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escYOUnited
27th April 2012, 05:07
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vtOwHHDAFc

Kees
29th April 2012, 18:20
VanVelzen :D

alca
29th April 2012, 21:46
Miss Brandi Russel!

Sim
1st May 2012, 12:05
Some suggestions for my neighbours:

* Gers Pardoel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyTazPPWIKk&ob=av2e

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZRw9NiVUuM&ob=av2e

* Within Temptation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reGlno9aUpw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYeXu7JfYHU&feature=relmfu

* Anouk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RaHTDNude4&ob=av2n

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn_CjkNtl6s&feature=relmfu

* Marco Borsato

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqUTNY-bnLg&ob=av2n

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUsz1_cUe_4&ob=av2n

* Zanger Rinus (would be the joke entry of 2013:lol:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7hoC4GxJWo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCvuCrseI0o&feature=related

and many many others...

A-lister
1st May 2012, 14:54
I've noticed that genuine and nice Netherlands (2010, 2012) has been the best recipe during the past years, don't care much for the rest, so let's bring on a real Dutch schlager shall we? :) Jan Smit was both the host and commentator in 2012, he'd be my first pick. It's cheesy but nice :9

Jan Smit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kprWzZjVYI&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXUsod3d5s&feature=plcp

or why not his sister? :)

Monique Smit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEU0MS82sD4&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1XiWJgB7bY&feature=plcp

as for other styles...

I'd love Anouk or some Dutch club/house music, but something tells me none of those names would be interested :(

Matt
1st May 2012, 22:16
Noooo Dutch Schlager please. It's songs like Sha la lie that gives ESC a bad name. I think the Dutch preselection was very interesting and IMO they should continue with the same or a similar format next year.

A-lister
1st May 2012, 22:49
Noooo Dutch Schlager please. It's songs like Sha la lie that gives ESC a bad name. I think the Dutch preselection was very interesting and IMO they should continue with the same or a similar format next year.

Each to their own, I'd rather have a nice little genuine gem than some annoying cheese ballad they tend to go with. Contrary to popular belief I want more local and more traditional, rather than just one mix of the same. This naturally would also go for the Netherlands.

This year was an ok selection though (as selection system goes), I agree, but most of the songs sucked in it and the juries were almost scr*wing us all over with sending exactly what I wrote in the previous sentence. If it weren't for the public, we wouldn't have Joan and her charming song.

Mozz
6th May 2012, 01:58
Some of the suggestions made here are causing me frowns (and wrinkles)...

I already have an idea who could and will represent my country in 2013. OR perhaps 2014, should 2013 be too early.
I really believe he/she will eventually be chosen, given the sentiment (I think) I've read (correctly) in my country.

That person will soon (within a few months from me) begin to pave his way towards ECS.

We'll see what happens.

A-lister
6th May 2012, 04:19
^
Who? :lol:

Mozz
6th May 2012, 14:40
I won't reveal too much. There will be many guesses and hopes (als always...:) ). Maybe I will release some hints soon.

I just hope that there will be no Dutch Schlager (ever again), unless it's a clear FUN/Joke/provocative entry (like Lordi) that everybody understands that it's a joke. Every Schlager meant as A. a serious entry or B. a half-hearted joke entry will fail, I think. It would be such a waste of time and energy again...

KeucFan
7th May 2012, 19:08
Rafaella :D

Kees
7th May 2012, 19:41
Rafaella :D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

KeucFan
7th May 2012, 21:05
^ why don't dutch like her? :o

Kryptonite
7th May 2012, 21:33
Rafaella with another song like "Chocolatte" would be awesome. It's so catchy! :lol:

But I would rather see Within temptation (yup, I'm dreaming...), Jim Bakkum, VanVelzen or Waylon.

Raul_Spain
11th May 2012, 21:06
Pearl

Ashley
14th May 2012, 23:16
WHITNIN TEMPTATION & CARO EMERALD & RAY & ANITA & ANOUK!!

A-lister
17th May 2012, 03:16
I won't reveal too much. There will be many guesses and hopes (als always...:) ). Maybe I will release some hints soon.

I just hope that there will be no Dutch Schlager (ever again), unless it's a clear FUN/Joke/provocative entry (like Lordi) that everybody understands that it's a joke. Every Schlager meant as A. a serious entry or B. a half-hearted joke entry will fail, I think. It would be such a waste of time and energy again...

Dutch schlager or nothing!!! :lol:

And big fat no to some idiotic joke act!!! :twisted:

Charly
17th May 2012, 18:51
Dirk Meeldijk, Rene Becker, Jolanda Zoomer, Boudewijn De Groot, Rajae El Mouhandiz, Helemaal Hollands, Ellen ten Damme, Charly Luske


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfL7gmSiFos&list=UUtAVULgy36_oLYhqL3isw2g&index=3&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnxJYs4nZOA&feature=autoplay&list=UUtAVULgy36_oLYhqL3isw2g&playnext=1

Vanessa
20th May 2012, 14:59
Esther Hart again please. :)

Kees
20th May 2012, 18:16
Maybe will the Netherlands withdraw next year. :o
The song contest is to expensive for the TROS.

Dutch: http://www.nu.nl/media/2814795/tros-vreest-bezuinigingen-songfestival.html

Mozz
20th May 2012, 18:33
I thought about it a while ago and one of my ideas was, if it's really too expensive for the public broadcasters, to couple it with The Voice of Holland (which is produced by a commercial broadcaster). One of the 8 semi-finalists will have a chance to compete at Eurovision with a new song. The selection will be between these 8. The timing is wonderful: the final of the The Voice is mid January.

Mozz
20th May 2012, 18:35
They could simply let the entire national preselection procedure be handled by the commercial broadcaster(s), whether it's embedded in The Voice of Holland or not.

dizzydjc
20th May 2012, 18:48
So it comes down to Joan qualifying to the final then, hopefully the juries will pull her through.

In terms of 2013, I say MAKE SOME NOISE FOR THE VENGABOYS! haha

A-lister
20th May 2012, 21:21
I thought about it a while ago and one of my ideas was, if it's really too expensive for the public broadcasters, to couple it with The Voice of Holland (which is produced by a commercial broadcaster). One of the 8 semi-finalists will have a chance to compete at Eurovision with a new song. The selection will be between these 8. The timing is wonderful: the final of the The Voice is mid January.

Eew...

Plz no kareoke show selection!!!

KeucFan
20th May 2012, 22:48
So hopefully Joan gets to the final, that's probably the only way The Netherlands can enter next year :(

Mozz
21st May 2012, 16:01
Eew...

Plz no kareoke show selection!!!

Eh, what? The Voice of Holland is absolutely not a karaoke show (at all). Overall the average quality of the finalists and semi-finalists is very good (I think). And besides less known artists get the chance to present themselves to Europe, rather than the same old same old Dutch names that we already know. Joan Franka was one of the The Voice contestants.

bubblingtrue
25th May 2012, 01:28
So hopefully Joan gets to the final, that's probably the only way The Netherlands can enter next year :(

Looks like we have seen the last of the Netherlands then! I seriously doubt they will continue :(

Mozz
25th May 2012, 01:54
Looks like we have seen the last of the Netherlands then! I seriously doubt they will continue :(

Yep, what you just said will be........bubbling true one day I'm sure.

bubblingtrue
25th May 2012, 01:59
Yep, what you just said will be........bubbling true one day I'm sure.

nice word play...I like your style ;)

wlhlwn
25th May 2012, 02:01
The winner of the voice of Holland 2013...

dizzydjc
25th May 2012, 12:06
I hope that this doesn't spell the end, I mean I know it probably will be but I just hope they try once more next year. I expect Netherlands weren't last in the semi-final like last year anyway.

CPV4931
25th May 2012, 12:25
I expect The Netherlands on position 11 or 12 in this Semi.
But anyway: Isn´t there the chance that the broadcaster of JESC will broadcast ESC and manage the ESC instead of TROS (if it´s too expensive for them.)
I mean, the Netherlands seem to have success in JESC.

seb89
25th May 2012, 12:45
Maybe will the Netherlands withdraw next year. :o
The song contest is to expensive for the TROS.

Dutch: http://www.nu.nl/media/2814795/tros-vreest-bezuinigingen-songfestival.html

Kuipers says in the interview, that there won't be a problem to finance it next year?
+

Today he says, the TROS will do everything they can to participate next year.
http://www.nu.nl/media/2819221/tros-blijft-zich-inzetten-songfestival.html

doctormalisimo
25th May 2012, 13:31
I hope that this doesn't spell the end, I mean I know it probably will be but I just hope they try once more next year. I expect Netherlands weren't last in the semi-final like last year anyway.

nah, Slovakia came last last night, nae doubt. But I fear the Netherlands may have been 16th or 17th :/

Mozz
25th May 2012, 14:50
My country ending 16th or 17th last night would be (almost) just as bad as finishing last, that is feeling. Especially if it's just one or two places above say Slovakia (18th) and Georgia or Bulgaria (17th).

NikkiBoy
25th May 2012, 15:53
Hope The Netherlands not withdraw, this years song was perfect and should qualify. Its Europes taste, bdr.

Adeline
26th May 2012, 15:44
I'm almost for 100% sure that we won't withdraw. The TROS has a contract that expires after the contest in 2013, so it would be stupid to not send anyone. When the contract expires, then there's need for trouble... Although you never know with them: they are very stubborn.

Mozz
26th May 2012, 15:58
Kuipers says in the interview, that there won't be a problem to finance it next year?
+

Today he says, the TROS will do everything they can to participate next year.
http://www.nu.nl/media/2819221/tros-blijft-zich-inzetten-songfestival.html

No, I don't think The Netherlands will EVER withdraw, and I mean this only 20% sarcastically. There's always some money for this. And the majority of the Dutch still supports Eurovision participation. Our majority just likes to be part of festivals like these, whether we qualify for the final or not.

This year, the vast majority likes or loves and supports our entry, Joan Franka, and they've enjoyed it. Not qualifying for this year's final is a bit painful but we'll get over it rather soon. It will never be as painful as not qualifying for the last 8 or 4 in major football (soccer) championships. Now that would be really bumming the Dutch.

CPV4931
26th May 2012, 16:24
According to German blog Eurofire, The Netherlands kind of confirmed participation in 2013. ("We will do everything possible to participate again in 2013" - Peter Kuipers)

http://eurofire.blog.de/2012/05/26/niederlande-erst-recht-engagiert-jahr-13749509/

NikkiBoy
27th May 2012, 10:29
::nl The Netherlands has confirmed participation in 2013, but last time in final was 2004. :D

bubblingtrue
27th May 2012, 15:51
::nl The Netherlands has confirmed participation in 2013, but last time in final was 2004. :D

I take all these 'confirmed participations' with a pinch of salt, as a lot can change between now and December (or whenever the deadline is). I seriously hope Netherlands withdraw as a protest, and hopefully take a couple of other nations with them. Maybe then the EBU will properly tackle the voting procedures at ESC.

Charly
27th May 2012, 16:50
AKOE - De TROS wil alles op alles zetten om volgend jaar weer een Nederlandse afvaardiging naar het Eurovisiesongfestival te sturen.

Ondanks de uitschakeling van Joan Franka donderdag in de halve finale van het liedjesfestijn en de geplande bezuinigingen die de omroep boven het hoofd hangen. Dat zei directeur Peter Kuipers vrijdag.
''We gaan ons uiterste best doen om er weer bij te zijn volgend jaar. De teleurstellende uitslag van donderdag inspireert ons alleen maar meer.'' De TROS organiseert sinds 2010 het Nationaal Songfestival.
Joan kreeg donderdag in Azerbeidzjan niet genoeg stemmen van publiek en vakjury voor een finaleplaats. Het is voor de achtste keer op rij dat Nederland niet weet door te dringen tot de eindstrijd van het festival.
Verslagen
Kuipers: ''We zijn verslagen en terneergeslagen. Vooral omdat we echt rekenden op een plek tussen de beste tien. Misschien niet in de top 5, maar zeker in de top 10.''
De omroepdirecteur kon vrijdag nog niet aangeven waar het volgens hem is misgegaan. ''Ik heb er nog geen diepgaande analyse op losgelaten. We moeten het eerst even laten bezinken.''
Na afloop van de halve finale heeft het team van de TROS Joan en haar band in het hotel opgevangen met champagne en taart. ''We hebben toch een feestje gevierd, want iedereen heeft enorm zijn best gedaan.''
Joan en haar team keren zondag terug naar Nederland. De 22-jarige Rotterdamse heeft nog niet besloten of ze zaterdagavond in de Crystal Hall in Bakoe de finale van het Eurovisiesongfestival bijwoont.
John de Mol, die zich als producent ontfermde over het Nationaal Songfestival, wil zich niet uitlaten over de prestaties van zijn The Voice of Holland-pupil. ''We hebben er als Talpa alles aan gedaan om er iets moois van te maken. Nooit eerder stuurde Nederland een regisseur mee met de artiest. De act was prima'', liet de woordvoerder van De Mol vrijdag weten.

English --

Despite the elimination of Joan Franka Thursday in the semifinals of the song festival and the planned cutbacks that the broadcaster over the head. That said director Peter Kuipers Friday.
'' We will do our utmost to be there again next year. The disappointing outcome of Thursday only inspires us more.'' TROS organizes since 2010 the National Contest.
Joan received Thursday in Azerbaijan not enough votes from the public and jury for the finals. It is the eighth consecutive year that the Netherlands do not get through to the final of the festival.
defeated
Kuipers:'' We are defeated and depressed. Especially since we really counted on a place among the top ten. Maybe not in the top 5, but certainly in the top 10.''
The broadcasting director could not specify where on Friday, according to him is wrong. '' I have no in-depth analysis released. We must first let it settle.''
After the semifinals, the team of the TROS Joan and her band at the hotel coped with champagne and cake. '' We still have a party celebrating, because everyone has enormous done his best.''
Joan and her team return back Sunday to the Netherlands. The 22-year-old Rotterdam has not yet decided whether it Saturday night in the Crystal Hall in Baku attends the final of the Eurovision Song Contest.
John de Mol, who as producer befriended the National Song Contest, will not comment on the performance of his The Voice of Holland-pupil. '' We have as Talpa every effort to make something beautiful out of it. Never sent Netherlands a director along with the artist. The act was fine'', said a spokesman for De Mol know Friday.

Mozz
27th May 2012, 19:40
Thank you for posting this and also for the as always wonderfully 'flawless' :D Google Translate translation

Yamarus
27th May 2012, 23:48
Okay now that the results are out, we can stop pretending "You And Me" was such an amazing entry and that we're all shocked that it didn't make it to the finals. The performance was disappointing, it was a cute but not outstanding ballad in a Semi *full* of ballads, its draw was awful...

I'm glad TROS keeps on trying. Dutch entries have sometimes been unfairly treated, but I see no reason for withdrawing over Joan Franka's failure to reach the finals.

Matt
28th May 2012, 00:04
Well, I still think "You and me" is an amazing entry and my personal Number 1 in 2012. That being said, I already pointed out in my previous posts that the performance was incredibly weak. Not only was Joan off key pretty much throughout the entire song, the Staging was so dull and uninspiring. If they would have performed it like they did in the preselection I'm very confident the Dutch would have made the cut, they were afterall only a dozen points or so away.

I don't even know if the draw really hurt them considering songs 1,2 & 4 all qualified, it was just a weak performance and I knew immediately that it would be the end of the road for the Netherlands.

They're on the right track but they need to have the right performer who can vocally convince and has a solid song.

Mozz
28th May 2012, 00:40
I don't even know if the draw really hurt them considering songs 1,2 & 4 all qualified, it was just a weak performance and I knew immediately that it would be the end of the road for the Netherlands.

They're on the right track but they need to have the right performer who can vocally convince and has a solid song.

When I saw the second rehearsal and got confirmation on Dutch forums that that was what we would be seeing in the semi, I knew it was over. The performance, the staging was simply too weak. It was a whole lot of nothingness and it was clear to me that the song itself could not carry the performance.

It's probably superfluous to say (to you), but it's not just the singer and the song. The Dutch always focus too much on the singer (can he/she sing) and the song (is it nice enough), but HARDLY on the act, the performance, the staging. Did you know that Joan and the Dutch team had NOTHING prepared for the staging when they came to Baku? Joan only had the idea in her mind. The literal reason was: "Ooh, there was no time".

Quoting from a Dutch forum:

"Wat me wel dwars zit is dat toen gevraagd werd aan Joan of ze geen act thuis in Nederland hadden ingestudeerd samen met haar backinggroep, ze volmondig toe gaf dat er niets was ingestudeerd. Het ei van Columbus moest in Baku op het podium nog worden uitgevonden! Ze stonden bij de eerste oefeningen dan ook maar wat aan de kloten. Reden volgens Joan: “er was geen tijd voor”! ER WAS GEEN TIJD VOOR !! Hoe kun je het verzinnen! Dit is toch te gek voor woorden! Onbegrijpelijk gezien de bravour van de Tros en de Mol. Bedankt Tros en de Mol voor wederom zo’n debacle."

http://www.songfestivalweblog.nl/2012/05/nederland-15e-in-2e-halve-finale/#comments
post 29

Mozz
28th May 2012, 00:47
Okay now that the results are out, we can stop pretending "You And Me" was such an amazing entry and that we're all shocked that it didn't make it to the finals. The performance was disappointing, it was a cute but not outstanding ballad in a Semi *full* of ballads, its draw was awful...

I'm glad TROS keeps on trying. Dutch entries have sometimes been unfairly treated, but I see no reason for withdrawing over Joan Franka's failure to reach the finals.

- A song is one thing. The performance (the way a song is brought to the audience) is something different. Those two things are simply not the same thing. I hope this is not too difficult to understand.

Whether a song is amazing or not is a personal thing. It's simply a matter of taste. I personally think it's a very nice song, I've played and sung it over 300 times probably.

The performance, the way You and Me was presented to the Eurovision crowd in the semi, however was disappointing.

- As far as I can judge You and Me is absolutely not a ballad; that is such a weird statement.

Andrzej1987
28th May 2012, 00:58
I'm happy that the Netherlands doesn't give up, that's sportsmanship :D

Matt
28th May 2012, 03:15
It's probably superfluous to say (to you), but it's not just the singer and the song. The Dutch always focus too much on the singer (can he/she sing) and the song (is it nice enough), but HARDLY on the act, the performance, the staging. Did you know that Joan and the Dutch team had NOTHING prepared for the staging when they came to Baku? Joan only had the idea in her mind. The literal reason was: "Ooh, there was no time".

Quoting from a Dutch forum:

"Wat me wel dwars zit is dat toen gevraagd werd aan Joan of ze geen act thuis in Nederland hadden ingestudeerd samen met haar backinggroep, ze volmondig toe gaf dat er niets was ingestudeerd. Het ei van Columbus moest in Baku op het podium nog worden uitgevonden! Ze stonden bij de eerste oefeningen dan ook maar wat aan de kloten. Reden volgens Joan: “er was geen tijd voor”! ER WAS GEEN TIJD VOOR !! Hoe kun je het verzinnen! Dit is toch te gek voor woorden! Onbegrijpelijk gezien de bravour van de Tros en de Mol. Bedankt Tros en de Mol voor wederom zo’n debacle."

http://www.songfestivalweblog.nl/2012/05/nederland-15e-in-2e-halve-finale/#comments
post 29

Wow, that's sad. Yet it doesn't surprise me. Me and my friend were talking about this yesterday and it seems that the Dutch have little interest in the Staging process. 3JS didn't do anything, De Toppers had the messiest performance ever. Actually Sieneke had a decent Staging, too bad the song sucks.

I wonder if Pearl would have been a better choice in the end. Well, we'll never know!

Mozz
28th May 2012, 03:43
Oh Pearl... Frankly I don't want to think about that possibility, the Dutch sending that kind of song. My first instinct tells me no and that Raffaela would've been a (slightly) better choice, strategically. Both their songs don't feel right for me. One is too stereotypical Eurovision a la 90s, the other sounds too cheap and has too few lyrics. But both are easier to stage on the other hand, much easier than Joans song.

For next year I would like to send something really experimental. That's my wish. It will never be the wish of the majority of the Dutch, nor of any Dutch selection juries. It's not in the Dutch' genes, blood, or brains. Imagine selecting a song like the Albanian entry. That will not happen in NL, never.

Jesus
28th May 2012, 04:19
Just two words:

WITHIN TEMPTATION


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuInD9HLaE

They would be the end of all dutch problems in ESC!!

Mozz
28th May 2012, 04:35
Thanks for your suggestion Jesus.

It's not my personal taste but I know that Within Temptation is very very popular abroad.
Maybe if they receive many international requests to participate at ESC, they might (finally...) be swayed..

Matt
28th May 2012, 05:10
I do recall Within Temptation implying while they were not interested in ESC as a band, they may consider writing a song for Eurovision.

NikkiBoy
28th May 2012, 10:45
LATTE LATTE LATTE CHOCOLATTE - YOU HAVE GOT TO SEND ME CHOCOLATTE-E :D<3

demonl
28th May 2012, 11:02
Within Temptation for sure.

Andrzej1987
28th May 2012, 11:34
Within Temptation would be perfect

Sim
28th May 2012, 12:09
Within Temptation , I would like it:D

lowyby
28th May 2012, 13:01
Armin Van Buuren & a big dance act.

I REALLY think that dance acts or things a la Tom Dice can save the Netherlands & Belgium

Mozz
28th May 2012, 14:00
Guys, if you want to see Within Temptation participate at Eurovision,

consider going to their website, look up their email address or twitter account, and send them a short email or tweet:

-tell them that you would LOVE to see them at Eurovision and
-that you're from this or that country (Denmark, Belgium, Poland, Germany or whatever)
-and very important: that you "will absolutely vote for them".

Maybe then they will be persuaded.

Because I know that they're hesitant about it. (I know that they're willing to write a Eurovision song for The Netherlands, but of course we know it's not exactly the same)

kotten
28th May 2012, 14:23
I'm happy that the Netherlands doesn't give up, that's sportsmanship :D

Agreed! Hopefully they will make it to the finals next year, otherwise there will be a decade in 2014 since they last QF. Don't give up =)

Jesus
28th May 2012, 15:37
Guys, if you want to see Within Temptation participate at Eurovision,

consider going to their website, look up their email address or twitter account, and send them a short email or tweet:

-tell them that you would LOVE to see them at Eurovision and
-that you're from this or that country (Denmark, Belgium, Poland, Germany or whatever)
-and very important: that you "will absolutely vote for them".

Maybe then they will be persuaded.

Because I know that they're hesitant about it. (I know that they're willing to write a Eurovision song for The Netherlands, but of course we know it's not exactly the same)

I did it last year :lol: but I'm going to try again for ESC 2013... we ALL have to send them MANY requests so they can feel they really have so much support :D

AdelAdel
29th May 2012, 21:52
So The Netherlands confirmed their participation despite the 8-year failure to qualify, that's a good move, I'm a fan of most Dutch entries, hope they'll send something awesome :)

Adeline
30th May 2012, 14:24
First of all, Within Temptation would never participate. They are too busy and they don't need it. Besides, I also have the feeling they're not big fans of the contest.

What bothers me a lot (here and also on Dutch fora) is that everybody is naming famous artists for next year. As if we will certainly get through if we send an (international) acclaimed big star... That's not a guarantee. Such a big star also needs to come up with a good total package to make it. If one of them comes up with a bad/bland song, wrong staging and a bland act, it's exit no matter who performs it.

I'm still a supporter of our NF system in 2004 and 2005: 24 acts with four semifinals and one big final. A combination of open entries and intern selected acts. There's not a golden formula, but I think this is still the best way to select an entry.

Mozz
30th May 2012, 15:52
First of all, Within Temptation would never participate. They are too busy and they don't need it. Besides, I also have the feeling they're not big fans of the contest.


That is based on the assumption that people can and will never change their mind after what they've claimed. I believe the contrary is always possible. I would never exclude possibilities.

I agree that we don't necessarily need a big name.

Adeline
30th May 2012, 16:29
Ok, the word "never" was maybe a bit too much, but I just don't think they will ever be in the contest. I don't see them doing it. Not now, not in the future, no matter what they have said in the past. Yes, they can change their mind, that's possible, but I don't see them doing that.

Mozz
30th May 2012, 16:42
That is why I ask the forum members here who want to see Within Temptation at ESC, to write and press them a bit. These things CAN work. It's only a small effort, but combined, from different countries, they can tilt the weight into a positive direction and Within Temptation could suddenly consider joining ESC.

Adeline
30th May 2012, 16:44
Well, we can always try. ;) There's nothing to loose. And I would love WT to be there, especially with their 'old' style.

Jesus
30th May 2012, 20:01
First of all, Within Temptation would never participate. They are too busy and they don't need it. Besides, I also have the feeling they're not big fans of the contest.

What bothers me a lot (here and also on Dutch fora) is that everybody is naming famous artists for next year. As if we will certainly get through if we send an (international) acclaimed big star... That's not a guarantee. Such a big star also needs to come up with a good total package to make it. If one of them comes up with a bad/bland song, wrong staging and a bland act, it's exit no matter who performs it.

I'm still a supporter of our NF system in 2004 and 2005: 24 acts with four semifinals and one big final. A combination of open entries and intern selected acts. There's not a golden formula, but I think this is still the best way to select an entry.

Of course, if you have a big star singing a trashy song you will have nothing to do in ESC... but we are talking about Within Temptation, they did, actually do and will do LOTS of very good stuff since the past 12 years. Apart from being famous, I'm sure they would do very well in ESC.

Do they need to go to ESC? They don't, they actually have fans from all over the world and have nothing to demonstrate to anybody as well. They would go just for winning a contest for they country, isn't it a good reason?:mrgreen: ESC is a competition in deed, not a promotional show.

Also as Mozz said, they can change their mind. We just have to let them know that this Festival is a VERY followed show by millions, there's a very high artistic level and of course they will receive a lot of support from all over Europe if they take part on it.

Adeline
30th May 2012, 23:24
I agree with everything you say, it's just that the motivation and the reputation of Eurovision in The Netherlands is below zero. Besides, I know Within Temptation is a wonderful band, I'm one of their biggest fans and have all their cd's (except for the first one, that's very rare nowadays :(). I'm pretty certain they will do extremely well in Eurovision (although I don't like their new style, but that's personal).
The thing I've tried to say above is that of course I would lóve to see them there, but I think the chance is very slim they will ever participate. As you said; they have nothing to win there except for the victory of their country. But do you really think this is enough for them to drop their busy scheme, now their popularity is growing to extremely heights? Their love for the Contest and pity for The Netherlands - we haven't gone through in almost a decade - must be enormous and I don't think it is. I can have it wrong of course, but given the interviews I have read and seen in the past, I don't get the impression they are impressed by the Contest at all. They've never talked about it until last year, when they were pushed by the crowd to participate. They have clearly stated that they would never participate as a band themselves.

Yes, of course, they can change their mind, as I've said in my previous post; of course they can. It's just that I'm feeling the chance they will is very slim. They have nothing to win with it, except the country's pride at Eurovision and I have the feeling they don't care about Eurovision that much and therefore not about the country's pride in it. Like a LOT of Dutch artists and people don't care anymore: I think you are underestimating the low support of Eurovision in The Netherlands. Not only the majority of citizens isn't interested anymore, but also the artists (even the ones that have participated in past years with good results) and even the Dutch broadcasters.

I can have it wrong, but it's not strange I'm thinking that WT isn't honored by the prospect of bringing The Netherlands some victory. They are not enthusiastic about it and without dying to deserve this honor they have actually nothing to do there. Again: I can have it wrong, I'm not a member of the band, it's just that I don't have the feeling they are willing to jump over all the obstacles crossing their path to participating.
With love I would sign every petition stating that Within Temptation should participate for The Netherlands, but i'm also realistic. The chances are slim, even given the fact they can change their mind someday.
Letting them know that the show is watched by millions, that the artistic level is high and that they will receive support from all over Europe, will not help, I'm afraid. I wish it would have been otherwise, but the support and love for Eurovision in The Netherlands is extremely low. I think you are underestimating this.

Besides, like I've said, even Within Temptation can fail if they have a shitty song. The National Final procedure in The Netherlands is wrong in almost every way and the juries are only pushing what they like. There's a vibe in this country that an entry must be 'Song-Contest Proof'. If WT would ever be so stupid to take their advice, we would end up with a song that doesn't suit them. If they have a National Final with - for example - five songs, the song that's the most commercial and apparently the furthest from their heart, would be chosen. I doubt if we will end up with a song that would suit one of their albums.
And even if all this will not happen, there's a considerably chance they won't come up with a perfect total package. Within Temptation isn't holy. They are not a guarantee for the final, no matter how much success they have and have had in the past.

I would love to see them in Sweden next year, but I just don't think they are enthusiastic enough and that they don't have much heart for the Contest and the position of The Netherlands in it, at all. And even then, they are not a ticket to the final. They are very good, but not holy.

theCONWEL
3rd June 2012, 01:17
Caro Emerald or Maaike! :)

DanielLuis
3rd June 2012, 07:18
I really think that alongside Portugal, The Netherlands is the country that deserves the most to be in the top 5 next year! Even though they dont qualify since 2004 Eurovision keeps on having good ratings!They surely deserve a top 5!

Ashley
4th June 2012, 14:28
Why we not send Dasnhi Morad she's REALLY GOOD!
And she sayed that she wants go to the Eurovision song contest Sweden!:)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dwufQD6O3nc#!

Yamarus
4th June 2012, 15:09
I really think that alongside Portugal, The Netherlands is the country that deserves the most to be in the top 5 next year! Even though they dont qualify since 2004 Eurovision keeps on having good ratings!They surely deserve a top 5!

Not if they send a bad song they don't.

A-lister
4th June 2012, 15:18
Not if they send a bad song they don't.

Agree. Countries doesn't deserve to win or do good, songs does.

Netherlands all in all have, imo, sent very weak songs for the past decade +. 2012 and 2010 were exceptions (although I know the majority doesn't really like 2010).

Sean
18th June 2012, 20:19
Now that we've found out that the Netherlands managed to finish in 10th in the televoting from an early draw I think that you should take a positive attitude to this next year. You've proved it's possible for you to qualify with the right song so now you've just got to find something that'll appeal to both sides! :mrgreen:

Matt
18th June 2012, 20:53
Now that we've found out that the Netherlands managed to finish in 10th in the televoting from an early draw I think that you should take a positive attitude to this next year. You've proved it's possible for you to qualify with the right song so now you've just got to find something that'll appeal to both sides! :mrgreen:


I was just about to post the same. I suggest a Dutch "Unser Star fuer STockholm" installment.

Jukica
1st July 2012, 15:55
http://www.nltracks.nl/system/images/156702/original/abraham.jpg?1259495253

Pierre Kartner, the man who brought us (or some might say unleashed upon us) Sieneke's Ik Ben Verliefd (Sha-La-Lie) as well as hits under the guise of Father Abraham with the Smurfs in the 70's is the latest to announce his interest in next year's Dutch selection, the Nationaal Songfestival.

Pierre Kartner intends to save the Nationaal Songfestival | Eurovision Song Contest 2012 in Baku - EuroVisionary (http://www.eurovisionary.com/eurovision-news/pierre-kartner-intends-save-nationaal-songfestival)

He's author of their 2010's entry (Ik ben verliefd (sha-la-lie)):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvHAjo3j2jg

Adeline
1st July 2012, 20:47
Well, if it's up to me, he is welcome to submit an entry to the TROS. I just don't want him (or anybody) to have a monopoly position in deciding which entry it should be. Next year I finally want to have an objective selection. The Dutch public is ignored or fooled for almost a whole decade. If you look at it this way, it's not strange we are doing so poorly.

Mozz
5th July 2012, 16:02
^ I must unfortunately disagree with that. The Dutch audience was asked for their opinion several times now and the entries picked as a result of that were still not good enough.

My opinion is that 98-99% of the Dutch crowd have an average mainstream, radio-friendly, American/UK oriented music taste. What they think will do well at Eurovision, simply does not do well at Eurovision. Simple as that. I've stated it before and now I state it again: this average music taste is in the bones, the blood and the genes of the Dutch people.

The Dutch will never ever send something like what Albania sent this year. They (=98/99%) simply can't understand why a song like that one can do so well at ESC.

AdelAdel
5th July 2012, 16:09
^ I must unfortunately disagree with that. The Dutch audience was asked for their opinion several times now and the entries picked as a result of that were still not good enough.

My opinion is that 98-99% of the Dutch crowd have an average mainstream, radio-friendly, American/UK oriented music taste. What they think will do well at Eurovision, simply does not do well at Eurovision. Simple as that. I've stated it before and now I state it again: this average music taste is in the bones, the blood and the genes of the Dutch people.

The Dutch will never ever send something like what Albania sent this year. They (=98/99%) simply can't understand why a song like that one can do so well at ESC.

I also don't understand why the Albanian song did so well, so I'm with the Dutch crowd it seems :mrgreen:

I'd have a suggestion, though - stop sending songs about world peace! How many of them did you have already? A lot! So, stop it, it's enough and it's extremely boring hearing about this topic over and over again.

r3gg13
11th July 2012, 19:15
Netherlands: TROS Pick National Final Over Anouk
TROS Want Anouk To Go Through National Selection

Dutch Broadcaster TROS are grabbing the headlines in the Netherlands after it emerged that they have turned down a bit from Anouk to represent the country at Eurovision. The singer, 37, had indicated that she wanted to take part in the 2013 Eurovision Song Contest in Malmö.

According to Anouk, she has been working and has “a killer song” lined up for Eurovision. However TROS have rejected sending her directly to Eurovision, instead favouring to continue with a national selection. “We are delighted that Anouk thinks about the contest, but (she) must take part in a national final” a TROS spokesman told the AP. ” She is obviously disappointed… but we want the Dutch public and a jury to decide what is the best song for Eurovision.”

The Netherlands have previously selected Edsilia Rombley internally, although staged a televised show for the public to pick her song. In 2008, Hind and her song ”Your heart belongs to me” were both picked by the then broadcaster NOS.

Netherlands: TROS Pick National Final Over Anouk | escXtra (http://escxtra.com/2012/07/tros-pick-national-final-over-anouk/)

Margerita86
11th July 2012, 21:04
Honestly whatever song Anouk has sounds much more interesting to me than any National Final selections TROS can pick.

r3gg13
12th July 2012, 02:44
Same, Anouk or bust for me. I never expected to see something like that. She's one of my favorite Dutch singers :)

Gogerko
13th July 2012, 14:08
One year they will come to the final and they will WIN!!
So happy we have them in 2013. :D

tuorem
13th July 2012, 21:41
It's not a surprise anymore but Joan was so robbed. Please keep sending interesting entries like this.

Mickey
14th July 2012, 14:02
Netherlands: De Mol Quits National Selection

Netherlands – Chaos in the Netherlands: The popular television producer John de Mol has announced his withdrawal from the Dutch national selection this year, which had been confirmed just weeks ago. De Mol and his production company Talpa were apparently put off by the Dutch Eurovision broadcaster TROS’ rejection of one of the biggest stars in Dutch music, Anouk.

TROS now speaks to Eyeworks‘ Reinout Oerlemans, who recently changed to the broadcaster AVRO. The choice is not a surprise as this year the Nationaal Songfestival will be a co-production between TROS and AVRO. Neither TROS nor Talpa disclosed the reason for the end of their cooperation, but Talpa spokesman Thomas Notermans names Anouk as the main reason for their new disinterest in the national selection.

He said about TROS rejecting an internal selection of Anouk: “That is the same as if Frank de Boer called Messi to ask him whether he wants to play for Ajax and then tells him he must first participate in a trial.” TROS had told Anouk that she would have to compete in the national final as well. “If that is how it works, then I lost interest in it,” added Notermans.

Anouk has already criticized TROS, who want to organize a six-round national final for only wanting to fill their shedule instead of having success at Eurovision.

Netherlands: De Mol Quits National Selection « The Eurovision Times (http://eurovisiontimes.wordpress.com/2012/07/14/netherlands-de-mol-quits-national-selection/)

LalehForWD
15th July 2012, 22:23
Honestly whatever song Anouk has sounds much more interesting to me than any National Final selections TROS can pick.

Totally agree, I've been listening to Anouk on Spotify and YouTube. I really love her voice and her singing. I would say it's classic American rock and I'd certainly enjoy her. I'm not so sure about her winning Eurovision though.

r3gg13
15th July 2012, 22:47
Anouk would have probably qualified. But oh well, let's see what TROS has to offer now :?

Matt
16th July 2012, 05:03
Some drama going on in the Netherlands. I really don't understand TROS' reasoning. I'm starting to have low expectation for the dutch entry next year.

CPV4931
17th July 2012, 14:43
I also don´t understand, why TROS refused Anouks offer. They nominated 3Js, but not Anouk? You don´t have to understand this.
Anouk is internationally well-known and this would have been the chance for the Netherlands to reach the final again.
But let´s see, what the Netherlands can offer instead of her in their NF.

tuorem
17th July 2012, 17:49
I also don´t understand, why TROS refused Anouks offer. They nominated 3Js, but not Anouk? You don´t have to understand this.
Anouk is internationally well-known and this would have been the chance for the Netherlands to reach the final again.
But let´s see, what the Netherlands can offer instead of her in their NF.

Is it possible to mess up such opportunities? Wow :( Thank you TROS

LalehForWD
17th July 2012, 22:55
Anouk could just enter the national selection process and qualify. Just as Carola or Charlotte Perrelli never would have been allowed without going through Melodifestivalen. The Dutch people need to be part of the selection.

r3gg13
17th July 2012, 23:45
Anouk could just enter the national selection process and qualify. Just as Carola or Charlotte Perrelli never would have been allowed without going through Melodifestivalen. The Dutch people need to be part of the selection.

She could have, and she would have probably won the selection. But unless TROS steps up the selection process with songs that are actually good, then Netherlands is losing out on a good opportunity to qualify. It's like trading Rolls Royce for a Toyota. Who knows maybe TROS is planning something like the Melodifestivalen for Netherlands, probably not. I'm a bit negative on this, but still hoping for the best.

Mozz
18th July 2012, 00:33
My thought was that the format for the National Final(s) was already chosen by TROS for 2013 and that they don't plan to change that.
Also, I thought that the NF (and not just in The Netherlands, but also in other ESC participating countries) must have a selection procedure that allows the audience to choose (or partially, along with a jury).

I don't like how Anouk took the 'rejection' to Twitter, immediately after she was 'rejected' by TROS. If she wants to participate at ESC, then why not play by the rules? If she trusts that her song is a winning song, she should be confident that the Dutch audience will pick her and her song.

CPV4931
18th July 2012, 12:16
[...]
Also, I thought that the NF (and not just in The Netherlands, but also in other ESC participating countries) must have a selection procedure that allows the audience to choose (or partially, along with a jury).
[...]


According to the blog @the official German ESC-website (Eurovision Song Contest » Blog Archive » Keine Vorentscheidungsreform in Europa (http://eurovision.blog.ndr.de/2012/06/15/keine-vorentscheidungsreform-in-europa/)), there isn´t such a rule.

Mickey
18th July 2012, 20:13
Yeah, nothing's happened yet about that mandatory NF rule.


Anouk could just enter the national selection process and qualify. Just as Carola or Charlotte Perrelli never would have been allowed without going through Melodifestivalen. The Dutch people need to be part of the selection.

It's much easier for a name artist to go through Melodifestivalen. It's the most popular tv show in the country and winning the Swedish ticket to ESC is an honour.

In Netherlands, I gather it's a similar situation to the UK, where Eurovision is largely considered a joke show. It's one thing for a big name to risk entering a joke show, but risking failure to qualify for a joke show? That's a risk too far for many.

The rest of the entries may be crap, but the public may well choose some novelty song. Justin Hawkins losing to Scooch in 2007 springs to mind.

LalehForWD
18th July 2012, 20:28
Yeah, nothing's happened yet about that mandatory NF rule.



It's much easier for a name artist to go through Melodifestivalen. It's the most popular tv show in the country and winning the Swedish ticket to ESC is an honour.

In Netherlands, I gather it's a similar situation to the UK, where Eurovision is largely considered a joke show. It's one thing for a big name to risk entering a joke show, but risking failure to qualify for a joke show? That's a risk too far for many.

The rest of the entries may be crap, but the public may well choose some novelty song. Justin Hawkins losing to Scooch in 2007 springs to mind.

Yes, but if she's robbed she will get credit for trying and benefit of the exposure. New fans will discover her. But if she fails due to bad performance, weak song or any other fair shortcomings, her reputation will be damaged. The Dutch tabloids will of course eat her and everybody will get a gloating moment. She still will get her exposure though. Will it be so bad?

LalehForWD
18th July 2012, 21:04
My thought was that the format for the National Final(s) was already chosen by TROS for 2013 and that they don't plan to change that.
Also, I thought that the NF (and not just in The Netherlands, but also in other ESC participating countries) must have a selection procedure that allows the audience to choose (or partially, along with a jury).

I don't like how Anouk took the 'rejection' to Twitter, immediately after she was 'rejected' by TROS. If she wants to participate at ESC, then why not play by the rules? If she trusts that her song is a winning song, she should be confident that the Dutch audience will pick her and her song.

Agree.

All broadcasters should have a NF. It's stupid to not have one. When it comes down to it, the Dutch ESC entry participate and performs for The Netherlands as a symbol. The artist needs to feel he/she got the people's support for this, not just some weird hardcore fans (like us). A fair selection process and voting is all what it takes. If the entry is just a random broadcaster act with no connection what so ever to the real Dutch music scene - like a reality TV show act, what's the point? A costly freak show without purpose, is it good TV?

The broadcaster is bound find good performers in some way. So why not organise a national selection and engage both the TV audience and the entertainment business to succeed. There will be some good HQ TV show hours to broadcast with good ratings. Jobs in the entertainment business will be generated and the professional interest in the event will rise. Cooperation between the broadcaster and entertainment business is the Melodifestivalen way.

Mickey
18th July 2012, 21:32
Yes, but if she's robbed she will get credit for trying and benefit of the exposure. New fans will discover her. But if she fails due to bad performance, weak song or any other fair shortcomings, her reputation will be damaged. The Dutch tabloids will of course eat her and everybody will get a gloating moment. She still will get her exposure though. Will it be so bad?

Does Anouk need exposure in Netherlands?

LalehForWD
18th July 2012, 21:46
Does Anouk need exposure in Netherlands?

:D It's the big picture that matters! :lol:

LalehForWD
18th July 2012, 21:49
No, I've seen this argument for internal selections and focus on "The songs" everywhere. I just don't get the point in this.

Mickey
18th July 2012, 21:49
:D It's the big picture that matters! :lol:

I'll take that as a "no".

Mickey
18th July 2012, 21:52
No, I've seen this argument for internal selections and focus on "The songs" everywhere. I just don't get the point in this.

The point is that if you want a full external selection (i.e. public pick artist and song), you have to accept that established artists won't enter. It's too risky. The only exceptions are countries, like Sweden or Ukraine, where ESC is already taken seriously.

LalehForWD
18th July 2012, 22:03
I'll take that as a "no".

Of course I speculate, I didn't know anything about Anouk other than the Nobody's wife song until I looked her up. She is not well known in Sweden. So take it for what it is worth. ;) I can imagine younger and not so young people in The Netherlands have harder to connect with her. To be honest her genre isn't really mainstream anymore. Artists in the same situation in Sweden can boost their career a bit by participate in Melodifestivalen. They are not there to win, just to get some promotion.

edit:
Not that I say that Anouk wouldn't win, just that it isn't end of the career to fail. :)

LalehForWD
18th July 2012, 22:05
The point is that if you want a full external selection (i.e. public pick artist and song), you have to accept that established artists won't enter. It's too risky. The only exceptions are countries, like Sweden or Ukraine, where ESC is already taken seriously.

Well, that was my point. Is it really so bad to fail? You'll got some goodies as well. :)

Mickey
18th July 2012, 23:17
Well, that was my point. Is it really so bad to fail?

Quite clearly it is, because these artists don't want to enter and their opinion is the only one that really matters.

The promotion an artist gets isn't really that good in a country like UK or (I assume) Netherlands. Our preselections aren't the country's number one tv show, like MF is in Sweden. Reducing yourself to appearing on a Eurovision national final looks pretty desperate over here. You can't quite accept your career is over and are attempting one last shot in the minor leagues against nobodies who aren't good enough for The X Factor. Your only hope is to win it. Then it looks like you're a big fish in a small pond, rather than just pondscum.

LalehForWD
18th July 2012, 23:33
Quite clearly it is, because these artists don't want to enter and their opinion is the only one that really matters.

The promotion an artist gets isn't really that good in a country like UK or (I assume) Netherlands. Our preselections aren't the country's number one tv show, like MF is in Sweden. Reducing yourself to appearing on a Eurovision national final looks pretty desperate over here. You can't quite accept your career is over and are attempting one last shot in the minor leagues against nobodies who aren't good enough for The X Factor. Your only hope is to win it. Then it looks like you're a big fish in a small pond, rather than just pondscum.

I understand, but I didn't exactly mean that the artists are the main issue here. Of course they don't want to be part of a questionable event. It is the broadcaster who has both the opportunity and duty to make the most of a tradition like this. If the broadcaster really wants to make good shows of the NFs, Anouk is perhaps the most suitable participant. Showing strength and courage!

LalehForWD
19th July 2012, 15:14
Quite clearly it is, because these artists don't want to enter and their opinion is the only one that really matters.

The promotion an artist gets isn't really that good in a country like UK or (I assume) Netherlands. Our preselections aren't the country's number one tv show, like MF is in Sweden. Reducing yourself to appearing on a Eurovision national final looks pretty desperate over here. You can't quite accept your career is over and are attempting one last shot in the minor leagues against nobodies who aren't good enough for The X Factor. Your only hope is to win it. Then it looks like you're a big fish in a small pond, rather than just pondscum.

Eurovision in the UK appears to me as the biggest mystery ever. Everyone uber-eager to diss it, yet you're probably the biggest lovers as well. You are clearly in some Moment 22 situation and need someone to trash around and put everything upside down.

Madonna for UK to Eurovision 2013! xcheerxcheer

edit:
BTW I remember a good laugh at The Five Stages of Coping with a British Eurovision Entry (http://thankyoueurope.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/the-five-stages-of-coping-with-a-british-eurovision-entry/) this spring. xup

Mickey
19th July 2012, 20:22
Eurovision in the UK appears to me as the biggest mystery ever. Everyone uber-eager to diss it, yet you're probably the biggest lovers as well. You are clearly in some Moment 22 situation and need someone to trash around and put everything upside down.

Madonna for UK to Eurovision 2013! xcheerxcheer


Yeah, we love it, but as a comedy show. Part of the joke is that all the songs are rubbish. It's just taken as fact and never questioned. I find it really weird how the day after Eurovision people will talk about all the songs they liked and then almost in the same breath dismiss whole show as crap.

I would love for us to have a full external national final with name artists willing to enter, but I don't think doing a lower standard national final now is the way to achieve that. My hope is that internal selections will, over time, make ESC just a normal thing that artists do. Then there may one day be a chance they'll want to compete for it.

Mickey
19th July 2012, 20:23
BTW I remember a good laugh at The Five Stages of Coping with a British Eurovision Entry (http://thankyoueurope.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/the-five-stages-of-coping-with-a-british-eurovision-entry/) this spring. xup

Heh, glad that you liked it. And that some people do read it.

LalehForWD
19th July 2012, 20:53
Heh, glad that you liked it. And that some people do read it.

I haven't been into ESC until this spring and I remember that story as one of the first I came across. Through Google I guess. :)

Evalngelion
20th July 2012, 02:55
Anouk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Aiv6258ik

Mozz
20th July 2012, 18:44
It's not entirely true that the Dutch see Eurovision as some sort of circus full of joke and nonsense, in my opinion. I think in the back of their minds they DO take it seriously and DO want to send the best they have to win. Most of the choices the Dutch majority makes are however not compatible with what the majority of the Eurovision watchers want. That they see Eurovision as some sort of bogus contest stems from the disappointment and outrage following the poor result(s).

Anouk is not exactly at the height of her career. She's already seen the best of it. If she has some guts, she should just join the national selection. I don't know what it is, always this pride and fear of several Dutch artists (Trijntje Oosterhuis, Marco Borsato etc). Do they want to compete for the country or what?

seb89
20th July 2012, 19:23
I thought Anouk wanted to pause her carreer?

Why not OUTrageous & Miss Brandi :p?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlF1-vjXGOQ

LalehForWD
20th July 2012, 21:37
It's not entirely true that the Dutch see Eurovision as some sort of circus full of joke and nonsense, in my opinion. I think in the back of their minds they DO take it seriously and DO want to send the best they have to win. Most of the choices the majority makes are however not compatible with what the majority of the Eurovision watchers want. That they see Eurovision as some sort of bogus contest stems from the disappointment and outrage following the poor result(s).

Anouk is not exactly at the height of her career. She's already seen the best of it. If she has some guts, she should just join the national selection. I don't know what it is, always this pride and fear of several Dutch artists (Trijntje Oosterhuis, Marco Borsato etc). Do they want to compete for the country or what?

With a good song, Anouk is killer! But for for me, in the long run, I wish The Netherlands to be a strong ESC country. Since I'm Swedish, my solution is of course something like Melodifestivalen. It's not perfect but there are some good things. Melodifestivalen generates jobs for the local entertainment business. All kinds of work which are regular year after year. SVT get 6 HQ TV shows out of Melodifestivalen. Great for dancers. Songs must be written and tested etc. It's like circles on the water. It's up to the broadcaster to make something of the event BMO.

edit:
The watchers need to have the power to select, even if it's not the "right" one. Here lies drama for everyone! :p:D

alca
20th July 2012, 23:38
I thought Anouk wanted to pause her carreer?

Why not OUTrageous & Miss Brandi :p?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlF1-vjXGOQ

I wanted Miss Brandi in 2012 too! So I'm rooting for her once again. Hope she sends something!

Matt
21st July 2012, 18:39
Did TROS change their mind? Kuipers has said that he is prepared to “have a conversation with Anouk” about possible participation in Malmö.

Source (http://escxtra.com/2012/07/tros-considering-anouk-after-all)

Mozz
21st July 2012, 20:33
Yes, I've read about that too this morning.

Anouk mogelijk toch naar Songfestival | nu.nl/muziek | Het laatste nieuws het eerst op nu.nl (http://www.nu.nl/muziek/2863926/anouk-mogelijk-toch-songfestival.html)

Still, I don't like Anouk's 'attitude'. She could've informed herself with the procedure and kept things(the negotiation and its result) a bit more discrete, it would've been more graceful. She should try grace more often.

LalehForWD
21st July 2012, 21:06
Yes, I've read about that too this morning.

Anouk mogelijk toch naar Songfestival | nu.nl/muziek | Het laatste nieuws het eerst op nu.nl (http://www.nu.nl/muziek/2863926/anouk-mogelijk-toch-songfestival.html)

Still, I don't like Anouk's 'attitude'. She could've informed herself with the procedure and kept things(the negotiation and its result) a bit more discrete, it would've been more graceful. She should try grace more often.

So is it finished now than, Anouk will be selected in an internal procedure?
Why does all Dutch seem to hate the old NF and yays the internal selection of Anouk?

Mozz
21st July 2012, 22:04
So is it finished now than, Anouk will be selected in an internal procedure?
Why does all Dutch seem to hate the old NF and yays the internal selection of Anouk?

I don't know what will happen now and what format they will choose. For the moment, they (TROS and Anouk) have just agreed to have a talk.

I quote Matt and the article in English: "Did TROS change their mind? Kuipers has said that he is prepared to “have a conversation with Anouk” about possible participation in Malmö."

So I don't understand how you can write "So is it finished now than, Anouk will be selected in an internal procedure?" It's crystal clear (to me) that they will have a talk and that nothing's been decided.


I don't understand your sentence "Why does all Dutch seem to hate the old NF and yays the internal selection of Anouk?"
Where do you get that info from??? As far as I know that's simply not true.

LalehForWD
21st July 2012, 22:40
I don't know what will happen now and what format they will choose. For the moment, they (TROS and Anouk) have just agreed to have a talk.

I quote Matt and the article in English: "Did TROS change their mind? Kuipers has said that he is prepared to “have a conversation with Anouk” about possible participation in Malmö."

So I don't understand how you can write "So is it finished now than, Anouk will be selected in an internal procedure?" It's crystal clear (to me) that they will have a talk and that nothing's been decided.


I don't understand your sentence "Why does all Dutch seem to hate the old NF and yays the internal selection of Anouk?"
Where do you get that info from??? As far as I know that's simply not true.

Hoouh, no need to spin off. I agree with you in this. It was just a simple question. :D Regarding the dislike of old NFs I'm glad you deny it. After all, to build a strong ESC support, the audience influence and engagement is mandatory IMO. The sense of dislike of old Dutch NFs and the broadcaster, seem to me as the dominant opinion among ESC fans. I' haven't got any specific source though. I was just wondering about the background. :)

A-lister
22nd July 2012, 04:18
What? Anouk!? What did I miss?? Will the yearly rumor finally come true?

I like Anouk, "Nobody's Wife" is a 90's classic for me. That'd be a great choice for Netherlands (if the song will be strong of course).

Sim
15th September 2012, 14:43
Chances are rising that Anouk will compete in ESC for the Netherlands.
There had been some talks yet, and these were very positive.
TROS really wants her and already asked to not have any national rounds.

source: Anouk wellicht voor Nederland naar Eurovisie Songfestival - HLN.be (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/9092/Nieuws/article/detail/1501489/2012/09/15/Anouk-wellicht-voor-Nederland-naar-Eurovisie-Songfestival.dhtml) (article is in dutch)

source: ESCBelgium (http://escbelgium.blogspot.be/2012/09/will-anouk-participate-for-netherlands.html#links) (english article)

Narmina
15th September 2012, 16:20
I like her singing! But I'm not sure it would be confirmed

Milos-BC
15th September 2012, 17:13
If Anouk goes for the ::nl I already feel I will have one strong favorite in Malmo :D

It's about time........she is the best possible choice available for ::nl.

A-lister
15th September 2012, 19:13
Crossing fingers for Anouk! I love her voice and singing style. "Nobody's Wife" remains one of my 90's classics!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RaHTDNude4

Sim
17th September 2012, 09:51
Anouk replied on FB: "I read everywhere that I would participate in the Eurovision Song Contest. I'm sitting here in LA, and I know of nothing, good luck with it!"

A-lister
17th September 2012, 15:34
Anouk replied on FB: "I read everywhere that I would participate in the Eurovision Song Contest. I'm sitting here in LA, and I know of nothing, good luck with it!"

:lol:

Either she's under contract and not allowed to say anything, or it's just those yearly rumors which are untrue.

Jukica
18th September 2012, 01:30
Anouk would be the great choice :D I'm still sorry for DNQ in 2012 :( great song

Matt
18th September 2012, 22:23
TROS commented on the Anouk situation and conflicting information



We indeed started talking with Anouk (management) like we already confirmed a few months ago. It is no secret that there are talks, there is just no news about it yet.

TomppaJr
17th October 2012, 11:53
It's Anouk!! She told news in her Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=4688622823598)-pages!! xyaaay

dragvision
17th October 2012, 12:37
Anouk it's official, Amsterdam 2014

QwaarJet
17th October 2012, 13:22
Let's get that thread title updated!

Mozz
17th October 2012, 14:20
It's in the news:

Anouk naar het Eurovisie Songfestival | nu.nl/muziek | Het laatste nieuws het eerst op nu.nl (http://www.nu.nl/muziek/2935823/anouk-eurovisie-songfestival.html) (contains Anouk's personal video message)


Anouk bevestigt deelname Songfestival - Privé | Het laatste Privé nieuws leest u op Prive.nl van De Telegraaf [prive] (http://www.telegraaf.nl/prive/13085637/__Anouk_naar_Songfestival___.html)

EscGeek
17th October 2012, 15:40
Anouk for The Netherlands.. huh? :)

What is her most popular song?? xhmm

anyone??? xthink

penguinperson
17th October 2012, 16:03
Anouk for The Netherlands.. huh? :)

What is her most popular song?? xhmm

anyone??? xthink


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UeG24sl2J4

EscGeek
17th October 2012, 16:29
cool,thanks! :D I've heard this song many times but I didn't know the artist :lol:

Tinchey
17th October 2012, 16:30
I've heard of her before, this might be really interesting. Netherlands in the final finally, at least I hope so. :D

Rose82
17th October 2012, 16:33
This one is also very popular

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM6i4DhMwx8

GRE
17th October 2012, 17:22
Maybe Final for Netherlands this year?Hope so!

penguinperson
17th October 2012, 17:42
She has the potential but imo a lot of the problems have come from the song rarely the act with the Netherlands. Also the uncanny ability TROS have of staging their entries into a meh fest needs to be addressed as well. They must not waste the chance this time.

Mozz
17th October 2012, 17:47
She has the potential but imo a lot of the problems have come from the song rarely the act with the Netherlands. Also the uncanny ability TROS have of staging their entries into a meh fest needs to be addressed as well. They must not waste the chance this time.


^Sorry, I don't quite what you mean: "a lot of the problems have come from the song rarely the act with the Netherlands".

Do you mean: a lot of the problems have not come from the song, rather from the act with the Netherlands ?

Yoni
17th October 2012, 17:57
Smth like this porfavor


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFbfBVo_0Q

penguinperson
17th October 2012, 18:08
^Sorry, I don't quite what you mean: "a lot of the problems have come from the song rarely the act with the Netherlands".

Do you mean: a lot of the problems have not come from the song, rather from the act with the Netherlands ?

The song. The Dutch can pick people that can at least hold a tune.

Margerita86
17th October 2012, 19:18
Oooh so it will be Anouk for the netherlands?
Ok the song will most likely be good, now we just got to see if the performance will be the usual safe and dull fare from TROS.

Matt
17th October 2012, 20:03
I feel like with the first act known, the 2013 has officially begun in my head. I always enjoyed her music and I cannot wait to interview her, she seems like a very interesting person.

Good luck Netherlands, hopefully this will be your ticket to the Final.

QwaarJet
17th October 2012, 20:18
I feel like with the first act known, the 2013 has officially begun in my head. I always enjoyed her music and I cannot wait to interview her, she seems like a very interesting person.

Good luck Netherlands, hopefully this will be your ticket to the Final.

Yes sir, I am with you on that. As soon as she was announced, I felt excitement that the ESC season has begun.

A-lister
17th October 2012, 20:40
Yay so all the yearly rumors finally becomes true! xcheer

I really hope for a strong song, this could potentially be Netherlands best position in years if they play their cards like (and that means don't sell her out like to some sort of watered down version with schlager influences like Belgium did with Kate Ryan the other year).

Matt
17th October 2012, 20:43
I hope for a NF where the viewers can choose from 3 songs or something like that.

Yoni
17th October 2012, 20:47
I hope for a NF where the viewers can choose from 3 songs or something like that.

Nah iirc she's representing NL with that "killer song" she made coup[le of months ago, so internal song as well

Matt
17th October 2012, 20:49
Nah iirc she's representing NL with that "killer song" she made coup[le of months ago, so internal song as well

When was that released? If it was known prior to a certain date she wouldn't be able to use that.

Yoni
17th October 2012, 20:53
When was that released? If it was known prior to a certain date she wouldn't be able to use that.

no.. I mean when the whole NOS-Anouk negotiations started and she blamed them for not taking her and saying that she had a "killer song", so it means it's the same "killer song" that she saved for the contest :P

Matt
17th October 2012, 20:54
no.. I mean when the whole NOS-Anouk negotiations started and she blamed them for not taking her and saying that she had a "killer song", so it means it's the same "killer song" that she saved for the contest :P

Oh gotcha. So it sounds like she'll go with a song she feels strongly about. At this point, they may as well go with that. Nothing else seems to work for them :D

Jim
17th October 2012, 21:39
Good choice from The Netherlands! :)

CypriotGirl
17th October 2012, 23:11
Nice choice. I've heard her before (don't remember where) and "Nobody's Wife" seems very familiar... I'm sure I've heard it from before! xhmm

I'm optimistic about ::nl now! Let it be a good song!! xpray

r3gg13
18th October 2012, 00:31
I haven't really heard any bad songs by Anouk. I love her Who's your momma album. Pretty awesome singer.

CypriotGirl
18th October 2012, 00:31
I know her song "Lost"! Was it a hit? xhmm

Milos-BC
18th October 2012, 00:43
Awesome choice by the Netherlands :D And, in fact, the best possible choice.

We still need to hear the entry, but this year the Netherlands will be a strong contender for a good result. I can't see her coming up with a bad entry.

And it is also about time for ::nl to qualify. I can't believe that their last qualification was in 2004 with that......rather bland song, imo.

Schlagerman1
18th October 2012, 01:54
I think this might be the one to grab a place in the final for the Netherlands! :) Anouk is a competent singer and I hope and think the song will be good enough for Eurovision.
BUT!!! There is no chance on earth that Netherlands will grab a win in Malmö. Anouk may be a bit known, but most people (especially young viewers) will not know who she is and if the song ain't a big cracker problably won't vote for it. But I think Netherlands just need a place in the final to be happy, and that is for sure able to happen for them! :)

evilperson
18th October 2012, 01:57
She has the potential but imo a lot of the problems have come from the song rarely the act with the Netherlands. Also the uncanny ability TROS have of staging their entries into a meh fest needs to be addressed as well. They must not waste the chance this time.

I agree. Their problem isn't picking a performer, it's picking a good song. Hopefully they find a good song for this artist.

alca
18th October 2012, 01:59
Exactly! It could be another Anggun case...

AlbertTv
18th October 2012, 15:01
Honestly, I don't think that sending this artist will make it easier for them to reach the final...Croatia sent one of its best singers last year, and it didn't make it to the final. France had a very disappointing result with Anggun as well. Actually, I believe that they just need to send an extraordinary song, to let everyone forget about the disappointing entries of the previous editions...

Charly
18th October 2012, 18:01
It all depends on the song quality and performance.

Nina Badric was close but the song was a let down and quite boring to be in the Final

Anggun was pretty much the same but the performance given was the let on to get low points.

Even though famous singers/bands represent the country it all matters on Quality and Performance given.

Dana International failed to qualify for the Final because of the performance given with the vocal.

Blue would of achieved better results if the vocals was better which let them down with the Juries after all they 6th in Televoting results.
So if Blue ad made the vocals quite better the Juries would give more points which eventually could lead United Kingdom in a possible 6-8th Position.

Yet again Engelbert Humperdinck flopped with shakey performance which got 2nd to last position and Kristina - Horehronie would get to th Finals if she did not messed upsame with Magdalena Tul with the same case.

Soo, it all depends how good is the song and the performance given in by Anouk if it is good you would see the Dutchman in the finals. Dont forget, Belgium is the same with Netherlands and when they sent Tom Dice the song quality was great and performance given was perfect which got them in the Finals with a Top Ten Position.

Quent91
18th October 2012, 18:32
Anouk ? I know her only by her song "Girl" :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM-gd9-Q-Qg

VikingTiger
18th October 2012, 19:35
I guess Anouk is a good choice. She will probably not fail on stage (even though one never knows). It all depends on the song, but from what I have found on youtube I am not sure... I like her voice, but I cant say that her songs appeal to me a whole lot.

VikingTiger
18th October 2012, 19:36
...:rolleyes: couldnt have said it better myself..

daniels1000
18th October 2012, 20:15
::nl can finally break that awful 8 year record! xyaaay

Grinch
18th October 2012, 20:45
As everyone said, it depends on the song but I think NL will reach the final this year finally. Good choice TROS!

Archer
18th October 2012, 20:48
Second Soluna Samay ? :D I think she is a great choice!

CPV4931
19th October 2012, 17:58
Great choice from ::nl :-)
Now I hope for a good song, so The Netherlands can reach the final again.

Corry
19th October 2012, 20:00
RU kiddin' me

I've been a fan since the start:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf8bWbL5MYg

Muireanne
19th October 2012, 21:10
Great choice on Anouk! See you guys in Stockholm!

CypriotGirl
20th October 2012, 02:24
I found by accident now a live cd of Evridiki where she sang a cover of Nobody's Wife! :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8p19cLdpbY

DimitrisLoveIvi
20th October 2012, 03:33
I ♥ Anouk. Finally the Netherlands will qualify to the final (I hope :P)

Hegepege
22nd October 2012, 10:04
Yay! She's cool, I just hope she didn't expire after the 90's, and that her voice and cool rock-chick-image remains. If she sings a ballad or a plain popsong, I will be utterly dissapointed.

r3gg13
22nd October 2012, 15:39
Yay! She's cool, I just hope she didn't expire after the 90's, and that her voice and cool rock-chick-image remains. If she sings a ballad or a plain popsong, I will be utterly dissapointed.

Definitely, her song has to be within her character, otherwise what's the point of sending her

A-lister
22nd October 2012, 15:48
Definitely, her song has to be within her character, otherwise what's the point of sending her

Second that. I hope they learned from the mistakes made with Kate Ryan and Anggun. If picking an artist based on her/his backcatalogue the song better be in that style, otherwise it's a waste of time and opportunity if they'll try to make her sound 'Eurovision' (whatever that is? but according to the prejudices of it...).

Archer
22nd October 2012, 18:01
RU kiddin' me

I've been a fan since the start:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf8bWbL5MYg

I hope she will prefer that kind of dress on the stage as well :D

Grinch
22nd October 2012, 23:12
I hope she will prefer that kind of dress on the stage as well :D

I hope not ( if she doesn't want to fail :p ).

Charly
22nd October 2012, 23:13
I hope she will prefer that kind of dress on the stage as well :D

Slut alert! D:

Impressive
22nd October 2012, 23:45
Would it be wrong if we say that so there is new victim of the Netherlands to fail in semi :rolleyes:

A-lister
23rd October 2012, 01:58
Slut alert! D:

Hardly, just very 90's...

Hegepege
27th October 2012, 14:48
Btw, I am so happy Nederland is sending an international well known artist, and announcing it so early, the signal they are sending is that they have every intention of beeing a serious contestant next year. Maybe it will inspire other countries, my own for instance, to send established artists and also accept songs that doesn't scream "kitch-fest" as soon as you hear them.

Matt
28th December 2012, 22:44
"Stardust": Anouk Previews New Album "Sad Singalong Songs" | WiwiBloggs.Com (http://wiwibloggs.com/2012/12/27/anouk-releases-stardust-previews-new-album/21527/)

LalehForWD
30th December 2012, 09:04
RU kiddin' me

I've been a fan since the start:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf8bWbL5MYg

What an attitude she shows! 8-)xrose When the second egg hits she get furious but still manage to sing the song with passion. xrunhug What happened with the egg-thrower? What a f!ckn bastard! Lynched by the other 60000 spectators?

Mickey
30th December 2012, 21:10
WWhat happened with the egg-thrower? What a f!ckn bastard! Lynched by the other 60000 spectators?

Everyone bought him a drink for getting her to take her top off.

EscGeek
30th December 2012, 22:49
RU kiddin' me

I've been a fan since the start:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf8bWbL5MYg

watching this video makes me wanna go to Malmo in May and throw an egg at herxheat xrofl3

DanielLuis
31st December 2012, 00:06
Would it be wrong if we say that so there is new victim of the Netherlands to fail in semi :rolleyes:

I hope The Netherlands have a great entry this year and qualify. Anouk is certainly capable of that.
And the country really deserves it, specially because their entry this year was great and they actually finished in the top 10 in the televote!

GRE
23rd January 2013, 22:49
I wouldn't say that the draw for Anouk was the best one...in the first part of the semi along with 6 ex-USSR countries,and Denmark,Serbia.

dizzydjc
24th January 2013, 15:39
When are we likely to hear the song, I have high hopes!

Matt
8th February 2013, 06:35
When are we likely to hear the song, I have high hopes!

In early March
Source (http://www.esctoday.com/44642/the-netherlands-entry-to-be-revelead-in-early-march/)

Cor
11th February 2013, 14:40
What an attitude she shows! 8-)xrose When the second egg hits she get furious but still manage to sing the song with passion. xrunhug What happened with the egg-thrower? What a f!ckn bastard! Lynched by the other 60000 spectators?

It's an old tradition at Pinkpop to pelt Dutch acts with eggs, rotten fruit, Russian salads.
Shocking Blue, Doe Maar, Anouk were all treated that way.

Mickey
21st February 2013, 21:21
According to various websites, the song Anouk will sing is called "Birds Falling Down". One of its Swedish writers doesn't like ESC and thinks his song is too good for it.

The Netherlands: “The Song Can’t Win Eurovision” (http://eurovoix.com/2013/02/21/the-netherlands-the-song-cant-win-eurovision/)

A-lister
21st February 2013, 21:45
According to various websites, the song Anouk will sing is called "Birds Falling Down". One of its Swedish writers doesn't like ESC and thinks his song is too good for it.

The Netherlands: “The Song Can’t Win Eurovision” (http://eurovoix.com/2013/02/21/the-netherlands-the-song-cant-win-eurovision/)

MORE Swedish writers??? Oh God... NEW RULES EBU NEW RULES!!!

The producer comes across as a real indie snob jerk... he better shut his mouth in may if he doesn't want to hurt the chances of the song. It's obvious he know nothing about ESC if he speaks like that.

The song could be good though, I have big hopes on this one. But it's a let-down that there's Swedes involved everywhere in this contest, and the person behind being a jerk doesn't help either.

Terence
21st February 2013, 23:34
Is the song about some hunting season?

A-lister
21st February 2013, 23:36
Is the song about some hunting season?

:lol:

This comment is extra priceless considering you're from Malta, the country which statistically have the largest bird-hunting/capita in whole Europe :lol:

aletem
21st February 2013, 23:50
These birds better run away:
http://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/mugged-by-a-seagull-with-a-prosthetic-beak.jpg

http://www.eurovision.tv/save-files/resizes/d6/3f/be/e8/0b/d2/6e/36/e2/9c/8b/93/48/aa/10/5d/Ireland.jpg

Mozz
22nd February 2013, 00:07
:o :o : The song title was announced today and I missed it??

A-lister
22nd February 2013, 00:27
And here I was hoping for a song in Dutch xcry

*joke*

ethn
22nd February 2013, 01:11
MORE Swedish writers??? Oh God... NEW RULES EBU NEW RULES!!!

The producer comes across as a real indie snob jerk... he better shut his mouth in may if he doesn't want to hurt the chances of the song. It's obvious he know nothing about ESC if he speaks like that.

The song could be good though, I have big hopes on this one. But it's a let-down that there's Swedes involved everywhere in this contest, and the person behind being a jerk doesn't help either.

TRUE,TRUE,TRUE!!!!!

toinou03
22nd February 2013, 03:04
Tore Johansson xshock

Gosh this will be huuuge ! :o I already love Anouk work so now I guess it will be my favorite one !!!!
Oh I can't wait ! :D

toinou03
22nd February 2013, 03:08
BTW, Anouk already orked with Martin Gjerstadt and Tore Johansson so... she didn't look for Swedish productors. She just went to work with persons she's used to... :)

A-lister
22nd February 2013, 03:17
BTW, Anouk already orked with Martin Gjerstadt and Tore Johansson so... she didn't look for Swedish productors. She just went to work with persons she's used to... :)

I see. Well, that's a different case then... and tbh it's not as if I'm surprised that she's worked with Swedish people, I mean Swedish songwriters/composers/producers are all over the world.

On paper though it'll just look as if Swedes once again involved themselves in another country's ESC entry, and that's the concern here.

However, in this case it seems to be a more genuine and natural collaboration and not hired just for the sake of ESC. Still though, generally speaking, it would be the best for ESC if EBU set a rule that entries must be made by citizens only or atleast by people who played an active role in the country's music scene (like for instance in this case where the act have worked with these people in the past).

toinou03
22nd February 2013, 03:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFbfBVo_0Q

Anouk launched her 7th album with this Gjerstad/Johansson song.

BTW, Tore Johansson is a genius so I hope it will be great !

moop
22nd February 2013, 05:35
this will end like it always does when theres a special artist,with a specially written song. engelbert last year anyone ?? and he atleast had a few songs to choose from

Sean
22nd February 2013, 05:59
Birds Falling Down is a pretty unusual title for a song so I'm gonna assume (and hope) that lyrically at least this will be one of the most interesting entries this year. Whether that will reflect on the quality of the song itself, only time can tell.

theCONWEL
22nd February 2013, 12:14
Anouk says that the song title is just 'Birds' :)
The Netherlands: Anouk with ‘Birds’ to Eurovision | esctoday.com | your daily eurovision centre (http://www.esctoday.com/46163/the-netherlands-anouk-with-birds-to-eurovision/)

ESC
22nd February 2013, 13:22
I believe it will be something for the juries. Maybe she could make the unbelieveble thing and bring the Netherlands to the final. Hope she will do it like Tom Dice for Belgium.

toinou03
22nd February 2013, 13:40
It will be for everyone. She has one of the best producers of Europe. All her albums and singles are number 1 in the Netherlands. I don't think she will arrive with a pile of crap... But with another number 1 in the Netherlands.

OK, Holland had bad luck in Eurovisions, but they didn't deserve any final with De Toppers, Shalalie Shalala and so on... And at the 1 semi-time, you all know it was more difficult to qualify...

I'm 100% sure the Netherlands will make it and I really hope so ! :)

Centrix
22nd February 2013, 13:44
The tittle is promissing, the same is the artist. I think Netherlands will have a good results, if the song will be good then maybe we will see Amsterdam in 2014. :) Anyway, congrats for their tv station because it seems they finally wake up and try with something serious. They blamed for nothing their results until now.

Terence
22nd February 2013, 13:50
:lol:

This comment is extra priceless considering you're from Malta, the country which statistically have the largest bird-hunting/capita in whole Europe :lol:

I beg to differ - I'm anti-hunting!! Poor birds, as long as the bird's indeed called Dustin!

Ah well, it seems that they dropped the other two words... it's just 'Birds' now!

A-lister
22nd February 2013, 13:54
I beg to differ - I'm anti-hunting!! Poor birds, as long as the bird's indeed called Dustin!

Ah well, it seems that they dropped the other two words... it's just 'Birds' now!

I didn't say you like hunting, I just liked your comment and coming from Malta it made it even more fun ;)

moop
22nd February 2013, 16:07
It will be for everyone. She has one of the best producers of Europe. All her albums and singles are number 1 in the Netherlands. I don't think she will arrive with a pile of crap... But with another number 1 in the Netherlands.

OK, Holland had bad luck in Eurovisions, but they didn't deserve any final with De Toppers, Shalalie Shalala and so on... And at the 1 semi-time, you all know it was more difficult to qualify...

I'm 100% sure the Netherlands will make it and I really hope so ! :)

the problem with big name producers/ songwriters is that at no point have they ever delivered a big hit entry before.

ever heard of love generation ? well they have had 2 songs written for them by RedOne on of the biggest producers out there and yet they dident even manage to get the swedish nod.

another thing that sets off my alarm bells is that anouk used to be somewhat popular in europe and when they dig up has beens and put them on the stage it almost always ends up in horrible failure

RainyWoods
22nd February 2013, 16:54
"It's a beautiful song, but it has no chance for victory. It's sophisticated music with many chords, but not a song that wins the contest."

Those words fill me with hope. Could be in for another Suus/Et Sil Fallait Le Faire moment I hope. The fact that one of the creators has said it has no chance of victory either.. that doesn't mean it can't be rewarded highly however. I'm really looking forward to hearing this now.

Yamarus
23rd February 2013, 00:25
So excited about Anouk participating in ESC!!! She is an amazing performer, I'm sure her song will be worth it if it's like RainyWoods described (indeed it also fills me with hope :-D)

GRE
25th February 2013, 13:16
snippet of the song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0Yx1KK700&feature=player_embedded

RainyWoods
25th February 2013, 13:30
Wow I can tell this will be one of my favourite songs this year just from that little snippet. Very haunting. I wonder what the accompaniment will be like.. orchestral or more of an acoustic vibe? I suppose it could be something completely different even.. I'm intrigued and cannot wait to hear it!

i anixi
25th February 2013, 14:19
Didn't sound that promising to me... and believe me, I'm eager to share your enthusiasm, as there's not much so far to get one's teeth into. Besides Norway and Albania, that is.

toinou03
25th February 2013, 15:26
WoW ! This sounds really great ! I'm excited to have the whole thing ! This will go really high ! :)

Milos-BC
25th February 2013, 18:24
I am not impressed with this snippet. It sounded pretty bland to me.

But, I will still wait for the whole song before making my final judgement :D

VikingTiger
25th February 2013, 18:51
Very excited about Anouk. And I would really really love to see the Netherlands in the finals. With the juries (at least) I think 2013 will be the year! From the snippet I have no idea how the final song will sound though...
Joan brought indians to the eurovision. Sieneke brought a couple of "musical puppets"...
Will we see Anouk bring some Angry Birds???

Odalis
25th February 2013, 19:03
Very excited about Anouk. And I would really really love to see the Netherlands in the finals. With the juries (at least) I think 2013 will be the year! From the snippet I have no idea how the final song will sound though...
Joan brought indians to the eurovision. Sieneke brought a couple of "musical puppets"...
Will we see Anouk bring some Angry Birds???

Mr. Hitchcock approves :lol:

I really-really-really want The Netherlands to make it to the Final this year (together with San Marino and Montenegro).

CC92
25th February 2013, 19:14
Snippet does not sound bad but without instrumentation it is really hard to tell at this point. I suppose it is the chorus, isn't it?

kengaIME
25th February 2013, 20:45
This is making me very curious, bring the song!xyaay

ESC
26th February 2013, 14:17
Bad quality, but more of the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIEny8vJ99w

Nikkita
26th February 2013, 15:40
Snippet looks promising,go Anouk!
I wanna be in Amsterdam at 2014. :D

ethn
26th February 2013, 15:50
Bad quality, but more of the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIEny8vJ99w

It s as if I hear a movie song from the 5Os , the bad quality of the video really adds to that!!! But then again, I love movies from the 50s......Let s see.......

toinou03
26th February 2013, 16:10
Bad quality, but more of the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIEny8vJ99w

Just a word : WOOOOOOOOW ! No wonder she will be in my top !

Yamarus
26th February 2013, 16:13
I'm a bit underwhelmed. Am I the only one? But still, fingers crossed for the final version.

PS: at the end she's saying that it's a bit of a Fifties song, but with very modern production and a bombastic show. No drums.

ethn
26th February 2013, 16:17
I'm a bit underwhelmed. Am I the only one? But still, fingers crossed for the final version.

PS: at the end she's saying that it's a bit of a Fifties song, but with very modern production and a bombastic show. No drums.

she did say that???well that was exactly the feeling I got.....gets better and better I think

EscGeek
26th February 2013, 19:25
better than ::al 2012 and ::fr 2009...that's for sure8-)

DanielLuis
26th February 2013, 20:22
Very excited about Anouk. And I would really really love to see the Netherlands in the finals. With the juries (at least) I think 2013 will be the year! From the snippet I have no idea how the final song will sound though...
Joan brought indians to the eurovision. Sieneke brought a couple of "musical puppets"...
Will we see Anouk bring some Angry Birds???

The Netherlands can get support from the televote as well. They would have qualified last year if it was 100% televote.

RainyWoods
26th February 2013, 22:10
better than ::al 2012 and ::fr 2009...that's for sure8-)

You be trolling me?:rolleyes:

This song does sound in a different league though to what we have been presented so far this year. I couldn't even manage to grasp it on first listen. Such a weird melody. I honestly cannot wait to hear this thing properly.

ethn
28th February 2013, 21:45
Any fresh update on when the song is released....?

joyster
1st March 2013, 15:25
Any fresh update on when the song is released....?

Monday 11th March she will sing Birds on a special press moment!

EscTurkey
1st March 2013, 16:53
When her manager said the song was too good for ESC, I knew it would be some bland piece of SH** and now I see I was right. BOOOORING!! It won't draw my interest unless it has an AWESOME instrumental background music.
I think&believe&hope the Netherlands will fail to qualify to the finals again.
P.s. I like Anouk so much. She doesn't deserve this song.

A-lister
1st March 2013, 18:08
^
It wasn't her manager but one of the songwriters of the song that said it, and he seems to be a jerk. However, the song can be good. We still have yet to hear the whole thing in good quality so it's hard to tell yet.

JohnDoe
1st March 2013, 21:09
When her manager said the song was too good for ESC, I knew it would be some bland piece of SH** and now I see I was right. BOOOORING!! It won't draw my interest unless it has an AWESOME instrumental background music.
I think&believe&hope the Netherlands will fail to qualify to the finals again.
P.s. I like Anouk so much. She doesn't deserve this song.

I hope that the Netherlands don't give any points to Turkey with your **** songs the next years, when you come back.

joyster
1st March 2013, 21:38
It was 1 producer (out of two producers) said that about the song, what he also said was that this song was beautiful, very big and very different then the usual ballads on eurovision!
This song was not given to Anouk, Anouk herself choose this song, because she believe in it.
Well it will be something new for eurovision, but that does not have to mean that it will be bad!
Why already be negative if you never hear the complete song?

Matt
1st March 2013, 21:48
It's very difficult to judge the song based on the snippet over the phone which was very bad quality. As a matter of fact I had a good impression and I have a feeling I'm going to like it (fingers crossed). Though it'll be difficult to top your last effort. I loved "You and me", too bad she butchered the live performance.

joyster
1st March 2013, 22:45
Yes Matt the phone snippet from birds was very bad, I even did not hear the music well on the snippet.
Anouk worked 2 years on her new album Sad Singalong Songs, I dont know if you listen to Stardust already, thats also a song from this new album. Anouk herself said that al these songs are something new from what she has done before.
She said you can call them soundtracks from movies, that kind of stuff, more relax and more songs that have a deeper meaning, music to close your eyes and just listen to the music!
It will not be dance and it will not be rock, it will be a ballad but not the usual one, this ballad will be different, and thats why the producer said that this is not a typical eurovision song...

Sven
6th March 2013, 23:34
I want to hear the whole song now !!! I already know, my 12 Points go to the Netherlands :-)
Anouk must to the final. I hope so.

Good luck

joyster
7th March 2013, 13:20
4 days left....:))

CypriotGirl
7th March 2013, 13:31
Not impressed by the snippets. I expected something much better. It sounds very boring to me :(

joyster
7th March 2013, 14:04
Not impressed by the snippets. I expected something much better. It sounds very boring to me :(

I have more faith in Anouk, then in Cyprus this year.

CypriotGirl
7th March 2013, 14:08
I have more faith in Anouk, then in Cyprus this year.

Eh? What does Cyprus have to do with this? :?

joyster
7th March 2013, 14:21
Eh? What does Cyprus have to do with this? :?

Just my opinion just like you have yours!

CypriotGirl
7th March 2013, 14:31
Just my opinion just like you have yours!

Why you mentioned Cyprus and not Malta, Georgia or San Marino then? Have I said that I have faith that Cyprus will do well this year? Check Cyprus' thread for that :?

joyster
7th March 2013, 14:47
Why you mentioned Cyprus and not Malta, Georgia or San Marino then? Have I said that I have faith that Cyprus will do well this year? Check Cyprus' thread for that :?

why are you suddenly so defensive? You say yet what you think, why should I not allowed to? And why should I explain everything I'm saying? You are not the only one that can say what you think...I really said nothing wrong here (I have more faith in Anouk, then in Cyprus this year.) at least I heard the hole cyprus song before I judge, nothing wrong with that, it's just my opinion!

ParadiseES
7th March 2013, 14:54
^
But it's not nice from you that you read a negative opinion from a member and instead of defending your country's song, you just attack her country's.