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escYOUnited
27th April 2012, 04:53
http://www.escunited.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Alemania.png


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y77A9-hQAp0

CPV4931
27th April 2012, 19:58
I hope, there will be some different kind of pre-selection than "Unser Star für..."

Charly
27th April 2012, 21:04
Same format I believe...

Matt
27th April 2012, 21:46
If Roman does reasonably well in Baku I am pretty sure we will have another "Unser Star fuer ....."
I personally strongly dislike the concept as it only gives unknown, young solo artists a chance. What about established acts? What about bands? What about "older" acts?

Anjeza
28th April 2012, 01:12
xyeah
I agree. At first I really liked the idea of searching an unknown singer and focus on the song but for next year we should try to send something different.

Kicker
9th May 2012, 18:00
The problem with known singers and bands in Germany is just that they don't want to participate because every popular singer who fails in Eurovision won't be sucessful anymore and they are just afraid of failing and loosing their sucess...

jaan
10th May 2012, 15:26
Some radio people are trying to establish the New Music Award as new national final. The first edition took place in 2008, the current winners are electro group Captain Capa. The famous band Kraftklub won in 2010.

All nine ARD youth radio stations (MDR Sputnik, You FM, Radio Fritz, Bremen Vier, DasDing, NJoy, on3-radio, UnserDing, 1Live) take part, each of them sends an act to the final. There are no rules about the selection, many broadcasters are organizing their own pre-contests.

As first radio station Bremen Vier is asking it's listeners for the act for this years final in Berlin. Two bands are in the running:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu_XBYQDIdI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k42mWCfR71I

I really like the idea, last years line up was great.

CC92
10th May 2012, 15:31
I would like to see a German schlager (not tailored for ESC like in 2001, 2003) for a change but I know that is impossible with NDR. :( Anyway, I hope they get rid off the idol format and better let unknown artists have a chance to compete with songs.
.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLxeQSbhcGs

CC92
10th May 2012, 15:37
Some radio people are trying to establish the New Music Award as new national final. The first edition took place in 2008, the current winners are electro group Captain Capa. The famous band Kraftklub won in 2010.

All nine ARD youth radio stations (MDR Sputnik, You FM, Radio Fritz, Bremen Vier, DasDing, NJoy, on3-radio, UnserDing, 1Live) take part, each of them sends an act to the final. There are no rules about the selection, many broadcasters are organizing their own pre-contests.

As first radio station Bremen Vier is asking it's listeners for the act for this years final in Berlin. Two bands are in the running:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu_XBYQDIdI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k42mWCfR71I

I really like the idea, last years line up was great.

I did not know about this competition but I rarely listen to the radio in general.:lol: Kraftklub became really famous though. I agree it would be awesome to have a selection method like this.

Joyride
16th May 2012, 16:16
- sorry wrong thread -

A-lister
17th May 2012, 03:11
I would like to see a German schlager (not tailored for ESC like in 2001, 2003) for a change but I know that is impossible with NDR. :( Anyway, I hope they get rid off the idol format and better let unknown artists have a chance to compete with songs.
.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLxeQSbhcGs

Helene WITHOUT A DOUBT my first choice for Germany!!! :mrgreen:

And big fat no to this boring kareoke-Idol / no personality concept.. enough already.

I still wish that someday the OBVIOUS selection show "Bundesvision Song Contest" will actually become the show it's meant to be : Selection for Eurovision!

katastofe
17th May 2012, 22:41
Mandy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YafkJ096-NU

Sandri
18th May 2012, 12:54
Mandy is great! I think she would do it very well with the right song!

Please PM Stefan Raab about that --> Bundesvision Song Contest = National Selection!

Great idea, because their are famous artists (in Germany) and non-famous ones... perfect mix!

Kicker
24th May 2012, 16:56
Oh yes, Mandy Capristo would be awesome!

Thaddeus
28th May 2012, 00:28
Oceana?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVhiBGvVFc

NikkiBoy
28th May 2012, 10:51
No Angels?

Yamarus
28th May 2012, 11:04
No Angels?

GOD NO!

Andrzej1987
28th May 2012, 11:32
No Angels?
They had their chance in 2008

Anjeza
28th May 2012, 20:10
No Angels? Are they still active? (Serious question, I haven't heard of them for like 3 years now except the fuss about Nadja in 2010).

But I have also read that ARD will think about a new way to select the artist for next year (for those who understand German: http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/tv/der-spiegel-ard-und-prosieben-ueberdenken-kooperation-beim-esc-a-835048.html - I will buy the printed version of the magazine tomorrow, I think I can write a bit more about it then)

Matt
28th May 2012, 21:23
A German version of MF would be freakin' awesome. One can only dream.

Sandri
29th May 2012, 00:05
Unser Star für Oslo/Baku would not work as a NF for the future, but I hope they will not go back to old times (when we finished last places and sent 'Schlager' or trash every Year...Urghhhhh!)

sokyratis555
29th May 2012, 07:00
A German version of MF would be freakin' awesome. One can only dream.

i would love that idea, germany has had such a great run previous years (and i include 2006 and 2009 minusing 2007-2008)
i cant wait to see what they bring next year

rajo
29th May 2012, 13:12
Mandy Capristo for Austria (she was discovered her in the Kiddy Contest) xcheer
and Y-titty for Germany :D

Thaddeus
29th May 2012, 19:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWnLiZraV6g&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFXT62QF-6s&feature=related

A-lister
29th May 2012, 19:14
^
You really want the same destiny as UK 2012? :lol:

Bring on Helene Fischer :)

LalehForWD
30th May 2012, 10:49
A legendary German cliché is decadence. Embrace it and win: Dekadenz!

Jennifer Rostock - Mein Mikrofon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW3Lbn0QiTk

Thaddeus
31st May 2012, 00:05
Peter Maffay is a legend!:mrgreen:

What about In Extremo?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uukzu5uCDXU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF4Mbg0_tJc&feature=related

LalehForWD
31st May 2012, 00:57
Peter Maffay is a legend!:mrgreen:

What about In Extremo?

video _snip_
video _snip_


Sure, if they go all the way! Could do with some ladies though. Xandria?

Filip
31st May 2012, 17:22
I've started to like Germany's songs since Lena. I didn't think you would have two good artists in a row, but then you sent Roman with an epic song.
I am most interested in seeing what's next.

Venage
1st June 2012, 02:26
I quite like the idea of choosing our artist through the "New Music Award". Sounds promising as we get to know new bands with new songs :p Bundesvision wouldn't be as good as the "New Music Award" as at least 50% of a song has to be written in German which would exclude several bands and performers. I just hope that we won't send someone like Helene Fischer or Peter Maffay ... nobody of the young generation would watch the contest then.

I already posted them in the other thread of 2012, but what about BenjRose? ^^


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ApYGMfCg3U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LZ_RCjdnzI

QwaarJet
1st June 2012, 10:14
If they change formats to allow better known artists, I'd like to see Kim Petras go. That would be interesting. Not sure if she is any good live though.

CypriotGirl
2nd June 2012, 23:12
I agree with Oceana!

theCONWEL
3rd June 2012, 00:54
Cassandra Steen or Juli! :)

Thaddeus
3rd June 2012, 11:53
Cascada


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hci2UmyOKM&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PThFisHt9o4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27rHMxyjMRg&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KelDcF9IKYc

Kicker
3rd June 2012, 13:02
HEY!
I was the one who wanted to suggest Cascada :lol:

Yes, CASCADA! That'd be so awesome :D

Other songs of them...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsdXPPp8dNk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFXdW3eN2uo&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsDWj2NhInc

In an interview, already somebody asked her what she would think about participating in Eurovision for Germany...


Ansonsten wäre Cascada dank internationaler Chart-Erfolge doch optimal für den nächsten Eurovision Song Contest, oder?
Lustigerweise haben das auch viele unserer Fans vorgeschlagen... aber ob das realistisch ist, müssen andere entscheiden…

Translation:
"Actually, because of many international sucess, Cascada would be totally optimal to take part in Eurovision, aren't they?"
"It's funny because many of our fans also suggested that... but other people have to decide if that is realistic..."

Seems that she isn't averse... ;)

GRE
3rd June 2012, 14:52
Please Germany,not AmericaVision again next year!

Kicker
4th June 2012, 11:43
Please Germany,not AmericaVision again next year!

The problem is just... exactly that is Germany. We just don't really have something like... culture. What do we have? Beer, Lederhosen, Schlager... that's it. It's sad, but we just don't have that much culture as countries like Greece, Spain or Turkey and so, we're very boring "normal". Yes, we have Schlager, and maybe now you ask "Why don't you send Schlager?" - That's quite easy: Schlager isn't accepted by the young generation anymore and nobody listens to it. Also, when you look at the german single charts: How often do we get a german-language No 1? Okay, at the moment, we got one (Die Toten Hosen - Tage wie Diese), but the one before was in 2010... It's sad, but that is Germany.

Sandri
4th June 2012, 13:00
I would send Deichkind... they are brilliant, can't find words for that and live they are awesome, but...

... they would never do ESC
... they are too good for ESC and Europe :D :lol:

At "TV TOTAL"

http://www.myspass.de/myspass/shows/tvshows/tv-total/Deichkind-Bueck-Dich-Hoch--/7868/

GRE
4th June 2012, 13:53
The problem is just... exactly that is Germany. We just don't really have something like... culture. What do we have? Beer, Lederhosen, Schlager... that's it. It's sad, but we just don't have that much culture as countries like Greece, Spain or Turkey and so, we're very boring "normal". Yes, we have Schlager, and maybe now you ask "Why don't you send Schlager?" - That's quite easy: Schlager isn't accepted by the young generation anymore and nobody listens to it. Also, when you look at the german single charts: How often do we get a german-language No 1? Okay, at the moment, we got one (Die Toten Hosen - Tage wie Diese), but the one before was in 2010... It's sad, but that is Germany.
Hmm..i didnt know that you dont have any music culture.
So i suppose something good at least for Geramny 2013.

Sandri
4th June 2012, 14:12
I would say, we have a culture besides Schlager

Deichkind
Die Toten Hosen
Die Ärzte
Culcha Candela
Silbermond (... Wir sind Helden, Revolverheld... all the others)
Kraftklub (!)
Mark Foster
Mia.
Jan Delay
Udo Lindenberg
Clueso

and so on... they are all big in Germany

Our German artists are mostly rap music paired with electro, rock or pop-rock... so there it is

But you're right.. international music does very well in Germany and so national artists have influences of them :)!

Kicker
4th June 2012, 14:24
Maybe Frida Gold or Glasperlenspiel, I'm sure they would get a very good result in Eurovision...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbsqG_R3ySE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NptMTZ8DIJo

But I don't know any other group or singer who sings in german and who could do well in Sweden, which is quite sad... :/

So, I'd say: FRIDA GOLD or GLASPERLENSPIEL or MANDY CAPRISTO or CASCADA for GERMANY in SWEDEN 2013! :D

GRE
4th June 2012, 18:59
I like Frida!!!

Thaddeus
4th June 2012, 20:08
The problem is just... exactly that is Germany. We just don't really have something like... culture. What do we have?

Neue Deutsche Welle?(Nena,Trio,Peter Schilling,Spider Murphy Gang, purple schulz, D.Ö.F., Joachim Witt?:mrgreen:

jaan
4th June 2012, 20:20
Raabs Bundesvision Song Contest line up:

Baden-Württemberg: Xavas
Bayern: Fiva & Das Phantom Orchester
Berlin: B-Tight
Brandenburg: Mellow Mark feat. Nina Maleika
Bremen: Schné
Hamburg: Der König Tanzt
Hessen: Cris Cosmo
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: The Love Bülow
Niedersachsen: Ich kann fliegen
Nordrhein-Westfalen: Luxuslärm
Rheinland-Pfalz: Pickers
Saarland: Orsons feat. Cro
Sachsen-Anhalt- Johanna Zeul
Sachsen: Laing
Schleswig-Holstein: Vierkanttretlager
Thüringen: Maras April

Yamarus
4th June 2012, 21:53
I love Bündesvision and I wish they would use it for ESC.

Well, regardless of the selection method, let me say to Germany: keep up the good work! Three top 10 placings in three years, that's amazing for a (historical) Big 4 country and I feel Germany is the first of them to understand that ESC has changed since the Nineties. I'm eagerly waiting for the UK, France and Spain (and Belgium, BTW) to do the same... LOL!

Sandri
4th June 2012, 23:42
Raabs Bundesvision Song Contest line up:

Baden-Württemberg: Xavas
Bayern: Fiva & Das Phantom Orchester
Berlin: B-Tight
Brandenburg: Mellow Mark feat. Nina Maleika
Bremen: Schné
Hamburg: Der König Tanzt
Hessen: Cris Cosmo
Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: The Love Bülow
Niedersachsen: Ich kann fliegen
Nordrhein-Westfalen: Luxuslärm
Rheinland-Pfalz: Pickers
Saarland: Orsons feat. Cro
Sachsen-Anhalt- Johanna Zeul
Sachsen: Laing
Schleswig-Holstein: Vierkanttretlager
Thüringen: Maras April

Wow, Thank you for that.

Many German Hip-Hop acts and I think After the 90's it's getting better again.

Xaver=Xavier Naidoo and Kool Savas... Very suprised, but excited about that! :)
Der König tanzt= Awesome König Boris
Also I heard of Ich kann fliegen and Luxuslärm.

Very suprised that this year there are no real 'BIG' acts and mainly newcomers.

I have to listen to that all day long
Die Orsons - Jetzt


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LrLpvCIvDIQ

jaan
4th June 2012, 23:43
I have to listen to that all day long
Die Orsons - Jetzt


http://youtube.com/watch?v=LrLpvCIvDIQ

Die Orsons said that they would love to take part in a german national final.

Sandri
4th June 2012, 23:46
Yes? I think they are very talented, but it's very much about lyrics, people wouldn't get that kind of music, it's the same with Deichkind or even Trackshittaz

Venage
5th June 2012, 00:52
Good selection. I like the fact that there are mostly newcomers instead of well-known top-acts. This way one cannot conclude beforehand which act is likely to win. The only thing I find a bit strange is that "Die Orsons" represent the Saarland. Aren't they all Swabians :confused:

jaan
5th June 2012, 01:04
Good selection. I like the fact that there are mostly newcomers instead of well-known top-acts. This way one cannot conclude beforehand which act is likely to win. The only thing I find a bit strange is that "Die Orsons" represent the Saarland. Aren't they all Swabians :confused:

Thought so, too. But Xavier is the "more important" act from Baden-Württemberg. And they can still pretend that Cro comes from there. ;)

Kicker
5th June 2012, 11:48
Yes, but it's obvious that Xavier Naidoo + Kool Savas or Cro are gonna win ;)

PeterLPZ
5th June 2012, 12:18
I´m sure about that, too

Venage
5th June 2012, 12:54
I guess it is not important for the newcomers to win anyway but to get a lot of publicity like Kraftklub last year. They may not have won, but they saw a huge boost in popularity which helped them to get their album to the top of the charts :) As the top acts are going to win either way, it is not a humiliation for them and therefore they are likely to participate in the Bundesvision in the future in contrast to the Eurovision where a last place can destroy careers rather quickly.

Sandri
5th June 2012, 16:48
Yes I agree with that. Without Bundesvision Kraftklub never became that BIG. I hope for 'die Orsons'! Their featuring with Cro is brilliant, because he is well known and good German Hip-Hop on #2 .. Awesome, okay but 'Easy' Is everywhere. Maybe he gonna Push the guys.

Kaas is living in Saarland. This is their big chance, no matter which Bundesland they're starting for.

Venage
5th June 2012, 17:08
Right, it really doesn't matter which Bundesland they're starting for. In the Bundesvision there is thankfully no bloc voting and therefore it doesn't really matter which Bundesland wins. If the act is good each Bundesland will have the chance to win, but if they are awful not even their own Bundesland will vote for itself :lol:

A-lister
5th June 2012, 17:52
Right, it really doesn't matter which Bundesland they're starting for. In the Bundesvision there is thankfully no bloc voting and therefore it doesn't really matter which Bundesland wins. If the act is good each Bundesland will have the chance to win, but if they are awful not even their own Bundesland will vote for itself :lol:

Did I miss something or is there a hope that Bundesvision would become a selection method for Eurovision? I really hope so, it is MEANT to be that way!

Sandri
5th June 2012, 18:01
Did I miss something or is there a hope that Bundesvision would become a selection method for Eurovision? I really hope so, it is MEANT to be that way!

No, I don't think so. But it would be awesome ;)

A-lister
5th June 2012, 18:03
No, I don't think so. But it would be awesome ;)

It surely would be, and most of all it would be LOGICAL! I can't believe you already HAVE a concept for national selection method, but never used it... instead we get this Idol copy instead :(

Sandri
5th June 2012, 18:45
We also have 367478 other casting shows.

Stefan Raab introduced The Bundesvision Songcontest in 2005 after Max Mutzke 8th place. His idea was a show AGAINST Eurovision, because he was angry about that result, so he thought he's (or Germany) gonna do his own thing.

Maybe this is the reason, why it isn't the National Final and at least 50% of vocals have to be in German and a German song for Germany is some years ago... and in the previous years only 'Molitva' did well

A-lister
5th June 2012, 19:05
We also have 367478 other casting shows.

Stefan Raab introduced The Bundesvision Songcontest in 2005 after Max Mutzke 8th place. His idea was a show AGAINST Eurovision, because he was angry about that result, so he thought he's (or Germany) gonna do his own thing.

Maybe this is the reason, why it isn't the National Final and at least 50% of vocals have to be in German and a German song for Germany is some years ago... and in the previous years only 'Molitva' did well

Stefan Raab is a fool (no surprise here really). 8th place for that generic song was EXTREMELY good imo (also considering it was 100% televoting back then). How is it "anti-Eurovision" when it's a national COPY of Eurovision?

So what if most songs are in German? The ESC entry should represent Germany shouldn't it? I mean Germany is always sending American or British products (in terms of songwriters, composers and yeah language aswell), it's getting kind of boring to be honest.

In 2012 3/5 songs in the final top. 5 were 100% in native language, the runner-up was 50/50. People tend to forget that in a contest with 40+ entrants, a top. 10 is GOOD, so one should not just blindly focus on the winning songs only as an argument for or against any type of entry.

Anyways, I'm certain we'll get another talent show and another American import product, but I would hope for something more interesting and representative of the German music scene in 2012. We'll see...

Sandri
5th June 2012, 20:06
Stefan Raab is a fool (no surprise here really). 8th place for that generic song was EXTREMELY good imo (also considering it was 100% televoting back then). How is it "anti-Eurovision" when it's a national COPY of Eurovision?

So what if most songs are in German? The ESC entry should represent Germany shouldn't it? I mean Germany is always sending American or British products (in terms of songwriters, composers and yeah language aswell), it's getting kind of boring to be honest.

In 2012 3/5 songs in the final top. 5 were 100% in native language, the runner-up was 50/50. People tend to forget that in a contest with 40+ entrants, a top. 10 is GOOD, so one should not just blindly focus on the winning songs only as an argument for or against any type of entry.

Anyways, I'm certain we'll get another talent show and another American import product, but I would hope for something more interesting and representative of the German music scene in 2012. We'll see...

You're right, but it was the time of 100% televoters and Germany often finished on last places. In that days it was unbelievable for Germany to win one day again. Nowadays he is very happy with a 8th place of Roman.

I think Raab is brilliant, because without him, Eurovision wouldn't be that succesful in Germany as it is today.
But they have to change the NF and I think they will, viewer numbers were very low this year.

But it's too late to change Bundesvision to NF, because the songs will be played before September...

asa
5th June 2012, 22:48
Also, when you look at the german single charts: How often do we get a german-language No 1? Okay, at the moment, we got one (Die Toten Hosen - Tage wie Diese), but the one before was in 2010... It's sad, but that is Germany.
That may be true for the single charts, but German language albums do extremely well. For example, out of the 10 different albums that topped the German charts this year (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Nummer-eins-Hits_in_Deutschland_(2012)) 7 are in German.

I listen to a lot of German music (none of it Schlager or Volksmusik), but most of it probably wouldn't work too well for Eurovision. For example, there are loads of great singer-songwriters: Gisbert zu Knyphausen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x4NIPIvkhs), Clickclickdecker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEX8bnE0ny4), Moritz Krämer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siF2X_ATxFI), Niels Frevert (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXCPbCNumOU) and Philipp Poisel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhf4tkhhjPU) (links included), just to name a few.
Alin Coen and her band probably aren't Eurovision material either..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG2LUhrVQxs
and neither is Spaceman Spiff (you HAVE to listen to this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1YwWriOIGw), I love it to bits! Maybe close your eyes though if you get queasy easily. ;))


One of these 5 acts could work quite well though, imo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR2etmV2IBw

asa
5th June 2012, 23:10
What about Mia.? Mieze (the singer) was actually part of the German jury this year.


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17uzi_mia-tanz-der-molekule_music

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=3260301703909

Venage
6th June 2012, 01:29
Here is also a small preview video of this year's Bundesvision:


http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/tvtotal/videos/player/index.html?contentId=132209&initialTab=related

Kicker
6th June 2012, 10:40
Not Mia... :?

Sandri
6th June 2012, 12:05
In fact it's very difficult to send a German song. A good German song is at least about 70% lyrics. German lyrics are often very poetic or have to be, because German language is not as easy as English. E.g. 'Eiserner Steg', it's nothing special without that lyrics.

The most sucessful German artists have brilliant lyrics.
So for ESC you need a brilliant song, because people won't get the magic of lyrics.

It could be a try, but I would be very suprised to reach a good place with German lyrics, therefore the song has to be outstanding (something like 'Guildo hat euch lieb', but I don't like joke entries)

Kicker
6th June 2012, 12:34
As I said: Frida Gold or Glasperlenspiel could be very good options - They also worked very well in FSC ("Wovon sollen wir träumen" -> 8th, "Echt" -> 9th, "Ich bin Ich" -> 10th, "Freundschaft" (Glasperlenspiel) -> 7th), so I guess they could reach a good placing. My mother and me always say: If "Wovon sollen wir träumen" had been an ESC Entry, the people would have love it...

Venage
6th June 2012, 13:14
Mhm, I think neither Frida Gold nor Glasperlenspiel would be a good option for the ESC. The songs might be quite nice, but in the end they are too boring, they are not that good at singing live and nobody would understand the lyrics which are an important part of their songs. I agree that German entries strongly depend on the lyrics and therefore it is very hard to send a German entry which is special beyond the magic of lyrics.

Besides BenjRose (who make amazing English music) I could also think of another artist who makes special music which doesn't only shine because of the lyrics: Casper. The lyrics are also an important part of his songs, but the beat is amazing and he has a special voice which would definitely stand out in the ESC. For example this song:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeMLX5gvscg

theCONWEL
6th June 2012, 13:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltQNeihjqB0&ob=av2e

Cassandra Steen and/or Adel Tawil :)

CC92
6th June 2012, 13:36
Sure, most German pop music is not as catchy and 'shallow' as its Anglo-saxon or Scandinavian counterparts but does it have to be? As A-Lister points out, Suus had a deep meaning , was in Albanian (unlike German not an exactly widespread language) and came 5th. Europe hankers after some diversity and (hopefully) will be getting tired of the same stuff written by the same names over and over again. And it is not that 'serious' musicians these days sounded profound like Goethe or Kleist. :lol: You overstate things a bit. Then again, there are also plenty of rather 'lightweight' names (some being mentioned but I would prefer a real schlager or smth. up-tempo ethnic maybe) to choose from. Or something alternative perhaps? No matter what, most important is that we should start to compete with our own products. Not only for a change but that should be introduced as a permanent rule for everyone. Germany is one of biggest music industries in the world and yet our person responsibles cannot arrange a competitive song for the ESC? How self-humiliating. :?
Concerning BSC: Yes, definitely the idea sounds good and I wish the same nevertheless I could understand Raab if he wants to keep the contest open for artists which are not ready to take part in ESC. One could leave the participation optional so that the best-placed willing act will be send or so but honestly then either the 'would-you-do-it-question' would totally overshadow the whole procedure or it would slowly turn BSC into a de-facto-preselection-format like Melodifestivalen (which would not be something bad from my point of view but it seems to be what Raab tries to prevent). Hence why I advocate a kind of 'second BSC' used as a selection method for ESC only. This would be similar to the national finals held until 2005 with the exception of the laender-voting-system (though I do not think it is a must it adds fun and excitement and bloc voting looks manageable) and that all songs have to be from Germany and are to be written/performed in German.

Sean
6th June 2012, 13:38
Could you not do it San Remo style? i.e. keep the normal contest separate from ESC but invite a certain performer to go to Stockholm?

asa
6th June 2012, 13:47
Besides BenjRose (who make amazing English music) I could also think of another artist who makes special music which doesn't only shine because of the lyrics: Casper. The lyrics are also an important part of his songs, but the beat is amazing and he has a special voice which would definitely stand out in the ESC.
I think Casper is great (have seen him live twice), but his voice takes some getting used to, I didn't like it at all the first time I heard it. But yeah, maybe Casper and Kraftclub could go together? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLSTyRaJgrY

LMLandLoreenfan
6th June 2012, 13:53
I think Casper is great (have seen him live twice), but his voice takes some getting used to, I didn't like it at all the first time I heard it. But yeah, maybe Casper and Kraftclub could go together? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLSTyRaJgrY

Love them too...But I think it`s not good for the contest. Would like to have Ivy Quainoo. She is perfect. xyaaay

Venage
6th June 2012, 14:05
I think Casper is great (have seen him live twice), but his voice takes some getting used to, I didn't like it at all the first time I heard it. But yeah, maybe Casper and Kraftclub could go together? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLSTyRaJgrY

This performance was amaaaazing. Regarding Casper's voice: I don't think that it will be a problem. Rona Nishliu also had an unusual voice + song and did very well. It isn't important that everyone likes Casper's voice but to gain attention and to stand out in a crowd of different acts.

asa
6th June 2012, 14:26
This performance was amaaaazing.
I know, completely wasted on the Echo crowd. The audience seemed to be filled with zombies for most of the awards show...

Sandri
6th June 2012, 16:04
I know, completely wasted on the Echo crowd. The audience seemed to be filled with zombies for most of the awards show...

Oh yeah, the most boring crowd in the whole world... An ECHO for them!
Freaking out anybody :lol:?!?

Kraftklub would work IMO. They have great lyrics AND awesome beats+riffs... With a song like 'Songs für Liam' they would blow Sweden away :D

Very excited who and how they gonna choose one...

jaan
6th June 2012, 19:25
Oh yeah, the most boring crowd in the whole world... An ECHO for them!
Freaking out anybody :lol:?!?

Kraftklub would work IMO. They have great lyrics AND awesome beats+riffs... With a song like 'Songs für Liam' they would blow Sweden away :D

Very excited who and how they gonna choose one...

Some acts that announced their interest to take part in a national final next year:

Tim Bendzko

http://vimeo.com/28769615

MIA

http://vimeo.com/36773266

Die Orsons

http://vimeo.com/39359803

Andreas Bourani

http://vimeo.com/34857805

Bullmeister

http://vimeo.com/27060812

Die Toten Crackhuren Im Kofferraum

http://vimeo.com/17963850

Cascada

http://vimeo.com/41872749

Ira Atari & Rampue

http://vimeo.com/13206096

Enno Bunger

http://vimeo.com/37242697

Hello Gravity

http://vimeo.com/22345997

Blumentopf

http://vimeo.com/25656568

Mariama

http://vimeo.com/5193083

Klee

http://vimeo.com/32957507

Jamaram

http://vimeo.com/16358913

Oceana

http://vimeo.com/15112828

Bernd Begemann

http://vimeo.com/32136636

Olli Schulz

http://vimeo.com/6931920

Venage
6th June 2012, 20:08
Olli Schulz? That would be soooo awesome. Even if he didn't win that would be the funniest ESC ever. He is just crazy at times and doesn't care what other people think of him :lol: Together with Joko and Klaas he would bring total chaos to the ESC, for example this way on the red carpet :mrgreen::


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4TqvGzb1HM

Thaddeus
7th June 2012, 02:13
Unheilig

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc798a_unheilig-geboren-um-zu-leben_music

PeterLPZ
18th June 2012, 15:23
Kraftklub would be great. xcheer

Anastasia15
18th June 2012, 19:21
Yes, Kraftklub would be awesome indeed.

WorldSong
18th June 2012, 22:19
LaFee would be a pretty good entry for Germany

Matt
18th June 2012, 22:33
I'm really concerned about the 2013 selection process. Now that the partnership between ARD and Pro Sieben is pretty much over due to low viewing numbers, ARD may just go back to the old system and we all know how that's been working out for us in the past.

WorldSong
18th June 2012, 22:42
Unser Star für... definatley put Germany in better lights Eurovision wise. As soon as they started to use the format, they won, so it'll be a shame to see them go back to bad results. I'm happily used to seeing Germany in the top ten

Venage
18th June 2012, 23:05
I don't think the partnership of ARD and Pro7 will split apart completely. They will rather develop a new concept to attract the masses while delivering good new artists. "Unser Star für" this year was just so boring and couldn't compete with "The Voice" which clearly had the better artists. If they want to keep the concept of USF as it is they should probably just send the winner of "The Voice" 2013 with a decent song to Eurovision.

However, if they are clever they will let newcomer bands participate with their own songs from the beginning. This would be a unique selling point which at least appeals to me.

daniels1000
19th June 2012, 01:41
pls Germany leave Unser Star for... Last three years,Germany was all three times in my Top 15 ( two times in my Top 5 )

Kicker
19th June 2012, 15:39
I still think Mandy Capristo would be a great option...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW-cW7jNCpM

A-lister
19th June 2012, 15:58
I'm really concerned about the 2013 selection process. Now that the partnership between ARD and Pro Sieben is pretty much over due to low viewing numbers, ARD may just go back to the old system and we all know how that's been working out for us in the past.

Well, it didn't work out because the songs were bad, but I still prefer that system (if you're referring to the national finals) to the current Idol system.

Thaddeus
23rd June 2012, 17:58
Die Prinzen!!!:mrgreen:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH4S9RQv5Os&feature=related

A-lister
24th June 2012, 15:56
^
Only Germans would vote for them, and well... Germany can't vote for their own entry :lol:

Venage
24th June 2012, 21:16
I guess not even Germans would vote for them, they're horrible :?

CC92
25th June 2012, 02:05
I guess not even Germans would vote for them, they're horrible :?

Agreed. They have two or three cult hits, well, like these or not but in general their music (and I do not want to sound offending but I think as the members themselves :lol:) is extremely awkward and also unsuccessful at present. Lead singer Sebastian Krumbiegel was in the ESC jury for 2009 and said a few silly things about Eastern Europe and other issues. All in all a big NO from me.

CC92
25th June 2012, 02:30
Princess Gloria von Thurn und Taxis for educational liability.:lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucRTL2GQYS8

CPV4931
26th June 2012, 15:29
Or Wolfgang Lippert? xD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBjM5HsyxgU

No... I hope, we keep sending "serious" entries

tuorem
26th June 2012, 16:31
No... I hope, we keep sending "serious" entries

Otherwise, if you want to send a good joke entry, please send Anke Engelke! :lol:

Thaddeus
10th August 2012, 21:37
Doro Pesch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw7HkBTctTY

Charly
13th August 2012, 13:30
I like to see Revolverheld represent Germany =.=

PeterLPZ
14th August 2012, 10:21
I like to see Revolverheld represent Germany =.=

xyeah

Thaddeus
14th August 2012, 21:41
how about Die Doofen? :lol:

Die Doofen (“The Stupids”) was a German comedy music group, consisting of the two comedians Wigald Boning and Olli Dittrich(Texas Lightning)

The band was formed in 1992 under the name Wigald Boning & Die Doofen, but split up after their debut album. Boning and Dittrich joined the German television show RTL Samstag Nacht (“RTL Saturday Night”) in 1993 on which they worked as comedians until 1998. They also reunited as a band (under the name Die Doofen) on this show. They are best known for their two albums in this period. Their number one album Lieder, die die Welt nicht braucht (“Songs that the world does not need”) sold more than 1.000.000 copies in Germany.[1] Their single “Mief” (“Stink”) was also a number one hit in their native country. They have won the German music awards Echo, Bambi, Goldene Stimmgabel and Goldene Europa. Boning and Dittrich split up again in 1998 in the last episode of RTL Samstag Nacht with a parody of the song "Time to Say Goodbye”.

Die Doofen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Doofen)


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x427l4_die-doofen-mief_fun

Anjeza
16th August 2012, 21:16
That would be epic :lol:

DannyDS
17th August 2012, 02:00
I hope to see some German schlager next year :D :D

Kryptonite
17th August 2012, 13:32
I hope to see some German schlager next year :D :D

Well, you can hope, but I'm pretty sure that it's not gonna happen. Especially not if they keep the "Unser Star Für.." concept. In that case, they'll probably continue sending radio-friendly pop entries, sung by somehow cute artists. And actually, I wouldn't mind that! I loved both "Satellite" and "Standing Still". :lol:

CC92
17th August 2012, 20:19
I hope to see some German schlager next year :D :D
Well, you can hope, but I'm pretty sure that it's not gonna happen. Especially not if they keep the "Unser Star Für.." concept. In that case, they'll probably continue sending radio-friendly pop entries, sung by somehow cute artists. And actually, I wouldn't mind that! I loved both "Satellite" and "Standing Still". :lol:

Exactly. To make that happen, we would have to abdicate NDR from responsibility first. There was a great possibility for that until 2009, but given their recent run of good placings they surely will stay in charge at least for the next couple of years. The Unser Star für... soap might go though. *Fingers crossed*

Kicker
17th August 2012, 20:38
I'm pretty sure Germany won't send any schlager to Eurovision because here in Germany the most people strongly dislike every kind of schlager so I don't see any chance for this to represent Germany in the near future (and honestly I think Germany will never ever be represented by schlager anymore because I'm sure this kind of music is dying).

And I think we're going to have another selection process this year: The viewing rate this year were just much too low...

rajo
17th August 2012, 20:45
Oh, come on, Andrea Berg has now a 10 year chart-run with her Best Of. I don't see that Germans hate schlager.... :lol:

DannyDS
17th August 2012, 20:55
lol what are you guys talking about... Schlager is da shizz here in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern :D :lol:

CC92
17th August 2012, 20:56
I'm pretty sure Germany won't send any schlager to Eurovision because here in Germany the most people strongly dislike every kind of schlager so I don't see any chance for this to represent Germany in the near future (and honestly I think Germany will never ever be represented by schlager anymore because I'm sure this kind of music is dying).

Whut? :o Therefore it is doing extremely well on tv, in the media, in the sell charts, etc. :lol: If something is dying I think it is more the notorious anti-schlager attitude that rose up with the 1968's movements (fighting against everything bourgeois, traditional). Nope, it is not a 'quality' genre but most of the current Electro pop stuff is even worse in this respect I'd say.

Sim
17th August 2012, 20:58
^^

just saw an advertisement on Belgium tv of a full cd with german schlagers:D
I had to think on you guys :lol

A-lister
17th August 2012, 22:17
Whut? :o Therefore it is doing extremely well on tv, in the media, in the sell charts, etc. :lol: If something is dying I think it is more the notorious anti-schlager attitude that rose up with the 1968's movements (fighting against everything bourgeois, traditional). Nope, it is not a 'quality' genre but most of the current Electro pop stuff is even worse in this respect I'd say.

Exactly!

I mean some of the most STABLE and best selling album sellers in Germany are schlager artists.. while the rest come and go.

Helene Fischer xcheer

CC92
17th August 2012, 22:49
Whut? :o Therefore it is doing extremely well on tv, in the media, in the sell charts, etc. :lol: If something is dying I think it is more the notorious anti-schlager attitude that rose up with the 1968's movements (fighting against everything bourgeois, traditional). Nope, it is not a 'quality' genre but most of the current Electro pop stuff is even worse in this respect I'd say.
Exactly!

I mean some of the most STABLE and best selling album sellers in Germany are schlager artists.. while the rest come and go.

Helene Fischer xcheer

Though in the Netherlands, her album lost the peak position this weak :( ... to Jantje Smit. xcheer

That proves IMHO that schlager is eligible also on an international level but, well, it will not happen as long as NDR is in charge. At least not from us.

A-lister
17th August 2012, 22:56
Though in the Netherlands, her album lost the peak position this weak :( ... to Jantje Smit. xcheer

That proves IMHO that schlager is eligible also on an international level but, well, it will not happen as long as NDR is in charge. At least not from us.

Yeah, same goes for the Netherlands which seem to be having a "schlager-revival" going on, because there schlager is doing great not only in the Album charts (as in Germany), but also on the Singles chart.

Music snobs will always be haters, but I applaud more local and traditional stuff blooming... I mean is there some sort of natural law that Americanized Pop (ironically often produced by Swedes :lol:) in English must be the only eligible music or what? This is one of the reasons why I think it's very important that ESC stays true to its actual concept and not sell-out totally.

DannyDS
17th August 2012, 22:58
Exactly!

I mean some of the most STABLE and best selling album sellers in Germany are schlager artists.. while the rest come and go.

Helene Fischer xcheer

She's fabulous!

A-lister
17th August 2012, 23:00
She's fabulous!

Oh she is, and whoever say she's "cheap" because she does schlager should realize that she's a really talented singer and performer... way more so than the everyday German pop chick singing in English... most of those have very limited talents tbh.

CC92
17th August 2012, 23:37
She's fabulous!Oh she is, and whoever say she's "cheap" because she does schlager should realize that she's a really talented singer and performer... way more so than the everyday German pop chick singing in English... most of those have very limited talents tbh.

Because almost all those 'careers' are based on idol shows and disappear after one hit (or flop) single. Normally established artists, regardless of the genre they are representing, use to write or sing in German and that ironically reflects the situation in about 90% of European countries (their respective native tongue, of course). I agree with all who say it is a pity that ESC is not in line with this trend at all. We probably need two "Molitvas" in a row or so to make people (actually: the broadcasters) understand that not everyone is keen on listening to English-language music; at least not only. Even better a "Molitva" which has some commercial success afterwards.

As for Helene, she has had a musical training so indeed it would be ridiculous to call her "un-talented". By the way, Jean Frankfurter, her producer and writer of a lot (I think most) of her songs composed the German entry for ESC 1978. Which also is my favourite in that year. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpFajK46rk

Kicker
18th August 2012, 13:59
Schlager is just doing well in the Album charts, in the single charts, it just doesn't come trough. For example, just look at the discographie of Helene Fischer: Helene Fischer/Diskografie (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helene_Fischer/Diskografie)
And the people who buy the albums are mostly people around the age of 60. The young generation in general doesn't like schlager or at least I don't know any person around me who likes schlager. I stick with my opinion that schlager isn't accepted by the young generation.

CC92
18th August 2012, 17:18
^ Album sales prove the acceptance of an artist and her repertoire and moreover are more appropriate to indicate what people really *like* to listen to rather than following media generated hypes. It is no coincidence that the single and download charts are full of trashy American ar... eh sound-making people, whereas the album charts are dominated by more serious and especially established musicians. And that is not a genre thing; also not local vs. international music. Basically, the single charts here stopped being valuable for me a long time ago. :lol:
There are schlager (as well as pop, rock) artists whose target groups mainly are older people (e.g. Semino Rossi, Amigos) but in case of Helene that is just not true; she has many young fans. Though I generally do not think it is important who listens to which music. Are young, male, academic, whichever tastes superior to others? :o

DannyDS
19th August 2012, 02:28
Roland Kaiser performed in Schwerin today! :D :D

Venage
22nd August 2012, 22:36
Schlager? Hell no! It's most of the time just horrible and the only image that comes to my mind is this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kordm9VT4eg

There is a lot of good music in German, but not Schlager. That's at least the opinion of the majority of the young people. I don't know anyone < 60 who actually listens to this stuff.

A-lister
22nd August 2012, 22:53
Schlager? Hell no! It's most of the time just horrible and the only image that comes to my mind is this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kordm9VT4eg

There is a lot of good music in German, but not Schlager. That's at least the opinion of the majority of the young people. I don't know anyone < 60 who actually listens to this stuff.

Ageism is not cute, never was and never will be. Oikophobia is also not cute and musical snobby-ism isn't either...

Helene Fischer is a type of artist which is liked by all ages, and atleast that type of schlager is played in some quite popular and trendy clubs in Berlin (talking from experience), so the "age and popularity" argument is not working. There is good and bad in all genres. I mean I could post the worst and most pathetic pop songs and argue "no Pop!" for Germany... so that doesn't say much really, it's just rhetoric.

A-lister
22nd August 2012, 22:55
^ Album sales prove the acceptance of an artist and her repertoire and moreover are more appropriate to indicate what people really *like* to listen to rather than following media generated hypes. It is no coincidence that the single and download charts are full of trashy American ar... eh sound-making people, whereas the album charts are dominated by more serious and especially established musicians. And that is not a genre thing; also not local vs. international music. Basically, the single charts here stopped being valuable for me a long time ago. :lol:
There are schlager (as well as pop, rock) artists whose target groups mainly are older people (e.g. Semino Rossi, Amigos) but in case of Helene that is just not true; she has many young fans. Though I generally do not think it is important who listens to which music. Are young, male, academic, whichever tastes superior to others? :o

Thank you! Again well said!

CC92
22nd August 2012, 23:44
Schlager? Hell no! It's most of the time just horrible and the only image that comes to my mind is this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kordm9VT4eg

There is a lot of good music in German, but not Schlager. That's at least the opinion of the majority of the young people. I don't know anyone < 60 who actually listens to this stuff.

Have you ever been to Ballermann or some other (youth) tourists location? Suppose not. :lol: Most of that is, however, not the kind of Schlager I would like to see chosen for ESC. :)

PeterLPZ
27th August 2012, 17:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc9iep-juKc

This song is great and I like Bakkushan.

CPV4931
27th August 2012, 17:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc9iep-juKc

This song is great and I like Bakkushan.

Indeed a very good song, but I like their "Springwut" (they participated in "Bundesvision Song Contest" with it) a bit more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0tF4UbbIjk

Anyway, Bakkushan is a great band.

PeterLPZ
27th August 2012, 17:28
Cassandra Steen and Adel Tawil - Stadt


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpCA3KhCzZo

Die Toten Hosen - Tage wie diese


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW0TWwna5hs

Luxuslärm - Atemlos


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt3FWob0oRE

PeterLPZ
27th August 2012, 17:31
Indeed a very good song, but I like their "Springwut" (they participated in "Bundesvision Song Contest" with it) a bit more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0tF4UbbIjk

Anyway, Bakkushan is a great band.

Oh yeah, Springwut is also a great song.

PeterLPZ
27th August 2012, 17:36
Luxuslärm would be a great group for ESC. One of my lovely songs of them is "1000 km bis zum Meer"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmUjoQ8rS-Y

Thaddeus
4th September 2012, 16:16
De Höhner


http://is1.myvideo.de/de/user_pics/125/pic_5203125_1218269898.jpg

De Höhner (Kölsch for The Chickens) is a band from Cologne, Germany. They sing in the local dialect of Cologne, Kölsch.They are particularly successful in the area around Cologne, although they are popular nationwide. The band is famous for performing at the Cologne carnival. Their most popular carnival songs are "Echte Fründe", "Pizza wunderbar", "Die Karawane zieht weiter" and "Viva Colonia".

Höhner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6hner)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xucEXox2TP4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQpHUWnct4Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRaXCvgTfhY

katapult
4th September 2012, 20:11
^
xsos :o :shock:xgaahxpolicexstarsxpuke:lol:

Ladies and gentlemen, please fasten your safety belts...you are entering a world of pain.

(Btw, where's the Big-Lebowski-Smiley when you need it? :twisted:)

Venage
4th September 2012, 23:01
^
xsos :o :shock:xgaahxpolicexstarsxpuke:lol:

Ladies and gentlemen, please fasten your safety belts...you are entering a world of pain.

(Btw, where's the Big-Lebowski-Smiley when you need it? :twisted:)

This :?

Etl
11th September 2012, 20:24
Could Modern Talking ever participate?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoqYHDiB6ew

CPV4931
11th September 2012, 20:52
Could Modern Talking ever participate?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoqYHDiB6ew

I don´t think so - they seperated in 2003 and the chance for a reunion is very small...

CPV4931
14th September 2012, 19:43
There won´t be a cooperation between ARD and Pro7 in 2013... (The cooperation started in 2010 with "Unser Star für Oslo". "Unser Song für Deutschland" and "unser Star für Baku" followed.)
Vorentscheid 2013 ohne ProSieben | Das Erste: Eurovision Song Contest - News - News National (http://www.eurovision.de/news/national/esc1339.html)

PeterLPZ
14th September 2012, 20:48
I´m looking forward to the new concept.

Matt
14th September 2012, 20:59
This is due to the low ratings this year. It is unfortunate in some ways as Germany became a Eurovision Power house over the past few years but also exciting cause I'm not a big fan of the Idol style shows so hopefully having "real" artists will get a chance to represent Germany. But I truly hope they don't go back to the concept from 2008 and before, something in between would be nice.

A-lister
14th September 2012, 22:11
This is due to the low ratings this year. It is unfortunate in some ways as Germany became a Eurovision Power house over the past few years but also exciting cause I'm not a big fan of the Idol style shows so hopefully having "real" artists will get a chance to represent Germany. But I truly hope they don't go back to the concept from 2008 and before, something in between would be nice.

Agree! "Real" artists thank you! But yup, hopefully they learned from most disasters prior "Lena" though.

I still secretly wish and cross fingers that Bundesvision will be the selection method finally, if not this time around, maybe for 2014.

PeterLPZ
17th September 2012, 14:06
This is only possible from 2014 on, because Bundesvision is sent in Pro7. But you are right, perhaps the next time, I agree with this concept.

Thaddeus
19th September 2012, 11:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKYnlHYnyU

:lol:Raab is back!

PeterLPZ
2nd October 2012, 00:22
I would prefer a song like this one from "Luxuslärm" - 4th place at Bundesvision Songcontest.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udf2QzkgoOc

asa
2nd October 2012, 12:34
I would prefer a song like this one from "Luxuslärm" - 4th place at Bundesvision Songcontest.
Yes, it's not bad and I think it could actually work.

These were my favourites at this year's Bundesvision (in no particular order):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNE2Kf2HbTo
I thought their performance (http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/tvtotal/videos/player/index.html?contentId=134754&initialTab=related&showId=1794-01)was great!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dUBQ0mYMJQ
Bundesvision performance (http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/tvtotal/videos/player/index.html?contentId=134744&initialTab=related&showId=1794-01) (it's really annoying Pro7 always has those deleted on YouTube).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyZmXeSqD5M
Bundesvision performance (http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/tvtotal/videos/player/index.html?contentId=134749&initialTab=related&showId=1794-01). It's a little on the boring side, but not bad overall.

I also really like Vierkanttretlager and their performance stood out, but I prefer their rockier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T32-B7RhV_w) songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39MsT3BrEB4).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uFenJ6GKEY
Bundesvision performance (http://tvtotal.prosieben.de/tvtotal/videos/player/index.html?contentId=134745&initialTab=related&showId=1794-01).

asa
2nd October 2012, 13:04
Kraftklub would work IMO. They have great lyrics AND awesome beats+riffs... With a song like 'Songs für Liam' they would blow Sweden away :D

Yeah, I think it could totally work. Apparently the Goethe Institute sent them on a tour through Colombia last month and from the videos it seems like the crowd loved them. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg1JQeffJRk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dADTmHMHwyo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0bZh5ZSxqc

PeterLPZ
2nd October 2012, 16:34
These are all big talents in Germany and this music would represent Germany very good. I hope for such a choice for next year.

Venage
4th October 2012, 18:48
What about Muso? His debut album will be released by the end of 2012 which would fit quite well with Eurovision. The video of his first song is made by my favourite filmmakers "BildundTonFabrik" xyes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7xCSKQKFHM

Kicker
4th October 2012, 20:00
THIS to fit with Eurovision? We would end up at 26th place without any doubt...

Venage
4th October 2012, 20:34
"Taken by a Stranger" was weird, "Malibu Beach" is special, so why not surprise everyone? This is way better than our boring entry from this year xyaay Better risk something with a good and special song where opinions diverge than sending some boring entry which is forgotten very fast after the ESC.

jaan
9th October 2012, 01:12
+++Gossip+++Gossip+++Gossip+++

German national final will take place in the beginning of march. Ten songs will take part, one by each local radio broadcaster (+ Deutschlandradio). Die Orsons will be one of the selected acts.

Jim
9th October 2012, 01:12
+++Gossip+++Gossip+++Gossip+++

German national final will take place in the beginning of march. Ten songs will take part, one by each local radio broadcaster (+ Deutschlandradio). Die Orsons will be one of the selected acts.

From where do you know that information?

CPV4931
10th October 2012, 18:07
At least some news: There will be only one show in February (20:15 @ARD).
As already revealed, there won´t be a cooperation between ARD and ProSieben this year.
(Ein Abend für Malmö | Das Erste: Eurovision Song Contest - News - News National (http://www.eurovision.de/news/national/vorentscheid325.html))

Matt
10th October 2012, 19:46
2013 German national final will be held next February, and will be televised live on ARD Das Erste at 20.15 hrs. The date, the venue and host city, along with further details regarding the method and mechanism of the 2013 German national final will be revealed by NDR in due course.

Nikoreindeer1973
14th October 2012, 14:20
Höhner


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw5HmEjSyM4

De Räuber


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRWosStESaw

Thaddeus
16th October 2012, 14:23
http://media.ztat.net/media/A1276/lp/data/images/news-styles/de_redesign/news/interviews/cro/DE_NS_in_xl_kw23_CRO_348x538.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV4fONSDFUQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wOoLLDXbDY

CC92
16th October 2012, 15:33
^ Yay to that. Unlikely to happen though.

Venage
16th October 2012, 21:32
Very unlikely. As unlikely as Casper representing us next year :(

https://instagr.am/p/QwmD4Zn7sl/media/?size=l

PeterLPZ
17th October 2012, 18:35
I´m sure, that there will be no star at the NF. Perhaps some z-promi-singer but nobody well-known. I don´t know, why the ARD makes such a secret about the NF. I don´t think it will be something special.

Kicker
17th October 2012, 19:36
I'd still say Glasperlenspiel or Frida Gold...

A-lister
17th October 2012, 22:06
I'd still say Glasperlenspiel or Frida Gold...

Frida Gold would be a good choice, then finally we might get actual German pop music.

Thaddeus
19th October 2012, 13:00
How about a german medieval band?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo38j6r3l4U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGPsG2w_g3w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-Ph1r_46I

Vorentscheid
19th October 2012, 17:00
The german preselection will be broadcasted live from Cologne on February 22nd at 20.15 on ARD, produced by Jörg Grabosch (Brainpool) for NDR/ARD and hosted by famous comedians Anke Engelke and Bastian Pastewka. Lena Meyer-Landrut & Miss Li and Roman Lob will be special guests as well as ESC-winner Loreen and german Volksmusik stars Wolfgang & Anneliese Funzfichler.

The biggest german record labels were invited to submit their proposals. A jury with NDR and Brainpool staff selected the ten final acts: Anna Depenbusch (105music), Die Höchste Eisenbahn (Tapete), Die Orsons (Chimperator), Frittenbude (Audiolith), Jennifer Rostock (Warner), Kraftklub (Universal), Materia & Yasha & Miss Platnum (Sony), Oceana (Embassy of Sound), Tim Neuhaus & The Cabinet (Grand Hotel van Cleef), Xandria (Drakkar).

All in all 18 record labels suggested 57 artists. Some of the acts who didn’t make it are Sharyhan Osman (Sony), Mark Forster (Sony), Jan Sievers (Sony), Supershirt (Audiolith) and BigSoul (Ariola).

CPV4931
19th October 2012, 17:35
The german preselection will be broadcasted live from Cologne on February 22nd at 20.15 on ARD, produced by Jörg Grabosch (Brainpool) for NDR/ARD and hosted by famous comedians Anke Engelke and Bastian Pastewka. Lena Meyer-Landrut & Miss Li and Roman Lob will be special guests as well as ESC-winner Loreen and german Volksmusik stars Wolfgang & Anneliese Funzfichler.

The biggest german record labels were invited to submit their proposals. A jury with NDR and Brainpool staff selected the ten final acts: Anna Depenbusch (105music), Die Höchste Eisenbahn (Tapete), Die Orsons (Chimperator), Frittenbude (Audiolith), Jennifer Rostock (Warner), Kraftklub (Universal), Materia & Yasha & Miss Platnum (Sony), Oceana (Embassy of Sound), Tim Neuhaus & The Cabinet (Grand Hotel van Cleef), Xandria (Drakkar).

All in all 18 record labels suggested 57 artists. Some of the acts who didn’t make it are Sharyhan Osman (Sony), Mark Forster (Sony), Jan Sievers (Sony), Supershirt (Audiolith) and BigSoul (Ariola).

source?

asa
19th October 2012, 19:34
The german preselection will be broadcasted live from Cologne on February 22nd at 20.15 on ARD, produced by Jörg Grabosch (Brainpool) for NDR/ARD and hosted by famous comedians Anke Engelke and Bastian Pastewka. Lena Meyer-Landrut & Miss Li and Roman Lob will be special guests as well as ESC-winner Loreen and german Volksmusik stars Wolfgang & Anneliese Funzfichler.

The biggest german record labels were invited to submit their proposals. A jury with NDR and Brainpool staff selected the ten final acts: Anna Depenbusch (105music), Die Höchste Eisenbahn (Tapete), Die Orsons (Chimperator), Frittenbude (Audiolith), Jennifer Rostock (Warner), Kraftklub (Universal), Materia & Yasha & Miss Platnum (Sony), Oceana (Embassy of Sound), Tim Neuhaus & The Cabinet (Grand Hotel van Cleef), Xandria (Drakkar).

All in all 18 record labels suggested 57 artists. Some of the acts who didn’t make it are Sharyhan Osman (Sony), Mark Forster (Sony), Jan Sievers (Sony), Supershirt (Audiolith) and BigSoul (Ariola).
That would be amazing, but it isn't real, is it?

Venage
19th October 2012, 19:44
Kraftklub :confused: Never, this has to be a fake.

CC92
19th October 2012, 22:22
Don't feed the troll.

Impressive
20th October 2012, 18:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GILPX4XTRTA

I can't imagine that kind of a song on Eurovision stage but if you ask me, would be amazing.

Matt
30th October 2012, 19:31
Rumor has it that the preselection will take place at Cologne Lanxess Arena in the last week of february.

jaan
2nd November 2012, 14:40
Get ready for an official announcement soon.

jaan
18th November 2012, 12:03
From escnation:

Anybody curious about the twelve names for the german national final? Here they are!

Andreas Bourani:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/andreasbourani109_v-contentgross.jpg

Anna Depenbusch:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/annadepenbusch103_v-contentgross.jpg

Bakkushan:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/bakkushan104_v-contentgross.jpg

Die Orsons:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/dieorsons109_v-contentgross.jpg

Glasperlenspiel:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/glasperlenspiel105_v-contentgross.jpg

Mark Forster:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/markforster109_v-contentgross.jpg

Mia Diekow:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/miadiekow101_v-contentgross.jpg

Miss Platnum:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/missplatnum106_v-contentgross.jpg

Niels Frevert:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/nielsfrevert103_v-contentgross.jpg

Stefan Gwildis:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/stefangwildis104_v-contentgross.jpg

Tim Neuhaus:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/timneuhaus101_v-contentgross.jpg

Y’akoto:
www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/yakoto109_v-contentgross.jpg

LalehForWD
18th November 2012, 12:56
^ After google YT videos of the above and a quick look'n'hear I'd say yesss to:

Glasperlenspiel
Miss Platnum
Y’akoto

edit:
And there will be a turbojahoo for:
Jennifer Rostock and Xandria

LalehForWD
18th November 2012, 13:20
Xandria - Valentine (Neverworld's End, 2012) ("Gothic metal" :D)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx9OoLwiAho

Kicker
18th November 2012, 13:43
If this is really true, Glasperlenspiel has very good chances to win the selection. And it would be an amazing choice!

It is also confirmed that Glasperlenspiel is working on their second album and that it will be released "in a few months" - Could really fit :D

rajo
18th November 2012, 13:45
Happy to see Germany having some known artists and bands again :)

But the Unser Star show was also great.

Venage
18th November 2012, 14:02
Y'akoto and Miss Platnum are awesome, but I would really like to know how escnation got this names. I guess it's just a rumour/fake ...

Nikkita
18th November 2012, 15:26
I hope it's real cause i love Miss Platnum.She has this very colorful personality,a great voice and a big heart :D

Venage
18th November 2012, 15:31
Mhm at least if you look at the links, it is most likely fake. Anyone could create such links on the official German eurovision page.

OMG Halle Barry will represent Germany next year :lol:

http://www.eurovision.de/teilnehmer/cloudatlas113_v-contentgross.jpg

LalehForWD
18th November 2012, 15:39
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/catwoman-halle-berry.jpg

Venage
18th November 2012, 15:45
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/catwoman-halle-berry.jpg

That outfit would definitely get some votes :lol:

Matt
18th November 2012, 20:41
Regarding the list of acts mentioned above. This is what escflashmalta posted


There has been no official announcement from the German broadcaster with regards to the acts that have been picked to lead the national selection but it seems that the choices have been made with official pictures plucked into the database of the server and thus exposed to the public through a couple of odds and ends

Kicker
18th November 2012, 23:07
So that means this has really chances to be true?

Venage
18th November 2012, 23:22
I still highly doubt it as I cannot think of a way they found the pictures on the server of eurovision.de.

The only interesting thing I can see is the fact that all of the images were modified yesterday around 10pm. This would indicate that these are indeed the artists for the German pre-selection, but I wouldn't bet on it.

CC92
19th November 2012, 00:42
I still highly doubt it as I cannot think of a way they found the pictures on the server of eurovision.de.

The only interesting thing I can see is the fact that all of the images were modified yesterday around 10pm. This would indicate that these are indeed the artists for the German pre-selection, but I wouldn't bet on it.

How is that saying something? Other than that the troll (quite obviously) up-loaded them at the same time. :? We have had a slightly more blatant fake of this kind some weeks ago already.

Venage
19th November 2012, 00:56
How is that saying something? Other than that the troll (quite obviously) up-loaded them at the same time. :? We have had a slightly more blatant fake of this kind some weeks ago already.

Modified means, that they were modified/uploaded on the official server of eurovision.de. Obviously the "troll" doesn't have access to that server which indicates that someone from the NDR/eurovision.de staff modified these pictures.

CC92
19th November 2012, 00:59
^ Okay. I did not know one could see this. Thanks. :D

PeterLPZ
19th November 2012, 18:55
I hope, these rumours will get true. This would be great.

Kicker
19th November 2012, 23:04
Glasperlenspiel <3

Ich hab euch so vermisst, ihr habt mir so gefehlt, hab euch lang nicht gesehen, hab so viel zu erzählen! Und wie sich die Welt heute Nacht um uns dreht, auf dass diese Freundschaft NIEMALS vergeht! :D

PeterLPZ
20th November 2012, 19:31
Really good song, David. I like it a lot, as you know :)

Matt
23rd November 2012, 02:38
German NF will be on Feb 14th. The exact number of contestants has yet to be determined but according to Thomas Schreiber there will be between eight and twelve acts. The voting will be done in three phases. All songs will be aired on nine ARD radios the week prior to the final night and the listeners will get to vote for their favourite song. The added votes of the five member jury and the televoters will decide Germany’s song for Malmo. The artists will be announced in December

Matt
23rd November 2012, 02:40
And even better news, stating 2014 Germany wants to do a MF style National Final. The German broadcaster’s plans would have kicked off this year but there was not enough time for such a demanding scheme.

Sean
23rd November 2012, 06:36
Pff, you lucky Germans :(

Venage
23rd November 2012, 12:34
Finally some good news. Now I want to see good artists for the show :)

CC92
23rd November 2012, 12:59
I am prepared for an epic fail. xrofl

Kicker
23rd November 2012, 16:57
I'm very curious... And please let the Glasperlenspiel-thing be true... And Melodifestivalen for 2014 is AWESOME <3

Venage
23rd November 2012, 17:37
No Glasperlenspiel for me please xshrug

Any other newcomer/alternative artist is highly welcome though xdance

Mickey
23rd November 2012, 19:45
German NF will be on Feb 14th. The exact number of contestants has yet to be determined but according to Thomas Schreiber there will be between eight and twelve acts. The voting will be done in three phases. All songs will be aired on nine ARD radios the week prior to the final night and the listeners will get to vote for their favourite song. The added votes of the five member jury and the televoters will decide Germany’s song for Malmo. The artists will be announced in December

Valentine's Day?

Crap. How am I going to explain this to my girlfriend?

Venage
23rd November 2012, 21:04
I'd go for Valentine's Day. It's far more important than watching TV :mrgreen:

A-lister
25th November 2012, 15:40
Valentine's Day?

Crap. How am I going to explain this to my girlfriend?

:lol:

By showing her love THE REST of the year and not just on a commercial stunt-day perhaps? ;)

Mickey
25th November 2012, 18:23
:lol:

By showing her love THE REST of the year and not just on a commercial stunt-day perhaps? ;)

So I make a stand against the cynically capitalist made-up love day and stay at home "as a protest," when really I just want to watch a live-streamed Eurovision national final? Genius.

Venage
25th November 2012, 18:33
There is some unconfirmed (!) news about German national final, but I post it regardless as it comes from a reliable source:

Thema anzeigen - Eurovision Song Contest 2013 - Quotenmeter.de (http://forum.quotenmeter.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14815&start=175)

It basically says that the band "Glasperlenspiel" hasn't been asked to participate and therefore will not be one of the participants. The same applies for "Helene Fischer" (thank God). One of the participants will be a band project which consists of more than 6 members as of now. In addition a world-known international dance-act is likely to participate in the national final (Cascada anyone?). On December 12th all of the details will finally be published.

These are not really breathtaking news but I'm quite happy that neither Glasperlenspiel nor Helene Fischer will participate. Theyare way too boring, but this is just my opinion of course.

CC92
25th November 2012, 18:56
How can one lable Helene Fischer as boring? :lol: But I am happy too since she is way too good for Eurovision and would just run the risk of harming her career. xcheer Glasperlenspiel would of made a good ESC act though. I also think the international dance act could be either Cascada or Scooter who already wanted to go to ESC in 2004. Both are relatively flopping these days and might try to refurbish their careers. It also could be Laserkaft 3D who only had one hit single or someone non-German.

A-lister
25th November 2012, 19:40
So I make a stand against the cynically capitalist made-up love day and stay at home "as a protest," when really I just want to watch a live-streamed Eurovision national final? Genius.

Exactly! :mrgreen:

A-lister
25th November 2012, 19:44
The same applies for "Helene Fischer" (thank God).

These are not really breathtaking news but I'm quite happy that neither Glasperlenspiel nor Helene Fischer will participate. Theyare way too boring, but this is just my opinion of course.

"thank God"? IOTAP

Helene Fischer is my #1 on my wishlist for German ESC entrant! She would be perfect for ESC. She's beautiful, professional and most of all local and imo that is what ESC should be all about! (not this wannabe American nonsense all the time).

Not many German singers in ANY genres comes near the perfection of Helene Fischer tbh! One can say what they want about the Schlager genre, but she is a world-class artist and not "just a trashy schlager singer". She is one of those Schlager singers that REALLY gives the genre a good face. She's also one of the few German-language acts with followers in non-German native countries, and there's a reason for that.

DannyDS
25th November 2012, 19:48
Helene xheart

Sean
25th November 2012, 19:50
The international dance act rumour is intriguing, unless it's been misinterpreted that could only really mean Scooter or Cascada. Fair play to Germany if they can now attract artists like that (I know Scooter have tried before but regardless it's impressive in this day and age in a Big 5 country)

A-lister
25th November 2012, 19:52
The international dance act rumour is intriguing, unless it's been misinterpreted that could only really mean Scooter or Cascada. Fair play to Germany if they can now attract artists like that (I know Scooter have tried before but regardless it's impressive in this day and age in a Big 5 country)

Scooter and Cascada??? :lol: That could have been 'fresh' in the 90's (well Cascada is not really from the 90's, but they fit there). I know that the current trend is very 90's oriented, but not in this way :lol:

... and people here laugh at the thought of an actual pro-artist like Helene Fischer :lol:

Kicker
25th November 2012, 20:21
OMG. Please let it be Cascada, pleeeeaaaase <333

I really could imagine that a song like this could fit with Eurovision :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQgVurPOklY

And also, Natalie is a great live singer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APG-e9SIi1c

Venage
25th November 2012, 20:34
I don't particularly like Cascada or Scooter, but I think that it would be quite interesting to have one of those as an act in the national final. It would be just one of twelve artists, so no need to panic as there will hopefully be amazing newcomers as well. Although Helene Fischer might be a professional, I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who likes listening to her songs here in Germany. Maybe this is not important to you, but before Stefan Raab Eurovision was mostly watched by people over the age of 50, so I cannot imagine that the ARD would dare presenting us Schlager artists for the national final.

As the production company of Stefan Raab is still on board which hosted ESC 2011 and ESC 2012, I have no doubt that they will present us some good acts so we don't need to be ashamed of our country :lol:

CC92
25th November 2012, 20:47
Although Helene Fischer might be a professional, I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who likes hearing her songs here in Germany. Maybe this is not important to you, but before Stefan Raab Eurovision was mostly watched by people over the age of 50, so I cannot imagine that the ARD would dare presenting us Schlager artists for the national final.

xsleep This false propaganda is getting very boring.


As the production company of Stefan Raab is still on board which hosted ESC 2011 and ESC 2012, I have no doubt that they will present us some good acts so we don't need to be ashamed of our country :lol:

As Lena Meyer-Landrut is liked by the majority of Germans.:rolleyes:

Venage
25th November 2012, 20:52
xsleep This false propaganda is getting very boring.

Go on, make a field study in a high school or university to your liking and I guarantee that no one will admit that he/she listens to Helene Fischer :mrgreen:



As Lena Meyer-Landrut is liked by the majority of Germans.:rolleyes:

At least in 2010 this was indeed the case :D

A-lister
25th November 2012, 20:55
Although Helene Fischer might be a professional, I don't know anyone under the age of 40 who likes listening to her songs here in Germany. Maybe this is not important to you, but before Stefan Raab Eurovision was mostly watched by people over the age of 50, so I cannot imagine that the ARD would dare presenting us Schlager artists for the national final.

So your suggestion is to shoot all 40+ people then? :lol:

Helene Fischer is one of the best-selling acts in Germany, for sure she's more serious than Cascada will ever become. I'd love for Germany to just send a 'German' act finally. A song in German and that actually reflects German music or local music. Cascada would end up like Kate Ryan did, they are totally has-been act. Their biggest hit is a cover released 7+ years ago, and that's it.

CC92
25th November 2012, 21:07
^^ I shall not continue this discussion because it is obvious that you either live in a very small Pro7 media bubble or work for Brainpool yourself touting their conecpt/attitude to others here. Just take at the look at the sales and you will see who is how popular.

Venage
25th November 2012, 21:12
So your suggestion is to shoot all 40+ people then? :lol:

Helene Fischer is one of the best-selling acts in Germany, for sure she's more serious than Cascada will ever become. I'd love for Germany to just send a 'German' act finally. A song in German and that actually reflects German music or local music. Cascada would end up like Kate Ryan did, they are totally has-been act. Their biggest hit is a cover released 7+ years ago, and that's it.

Of course not, but the ARD wanted to attract young people, so they won't dare scaring the young audience away by sending a Schlager star to the competition. It may sound unfair, but combine ESC and Schlager artists in the media and the young people won't watch the national final no matter how good the Schlager artist might be. Schlager in Germany means old-fashioned, so no way she would have a chance. In addition the ARD works together with its young radio stations throughout the whole of Germany which will play and feature the artists of the national final. Look at the common playlists of these radios and you will notice that a Helene Fischer doesn't fit in:

Playlists - Musik - 1LIVE (http://www.einslive.de/musik/playlists/)

In the end you have to decide to either cater for the younger or the older audience and the ARD obviously aims for the younger audience. Therefore no Helene Fischer :p


^^ I shall not continue this discussion because it is obvious that you either live in a very small Pro7 media bubble or work for Brainpool yourself touting their conecpt/attitude to others here. Just take at the look at the sales and you will see who is how popular.

It's pretty superficial to suggest that I only watch Pro7 and listen to some commercial popstars only because I don't like the music of Helene Fischer. I'm just telling you the most obvious fact that the majority of the young people don't listen to Helene Fischer as well. Helene Fischer is popular of course, but popular doesn't mean that she is popular among the young folks.

Matt
25th November 2012, 21:14
Ugh, Helene Fischer may have a pretty voice but her music is horrendous. Volksmusic is making my ears bleed and certainly does not represent the German taste in music as a whole. It's similar to the Croatian klapa music they're trying to send...Ugh.

CC92
25th November 2012, 21:23
Ugh, Helene Fischer may have a pretty voice but her music is horrendous. Volksmusic is making my ears bleed and certainly does not represent the German taste in music as a whole. It's similar to the Croatian klapa music they're trying to send...Ugh.

What musical genre is typifying the German taste in music as a whole then? :lol: And it is ironic that the supporters of Raab/Brainpool suddenly care so much about the representativeness of the entry after sending British/Scandinavian/American rejects three years (all under Raab) in a row. Also Helene Fischer is doing Schlager music, not Volksmusik.

Matt
25th November 2012, 21:32
What musical genre is typifying the German taste in music as a whole then? :lol: And it is ironic that the supporters of Raab/Brainpool suddenly care so much for the representativeness of the entry after sending British/Scandinavian/American rejects three years (all under Raab) in a row. Also Helene Fischer is doing Schlager music, not Volksmusik.

She won the Volksmusik (Krone der Volksmusik) award 4 times. :D


And I'm all for a fair NF (Melodifestivalen starting 2014) where all kinds of songs will be in the running and the German public gets to vote for their favorite. If Helene Fischer wins then by all means send her but I highly doubt that's going to happen :D

And I'm no Raab supporter as a matter of fact it's almost the opposite. But I just don't believe that Helene Fischer's music is the answer, I find that music is just way too dated and out of touch.

CC92
25th November 2012, 21:48
She won the Volksmusik (Krone der Volksmusik) award 4 times. :D


And I'm all for a fair NF (Melodifestivalen starting 2014) where all kinds of songs will be in the running and the German public gets to vote for their favorite. If Helene Fischer wins then by all means send her but I highly doubt that's going to happen :D

And I'm no Raab supporter as a matter of fact it's almost the opposite. But I just don't believe that Helene Fischer's music is the answer, I find that music is just way too dated and out of touch.

Given her popularity I am pretty sure she would have the first place in the televote in her pocket even if her song was not the best/most appealing. Unless she were to compete against acts like Grönemeyer, Peter Fox, Unheilig, Rammstein, maybe Cro etc. but none of the them is going to happen. So well xshrug
I find it contradictory and irritating to lable the currently most successful/popular genre 'dated'. If the music meets one's personal taste or not is a different thing.
However, I strongly agree with you that a NF should contain a multitude of various musical genres and styles.

A-lister
25th November 2012, 21:57
In the end you have to decide to either cater for the younger or the older audience and the ARD obviously aims for the younger audience. Therefore no Helene Fischer :p


So you mean younger audience is more important than older? xshrug

Here I thought ESC was for everyone, but I must have mistaken then...

Also, the aim of ESC is to represent your country. Maybe in a local sense attracting the younger audience to make it more popular could make sense (although I think that's a narrow-minded way of approaching things), but if you look at the bigger picture I could see someone like her doing pretty well on ESC and also it does represent a part of German local music scene which I think you shouldn't be ashamed of at all.

A-lister
25th November 2012, 22:02
If Helene Fischer wins then by all means send her but I highly doubt that's going to happen :D

And I'm no Raab supporter as a matter of fact it's almost the opposite. But I just don't believe that Helene Fischer's music is the answer, I find that music is just way too dated and out of touch.


Given her popularity I am pretty sure she would have the first place in the televote in her pocket even if her song was not the best/most appealing. Unless she were to compete against acts like Grönemeyer, Peter Fox, Unheilig, Rammstein, maybe Cro etc. but none of the them is going to happen. So well xshrug
I find it contradictory and irritating to lable the currently most successful/popular genre 'dated'. If the music meets one's personal taste or not is a different thing.
However, I strongly agree with you that a NF should contain a multitude of various musical genres and styles.

She's one of the most successful acts in Germany, she's one of the few German acts (German languages ones and English languages ones alike) with an actual European following. I think her sales numbers and selling out Arena tours are telling enough that would she enter the German selection, she would probably be one of the hot favorites based on her name and popularity alone.

And contrary to some ideas in here, Schlager (including Helene) was (and is still) played in trendy 20yo's crowds "in-clubs" in Berlin that I visited... so people should maybe widen their horizons because it's really not always what it seems on the surface.... and who controls the surface? The people? Not really...

Just because some ageist oikophobe radio programmers doesn't pick her songs to their "youth trendy radio" playlists, doesn't mean she's not popular and disliked by the younger crowd. I ask the same question as I did in some other thread: Is there a natural-law that all music that could be "in" must reflect the American (youth) market or isn't there room for local European styles aswell in this world? (atleast in Europe?), and isn't the whole purpose with ESC to promote and represent European music rather than just the American controlled trends? xshrug

DannyDS
25th November 2012, 22:02
Just send Ute Freudenberg... Or Ina Maria Federowski, her song "Hast Du Ein Leben" is fierce!

Kicker
25th November 2012, 22:05
Cascada would end up like Kate Ryan did, they are totally has-been act. Their biggest hit is a cover released 7+ years ago, and that's it.

Wrong. Their biggest hit was "Evacuate the Dancefloor" in 2009, and also "Summer Of Love" (2012) did quite well in Europe. ;)
They aren't that big anymore, but they're still there :)

A-lister
25th November 2012, 22:06
Wrong. Their biggest hit was "Evacuate the Dancefloor" in 2009, and also "Summer Of Love" (2012) did quite well in Europe. ;)

Their ONLY actual international hit was "Everytime We Touch" and that's a fact ;)

DannyDS
25th November 2012, 22:08
Cascada just totally sucks.

CC92
25th November 2012, 22:09
Just because some ageist oikophobe radio programmers doesn't pick her songs for their "youth trendy radios" mean she's not popular and disliked by the younger crowd.

Funny thing is that these radio programmers and person responsibles (Raab, Schreiber, etc.) are all 40+ and 50+ themselves. Apparently they know best what's good for the youth though. Maybe it is midlife-crisis related or smth. :lol:

A-lister
25th November 2012, 22:12
Funny thing is that these radio programmers and person responsibles (Raab, Schreiber, etc.) are all 40+ and 50+ themselves. Apparently they know best what's good for the youth though. Maybe it is midlife-crisis related or smth. :lol:

That's usually the case yes, which makes it even more pathetic... and sort of reminds me of how the judges in ESC works aswell :lol:

"Now we gonna be hip, let's through in some useless rapper in the mix, the 'kids' like that don't they?" :lol:

Kicker
25th November 2012, 22:12
Their ONLY actual international hit was "Everytime We Touch" and that's a fact ;)

Lol? No, that's totally wrong. Their most sucessful song was Evacuate the Dancefloor - selling 3.000.000 copies world wide, entering the top25 of the american charts, peaking at No. 1 in the UK and the Netherlands, as well as in over 10 other countries reaching the top10. Of course, that IS a hit.
Evacuate the Dancefloor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuate_the_Dancefloor)

CC92
25th November 2012, 22:13
Their ONLY actual international hit was "Everytime We Touch" and that's a fact ;)

To be fair Evacuate the dance floor was a big hit abroad. The rest though did not have much impact on the charts.

Kicker
25th November 2012, 22:17
Also "Miracle" (#1 in France), "Truly Madly Deeply", "What Hurts The Most" and "Summer Of Love" did very well abroad ^^

A-lister
25th November 2012, 22:17
Lol? No, that's totally wrong. Their most sucessful song was Evacuate the Dancefloor - selling 3.000.000 copies world wide, entering the top25 of the american charts, peaking at No. 1 in the UK and the Netherlands, as well as in over 10 other countries reaching the top10. Of course, that IS a hit.
Evacuate the Dancefloor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuate_the_Dancefloor)

Well, the one song that comes to my mind when hearing about Cascada is the "Everytime We Touch" cover (it was #1 here, Evacuate top. 15).

But ok then, they had TWO international hits, one cover and one Gaga/RedOne wannabe song :lol: ... doesn't change much imo.

Kicker
25th November 2012, 22:20
Cascada - Vikip (http://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascada)
Just look at this - Cascada is still very known in Europe and so they could do quite well - but that's just my personal opinion and I'd say we just let it be this way :D

A-lister
25th November 2012, 22:22
Cascada - Vikip (http://lv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascada)
Just look at this - Cascada is still very known in Europe and so they could do quite well - but that's just my personal opinion and I'd say we just let it be this way :D

I'd say this is the same case as with Kate Ryan. She's probably equally known, she made her career on making Eurodance covers of known songs... but all in all no one really cares.

Venage
25th November 2012, 22:34
So you mean younger audience is more important than older? xshrug

Here I thought ESC was for everyone, but I must have mistaken then...

Also, the aim of ESC is to represent your country. Maybe in a local sense attracting the younger audience to make it more popular could make sense (although I think that's a narrow-minded way of approaching things), but if you look at the bigger picture I could see someone like her doing pretty well on ESC and also it does represent a part of German local music scene which I think you shouldn't be ashamed of at all.

Sad but true, the young audience is indeed more important than the old ones to the TV stations. Their success is measured in terms of people around the age 14-49. People with the age of 50 and above don't pay off as the TV stations get NOTHING out of advertising for this age-group. It might not be fair, but that's the way it is. As the ARD yearns for a younger image, they won't let a genre participate in the national final which scares off the young audience.

Representing a country doesn't mean that we have to send a Schlager star. There are a lot of good musicians (even successful ones) who sing in German and make pretty good music. Kraftklub for example make good German music and are well received by the younger audience, let alone Casper, Cro, Peter Fox just to name some famous musicians.
In contrast in 2009 only 7% of the people between the age of 20 and 29 were interested in Schlager (source: &bull; Volksmusik und Schlager: Altersstruktur der Käufer 2011 | Statistik (http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/28116/umfrage/alterstruktur-der-kaeufer-von-schlagern-und-volksmusik/)).


Funny thing is that these radio programmers and person responsibles (Raab, Schreiber, etc.) are all 40+ and 50+ themselves. Apparently they know best what's good for the youth though. Maybe it is midlife-crisis related or smth. :lol:

Of course these people are around the age of 50 or do you suggest putting a 20 year old in the top management of a German TV station? It should be clear that these guys have enough young people who work for them and who are aware of the new trends. Look at the team of 1Live:

Team - 1LIVE (http://www.einslive.de/team/)

I don't see anyone who looks 40+, so they will most likely know what the majority of young Germans wants. It might not be the music you like to listen to, but they must do something right as they are one of the most successful radio stations for the young audience. I doubt that this would be the case if they started playing Helene Fischer and other Schlager stars ...

Staewi
25th November 2012, 22:39
I don't see anyone who looks 40+, so they will most likely know what the majority of young Germans wants. It might not be the music you like to listen to, but they must do something right as they are one of the most successful radio stations for the young audience. I doubt that this would be the case if they started playing Helene Fischer and other Schlager stars ...
They don't know what's right for the youth, they get money from America so they hold back our own cultural influences ;) xrofl

CC92
25th November 2012, 22:41
They don't know what's right for the youth, they get money from America so they hold back our own cultural influences ;) xrofl

Du schon wieder. :p

Venage
25th November 2012, 22:45
They don't know what's right for the youth, they get money from America so they hold back our own cultural influences ;) xrofl

And you do?

DanielLuis
25th November 2012, 22:48
To be honest I wouldnt mind something like Evacuate the dancefloor on eurovisio, except that rap part.

A-lister
25th November 2012, 22:51
Sad but true, the young audience is indeed more important than the old ones to the TV stations. Their success is measured in terms of people around the age 14-49. People with the age of 50 and above don't pay off as the TV stations get NOTHING out of advertising for this age-group. It might not be fair, but that's the way it is. As the ARD yearns for a younger image, they won't let a genre participate in the national final which scares off the young audience.

What are you on about? The majority of advertisements are ACTUALLY meant for people 30+ because there's the actual purchasing-power (and not amongst 14-25). Also, 14-49 is a very wide range you mentioned there, hardly just the 'youth'. Well, if they REALLY want a wide range of audience and a general larger one they would let in different genres, a broadcaster limiting themselves would get less audience so you're actually wrong there, they won't get more public by banning a certain genre or only limiting themselves to cater to one audience group, if they manage to have a wide range of styles they would get the largest public possible (like MF).



Representing a country doesn't mean that we have to send a Schlager star. There are a lot of good musicians (even successful ones) who sing in German and make pretty good music. Kraftklub for example make good German music and are well received by the younger audience, let alone Casper, Cro, Peter Fox just to name some famous musicians.
In contrast in 2009 only 7% of the people between the age of 20 and 29 were interested in Schlager (source: • Volksmusik und Schlager: Altersstruktur der Käufer 2011 | Statistik (http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/28116/umfrage/alterstruktur-der-kaeufer-von-schlagern-und-volksmusik/)).

I'm just saying what I would like for Germany, surely there are other options. I don't want just 'any' Schlager star, I want Helene because she's got the whole package imo :mrgreen:

Well, they are taught into disliking it and there's alot of stigma, but still though this is not just for the youth, it's a song that should be sent for Europe to judge and should represent the German music scene. So far we got very LITTLE of that from Germany and I don't see the harm in atleast trying it? (and with very LITTLE I mean even something representing the more 'contemporary youth' scene, Germany in ESC is probably one of the least genuine and true countries.)



I don't see anyone who looks 40+, so they will most likely know what the majority of young Germans wants. It might not be the music you like to listen to, but they must do something right as they are one of the most successful radio stations for the young audience. I doubt that this would be the case if they started playing Helene Fischer and other Schlager stars ...

Wrong, these so called 'trends' are controlled by the big music labels and more directly by the US market. We are simply being taught into liking something which makes people blind to other options. It's not 'us' as a public that truly decides the trends, we just go along with it and pick the parts we like.

Now, I'm a person who likes different type of music, Schlager is not really a genre I like much, but I do not see the harm in trying something different and new and also one has to not forget that ESC is not really the same forum as some youth pop radio, it has a much wider audience and a whole different purpose than just following trends set by American controlled music executives. This is also meant to reflect the German music scene and German music traditions, something that Germany hasn't really been good at in general (no matter genre or style).

Matt
25th November 2012, 22:52
Given her popularity I am pretty sure she would have the first place in the televote in her pocket even if her song was not the best/most appealing. Unless she were to compete against acts like Grönemeyer, Peter Fox, Unheilig, Rammstein, maybe Cro etc. but none of the them is going to happen. So well xshrug
I find it contradictory and irritating to lable the currently most successful/popular genre 'dated'. If the music meets one's personal taste or not is a different thing.
However, I strongly agree with you that a NF should contain a multitude of various musical genres and styles.

Please advise how Volksmusik/Schlager is the most populare genre currently? Financially? Id like to see those numbers. If you check the German charts you barely see that genre there.

The reason why a lot of people call her music dated is because that exact music is a copycat of songs from the 80s (and earlier) so it's nothing new or groundbreaking.

A-lister
25th November 2012, 22:59
Please advise how Volksmusik/Schlager is the most populare genre currently? Financially? Id like to see those numbers. If you check the German charts you barely see that genre there.

The reason why a lot of people call her music dated is because that exact music is a copycat of songs from the 80s (and earlier) so it's nothing new or groundbreaking.

Check the album charts! You know the parts of the charts were the actual $$$ is.

Helene is one of the single best selling acts in German music. She's very consistent in selling plenty enough of albums and selling out Arena tours in ways those "younger youth acts" picked by some talent(less) shows could only dare to dream about.

Also, she's not even an "oldies" act to begin with! Out of all German acts I know about, she's probably one of the few that is actually an all-around-talent that could fit perfectly into the ESC format. It doesn't hurt either that she has a career in all the German speaking countries, the Benelux countries and Denmark aswell. Her Russian background and that she can speak Russian and therefor promote the German entry to the 'ex-USSR' bloc (something that CLEARLY helped Rybak back in 2009!), could also prove to be helpful in the context of ESC.

Also, she's doing a very 'German' type of music, and with all these American/wannabe entries previously maybe it's time for something different? Eventhough her style may be seen 'dated and old' in Germany, for ESC it would be something fresh and new to see Germany going for something like this.

She could enter a ballad in German for instance (doesn't have to be umpha-umpha Schlager):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlLyK4LJzUM

^ The German language (just as Swedish) fits very well in ballad-form.

Matt
25th November 2012, 23:07
Check the album charts! You know the parts of the charts were the actual $$$ is.

Helene is one of the single best selling acts in German music. She's very consistent in selling plenty enough of albums and selling out Arena tours in ways those "younger youth acts" picked by some talent(less) show would only dare to dream about.

Also, she's not even an "oldies" act to begin with! Out of all German acts I know about, she's probably one of the few that is actually an all-around-talent that could fit perfectly into ESC. It doesn't hurt either that she has a career in all the German speaking countries, the Benelux countries and Denmark aswell. Her Russian background and that she can speak Russian and therefor promote the German entry to the 'ex-USSR' bloc (something that CLEARLY helped Rybak back in 2009!), could also prove to be helpful in the context of ESC.

Also, she's doing a very 'German' type of music, and with all these American entries maybe it's time for something different? Eventhough her style may be seen 'dated and old' in Germany, for ESC it would be something fresh and new to see Germany going for something like this.


You are talking about 1 act, I'm talking as the genre as a whole. How many other Schlager acts can you find there? the point is because one singer out of the Schlager/Volksmusik genre is doing well doesn't really mean the entire music style is just as popular.

It's okay if you like or dislike her, I just really believe it would be a terrible choice.

Staewi
25th November 2012, 23:08
Check the album charts! You know the parts of the charts were the actual $$$ is.

Helene is one of the single best selling acts in German music. She's very consistent in selling plenty enough of albums and selling out Arena tours in ways those "younger youth acts" picked by some talent(less) show would only dare to dream about.

Also, she's not even an "oldies" act to begin with! Out of all German acts I know about, she's probably one of the few that is actually an all-around-talent that could fit perfectly into ESC.
No one says that Helene Fischer is talentfree or unsuccessful in Germany, but she definetly is NOT in the youth, I'm still a student and so I come across a lot of music trends and tastes, but no one (apart from CC92) I know likes her or listens to her. The reasons for this don't matter for this, this is a fact. And this is the problem of choosing her: Today, ESC is about commerciality and in times of the jury a chart placing is far more important than a point in the ESC final. But only limited numbers of the younger would buy a copy and "older" people maybe don't know where to grab copies or aren't interested because this is a new phenomenon they don't know, hence her ESC-participation wouldn't be a success.

Matt
25th November 2012, 23:11
And I should clarify that is nothing against Helene. I'm purely referring to her traditional music style. With the right song it could totallywork. e.g. michelle (2001) was a Schlager singer and I actually enjoyed her entry as well. And helene did some really awesome covers (you raise me up) so there is potential.

A-lister
25th November 2012, 23:15
You are talking about 1 act, I'm talking as the genre as a whole. How many other Schlager acts can you find there? the point is because one singer out of the Schlager/Volksmusik genre is doing well doesn't really mean the entire music style is just as popular.

It's okay if you like or dislike her, I just really believe it would be a terrible choice.


No one says that Helene Fischer is talentfree or unsuccessful in Germany, but she definetly is NOT in the youth, I'm still a student and so I come across a lot of music trends and tastes, but no one (apart from CC92) I know likes her or listens to her. The reasons for this don't matter for this, this is a fact. And this is the problem of choosing her: Today, ESC is about commerciality and in times of the jury a chart placing is far more important than a point in the ESC final. But only limited numbers of the younger would buy a copy and "older" people maybe don't know where to grab copies or aren't interested because this is a new phenomenon they don't know, hence her ESC-participation wouldn't be a success.

Well, I'm mostly talking about her because she's my #1 pick for Germany :mrgreen:

There are some other Schlager acts that sells very well though (like Andrea Berg for instance), but it's not really what I want... I'm simply talking about Helene :mrgreen:

Why is it terrible to try something else than acting American copycats every year and choosing acts from talent-shows "Idol-style"? xshrug I think Europe would appreciate a more genuine approach from Germany for a change, and Europe will be the judge here not some youth-obsessed local radio programmers. ESC is not just for pop and teenagers, and looking at the top. 10 of 2012 it's getting quite hard to argue that 'only contemporary pop works' because not much of the top. 10 could be labeled as such, quite the contrary! Tbh, I think the dislike here has more to do with German stigma of this genre than a rational analysis of ESC.

It's odd to see people going on in other threads about how countries should send local-sounding entries and entries in their own languages, but then have this dislike for doing the same from their own country. I thought ESC was to embrace Europe and all there is to it and not just follow some trends?

A-lister
25th November 2012, 23:19
And I should clarify that is nothing against Helene. I'm purely referring to her traditional music style. With the right song it could totallywork. e.g. michelle (2001) was a Schlager singer and I actually enjoyed her entry as well. And helene did some really awesome covers (you raise me up) so there is potential.

Michelle couldn't sing to save her life though :lol:

I think a ballad by Helene could work out really well (like the one I posted above). As for the uptempo it's more hit-or-miss, but something like 'Ich will immer wieder dieser...' it could go down well with the European public because it's catchy, schlager but in a more 'modern' way (and with modern I mean more in a timeless way with a bit of pop into it, sorta like the Swedish schlagers at times).

Venage
25th November 2012, 23:22
Well, I'm mostly talking about her because she's my #1 pick for Germany :mrgreen:

There are some other Schlager acts that sells very well though (like Andrea Berg for instance), but it's not really what I want... I'm simply talking about Helene :mrgreen:

Why is it terrible to try something else than acting American copycats every year and choosing acts from talent-shows "Idol-style"? xshrug I think Europe would appreciate a more genuine approach from Germany for a change, and Europe will be the judge here not some youth-obsessed local radio programmers. ESC is not just for pop and teenagers, and looking at the top. 10 of 2012 it's getting quite hard to argue that 'only contemporary pop works' because not much of the top. 10 could be labeled as such, quite the contrary! Tbh, I think the dislike here has more to do with German stigma of this genre than a rational analysis of ESC.

It's odd to see people going on in other threads about how countries should send local-sounding entries and entries in their own languages, but then have this dislike for doing the same from their own country. I thought ESC was to embrace Europe and all there is to it and not just follow some trends?

Sending local-sounding entries doesn't mean sending Schlager. There are enough modern German groups which I would gladly send to Eurovision ;)

Matt
25th November 2012, 23:22
Michelle couldn't sing to save her life though :lol:

I think a ballad by Helene could work out really well (like the one I posted above). As for the uptempo it's more hit-or-miss, but something like 'Ich will immer wieder dieser...' it could go down well with the European public because it's catchy, schlager but in a more 'modern' way (and with modern I mean more in a timeless way with a bit of pop into it, sorta like the Swedish schlagers at times).

Michelle couldn't sing? She was pitch perfect...Granted, she sounds like she's high on helium but saying she couldn't sing is a bit unfair. Plus she did quite well (8th place).

Plus regardless of our opinions, it's highly unlikely that she'd do Eurovision anyway.

Matt
25th November 2012, 23:23
Sending local-sounding entries doesn't mean sending Schlager. There are enough modern German groups which I would gladly send to Eurovision ;)

Agreed, there are tons of great acts out there. And I'm all for Schlager/volksmusik in the NF, I prefer a broad range of songs...I just don't think it's going to win or would have a fighting chance in ESC

A-lister
25th November 2012, 23:30
Michelle couldn't sing? She was pitch perfect...Granted, she sounds like she's high on helium but saying she couldn't sing is a bit unfair. Plus she did quite well (8th place).

Plus regardless of our opinions, it's highly unlikely that she'd do Eurovision anyway.

I think it must be her voice or something then. I mean I actually kinda liked that entry, but I can't stand her tone. It does sound like she can't sing tbh... but I guess I need to go and check out that entry again, I just recall it sounding VERY annoying :lol:

Exactly, she ended up top. 10 with a ballad in German with televoting only... see what I'm trying to say here? ;)

You mean Helene? Maybe if she'd be internally picked, but yeah probably not...

Matt
25th November 2012, 23:31
I think it must be her voice or something then. I mean I actually kinda liked that entry, but I can't stand her tone. It does sound like she can't sing tbh... but I guess I need to go and check out that entry again, I just recall it sounding VERY annoying :lol:

Exactly, she ended up top. 10 with a ballad in German with televoting only... see what I'm trying to say here? ;)

You mean Helene? Maybe if she'd be internally picked, but yeah probably not...

Yeah, but Germany won't have an internal selection anytime soon so that won't be an option. And yes, I meant Helene :D

A-lister
25th November 2012, 23:32
Sending local-sounding entries doesn't mean sending Schlager. There are enough modern German groups which I would gladly send to Eurovision ;)

Modern as in American wannabe then? Well you already tried that... :lol:

In the end of the day the major problem is that Germany is very untrue to their own music scene when it comes to ESC. Most entries have been so dis-attached to the German music scene (modern or traditional sounds alike) and I find it a real pity tbh.

jaan
25th November 2012, 23:37
So, this is what we know after Thomas Schreibers interview on saturday:

The participants will be
- a famous band with more than six members who hasen't decide which member(s) won't be on stage (maybe Seeed or Culcha Candela?)
- a international well-known dance act (maybe Scooter or Cascada?)
- an act who's not singing in german or english but in a language or dialect that is so unique for the german music market that we would know the act by knowing the language.

All in all Schreiber wants 1/3 really famous names, 1/3 well-known newcomers and 1/3 nobodys.

Venage
25th November 2012, 23:38
I think it must be her voice or something then. I mean I actually kinda liked that entry, but I can't stand her tone. It does sound like she can't sing tbh... but I guess I need to go and check out that entry again, I just recall it sounding VERY annoying :lol:

Exactly, she ended up top. 10 with a ballad in German with televoting only... see what I'm trying to say here? ;)

You mean Helene? Maybe if she'd be internally picked, but yeah probably not...

I don't know (from an international perspective) if German ballads are well-received as most people say that German sounds aggressive. It would most likely be fun to send a hip-hop/rap-artist as the aggressiveness would fit perfectly :mrgreen: Of course I don't mean gangsta-rap, but Casper/Cro/Peter Fox with some melodic influence would be an interesting choice in my opinion.


Modern as in American wannabe then? Well you already tried that... :lol:

In the end of the day the major problem is that Germany is very untrue to their own music scene when it comes to ESC. Most entries have been so dis-attached to the German music scene (modern or traditional sounds alike) and I find it a real pity tbh.

Try listening to Cro, Casper, Peter Fox, Kraftklub, Vierkanttretlager ... As much German as it gets :D

A-lister
25th November 2012, 23:46
I don't know (from an international perspective) if German ballads are well-received as most people say that German sounds aggressive. It would most likely be fun to send a hip-hop/rap-artist as the aggressiveness would fit perfectly :mrgreen: Of course I don't mean gangsta-rap, but Casper/Cro/Peter Fox with some melodic influence would be an interesting choice in my opinion.

I think the German language sounds very good in ballads :) Just take a look at ESC history! Udo Jürgens and Thomas Forstner for instance :mrgreen:



Try listening to Cro, Casper, Peter Fox, Kraftklub, Vierkanttretlager ... As much German as it gets :D

The most German it gets is Schlager and umpha-umpha and I won't back down on that :mrgreen:

Germans have a very odd assumption of 'traditional German', there's this stigma that is trying to erase everything that isn't post-WW2. I think people should start to separate music and culture with other things, because they are not really related.

Venage
26th November 2012, 00:00
Germans have a very odd assumption of 'traditional German', there's this stigma that is trying to erase everything that isn't post-WW2. I think people should start to separate music and culture with other things, because they are not really related.

Mhm I wouldn't say that. Almost all of the young people here are happy with the local customs and don't have a problem with waving the German flag anymore. Even our grandparents were around the age of 10 during the war, so we are aware of what happened but do not personally feel any guilt. Just look at the Oktoberfest. Around 1990 there were few people who wore traditional dresses. By chance they became popular and now almost everyone wears a Lederhose or a Dirndl if they go to an Oktoberfest anywhere in Germany :D

Schlager is just unpopular here. Watch a show with Florian Silbereisen and you know why :mrgreen:

A-lister
26th November 2012, 00:08
Mhm I wouldn't say that. Almost all of the young people here are happy with the local customs and don't have a problem with waving the German flag anymore. Even our grandparents were around the age of 10 during the war, so we are aware of what happened but do not personally feel any guilt. Just look at the Oktoberfest. Around 1990 there were few people who wore traditional dresses. By chance they became popular and now almost everyone wears a Lederhose or a Dirndl if they go to an Oktoberfest anywhere in Germany :D

Schlager is just unpopular here. Watch a show with Florian Silbereisen and you know why :mrgreen:

Well, I know that things are slowly turning into 'normal'. But after all my trips to Germany and contact with locals, the 'guilt' is still very present and unfortunately Schlager unfortunately is having a label of 'something from that time', which I just find unfair and not even accurate.

Well, I know there's alot of nerdy schlager aswell (I mean I come from a country with a similar music tradition so I know :)), but I just think there are examples that works contemporary and I think you shouldn't be afraid to embrace the local more.