considered to represent Portugal at the Eurovision Song Contest 2004????????? :O :O
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%A7a

I did'nt know that!

I read that some place before, would have been a great Portuguese entry. If true, it's just as depressing as BBC apparently would have turned down Katie Melua in favor of some crap.

I dunno what these broadcasters think about some time?

Maybe Portugal should try a song in that style next year? Could be great. Nelly's new project is flopping, maybe she's up for the idea of representing Portugal in Eurovision?

mono
22nd June 2012, 00:40
no thats false! i never heard of that! The song was released in June when euro 2004 started. RTP held the national final with the top 3 finalist of the portuguese version of Operacion Triunfo in February. Nelly Furtado was never considered to represent Portugal in eurovision.

evilperson
23rd June 2012, 00:07
Is it true that Nelly Furtado with song "Força" was considered to represent Portugal at the Eurovision Song Contest 2004????????? :O :O
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%A7a

I did'nt know that!

That's definitely false.


Nelly's new project is flopping, maybe she's up for the idea of representing Portugal in Eurovision?

Her new project has barely started, she has released one single and it has been moderately successful.

There's no real reason for her to take the time out of her career to do ESC at this time. Maybe down the line if her career really takes a turn for the worst.

Emreign
23rd June 2012, 11:59
Will we listen a Canta pormim style song from PORTUGAL? Please choose a best one

Miguel
24th June 2012, 00:28
Is it true that Nelly Furtado with song "Força" was considered to represent Portugal at the Eurovision Song Contest 2004????????? :O :O
Força - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%A7a)

I did'nt know that!

It was just a rumour, I guess. But I wouldn't mind being represented by Nelly at all. xup

A-lister
24th June 2012, 02:59
Her new project has barely started, she has released one single and it has been moderately successful.

There's no real reason for her to take the time out of her career to do ESC at this time. Maybe down the line if her career really takes a turn for the worst.

'Moderately successful' I'd say is a bit exaggerating, but that's subjective.

I like Nelly, she's actually one of my favorite artists, all her albums have been great up to date and I also like her new stuff... however, it really seems it's not going anywhere. Of course, we will have to wait and see... but I'm afraid the new project is destined to flop.

So with that in mind... why not Eurovision? :)

evilperson
24th June 2012, 04:05
'Moderately successful' I'd say is a bit exaggerating, but that's subjective.

I like Nelly, she's actually one of my favorite artists, all her albums have been great up to date and I also like her new stuff... however, it really seems it's not going anywhere. Of course, we will have to wait and see... but I'm afraid the new project is destined to flop.

So with that in mind... why not Eurovision? :)

It has gotten into the charts which is good enough for what it is. I think it's a risky song to put out nowadays with all of the electro-dance autotune "hits" out there. Her next single could be better and the album hasn't been released yet so indeed we will have to wait and see.

I'd like to see her in ESC as well but realistically the chances are slim. She has international fame and even if this album is less successful, she'll still be able to play off her past successes and she could bounce back eventually like she did before.

I think the only way she would end up in ESC is if she would just like to represent Portugal for the sake of linking herself to her heritage but career-wise it wouldn't make sense for her to do it.

A-lister
24th June 2012, 15:54
It has gotten into the charts which is good enough for what it is. I think it's a risky song to put out nowadays with all of the electro-dance autotune "hits" out there. Her next single could be better and the album hasn't been released yet so indeed we will have to wait and see.

I'd like to see her in ESC as well but realistically the chances are slim. She has international fame and even if this album is less successful, she'll still be able to play off her past successes and she could bounce back eventually like she did before.

I think the only way she would end up in ESC is if she would just like to represent Portugal for the sake of linking herself to her heritage but career-wise it wouldn't make sense for her to do it.

Yeah, we'll see... Actually, it was quite a while since she had some real success, I guess her breaks may actually be a bit too long for this fast moving business. Her Spanish language album sort of failed (and I mean in the markets it was aimed for), and Loose was like.. 6 years ago or something?

Well, I meant more like if her project flops, she might have some time over and yeah, I could actually see her doing this as a 'bonding with roots' thing actually.

Knubelznarm
25th June 2012, 14:56
Honestly, I think this country is hopeless in Eurovision-context.

r3gg13
25th June 2012, 20:27
They really need to bring new life to FC or change their selection process all together. FC almost always cranks out fairly middle of the road songs. Portugal has really good songs and artists to offer, it just sucks that we don't get to see it in FC or ESC

DanielLuis
30th June 2012, 22:09
They really need to bring new life to FC or change their selection process all together. FC almost always cranks out fairly middle of the road songs. Portugal has really good songs and artists to offer, it just sucks that we don't get to see it in FC or ESC

Thats exactly my opinion. Portugal is full of new artists with modern great songs but FC doesnt reflect the Portuguese music at all....its just ridicuolous!

r3gg13
9th July 2012, 03:51
Thats exactly my opinion. Portugal is full of new artists with modern great songs but FC doesnt reflect the Portuguese music at all....its just ridicuolous!

I hope our wishes come true :D

NikkiBoy
10th July 2012, 15:33
I don't hope they withdraw, but in the future i think they will..
They send us portugiesse song.

Miguel
28th July 2012, 01:11
Still no confirmation which doesn't mean anything. RTP staff always does it later. They won't withdraw, no matter what. :lol:

A-lister
28th July 2012, 16:42
I don't hope they withdraw, but in the future i think they will..
They send us portugiesse song.

Yes, they are Portugal so what's wrong with sending Portuguese songs? Or you think they should do as the rest and send Swedish wannabe American stuff? :?

NikkiBoy
28th July 2012, 18:48
Yes, they are Portugal so what's wrong with sending Portuguese songs? Or you think they should do as the rest and send Swedish wannabe American stuff? :?
Wow wow WOW - relax. I just say that you have a better chance to win in English? Why so mad?

A-lister
28th July 2012, 19:17
Wow wow WOW - relax. I just say that you have a better chance to win in English? Why so mad?

I'm not mad, the Portuguese people should be though since you're dissing their language lol

And it's not just about winning, I find that a narrow mindset... then we would have a very boring ESC with just sound-a-like songs.

Archer
28th July 2012, 19:25
I expect something like 2007. That kind of style really fits in Portugal :D

A-lister
28th July 2012, 19:34
I expect something like 2007. That kind of style really fits in Portugal :D

Hmm, but they didn't even manage to the final with that one? Contrary to 2008-2009 (which were some of the best they sent in years, especially 2009).

Archer
28th July 2012, 19:42
Hmm, but they didn't even manage to the final with that one? Contrary to 2008-2009 (which were some of the best they sent in years, especially 2009).

Yes, it was such a shame that they didn't make it. I'd like to see that kind of style again in native language of course :)

A-lister
28th July 2012, 19:52
Yes, it was such a shame that they didn't make it. I'd like to see that kind of style again in native language of course :)

I thought the song was ok-ish but a bit flat and dated, in an updated stronger version maybe.

CC92
28th July 2012, 23:04
^^^ With the current two-semifinals-system it would of made it. I loved it, too.

NikkiBoy
28th July 2012, 23:28
I'm not mad, the Portuguese people should be though since you're dissing their language lol

And it's not just about winning, I find that a narrow mindset... then we would have a very boring ESC with just sound-a-like songs.
I like portugiesse, i just say "If they will win" send us a meaningsfull song! I don't get 2009 and 2011.. Sorry.
But i like that ESC can show us every culture from each country. In the music!

Miguel
28th August 2012, 00:27
Apparently, RTP will be concessioned (I really don't know if this is the correct term in English, sorry). I mean, it's being partially privatized for some years. I'm not sure how this will affect Portugal's participation in ESC. I don't believe they'll withdraw, to be honest. Maybe things will change.

evija87
30th August 2012, 02:40
Hopefully, I mean Portugal has been sending good stuff recently (minus 2011) but maybe some bigger name is needed. I don't know if would help. Hard to say. Giving it a try would a good option.
Nelly Furtado is a great dream, but still a dream only...
Anyway... for a male act I would like to see Rui Andrade or David Fonseca.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJTYcSM1Hs
xlove
I dunno, maybe he's too good too and won't be appreciated as well.

EurovisionSmile
30th August 2012, 03:03
I'm starting to believe for the reasons that were mentioned by Miguel, that there won't be Portugal in the context in 2013 xshrug

VikingTiger
30th August 2012, 14:15
I would hate to see Portugal withdraw. I am still dreaming of one day going to Lisboa for the grand finals... I would love to see Portugal high on the score list for once. Maybe with some more "brasilian flavour" Portugal could do well?

EurovisionSmile
30th August 2012, 14:19
I wouldn't like it either, Tiger, but I really don't believe we will take part in the next context with all these confusing things happening: economic problems and public channel being privatized ... :?

Jim
30th August 2012, 23:29
The things in Greece are even worst than Portugal and Greece still participates and will be in Malmo too. I don't believe that Portugal will withdraw and of course I don't want it. I like the Portuguese music so much! :)

ItalianEurofan
31st August 2012, 17:34
The things in Greece are even worst than Portugal and Greece still participates and will be in Malmo too. I don't believe that Portugal will withdraw and of course I don't want it. I like the Portuguese music so much! :)
Greece has confirmed!? o.0


I hope that if Portugal were to participate in 2013 it will send a strong song. All the songs sent by Portugal in recent years were weak and not suitable for an Eurovision grand final.

Jukica
1st September 2012, 16:59
I hope that if Portugal were to participate in 2013 it will send a strong song. All the songs sent by Portugal in recent years were weak and not suitable for an Eurovision grand final.
I liked Portugese ESC 2012 entry, didn't like ESC 2011 entry, 2010 and 2009 were ok, but Senhora do mar is still my fave Portugese entry (I'm still sorry for Canta Por Mim not winning on Portugese NF :(:() :D

Miguel
6th September 2012, 03:07
RTP's situation is so messy at the moment. :? There's a new administration. However, I still don't see how can this affect Portugal's participation, since there is a particular staff which handles Eurovision stuff. And like Jim said above, Greece is in a worse financial condition than Portugal and they keep participating. There's plenty of time until then. I hope there's news about it this year, though.

Impressive
6th September 2012, 10:37
RTP's situation is so messy at the moment. :? There's a new administration. However, I still don't see how can this affect Portugal's participation, since there is a particular staff which handles Eurovision stuff. And like Jim said above, Greece is in a worse financial condition than Portugal and they keep participating. There's plenty of time until then. I hope there's news about it this year, though.

May be they care also about results?

Charly
6th September 2012, 15:40
What are the RTP TV ratings from 2012?

Miguel
6th September 2012, 23:30
What are the RTP TV ratings from 2012?

Good question. RTP's ratings were pretty messed up at that time. GfK, a market research organisation, didn't do their job properly. There was a big confusion surrounding TV ratings some months ago. :lol: Therefore, it's not a surprise SF 2 getting the worst Eurovision rating ever here (share: 18,6%). :lol: My point is: people were not interested in Eurovision, but not that much. xrofl3
However, ratings would not be the problem because they are not huge since a long time ago. The only issue is the possible concession.

Miguel
3rd October 2012, 00:37
Forgot to post this.

Eurovision Concert Portugal

Last Saturday the 8th of September we had the pleasure of attending the Eurovision Live Concert in Setubal, Portugal, where we met many artists that have participated in the Eurovision Song Contest over the years. In the attached video you can check out some of the performances from the concert.

An impressive list of artists performed on Saturday the 8th of September at the 2012 Eurovision Live Concert in Portugal. This concert took place for the fourth year in a row at the José Afonso Auditorium in Setubal and it featured performances not only by Eurovision Song Contest artists but also Portuguese artists that tried to represent their country in the European competition.

Among the performing artists there was Niamh Kavanagh, Irish winner of the 1993 Eurovision Song Contest with In Your Eyes and selected as the performer for Ireland again in 2010 with It's For You. Also on stage in Setubal we met Eleftheria Eleftheriou, this year's Greek Aphrodisiac, the Swiss band Sinplus that rocked Baku and Setubal with Unbreakable, and the Dutch Joan Franka, who sang You & Me in the Second Semi-Final this year.

You can watch some excerpts of their Setubal experience in our following videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10B11PUGhcU&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LaF-H9Wp1s&feature=channel&list=UL

evilperson
7th October 2012, 14:18
Yeah, we'll see... Actually, it was quite a while since she had some real success, I guess her breaks may actually be a bit too long for this fast moving business. Her Spanish language album sort of failed (and I mean in the markets it was aimed for), and Loose was like.. 6 years ago or something?

Well, I meant more like if her project flops, she might have some time over and yeah, I could actually see her doing this as a 'bonding with roots' thing actually.

You were right, her album royally flopped. Maybe she would consider ESC now... :lol:

Nikkita
8th October 2012, 13:25
I really wanna see Portugal at Eurovision but not with a pop song in English,agreed they need to do something different but in their own beautiful language.

wyq614
8th October 2012, 23:18
Eurovision without Portuguese language will not be the same, although sometimes they didn't qualify.

Jim
8th October 2012, 23:20
I like so much the Portuguese entries, especially in the latest years (except 2011)! :)

alca
4th November 2012, 16:35
I was playing SongPop on facebook today. I bought the Brega Hits playlist (under the brazilian flag) and a song called "Me Libera" came up! I listened to it on youtube and I totally loved it! I looked up the group (Banda Djavú) and I think they're Portuguese. Can someone confirm it please? Oh and I found 2 videos of the song but with different singers... Why is that?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvB7G2PaqBA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPjYMc-sgzI

DanielLuis
15th November 2012, 21:15
So Portugal is one of the only 2 countries that took part last year who haven't said anything yeat about ESC2013. Things are not looking great :/

CC92
17th November 2012, 00:13
So Portugal is one of the only 2 countries that took part last year who haven't said anything yeat about ESC2013. Things are not looking great :/

I think eventually they will be in but at the moment EBU needs to do a lot of 'persuading'. :)

dragvision
17th November 2012, 08:07
they all tell when chosen the date for the festival do cancao

alca
22nd November 2012, 20:21
CONFIRMED: PORTUGAL WITHDRAWS FROM EUROVISION (http://oikotimesofficial.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/confirmed-portugal-withdraws-from-eurovision/)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! xcryxcryxcryxcryxcryxcry

Matt
22nd November 2012, 20:30
This is the biggest shocker....I'm at a loss for words :(

CC92
22nd November 2012, 20:31
Pity but they have pretty much always been treated unfairly in Eurovision.

Cooler
22nd November 2012, 20:32
Dafuq?! :(

dragvision
22nd November 2012, 20:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X533UHd_-x0

Mickey
22nd November 2012, 20:35
More saddened by this than by Poland. Not because of any great love for the Portuguese entries, but because there was something noble about Portugal's perseverance with ESC despite perennial failure.

Jim
22nd November 2012, 20:54
So disappointing decision from Portugal. Greece has less money and will take part in Malmo! And Portugal is one of my most favorite countries of the contest in the last years! I will miss Portugal! :(

CypriotGirl
22nd November 2012, 20:58
Are you kidding me? xcry

QwaarJet
22nd November 2012, 21:02
Can't say I blame them. They never get a fair shot at ESC. The results are just too bad to justify staying in.

Having said all that, I'm still shocked. This is big news.

randajad
22nd November 2012, 21:04
xshock It could not be. It is a lie. I reject to believe in this. xcryxbeee

Trece
22nd November 2012, 21:06
oh nooooooooooooooooooooo
xgaah SOOC:cry::cry:

One of the best Eurovision countries for me, I can't to believe! :cry::cry::cry:

I am ready to sacrifice half of the countries, if only to Portugal participated

94ayd
22nd November 2012, 21:07
One less beautiful European language represented then. :(

daniels1000
22nd November 2012, 21:09
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


I totally didn't expect that :/ xshock xshock xshock xcry1

CypriotGirl
22nd November 2012, 21:10
I don't know what to think now. I'm sad and I will miss Portugal, it's a country that most of the times sent decent songs and I liked many of their entries. Perhaps a break for only a year will be good for them to prepare for something good? :?

But what if they decide to withdraw forever? :o

Matt
22nd November 2012, 21:11
I don't think there is such a thing as forever, in Portugal's case particular. They said that they're not ruling out a 2014 participation.

Jonaxh
22nd November 2012, 21:11
I'm sad... I remember our (if we can call it...) glory days from the 90's (Dulce Ponte - Lusitana Paixão; Anabela - A cidade; Sara Tavares - Chamar a música; Lúcia Moniz - O meu coração não tem cor) and recently (except Homens da Luta of course) I felt that the quality of the songs was as good or even better! And now SNAP! Punch in the face!!! No Malmo for us... :(

Well, let's hope to be back in 2014 and please Europe, if the song is good, give us the deserved points!

Jim
22nd November 2012, 21:12
But what if they decide to withdraw forever? :o

No, don't say this...I don't want to hear!!! :( xshrugxcry

TheLuflee
22nd November 2012, 21:17
xcry

randajad
22nd November 2012, 21:20
I am very very sad right now. I just hope that it is not forever. xcry

EscGeek
22nd November 2012, 21:26
http://i.imgur.com/SnLaj.jpg

Kryptonite
22nd November 2012, 21:27
Oh God, news about Poland's withdrawal didn't shock me, because it was pretty expected, but Portugal ... I can't believe it! :(

I mean, the rumours were around for quite some time now, but I thought that it'll all sort out and that Portugal will participate! :(

evija87
22nd November 2012, 21:28
Now this make me more sad than our withdrawl:( I am surprised even though I read that there is such possibility but I didn't think it was that real. It's very sad because Portugal not only has sent good songs over the years but also sung in their language most of the time. That is precious and will be missed.
Really hope to see you back Portugal - keep my fingers crossed for your comeback.

A-lister
22nd November 2012, 21:28
NOOOO ! xcry

I know they're in crisis, but I actually didn't expect Portugal to withdraw as they have never done such a thing before :(

Also they have been very respectful to the concept of Eurovision, mostly sending entries in Portuguese or partly in Portuguese when most countries sold out... this means one less native language to be heard in Eurovision xcry

TheLuflee
22nd November 2012, 21:31
I'll totally miss ::pt One of my all-time fave esc countries xcry1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB0hHIfTu6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi37ynXvvQw
The Best portuguese entries ever xcry

EscGeek
22nd November 2012, 21:34
It seems like I'm the only one who doesn't give a sheet in what language are they singing :rolleyes:

A-lister
22nd November 2012, 21:44
It seems like I'm the only one who doesn't give a sheet in what language are they singing :rolleyes:

Well, that's truly your loss then. You miss a whole world of amazing music and beautiful languages, and you also miss the very concept of Eurovision (representing your country and the language is a very important thing here).

Whether one agree or not, I have alot of respect for countries who dare to stay genuine and not sell out for some easy extra points (and as apparent in 2012, it's not even a given that English will give you a better results anyways).

chontono
22nd November 2012, 21:45
Soooo sad at this moment. and you know what happens, you see when they leave but you don´t know when or if they´ll come back :(

anto475
22nd November 2012, 21:46
i heard on tumblr so i came here to cry

but no seriously in the last 5 contests, they've only sent 1 entry i didn't like.
the only bright thing i can pick out of this is that Latvia withdrew in 2009 and Lithuania did in 2010 but they came back with amazing songs so maybe Portugal will do the same (although that was for financial reasons but sure)

EscGeek
22nd November 2012, 21:57
Well, that's truly your loss then. You miss a whole world of amazing music and beautiful languages....
you're wrong! Anri sang in english, but I know many of his songs like "Axali welia","Mieci","Bednieri eri","Tsarsuli gvenatreba","Hava nagila" ... xcrazy :mrgreen:

AdelAdel
22nd November 2012, 22:06
I know they're in crisis, but I actually didn't expect Portugal to withdraw as they have never done such a thing before :(


Actually, they did, in 2002. They had a guaranteed place, but they withdrew, resulting in Latvia taking their place.

DanielLuis
22nd November 2012, 22:27
Well I cant say Im shocked, but Im defentely sad. The worst part is that I bet most people wont even care that much!
Let's hope somehow people actually get sad with this, and RTP returns in 2014, but I think if we'll ever be back with RTP its going to be in 2015 at minimum :cry:

DanielLuis
22nd November 2012, 22:29
So disappointing decision from Portugal. Greece has less money and will take part in Malmo! And Portugal is one of my most favorite countries of the contest in the last years! I will miss Portugal! :(

The problem is not only the money, its that RTP is going to be completely restructures in the next year. Plus, interest is low in Portugal :cry:

BGN
22nd November 2012, 22:33
Another particle of pure class is going away from ESC...let's hope it won't be for very long. :(

Starmania
22nd November 2012, 22:39
Well, TVP and RTP are pile of crap, that's the explanation.

Scooby
22nd November 2012, 22:42
I am very sad. Portugal is one of the few countries that always gives priority to quality in relation to entertainment (except in 2011).

:(

LakZaNokte
22nd November 2012, 22:45
wtf?? :shock:

i so didn't expect this :?

Terence
22nd November 2012, 22:48
Actually, they did, in 2002. They had a guaranteed place, but they withdrew, resulting in Latvia taking their place.

Yeah that... don't remind me of it. Had they been in, maybe we would've had a better winner in 2002 grr

randajad
22nd November 2012, 22:52
Can we have Festival da Canção at least, please?!

Scooby
22nd November 2012, 22:53
I will miss portuguese language very much on next may in Malmo. Its sad that only Serbia and Spain left from countries singing in own language xcry1xcry1xcry1

One of the best ESC moments in history, memorable Vania and Senhora do Mar


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfVori_HmLI

DanielLuis
22nd November 2012, 23:02
I will miss portuguese language very much on next may in Malmo. Its sad that only Serbia and Spain left from countries singing in own language xcry1xcry1xcry1

One of the best ESC moments in history, memorable Vania and Senhora do Mar


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfVori_HmLI

Truly our best entry ever!

alca
22nd November 2012, 23:21
em destaque (http://festivaistv.home.sapo.pt/)
Here is says that Carlos Costa wants to finance Portugal's entry! Obviously with him as the contestant!

DanielLuis
22nd November 2012, 23:25
em destaque (http://festivaistv.home.sapo.pt/)
Here is says that Carlos Costa wants to finance Portugal's entry! Obviously with him as the contestant!

Oh God I prefer we dont take part.

A-lister
22nd November 2012, 23:26
em destaque (http://festivaistv.home.sapo.pt/)
Here is says that Carlos Costa wants to finance Portugal's entry! Obviously with him as the contestant!

Hmm, I have no idea who that is but could it be a possibility for them staying?? xshrug

Jim
22nd November 2012, 23:26
Oh God I prefer we dont take part.

Why do you say this? :(

Jukica
22nd November 2012, 23:26
I'm quite sad for Portugal :( hopefully they'll be back

A-lister
22nd November 2012, 23:27
Oh God I prefer we dont take part.

I was just about to say, would be hilarious if RTP would say no with the argument that "YOU SUCK!" :lol:

Well, I dunno who this person is so I can't really tell, any examples of what he did?

A-lister
22nd November 2012, 23:28
Actually, they did, in 2002. They had a guaranteed place, but they withdrew, resulting in Latvia taking their place.

Really? I didn't know about this tbh, thanx for the info. Why did they withdraw then?

alca
22nd November 2012, 23:30
I was just about to say, would be hilarious if RTP would say no with the argument that "YOU SUCK!" :lol:

Well, I dunno who this person is so I can't really tell, any examples of what he did?

He was in Festival da Canção!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlPTJs80aqU

EDIT: ok he kinda sucks. I don't like his live singing nor the song! :lol:

DanielLuis
22nd November 2012, 23:37
Why do you say this? :(

Because he is absolutely horrible. If Portugal returns it has to be with a great song, and Im sure he wouldnt be the one making it.

I just gave the news to my mom and she said "whatever". Sadly this is the opinion of most portuguese people about eurovision :cry:

A-lister
23rd November 2012, 00:37
He was in Festival da Canção!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlPTJs80aqU

EDIT: ok he kinda sucks. I don't like his live singing nor the song! :lol:

*omg* freak show alert! :lol:

dizzydjc
23rd November 2012, 01:03
I would rather have that Carlos guy enter than lose Portugal altogether.

DannyDS
23rd November 2012, 01:54
*omg* freak show alert! :lol:

xrofl xrofl I know right? :lol:

A-lister
23rd November 2012, 01:55
I would rather have that Carlos guy enter than lose Portugal altogether.

Actually, I'm not sure about that :lol:

DannyDS
23rd November 2012, 01:56
OMG no. I'm still trying to figure out whether it's male or female. http://i.imgur.com/AJUJR.gif

Sabiondo
23rd November 2012, 02:27
Ohh well all my Portuguesse-Venezuelans friends are sad with this news.. in other part also the Spanichs were are too sad, cause no more 12 free points to them :( But i was expect since Europe still in crisis..

Also with ::pt out: Less point to Ukraine, Romania, Russia, etc... in finals..

Narmina
23rd November 2012, 07:16
very sad to hear it ((

GRE
23rd November 2012, 09:45
Portugal is the country that everyone likes,but no one votes for..!
It was a good decision.
45 years in a row,and not only non victory,but even no top5 ! ! ! Is this posible?

AdelAdel
23rd November 2012, 11:23
45 years in a row

Portugal skipped ESC in 1970, 2000, and 2002. So no, no 45 years in a row.

AlbertTv
23rd November 2012, 12:04
This is the saddest news, in my opinion :/ I'll miss them a lot...

NikkiBoy
23rd November 2012, 14:27
Hopefully we will see them in 2014!

Quent91
23rd November 2012, 14:44
Sad news :(

DanielLuis
23rd November 2012, 14:59
Portugal skipped ESC in 1970, 2000, and 2002. So no, no 45 years in a row.
Still, its pretty bad.

EdvinasLTU
23rd November 2012, 15:02
oh noes :/

A-lister
23rd November 2012, 16:16
Portugal skipped ESC in 1970, 2000, and 2002. So no, no 45 years in a row.

Did they actually skip 2000 on purpose? Back then the rules were different, the countries with a lower average points from the previous years would have to skip a year.

DanielLuis
23rd November 2012, 16:59
Did they actually skip 2000 on purpose? Back then the rules were different, the countries with a lower average points from the previous years would have to skip a year.
No they didnt. 2002 was due to internal problems on RTP, the same as this year.

katapult
23rd November 2012, 20:36
This is the saddest news, in my opinion :/ I'll miss them a lot...

Yeah that. :cry:

AdelAdel
23rd November 2012, 20:40
Did they actually skip 2000 on purpose? Back then the rules were different, the countries with a lower average points from the previous years would have to skip a year.

No, in 2000 they were relegated according to rules at that time. In 1970 there was some sort of boycott against 4 countries winning a year earlier. In 2002 they skipped on purpose.

A-lister
23rd November 2012, 20:53
No, in 2000 they were relegated according to rules at that time. In 1970 there was some sort of boycott against 4 countries winning a year earlier. In 2002 they skipped on purpose.

Ok, then I think we can only count 1970 and 2013 then, because the other wasn't a choice on their own.

AdelAdel
23rd November 2012, 20:53
Ok, then I think we can only count 1970 and 2013 then, because the other wasn't a choice on their own.

DanielLuis and I just said that 2002 is just like 2013...

EurovisionSmile
23rd November 2012, 22:08
In 2002 ::pt was not supposed to take part in the contest. However EBU invited RTP to take part in the contest for which reason I don't remember anymore and RTP declined. ::lv came right after ::pt in the ranking they'd made then.

DanielLuis
23rd November 2012, 22:41
In 2002 ::pt was not supposed to take part in the contest. However EBU invited RTP to take part in the contest for which reason I don't remember anymore and RTP declined. ::lv came right after ::pt in the ranking they'd made then.

Yes but the reason was internal problems, pretty much the same as this year's reason.

EurovisionSmile
23rd November 2012, 22:46
Yes but the reason was internal problems, pretty much the same as this year's reason.

Well RTP is a big mess with or without money :lol:

Tinchey
23rd November 2012, 23:06
Aww too bad, I really liked Portugal in the past 5 years. :(

DanielLuis
23rd November 2012, 23:06
Well RTP is a big mess with or without money :lol:
:lol: Sadly that's true

DanielLuis
23rd November 2012, 23:10
Do you think there is any chance RTP will still broadcast the event? They did in 2002, but I suppose the interest was bigger than today. Still, I have hope for it!
I think if we look at it, this could be a change to improve the popularity of the contest. In 2003, RTP returned with one of the most popular artists Portugal has (Rita Guerra) and a very strong entry that unfortunately ended in an undeserved bad place.
However, if we return in 2014 with a popular act that is able to bring a great song (my hope is still Aurea :) ), we would have a good result and the popularity of the contest would increase a lot! So, this could be a bad thing, that ends up leading to a good one!

Impressive
23rd November 2012, 23:56
Aww too bad, I really liked Portugal in the past 5 years. :(

Especially 2009.

Charly
24th November 2012, 00:54
Cannot blame RTP, Gotta blame the Government of leading RTP Financial Failure.

DanielLuis
24th November 2012, 01:41
Cannot blame RTP, Gotta blame the Government of leading RTP Financial Failure.
You dont know what you're talking about. RTP spends money on ridiculous shows every year that no one cares about, and they freaking keep on doing it.

Charly
24th November 2012, 11:15
and who controls RTP? ;)

BGN
24th November 2012, 14:55
RTP like every other public broadcaster in Europe has independent board which cannot be controlled directly by the governments.
For example in Bulgaria BNT and BNR are controlled by independent from the government institution. In this institution there are media experts and they elect the executive director of BNT and BNR. The same applies for most if not all countries in Europe.

DanielLuis
24th November 2012, 17:56
So RTP has released a press release (http://www.rtp.pt/icmblogs/rtp/comunicacao/?k=NOTA-INFORMATIVA-FESTIVAL-EUROVISAO-DA-CANCAO-2013.rtp&post=42457) today.
In it, they say that because of the lack of money they will try to only keep portugueses productions on their schedule.
However, later they say that they want to invest in shows that give dignity to portuguese artists.
They end the release saying that since they'll have less money in 2013, they want to broadcast shows that bring more dignity, and so Eurovision is not an option :idc:

This probably means that RTP doesnt care about ESC anymore and after that press release I think Portugal wont even return in 2014. I mean, they just said ESC is not good enough to be broadcasted on their channel.

BGN
24th November 2012, 18:40
If there is will, there is also way. Yes, there is crisis, but it's all over Europe. Many nations have difficult times now, but if Europe members don't stick one to each other, the game is definately lost. Eurovision is good way to show that and it's not even expensive for the most of the broadcasters (even Moldova could afford it, and it's neither the country nor the broadcaster that can be called rich).

dragvision
24th November 2012, 18:48
unluky the portguese party want privatise rtp, this mean like Luxemburg, in this little country the governament dont pay nothin, but a curiosity in Portugal your chef is a party of right or left?

Jonaxh
24th November 2012, 19:36
unluky the portguese party want privatise rtp, this mean like Luxemburg, in this little country the governament dont pay nothin, but a curiosity in Portugal your chef is a party of right or left?

Nowadays a right party prime-minister from a government of two right parties together (join together to achieve majority)...

LalehForWD
24th November 2012, 20:16
I'm very sad RTP took this decision. Obviously it's to save money whatever reason they say. One have to understand though, they are perhaps forced to choose between sacking a couple of staff or participate in ESC. Ultimately it is the domestic Portuguese music industry that suffers, losing one of the few means to reach out to Europe with their music (other than the obligatory FADO record bought by tourists). Maybe the Portuguese music industry can cofund a participation in ESC?

VikingTiger
25th November 2012, 16:56
It's very sad that Portugal will not be in Malmø. Portugal has been a very faithful participant throughout the years, even though the results havent been very good. Portugal is the country I will definitely miss the most!
Some people in this (and other) forums are complaining about this years hosts. But I think it is very important to try to keep the costs for the host country down. The Russian and the Azeri shows were both great - but way too expensive for most broadcasters that are participating.
I think that countries like Portugal will be more likely to return if Sweden succeeds in making a great competition in May - but will lower costs.

DanielLuis
25th November 2012, 17:13
I'm very sad RTP took this decision. Obviously it's to save money whatever reason they say. One have to understand though, they are perhaps forced to choose between sacking a couple of staff or participate in ESC. Ultimately it is the domestic Portuguese music industry that suffers, losing one of the few means to reach out to Europe with their music (other than the obligatory FADO record bought by tourists). Maybe the Portuguese music industry can cofund a participation in ESC?

The problem with that is that most of the people dont care about eurovision. So the only way it would be a sucess is if the sponsors would do a giant publicity campagin. And unfortunately I dont think anybody cares enough to do that.

wyq614
25th November 2012, 19:10
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the birth of the Eurovision Song Contest took place just when the European countries got rid of the War and were in process of re-construction. Eurovision served to develop the relations and friendship between the European countries, and encourage people to go forward. Nowadays Europe is facing a severe economic crisis, and the Europeans need more than ever to cheer up. That was what Eurovision all about. So if Eurovision was born for that, the crisis is not an excuse to withdraw, unless the broadcaster cannot even cover the entrance fee.

Matt
25th November 2012, 20:20
Eurovision Song Contest was not forged in the flames of international unity. the contest was set up for the practical purpose of testing the scope of new broadcast technology in the 1950s.

A-lister
26th November 2012, 00:37
Eurovision Song Contest was not forged in the flames of international unity. the contest was set up for the practical purpose of testing the scope of new broadcast technology in the 1950s.

Not only. The whole point with EBU was co-operation and breaking down the barriers between the countries. Actually most of these cross-national European projects are partly 'peace' projects like these.

Matt
26th November 2012, 01:47
Not only. The whole point with EBU was co-operation and breaking down the barriers between the countries. Actually most of these cross-national European projects are partly 'peace' projects like these.

According to Dr Karen Fricker, co-director of the Eurovision Research Network (http://www.eurovisionresearch.net/), the contest was set up for the practical purpose of testing the scope of new broadcast technology in the 1950s.
"The whole gloss we put on it that it's about uniting Europe is actually a misrepresentation," she said. "Eurovision was set up not to unite Europe in song, but to test the latest broadcast technology," she said.
"The EBU needed content so thought, 'Let's create a song contest,'" she said. The contest caught on, and has endured as a reliable ratings hit for the broadcasters of participating nations.

A-lister
26th November 2012, 17:10
According to Dr Karen Fricker, co-director of the Eurovision Research Network (http://www.eurovisionresearch.net/), the contest was set up for the practical purpose of testing the scope of new broadcast technology in the 1950s.
"The whole gloss we put on it that it's about uniting Europe is actually a misrepresentation," she said. "Eurovision was set up not to unite Europe in song, but to test the latest broadcast technology," she said.
"The EBU needed content so thought, 'Let's create a song contest,'" she said. The contest caught on, and has endured as a reliable ratings hit for the broadcasters of participating nations.

I actually wrote EBU though not Eurovision, but I'm pretty sure I read stuff like 'uniting Europe' aswell when it comes to Eurovision, I think it can be find even on the official page.

Nevertheless, whether that's the main goal or not that is what it has become.

Matt
26th November 2012, 17:25
I actually wrote EBU though not Eurovision, but I'm pretty sure I read stuff like 'uniting Europe' aswell when it comes to Eurovision, I think it can be find even on the official page.

Nevertheless, whether that's the main goal or not that is what it has become.

It's a common misconception and even wikipedia has it wrong (go figure). But while it sounds nice having post war Europe re-unite in a song contest, it was all for technical purposes. Fortunately it evolved since then.

A-lister
26th November 2012, 17:28
It's a common misconception and even wikipedia has it wrong (go figure). But while it sounds nice having post war Europe re-unite in a song contest, it was all for technical purposes. Fortunately it evolved since then.

But most of the cross-national European organizations created back then (including the EBU I'm sure) were created as a post-war response.

Matt
26th November 2012, 18:37
Right, I'm merely referring to the contest. Not the associated organizations :)

A-lister
26th November 2012, 18:42
Right, I'm merely referring to the contest. Not the associated organizations :)

I see, but if EBU was created for that reason, one can't really separate ESC from that right? ;)

Matt
26th November 2012, 18:48
Well yes bathe EBU was testing out their broadcast technology. The contest was a tool for that. Their intent was obvious but I'm not taking away anything away from the awesomeness of the contest.

Archer
27th November 2012, 16:01
I don't really get the crisis thing. Is it economically so hard to simply pick up a singer and ask for him/her to compose a song ? or is it just " we can't have fun in a bad mood " :/ but you need to cheer yourself up with entertainment, mourning will not contribute to the solution of the problem.

Matt
27th November 2012, 16:58
Interesting article.

Portugal and Poland drop out because winning would be disaster


READ MORE (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/boombangabust-glitz-of-eurovision-proves-too-costly-for-some-in-age-of-austerity-8348984.html)

A-lister
27th November 2012, 17:30
I don't really get the crisis thing. Is it economically so hard to simply pick up a singer and ask for him/her to compose a song ? or is it just " we can't have fun in a bad mood " :/ but you need to cheer yourself up with entertainment, mourning will not contribute to the solution of the problem.

There's first a fee to enter ESC, then costs for the presentation show and potential promo. The whole problem is that ESC is not free for the broadcaster's, if that was the case we would have no problem.

DanielLuis
27th November 2012, 18:35
I don't really get the crisis thing. Is it economically so hard to simply pick up a singer and ask for him/her to compose a song ? or is it just " we can't have fun in a bad mood " :/ but you need to cheer yourself up with entertainment, mourning will not contribute to the solution of the problem.

Supposesdly the fee RTP has to pay is 200000€. Besides, RTP doesnt care about ESC, and its being privatized with a lot of estructural changes to be made next year. Its not just the crisis.

How many times do I have to say this, omg!

EurovisionSmile
27th November 2012, 18:38
Interesting article.

Portugal and Poland drop out because winning would be disaster


READ MORE (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/boombangabust-glitz-of-eurovision-proves-too-costly-for-some-in-age-of-austerity-8348984.html)

Interesting, Matt, but doesn't the winner have the right to refuse hosting the contest? xhmm

r3gg13
27th November 2012, 18:39
I wanna say that this isn't really a surprise, but it's sad :(

EurovisionSmile
27th November 2012, 18:45
I wanna say that this isn't really a surprise, but it's sad :(

I feel mixed emotions concerning this issue. I mean it's kinda sad not participating in the contest, but it's depressing to see RTP's lack of efforts to make this show interesting to the common viewer, I mean most of the ::pt people don't really care about ESC. :(

Matt
27th November 2012, 19:19
Interesting, Matt, but doesn't the winner have the right to refuse hosting the contest? xhmm

Correct, I'm not claiming the article is accurate but just interesting to read. The winner has the right to refuse hosting duties but it hasn't happened in a long time.

Mickey
27th November 2012, 19:35
I don't think Portugal, of all countries, should be worrying about whether they can afford to host.

EurovisionSmile
27th November 2012, 19:41
I don't think Portugal, of all countries, should be worrying about whether they can afford to host.

I don't even think it's the true issue here. It might be better that way since they've lost interest in the contest long time ago. xshrug

Mickey
27th November 2012, 20:13
I don't even think it's the true issue here. It might be better that way since they've lost interest in the contest long time ago. xshrug

You're right. I was commenting on the article rather than the reality of the situation.

DanielLuis
27th November 2012, 20:36
Interesting article.

Portugal and Poland drop out because winning would be disaster


READ MORE (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/boombangabust-glitz-of-eurovision-proves-too-costly-for-some-in-age-of-austerity-8348984.html)
On another note, have you read the comments in that article? British people are simply a joke when they talk about eurovision.

Matt
27th November 2012, 20:41
On another note, have you read the comments in that article? British people are simply a joke when they talk about eurovision.

It's an article by a non ESC related website so these folks (no offense) have no idea what they're talking about. They just see that UK hasn't been doing too hot these past few years and just excuse it with the "Everybody hates us" cop out. Portugal's withdrawal is incredibly unfortunate but it's not the end of the contest. It happened to many countries and many of the returned, e.g. Austria though they all withdrew for different reasons. Sometimes a time-out can be healthy, in the case of Portugal we just have to wait and see.

Sean
27th November 2012, 21:25
On another note, have you read the comments in that article? British people are simply a joke when they talk about eurovision.

Yeah, sadly any British media article on ESC has those kinds of comments underneath. I was actually quite surprised with these ones, there's normally much more negative stuff than on that article.

DanielLuis
27th November 2012, 21:42
The same happens in Portugal, even though they're not as bad. Yeah, RTP said they would probably enter in 2014. Also, last time we did a time out (2002) we returned witha great song (even though it placed badly), so it can be good.

dezbee2008
28th November 2012, 19:56
Sad to hear they won't take part next year. Their 2012 song was my personal best. Hope they will come back in 2014 with something good.

PeterLPZ
29th November 2012, 18:10
I´m so sad, that Portugal won´t take part. I will miss them a lot. I hope for a return in 2014.

Matt
1st December 2012, 01:35
Maybe there is still hope?

ESCFORUMS.COM - Portugal: IN or OUT of the Eurovision Song Contest? (http://www.escforums.com/content/portugal-out-eurovision-song-contest-312/)

DanielLuis
1st December 2012, 02:02
Maybe there is still hope?

ESCFORUMS.COM - Portugal: IN or OUT of the Eurovision Song Contest? (http://www.escforums.com/content/portugal-out-eurovision-song-contest-312/)

Yep, I had read somewhere about that. Hopefully EBU will let RTP pay lower fines and they will do a internal selection for 2013 with a great artist.

EurovisionSmile
1st December 2012, 02:23
I was actually surprised to find out that no official withdrawal from RTP has been announced! However I don't think the issue here is money. Lack of interest and inspiration instead.

mikept
2nd December 2012, 01:49
Portugal will not take part in ESC 2013, finally we have the right decision of RTP about ESC and I am glad of this! cheers !

mikept
2nd December 2012, 01:50
I hope not...! :lol:

Emreign
2nd December 2012, 12:23
Portugal never join with a brillant song like "canta por mim" so this is the true decision for them.They have a potantial to sending a great songs but they sends a basic ,nothing special songs to ESC.
I hope one day they join with a great pop latin hit !

Hele.
2nd December 2012, 22:27
Portugal never join with a brillant song like "canta por mim" so this is the true decision for them.They have a potantial to sending a great songs but they sends a basic ,nothing special songs to ESC.
I hope one day they join with a great pop latin hit !

This! :D

mikept
4th December 2012, 01:31
Portugal never join with a brillant song like "canta por mim" so this is the true decision for them.They have a potantial to sending a great songs but they sends a basic ,nothing special songs to ESC.
I hope one day they join with a great pop latin hit !

it is so poor what you said! just basics songs?? oh God...you really don´t know the ESC history!!
I am very glad to be out f this contest ( finally)!!

mikept
4th December 2012, 01:32
I´m so sad, that Portugal won´t take part. I will miss them a lot. I hope for a return in 2014.
hope not!! never more!!:D

Matt
4th December 2012, 01:38
hope not!! never more!!:D

Then why are you here?

EurovisionSmile
4th December 2012, 01:43
'Canta por mim' a good song? :? :? Please...

dragvision
4th December 2012, 08:08
my prefered song for esc is Portugal 1989 Conquistador

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tjdDgJgLko
this decade '80 are so happy.

dragvision
4th December 2012, 08:08
my prefered song for esc is Portugal 1989 Conquistador

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tjdDgJgLko
this decade '80 are so happy.

mikept
4th December 2012, 23:17
Then why are you here?

can´t I?? I´m sorry but...I will stay if you agree.....and if not, then I will stay anyway!!

mikept
4th December 2012, 23:26
my prefered song for esc is Portugal 1989 Conquistador

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tjdDgJgLko
this decade '80 are so happy.

yes it is fantastic but also europe didn´t like it...just 36 points and a 16º place.....another injustice like many others Portugal got in ESC, just because the country don´t have any opportunity to have diaspora votes like balcans or ex URSS or North Europe....I am glad to be out of this finally!!

Matt
4th December 2012, 23:40
can´t I?? I´m sorry but...I will stay if you agree.....and if not, then I will stay anyway!!

As long as you obey the board rules


13. This forum is Pro-Eurovision & EBU. While it is okay to share constructive criticism, it is NOT okay to question or boycott the participation of countries if they are eligible to enter the contest.

CC92
5th December 2012, 01:33
^ Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I also would be happy if my country (and some others) pulled out simply because I believe it does the contest more harm than it does enhance it. Am I, who hath ranking lists for all Eurovision years, a hater now that should not have access to this forum? :?

katapult
5th December 2012, 13:51
^
Interesting question...you could make a poll about it. :twisted: :p

Well, we have an ignore list function in this forum; so...sure, even the weirdest opinions are not necessarily a bother (for me, as a user) at the end.

Nevertheless I'd just prefer talking about ESC matters in a constructive way and in an agreeable climate, as I love the contest, that's why I joined this forum - and I find too much negativity "on principle" (so to say) always rather off-putting. xshrug

Talking about music again: I will really miss the Portuguese flair in 2013, I hope the country will be able and willing to join the party again soon.

mikept
6th December 2012, 00:45
^
Interesting question...you could make a poll about it. :twisted: :p

Well, we have an ignore list function in this forum; so...sure, even the weirdest opinions are not necessarily a bother (for me, as a user) at the end.

Nevertheless I'd just prefer talking about ESC matters in a constructive way and in an agreeable climate, as I love the contest, that's why I joined this forum - and I find too much negativity "on principle" (so to say) always rather off-putting. xshrug

Talking about music again: I will really miss the Portuguese flair in 2013, I hope the country will be able and willing to join the party again soon.

thanks but...I really really hope not...The country and RTP broadcast ( public television) can not spend money( money from workers like me which are giving lost of our money to the government) in a contest like this, just because we are here since the beginning even without any winner...on another hand Portugal will never ever win the contest for all the reasons we all know, so, it is may opinion like the opinion of millions of others portuguese´s that the country don´t have conditions to stay in esc....thanks

Matt
6th December 2012, 00:48
Aehm, Portugal hasn't been around since the beginning and only joined in the 60s

dragvision
6th December 2012, 08:29
Festiva do cancao have beautiful songs, but unlaky the portugese chosen the worst song for examaple in the 2006 in Athens have send 5 out of tune, but in the festival don cancao in the 2 place is arrived a wonderful song played by a wonderful girls with 4 wonderful boys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwqIZJuB24

CypriotGirl
8th December 2012, 20:38
yes it is fantastic but also europe didn´t like it...just 36 points and a 16º place.....another injustice like many others Portugal got in ESC, just because the country don´t have any opportunity to have diaspora votes like balcans or ex URSS or North Europe....I am glad to be out of this finally!!

In 1989 there was no televoting, unless you mean the diaspora votes came from the jury! xrofl3

Hele.
8th December 2012, 22:20
I'm very sad ::pt will not take part in this year esc. I think Portugal has had some really nice songs in past but also has some significant mistakes in choosing songs (especially highlight in 2010.). ;)
Let's hope it will be back in 2014. xrunhug

escrazy
9th December 2012, 14:04
I'm very sad ::pt will not take part in this year esc. I think Portugal has had some really nice songs in past but also has some significant mistakes in choosing songs (especially highlight in 2010.). ;)
Let's hope it will be back in 2014. xrunhug

+1
It´s an injustice :(

Fluke
9th December 2012, 14:28
About f-in time, maybe they can come back and actually make some sense.

mikept
12th December 2012, 23:35
In 1989 there was no televoting, unless you mean the diaspora votes came from the jury! xrofl3

You can not talk about what you really don´t know! please take some time studying the results and votes since 1961...of course the contest had diaspora votes since the beginning....and of course even when it had just juries and not televoting!!

mikept
12th December 2012, 23:40
Festiva do cancao have beautiful songs, but unlaky the portugese chosen the worst song for examaple in the 2006 in Athens have send 5 out of tune, but in the festival don cancao in the 2 place is arrived a wonderful song played by a wonderful girls with 4 wonderful boys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwqIZJuB24
you are absolutely right!!

mikept
12th December 2012, 23:41
I'm very sad ::pt will not take part in this year esc. I think Portugal has had some really nice songs in past but also has some significant mistakes in choosing songs (especially highlight in 2010.). ;)
Let's hope it will be back in 2014. xrunhug

I hope not!!

evilperson
13th December 2012, 00:27
I'd like to see them back if RTP decide to take a different approach to the contest and actually send a song worthy of getting a good place. Imo, every result they've gotten has been more or less deserved. Nothing was really outstanding enough to actually win.

We just keep getting the same Portuguese knock offs year after year. They should venture out into new genres. If not, I wont really miss Portugal at all. And if anyone else does, just listen to their ESC history, we probably would've gotten some version of a song they already sent some time ago.

i anixi
12th February 2013, 13:25
I'd like to see them back if RTP decide to take a different approach to the contest and actually send a song worthy of getting a good place. Imo, every result they've gotten has been more or less deserved. Nothing was really outstanding enough to actually win.

We just keep getting the same Portuguese knock offs year after year. They should venture out into new genres. If not, I wont really miss Portugal at all. And if anyone else does, just listen to their ESC history, we probably would've gotten some version of a song they already sent some time ago.

I believe we had a good entry in 2008 which deserved at least a top 5 placement. It was sort of daring in a way, as the subject of death and mourning had never been seen before at ESC. Besides, we were 2nd in the semi and usually when that happens you are always top 10 if not top 5 in the final.

There were also very good entries in 1971 and 1974 but by then I wasn't even born -just, and can't really judge. That waterloo came up in 1974 is the only other thing I know, lol.

Other than that, I totally agree with you. Our participation has been lazy and meek, we haven't taken risks, we haven't surprised and we've stuck to old fornulas which were never fruitful in the first place. Quite incomprehensible. We deserved all we've got, and sometimes a litle less.

Withdrawing after almost 50 years of not even a top 5 for being poor was the cherry on top of the cake as far as gross humilliation is concerned.

toinou03
12th February 2013, 14:13
Portugal is the most underrated country. But I think the main problem of Portuguese entries in the past is that most of them speak about... Portugal or speak to Portuguese... In the 70s most entries were dealing about political situation. And maybe there were songs too sophisticated for Eurovision like "Menina do alto da serra", sublime song written by a true poet. Well 80s weren't that good, like almost every countries, but 90s were full of great entries, Lusitano paixão, A cidade; Chamar a musica, O meu coração não tem cor, Se eu te pudesse abraçar... Which went high.

But Senhora do mar was the cherry on the cake. It should have won back then. It was my favourite.

Actually, I can't imagine problem with Portuguese language as it is so melodious and beautiful, even more beautiful than spanish with vowels modulation and all the "sh" :-) And we love Portugal so much here in France ! Plus, there is a Portuguese "diaspora" but it only made it in the late 90s with us (lol 1999 was... well...)

And it's ironic that Portugal withdraws while the hit of the year is a song in Portuguese (boring though ! :D ) Ai se eu ti pego, and while in any country was sung the Lambada... But it's the same thing with Spain. While the whole world sung "Un dos tres" and all, Spain kept loosing, and sent the one hit band Las Ketchup with a song that can't appeal non spaniards...

Maybe the emerging of Brazil will put Portuguese into glory and will at least make Eurovision en as ruas de Lisboa ! :D

Anyway, we are all missing Portugal here. There even was big newspaper articles dealing with the withdrawal of Portugal, while nobody cared about Turkey ! :D

i anixi
12th February 2013, 16:07
Portugal is the most underrated country. But I think the main problem of Portuguese entries in the past is that most of them speak about... Portugal or speak to Portuguese... In the 70s most entries were dealing about political situation. And maybe there were songs too sophisticated for Eurovision like "Menina do alto da serra", sublime song written by a true poet. Well 80s weren't that good, like almost every countries, but 90s were full of great entries, Lusitano paixão, A cidade; Chamar a musica, O meu coração não tem cor, Se eu te pudesse abraçar... Which went high.

But Senhora do mar was the cherry on the cake. It should have won back then. It was my favourite.

Actually, I can't imagine problem with Portuguese language as it is so melodious and beautiful, even more beautiful than spanish with vowels modulation and all the "sh" :-) And we love Portugal so much here in France ! Plus, there is a Portuguese "diaspora" but it only made it in the late 90s with us (lol 1999 was... well...)

And it's ironic that Portugal withdraws while the hit of the year is a song in Portuguese (boring though ! :D ) Ai se eu ti pego, and while in any country was sung the Lambada... But it's the same thing with Spain. While the whole world sung "Un dos tres" and all, Spain kept loosing, and sent the one hit band Las Ketchup with a song that can't appeal non spaniards...

Maybe the emerging of Brazil will put Portuguese into glory and will at least make Eurovision en as ruas de Lisboa ! :D

Anyway, we are all missing Portugal here. There even was big newspaper articles dealing with the withdrawal of Portugal, while nobody cared about Turkey ! :D

Yes, all those songs you mention from the 90s were quite OK, but not outstandingly so and that's the point. Menina is the entry I was talking about from 1971, and it's really very good, even by today's standards I feel.

Ai si eu ti pego is very Brazillian, there's nothing like that in Portugal. In fact, the only thing Brazillian and Portuguese music have in common is the language really. And even that sounds very different to us :)

I can understand that news of Portugal withdrawal were stronger there than that of Turkey's. After all, Portugal was the older country in ESC and it's closer to you. But Turkey was very much alive in this contest offering almost always valid, interesting and exciting contributions. I for one will miss it a lot.
We were already half dead instead anyway.

NemesisNick
12th February 2013, 19:00
I would like Portugal to return in 2014 with a song that has a realistic chance of qualifying to the final and reaching a top 5 final position. Hopefully even win, if they return and win the final next year 2014, they will have taken 50 years (half a century) to achieve a first time win. My suggestion, try singing entirely in English. Maybe that will help. Most winning songs from 1999 to 2012 inclusive (bar 2004 and 2007) were entirely in English. That, in my opinion, is how Turkey, Greece and Finland managed to get their first time wins after years and years of entering; I bet they'd still never have won had they still been forced to sing in their native languages.