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escYOUnited
27th April 2012, 04:52
http://www.escunited.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Francia.png


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJaab8j4fU

Quent91
27th April 2012, 23:37
As every year, they will surprise us.

NikkiBoy
7th May 2012, 18:41
Send Anggun again next year!

katastofe
19th May 2012, 01:32
M. Pokora would been amazing with a song like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGiDOVfKNTk

NikkiBoy
19th May 2012, 18:19
Anggun is the best ever from ::fr france :D

Quent91
21st May 2012, 00:45
M. Pokora xpuke

seb89
21st May 2012, 00:52
M. Pokora would be okay :). He's has catch songs and a big ego :lol:.

r3gg13
21st May 2012, 09:25
Maybe they will finally send Ève Angeli :lol:

NikkiBoy
25th May 2012, 16:01
Anggun again,. :D<3

ory26
26th May 2012, 13:21
Baptiste giabiconi :D


http://youtu.be/ZfPG58osqWY

VasilijeM
26th May 2012, 13:23
MYLENE FARMER! xheart

Quent91
26th May 2012, 14:50
MYLENE FARMER! xheart

It would be a great option because sh'es well known in eastern Europe, but I highly doubt she'll ever go to ESC :?

ory26
26th May 2012, 14:54
SHAKA PONK:


http://youtu.be/EF2PGnZmXCI

seb89
26th May 2012, 15:01
Baptiste giabiconi :D

Pretty good, it's atypical French though :p. But wasn't he going into exile :p?

Quent91
26th May 2012, 17:55
Is he at least a singer ?

Sean
26th May 2012, 17:58
M83!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX3k_QDnzHE

ory26
26th May 2012, 19:11
M83, good choice Sean!

She is no longer our first lady,so Go Carla :D:


http://youtu.be/XvyMG0z0FZY

Quent91
26th May 2012, 19:29
Carla Bruni would be epic. And Nicolas staging as a chorist :D

seb89
26th May 2012, 19:53
^That would be simply awesome! They can be the new Peter & Sloane :p.

Anthony Tesla
27th May 2012, 04:39
Superbus! Or Renan Luce :D

ory26
27th May 2012, 05:32
Mani - Bang Bang (soong in french and english)


http://youtu.be/jIoBO8FtYIU

NikkiBoy
27th May 2012, 10:16
France ended 22 with 21 points.. Maybe they withdraw?

ory26
27th May 2012, 13:01
France ended 22 with 21 points.. Maybe they withdraw?

Eurovision is see as a big joke contest in France, is not popular ,withdraw is asked every years, so wait and see. ;)

Tony
27th May 2012, 13:14
Oui, oui, oui! French withdrawal! Together with Russia and Italy.

kotten
27th May 2012, 13:54
Oui, oui, oui! French withdrawal! Together with Russia and Italy.

Why Russia and Italy placed good?

ory26
27th May 2012, 15:05
Why not Tal:


http://youtu.be/nq2cr1D3bvQ

or Judith:


http://youtu.be/IzJioojWu9E

Hanna:


http://youtu.be/RM9jxmRjSXE

or Joyce Jonathan:


http://youtu.be/FsJWSDe44Uk

seb89
27th May 2012, 16:26
^Omg yes to all of them!

I like your taste Ory26 :p!

ory26
27th May 2012, 22:16
Thank you seb89:D

Quent91
27th May 2012, 22:19
I think France 3 will organize a national final as they did in 2007 (if that new rule from EBU apply this year).

seb89
27th May 2012, 22:49
Inna would be great too :)!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdnGfzzk18k

ory26
27th May 2012, 23:52
Good choice seb89! i think a song like that will be a great for eurovision.

Quent91, lot of fans want a national final too, but the french delegation prefer internal selection. If i'm correct,the new law is singer choosed internally must presented two song in public.
Surely is what France will choose, if we not withdraw of course.

Yamarus
27th May 2012, 23:53
France needs to send a ballad again. Patricia Kaas was amazing, and although she didn't place well she is one of 2009's most memorable performances anyhow.

I get the feeling that the French music industry is just light-years away from Eurovision standards. For the life of me I cannot point out a single French artist that I think would even reach the top 10.

Quent91
28th May 2012, 00:07
Patricia Kaas was amazing, and although she didn't place well she is one of 2009's most memorable performances anyhow.

Okay, but I understand they also want to win. I mean, 35 years... I get their deception every year.

seb89
28th May 2012, 00:37
I would love to see Natasha St-Pier again! Since I saw her on Eurovision, I felt in love with the French language!


I get the feeling that the French music industry is just light-years away from Eurovision standards. For the life of me I cannot point out a single French artist that I think would even reach the top 10.

I get that feeling as well. Not that the French music industry is bad, not at all! It's great (the best imo).The music scene is just so different than what people expect to see at Eurovision.

NikkiBoy
28th May 2012, 10:50
Let ::fr France send something like Anggun, she was perfect, but a bad result - i don't understand why?

demonl
28th May 2012, 10:51
French electronic stuff is world leading.

Justice, Daft Punk or M83

Sure it isn't typical swedish written pop or boring ballad but meh you'd lose even if you did send something like that.

Time countries send what they do best! No more crappy Swedish written generic pop songs

Nothing against Sweden, only against how all so many songs are written by a handful of people and they all sound so plastic.

demonl
28th May 2012, 11:11
Or send in Alizée and win award for sexist eurovision participant of all time

yulara
28th May 2012, 11:16
I get that feeling as well. Not that the French music industry is bad, not at all! It's great (the best imo).The music scene is just so different than what people expect to see at Eurovision.
I have the same feeling since I joined FSC :D

ory26
28th May 2012, 22:06
Pierre Pascuale: :D


http://youtu.be/kwWR8_8mKpQ

seb89
28th May 2012, 22:15
^Omg :lol:! It would be censored! He could be a brother of the Bulgarian singer Azis :p!

ory26
28th May 2012, 22:20
What i really want is the return of a national final, with between 12 and 20 songs for exemple and for the voting something like all french regions give their votes (22 metropolitain regions + 1 for overseas region) a sort of frankovision.And i think it's time for changing members of french delegation too.

GRE
28th May 2012, 22:24
I would like something of these for France next year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOru9ITtVIg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdwC26FHxkA&list=AL94UKMTqg-9CHZic1veqzJqSw2RNgfGmq&index=2&feature=plcp

ory26
28th May 2012, 22:26
^Omg :lol:! He could be a brother of the Bulgarian singer Azis :p!

Just yes:lol:

But i really think we can have a good place with something like that :p

ory26
28th May 2012, 22:30
Big yes for Shy'm, i'm not a big fan of Grégoire but in song like toi+moi why not!

GRE
28th May 2012, 22:32
I think that Shy'm is not negative to Eurovision.

ory26
28th May 2012, 22:49
I think that Shy'm is not negative to Eurovision.

She's not, but i think it will be pretty hard for have her!

GRE
28th May 2012, 22:57
She's not, but i think it will be pretty hard for have her!

Why?
Is she more polular than Anggun or Patricia Kaas?I dont think so..

seb89
28th May 2012, 23:07
Just yes:lol:

But i really think we can have a good place with something like that :p

Certainly! At first, I thought omg what a videoclip, then I began to listening to the lyrics and I have to say: it's hilarious! I LOVE IT :lol:!

The song is already on replay! Thanks for sharing it :)

yulara
28th May 2012, 23:18
Why?
Is she more polular than Anggun or Patricia Kaas?I dont think so..
Nowadays, she is definetly.
As far as I remember, I know only one song of Anggun (Les neiges au sahara) and Patricia Kaas didn't have a popular success for years...

GRE
28th May 2012, 23:28
Nowadays, she is definetly.
As far as I remember, I know only one song of Anggun (Les neiges au sahara) and Patricia Kaas didn't have a popular success for years...
Patricia Kaas is a legend in France,she does not need any hits...
But Shy'm i doubt if her songs are wellknown...in youtube the views are not many...

Quent91
28th May 2012, 23:30
Shy'm got a lot of spotlights on her in France after she wore that special ang ugly dress some months ago at the NRJ Music Awards and her cover of "En apesanteur" from Calogero.

So yes, she's quite popular there...

yulara
28th May 2012, 23:39
Patrixia Kaas is a legend in France,she does not need any hits...
But Shy'm i doubt if her songs are wellknown...in youtube the views are not many...
Of course Patricia is well known, like Charles Aznavour, Michel Sardou, Johnny Halliday or Edith Piaf. She was a great voice of the french music but now, I'm sorry, she's has-been in France...
Shy'm represents the 2010s generation, like M.Pokora, Sexion d'assaut, Colonel reyel, Orelsan, Amel Bent, Soprano or Yodelice :)

seb89
29th May 2012, 00:00
Shy'm represents the 2010s generation, like M.Pokora, Sexion d'assaut, Colonel reyel, Orelsan, Amel Bent, Soprano or Yodelice :)

Yodelice would great too :o! Not sure if they would get many points, but hell he/they would rock the stage :D! I love Sexion d'assaut & Orelsan too, but rap is unfortunately not so popular in Eurovision :(.

Quent91
29th May 2012, 00:02
Sexion d'assaut & Orelsan

France really wanna be in bottom 5 if they send them.

yulara
29th May 2012, 00:24
Yodelice would great too :o!
3 minutes isn't enough for Yodelice :D believe me, I went to see him 3 times in a year, it was just gorgeous and much more rock than his albums, but unfortunatly he's only able to create a link with the audience via his music. if you're waiting for a sign or just a "hello", he isn't the right artist :D

seb89
29th May 2012, 00:37
What about Saez or Christophe Maé :)? Saez is going to release a new album soon, so probably he won't be a candidate. I don't think he would ever be a candidate, but his lyrics are amazing!


3 minutes isn't enough for Yodelice :D believe me, I went to see him 3 times in a year, it was just gorgeous and much more rock than his albums, but unfortunatly he's only able to create a link with the audience via his music. if you're waiting for a sign or just a "hello", he isn't the right artist :D

I can image that three minutes aren't enough :o! The videos on YT are already amazing, can't imagine how great it would be live!! He's on my bucketlist concerts I wanna go to. Music is the most important thing. Depends on also on music style, if Christophe Maé doesn't connect with the audience, his concerts would suck. Hurts didn't really connect with the audience and their concert was great too.

yulara
29th May 2012, 01:00
My fav (and I was there :) )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbJRHWlQYlI

sokyratis555
29th May 2012, 06:23
every year i pray for m. pokora! best european pop artist around. and itd be great to have an english version please! i love the french language, and i know its tradition to sing in french, but i would love just one year for france to send a good english track by an artist with a great voice and good pronunciation.

Yamarus
29th May 2012, 11:14
M. Pokora is laughing stock in France. I think he'd fare pretty well at the Contest, but I doubt France 3 will make that move. He comes from rival broadcaster M6 IIRC.

GRE
29th May 2012, 11:23
I have found this in youtube..!:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gq96ZwV3pw

seb89
29th May 2012, 11:25
My fav (and I was there :) )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbJRHWlQYlI

Okay, you made me jealous :mrgreen:! He's too good for Eurovision 8-).

ory26
29th May 2012, 13:28
Yodelice for France will be so cool,and like seb89 say too good!
A electronic song will be fine for me, the french touch in eurovision:)

like Yuksek:


http://youtu.be/w_uUvPimCLI


http://youtu.be/lzrOMSzS09s

and maybe maybe turks and azeris will think he is turk and we'll have points for them :D

Quent91
29th May 2012, 15:24
My fav (and I was there :) )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbJRHWlQYlI

What the hell ? :?

Sorry, but I don't like that at all !

ory26
29th May 2012, 23:13
France confirmed participation xyes

Thierry Langlois say: "En fait, ce que nous allons faire, c’est peut-être changer d’attitude dans le type de candidat que nous allons présenter. Très franchement, nous ne pouvons plus nous permettre que des personalités connues subissent de tels revers. Désormais, nous allons jouer la carte des jeunes talents et organiser la promotion de cette nouveauté pour l’Eurovision".

So national final for France or always internal selection?

Quent91
29th May 2012, 23:15
After what Langlois said, I think they'll go for a national final.

Sean
30th May 2012, 20:36
Quent91, lot of fans want a national final too, but the french delegation prefer internal selection. If i'm correct,the new law is singer choosed internally must presented two song in public.


That was vetoed by the EBU :P (Sorry if this was already answered)

Sean
30th May 2012, 20:38
Yodelice for France will be so cool,and like seb89 say too good!
A electronic song will be fine for me, the french touch in eurovision:)

like Yuksek:


http://youtu.be/w_uUvPimCLI


http://youtu.be/lzrOMSzS09s

and maybe maybe turks and azeris will think he is turk and we'll have points for them :D

A big yes to Yuksek!! :mrgreen:

C'mon France, you're practically world leaders when it comes to electro music, so SHOW US!

Quent91
30th May 2012, 21:44
Langlois clearly said that they won't send any known artists to ESC as they always do badly. So I think you can forget everything you mentionned aboved :)

They're gonna send young talents from a national final ;)

Sean
31st May 2012, 00:41
Langlois clearly said that they won't send any known artists to ESC as they always do badly. So I think you can forget everything you mentionned aboved :)

They're gonna send young talents from a national final ;)

Always?? Im pretty sure only Anggun counted as doing badly (and Les Fatals Picards but I dunno how famous they are in France).

ory26
31st May 2012, 01:29
Fatals Picards are more famous now than before eurovision, and we have them by national final (the last for now) in 2007. And except Patricia Kaas and Anggun, all the others since 2001 and long before, was young talents not really famous.

And remember in France, do badly starts from the second spot :D

And it's good to post various french singers here, even if there are few or any chances to have them, because except Edith Piaf for the olders and Guetta for the youngers, they don't know a lot of French singers abroad!

yulara
31st May 2012, 13:45
Fatals Picards are more famous now than before eurovision I'm not sure about that, they were well known on the underground scene before ESC, like Marcel et son orchestre, and I don't think they gained a lot of fame after that. I should ask it to my colleague who is a friend of their bassist.


And remember in France, do badly starts from the second spot :D
so so true ! each french contestant IS the winner. We will have good examples of this during the olympic games, even if the guy has the 50th result of the year, he will be the olympic champion...

theCONWEL
3rd June 2012, 01:12
Jean-Baptiste Maunier, Shy'm, Lorie, Sonia Lacen? :)

JackBauer
3rd June 2012, 03:12
Lorie would be nice, her career can't be more dead than she is now and some of her song do have an immediate appeal.

The lyrics, well who cares about lyrics in eurovision anyway:D


But to be honest i believe that France's problem isn't the artist it's the song, we only foccus on the artist and all people care about is the song, we need to hire a real, good, etablish songwritter, french or not!

Not the girl who work with david guetta or work with Shy'm and in the end they just wrote the lyrics for one song for them!

Nope have someone who wrote big sucess do the show and put the money on that, any cute girl or boy with a decent singing will do after that to sing it

Quent91
3rd June 2012, 12:24
Jean-Baptiste Maunier

Please no... He farts higher than his ass.

And it will be another Vassili fiasco.

ory26
3rd June 2012, 20:38
Not worry for Jean-Baptiste Maunier, i pretty sure he not want sing again, except for les enfoirés:D

Quent91
3rd June 2012, 20:54
Not worry for Jean-Baptiste Maunier, i pretty sure he not want sing again, except for les enfoirés:D

Yeah, the only way left he can make money without working !

Just appearing once a year for dancing and singing on stage for 3 hours

seb89
3rd June 2012, 22:47
Do they get paid for participating in Les enfoirés :o?

CypriotGirl
3rd June 2012, 23:27
France needs to select the correct song, the participant says nothing! See Anggun, she had all the specifications to be a successful French representative, but she chose the most dull song ever, so the result wasn't surprising at all!

I like TAL, M.Pokora, Shy'M, and many others that were suggested in the previews pages, but without a strong song, France will do nothing! Better have an unknown singer singing a strong song, rather than a famous one singing a weak bland song like Anggun this year!

seb89
4th June 2012, 00:29
:p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRr9uHkgy20&feature=related

theCONWEL
4th June 2012, 00:55
I'd love to see France send Nolwenn Leroy, with something like La Jument De Michao or Tri Martolod off her Britonne album :)

GodSaveTheQueen
4th June 2012, 02:18
ZAZ.

seb89
4th June 2012, 13:16
Jena Lee ft OrelSan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLeJA5CDwJo


I'd love to see France send Nolwenn Leroy, with something like La Jument De Michao or Tri Martolod off her Britonne album :)

+1

ory26
4th June 2012, 19:56
I like the idea of a duo for France, but not Orelsan, i not like rap in eurovision! why not


http://youtu.be/9Z-NbQvhzKM

not them specially, but something in the same style.

Sean
4th June 2012, 20:39
Im feeling a French group next year, its been just soloists since 2007

theCONWEL
4th June 2012, 23:50
Hmm... French groups... how about Yelle? :) they'd fit in well at Eurovision I think :p I also like Caravan Palace but I don't think they'd be a good choice for France...

ory26
5th June 2012, 18:07
Hmm... French groups... how about Yelle? :) they'd fit in well at Eurovision I think :p I also like Caravan Palace but I don't think they'd be a good choice for France...

Yelle? xrofl3, please no! But Caravan Palace, wow, really great choice

or Chinese Man: I've got that tune, sadly they not fit Eurovision:


http://youtu.be/kqjeNSNuNPM

Jukica
5th June 2012, 20:02
What about French house music? xcheer Someone like Antoine Clamaran or David Guetta :D

BTW, would like to see Shy'm on ESC :D or Amel Bent

yulara
5th June 2012, 20:06
Chinese Man are just awesome but they definitely don't fit to ESC :D
My fav :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Oo--ymqdU and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWYzWCwmL6U

seb89
5th June 2012, 23:35
Chinese man is awesome! I think it's too special (& too good) for Eurovision) :o!

Marie-Pierre Arthur :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqw9u3eG5jw

ory26
6th June 2012, 19:24
Chinese man is awesome! I think it's too special (& too good) for Eurovision) :o!

Marie-Pierre Arthur :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqw9u3eG5jw

J'aime bien!:p

katapult
6th June 2012, 22:01
Nolwenn Leroy +1 xrose


Or... how about this groupe français d'éléctro-dance et de pop-rock?
:) I think they are great!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NBE9XuzRNg

seb89
6th June 2012, 22:12
^yeah Pony Pony Run Run would be a good choice!! Quite popular in Belgium, maybe then we would finally give them the points they deserve!

Evalngelion
5th July 2012, 06:30
I want Matt Pokora for France.

Archer
9th July 2012, 00:10
Zaz please!

tuorem
10th July 2012, 01:53
^ No Matt Pokora, I don't want to emigrate so soon :?

Zaz hasn't been in the limelight for a long time now, but who knows? After Anggun's failure, the French delegation said that they will never send an established artist again... so wait and see!

NikkiBoy
10th July 2012, 16:31
Anggun was the best for FRANCE since always.. What happen?

tuorem
10th July 2012, 22:24
Anggun was the best for FRANCE since always.. What happen?

Wrong song! They should have sent "Mon meilleur amour", then we wouldn't have been 23rd :?
It's just a wasted opportunity, and the delegation complains about the contest... Well, I don't know what they were expecting while they shot themselves in the leg since the very beginning...

Yamarus
10th July 2012, 23:36
Yup. Anggun herself was impressive on stage, amazing voice and a breathtaking outfit. But the song was so bland that it fell right in that spot where nobody voted for it: juries were unimpressed, there was no "lol" value to it, it was average on all counts. Entries that don't distinguish themselves from the pack (in one way or another) can't expect much at ESC.

DanielLuis
11th July 2012, 16:51
Yup. Anggun herself was impressive on stage, amazing voice and a breathtaking outfit. But the song was so bland that it fell right in that spot where nobody voted for it: juries were unimpressed, there was no "lol" value to it, it was average on all counts. Entries that don't distinguish themselves from the pack (in one way or another) can't expect much at ESC.

She sung well but the truth is that there were many things going on the stage and the viewers couldnt really concentrate totally in the song.

Quent91
11th July 2012, 17:12
The French give more importance to the singer than the song itself. They think they can win just because they send a big star like Anggun, or Patricia Kaas. But that's not the point. Europe doens't vote for the singer but for the song...

r3gg13
11th July 2012, 19:18
The French give more importance to the singer than the song itself. They think they can win just because they send a big star like Anggun, or Patricia Kaas. But that's not the point. Europe doens't vote for the singer but for the song...

I agree with that. But hey Kaas was in 7th place with her wonderful song :)

tuorem
12th July 2012, 16:28
The French give more importance to the singer than the song itself. They think they can win just because they send a big star like Anggun, or Patricia Kaas. But that's not the point. Europe doens't vote for the singer but for the song...

I also agree. They chose Anggun because she was supposedly quite known in the Eastern part of Europe. At least, Kaas's song was part of the album she released before the ESC and she decided to compete with it, so it was a song that was completely consistent with her artistic personality.

On the contrary, Anggun's song came out of nowhere... The songwriters were those who composed a musical about Mozart, it was successful in France but hey, even if it wasn't stunning, it wasn't like "Echo (you and I)" at all.

seb89
12th July 2012, 21:56
The other ones, except Kaas & Anggun, were less known right??

Anggun's song was good imo. I liked it, but it was too weak and too messy compared to the other ones. On the other hand, I always tend to like the French entries, every year they give us a totally different act. It's not always successfull, but each year very different and I like that a lot :D.


Europe doens't vote for the singer but for the song...

Unless the singer is male and cute and with a **** song (= chanson de merde), he would still get points... :?

tuorem
12th July 2012, 22:24
^ Yes Seb89, Amaury was known a little but not much. Otherwise, all our past entrants in the 2000s were pretty much newcomers.

Glad that you like France for trying different things, at least this isn't something that we can criticize. But at the same time, most of our attempts were pretty hopeless. I mean that it had far more chances to reach bottom 5 than top 5 :lol:

As to votes for singers, you're not wrong :mrgreen:

AdelAdel
12th July 2012, 22:38
^ Yes Seb89, Amaury was known a little but not much. Otherwise, all our past entrants in the 2000s were pretty much newcomers.


What about Natasha St-Pier? I mean, she IS known, even in Poland.

seb89
12th July 2012, 23:00
She wasn't known at the time she participated. She became famous afterwards :).

seb89
12th July 2012, 23:10
Glad that you like France for trying different things, at least this isn't something that we can criticize. But at the same time, most of our attempts were pretty hopeless. I mean that it had far more chances to reach bottom 5 than top 5 :lol:

They were maybe "hopeless" at Eurovision, but they were a success afterwards. Jessy Matador became the summerhit in Flanders and also Sébastian Tellier got fame in our alternative circuit. :D I really like what France does and trying out those different things. That's why France is always one of my fav's. I'm sure next year, we'll get something totally different as well. And I hope you'll finally win this thing, so that I can come to Paris or anyother city :p. I promised myself the first time I go to Eurovision live, it has to be in France or Belgium lol.

tuorem
12th July 2012, 23:28
What about Natasha St-Pier? I mean, she IS known, even in Poland.

Seb89 answered you quicker than me ;)

tuorem
12th July 2012, 23:34
They were maybe "hopeless" at Eurovision, but they were a success afterwards. Jessy Matador became the summerhit in Flanders and also Sébastian Tellier got fame in our alternative circuit. :D I really like what France does and trying out those different things. That's why France is always one of my fav's. I'm sure next year, we'll get something totally different as well. And I hope you'll finally win this thing, so that I can come to Paris or anyother city :p. I promised myself the first time I go to Eurovision live, it has to be in France or Belgium lol.

Ok, then I hope that one of our countries will win soon. It'd be a shame to deprive yourself of enjoying Eurovision live for too long. ;)

AdelAdel
12th July 2012, 23:56
She wasn't known at the time she participated. She became famous afterwards :).

This proves that some artists can become famous after ESC if they're good enough. Personally, I think that Natasha is a very good singer, and I enjoy her songs very much :)

seb89
13th July 2012, 14:14
Ok, then I hope that one of our countries will win soon. It'd be a shame to deprive yourself of enjoying Eurovision live for too long. ;)

I watch it live on television of course :p. I think I prefer watching it on television with friends than watching it live in the arena/venue. I don't like big shows in the arena. You only see some puppets dancing and singing on stage :D. But if Belgium or France would win, I would make an effort :lol:. Düsseldorf was only 50 minutes away, but I didn't bother :p.

seb89
13th July 2012, 14:17
This proves that some artists can become famous after ESC if they're good enough. Personally, I think that Natasha is a very good singer, and I enjoy her songs very much :)

I can't agree more. Natasha is one of my favorite singers all time :)! Brilliant voice and brilliant songs. xcheers

tuorem
13th July 2012, 21:47
I watch it live on television of course :p. I think I prefer watching it on television with friends than watching it live in the arena/venue. I don't like big shows in the arena. You only see some puppets dancing and singing on stage :D. But if Belgium or France would win, I would make an effort :lol:. Düsseldorf was only 50 minutes away, but I didn't bother :p.

Ok, I agree with you. What you got being present in the arena is the atmosphere, like in every concert. But yeah, I also prefer watching it on tv, so that I can see well what's going on. Otherwise, watching the show on big screens while you're in the arena is really a shame :lol: As if we had to pay to watch it on tv!

tuorem
13th July 2012, 21:49
This proves that some artists can become famous after ESC if they're good enough. Personally, I think that Natasha is a very good singer, and I enjoy her songs very much :)

xkiss Yes, that's because she's Canadian basically. It would be weird for a French singer to have so much talent :lol: ;)

I knew that she was known a little in Poland, which is great because her songs are mostly in French, not in English.

Archer
25th July 2012, 01:15
I'm obsessed with Zaz, any chances for her to be selected ?

ItalianEurofan
25th July 2012, 14:11
Oh yeah! Zaz is really nice and she's popular internationally :)

But I prefered to see Louisy Joseph.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwPIh7NBN9U

rajo
18th August 2012, 18:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksaWGqje8Vo

Mon Dieu, this is beautiful... somebody shoot me! xcry

A-lister
20th August 2012, 00:51
I'm obsessed with Zaz, any chances for her to be selected ?

I find the obsession about Zaz interesting, when France could send someone like Zazie :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dIkjoX5Mvs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSIoP7h4B_M

^ Two of the best French language songs I know.

Quent91
20th August 2012, 13:04
I don't think she would accept the Eurovision experience... But who knows ?

Miguel
6th October 2012, 03:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRoVA6BOEDw

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BWutKrrzl1Y/T99fHmhnIYI/AAAAAAAAAFM/Jcr_yzP4u0o/s640/261830_le-chanteur-francaisn-m-pokora-lors-des-nrj-music-awards-le-28-janvier-2012-a-cannes.jpg

I'm here for Matt Pokora, to be honest. No matter how biased this may sound (since I'm his #1 fan), but he is the one who can give France a good result after some disappointments. He has great music, he is good-looking, he is relatively known in other French-speaking countries such as Belgium, Switzerland (which is a bonus). It's about time. I won't deal if this really happens. :lol: My favourite Eurovision country being represented by my favourite French singer. xpray Oh and there's a Facebook page supporting his participation. I hope it gets popular. xyes

Charly
12th October 2012, 22:48
Guess who was at Festival De La Tolerance 2012? ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYLJzVf_-BY&feature=related

Israeliboy
13th October 2012, 11:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6rhvapPgI

Send one of them and I promise Israel will give u 12pt, especially with TAL :)

gabimen
13th October 2012, 14:58
I want her for France, she has really good tracks and her music is so sweet and catchy...And she is pretty!!

http://prod-nrjmedia.integra.fr/active/bitmap/436x327/joyce-jonathan-3-stephane-sednaoui-jpg_247915.jpg

Quent91
13th October 2012, 17:35
And who is she ?

seb89
18th October 2012, 15:12
Joyce Jonathan?

gabimen
19th October 2012, 23:20
Joyce Jonathan?

Yes! Sorry! I thought she was well-known! Btw, she is releasing her second album in the upcoming months...she is SUPERB!

Matt
7th November 2012, 00:00
This shouldn't come as a big surprise but France confirmed their participation in Malmo. Woot!!!!

Quent91
9th November 2012, 00:07
I hope they'll stick to sending well-known French artists, but this time with a nice song, please !

DanielLuis
9th November 2012, 01:59
I hope they'll stick to sending well-known French artists, but this time with a nice song, please !

Didnt they already confirmed that they're going for a new talent this year?

pedrogerman
10th November 2012, 16:58
Didnt they already confirmed that they're going for a new talent this year?

Last year they said they will have a NF and then Anggun was selected internaly.

A-lister
11th November 2012, 12:07
I hope they'll stick to sending well-known French artists, but this time with a nice song, please !

Exactly! I think the French idea is ok, but the executions have been awful. I mean why even spending time in getting some known names if they enter cr*ppy songs? Waste of time.

evilperson
11th November 2012, 18:09
They send something different every year and while I didn't like Anggun's song this year, at least they don't constantly peddle the same style of songs like some other countries do.

CC92
11th November 2012, 19:14
They send something different every year and while I didn't like Anggun's song this year, at least they don't constantly peddle the same style of songs like some other countries do.

True. France is probably the most underrated Western ESC nation in recent years. Even though I maybe would like their efforts to be a bit more 'daring' such as they were in the 1990's, at least they stick to their own music and their own languages most of the times and actually never send something really 'bad'.

Matt
20th November 2012, 22:26
According to escflashmalta, Fabrice Mauss will be heading to Malmo on behalf of France.

Fabrice Mauss is a known individual within the music industry by virtue of being the lead performer of the band which bears his surname. Nevertheless, he has been quite busy launching his solo career as of late even signing a record deal with Universal Music France before going independent releasing his third studio album entitled Minuit Passé under the label VF Musiques / Guess What! In an exclusive interview given to the popular radio station NRJ, Fabrice confirmed us participation in the event saying that retails of the track will be revealed in January or February. He is quite happy and honoured to have been chosen for the role but is quite scared of the final result especially after this years' result achieved by Anggun

http://www.escflashmalta.com/media/k2/items/cache/943ed58edb47158aa08fdf5878cd784e_L.jpg?t=135341990 0

Quent91
20th November 2012, 22:40
Who is it ?

julien4ESC
20th November 2012, 23:21
nobody knows him in France :? I really don't know who is him. What a shame if it's him.

Matt
20th November 2012, 23:22
nobody knows him in France :? I really don't know who is him. What a shame if it's him.

Out of curiosity, did anybody know Jessy Matador or Amaury Vasilly prior to ESC?

toinou03
20th November 2012, 23:31
^
Amaury Vassili was already very famous ! Jessy Matador, he had one or two success. I knew "Décalé Gwada", I danced on it in disco ! ^^
Fabrice Mauss, we never heard of him ! BTW, I can't believe it could be true ! Nobody deals with it in France... And this statement in NRJ ! This is nonsense, there are only Eurovision sites who deal with it !

GRE
21st November 2012, 00:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Yu1r9u2xw

Matt
21st November 2012, 00:50
Well, I can see low interest in France due to a "nobody" representing France which would be a shame.

Although whether or not he is famous in his home country is rather irrelevant regarding the success odds. Anggun is rather famous in France and that didn't help her at all receiving 0 points from the televoters. Let's see if this actually going to be true.

DanielLuis
21st November 2012, 00:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Yu1r9u2xw

Surprise surprise, a french song named C'est la vie.

CypriotGirl
21st November 2012, 20:16
I guess it's a singer-songwriter/easy-listening, I like this stuff personally but I don't know if it's enough for ESC. Sometimes simple songs do well, some others they flop badly.

What if he's not famous in France? That has nothing to do with someone's success in ESC. xshrug

vavera4ka
21st November 2012, 20:22
can we please resurrect Joe Dassin? no?

then I'll settle for those guys lol
AQ9zeDd0mpg

A-lister
21st November 2012, 20:23
I guess it's a singer-songwriter/easy-listening, I like this stuff personally but I don't know if it's enough for ESC. Sometimes simple songs do well, some others they flop badly.

What if he's not famous in France? That has nothing to do with someone's success in ESC. xshrug

Well, it worked out well for Tom Dice with a bad song but it failed for Denmark and Netherlands in 2012 with good songs... so yeah it's a hit or miss and a bit tricky to guess where a song in that genre would end up eventually.

Agree, local fame doesn't really help in ESC. Regional fame however is more helpful, but even people with success in many parts of Europe like Kate Ryan failed so...

CypriotGirl
22nd November 2012, 22:44
^Belgium 2010 bad song? :?

That was the best song by Belgium since I remember myself (that and 2006). :?

A-lister
23rd November 2012, 18:25
^Belgium 2010 bad song? :?

That was the best song by Belgium since I remember myself (that and 2006). :?

Imo yes :)

Well, my fav Belgian entry is prob some oldies one I can't recall its name now...

dizzydjc
7th December 2012, 19:04
Soooooo what's the big news that's about to be announced?

A NF?

Matt
7th December 2012, 19:19
The big news is that their aim is to find a "contemporary folk song" and that the selection committee of 12 music professionals will meet in January to discuss and decide on the artist. What they're saying is that finding the song is a more important criteria than the choice of artist.

doctormalisimo
7th December 2012, 21:39
Oh dear, I smell a last place for France this year.

A-lister
7th December 2012, 22:33
The big news is that their aim is to find a "contemporary folk song" and that the selection committee of 12 music professionals will meet in January to discuss and decide on the artist. What they're saying is that finding the song is a more important criteria than the choice of artist.

Contemporary folk song? Where did you read this? I'm loving this approach... it seems that ethno-inspired songs have only been 'reserved' to southern and eastern countries so far, I think it's nice if the western ones would dare something like that aswell.

And YES, the SONG is more important than the artist! This is a song contest, not a talent-Idol-type of show...

This small piece of news is really exciting I must say! xcheer

Quent91
7th December 2012, 22:57
What they're saying is that finding the song is a more important criteria than the choice of artist.

FINALLY !

Matt
7th December 2012, 23:00
Contemporary folk song? Where did you read this? xcheer


France: Selection committee meets in January | ESC Webs (http://escwebs.net/2012/12/07/france-selection-committee-meets-in-january/)

Scooby
7th December 2012, 23:14
And now its time for Mylène Farmer xheartxheartxheart

Quent91
8th December 2012, 15:41
And now its time for Mylène Farmer xheartxheartxheart

not even in a million years ! she won't accept.

CC92
8th December 2012, 17:50
Contemporary folk song? Where did you read this? I'm loving this approach... it seems that ethno-inspired songs have only been 'reserved' to southern and eastern countries so far, I think it's nice if the western ones would dare something like that aswell.

Don't wanna rob anyone's illusions but as far as I know 'contemporary folk' is commonly used to describe the ::be 2010 style rather than actual ethnic songs.

A-lister
8th December 2012, 17:54
Don't wanna rob anyone's illusions but as far as I know 'contemporary folk' is commonly used to describe the ::be 2010 style rather than actual ethnic songs.

Well, I know that singer-songwriter type of songs are falsely labeled 'folk' in the anglo-saxic countries, not sure if that's the case with France though. ::be 2010 is anything BUT folk though, it's just a useless song... :lol:

So yeah, I hope they don't mean "folk" with something like that.

CC92
8th December 2012, 17:56
Don't wanna rob anyone's illusions but as far as I know 'contemporary folk' is commonly used to describe the ::be 2010 style rather than actual ethnic songs.Well, I know that singer-songwriter type of songs are falsely labeled 'folk' in the anglo-saxic countries, not sure if that's the case with France though. ::be 2010 is anything BUT folk though, it's just a useless song... :lol:

So yeah, I hope they don't mean "folk" with something like that.

I think they do though but I am hoping with you.

Scooby
8th December 2012, 18:51
not even in a million years ! she won't accept.

I know xcry1

julien4ESC
8th December 2012, 19:51
And now its time for Mylène Farmer xheartxheartxheart

She's the most "has been" singer of the french market. Nobody wants her in France for Eurovision, nobody likes her songs, only her fans are interested in her.
And she can't sing.
It would be the worst thing ever for France in Eurovision.

Matt
8th December 2012, 20:01
TBH, I don't get teh Mylene love, either. I find her music to be predictable & dated. I'm hoping for something better.

Sean
24th December 2012, 17:45
The winner of ESC 1973 for Luxembourg, Anne-Marie David, has announced she wants to represent France in 2013. Judging from the wording of her declaration it also seems that France may be returning to a national final format.

France: Anne Marie David wants to return to Eurovision | escXtra (http://escxtra.com/2012/12/anne-marie-david-wants-to-return-to-eurovision/)

Quent91
24th December 2012, 19:05
she's too old

toinou03
24th December 2012, 19:10
The winner of ESC 1973 for Luxembourg, Anne-Marie David, has announced she wants to represent France in 2013. Judging from the wording of her declaration it also seems that France may be returning to a national final format.

France: Anne Marie David wants to return to Eurovision*|*escXtra (http://escxtra.com/2012/12/anne-marie-david-wants-to-return-to-eurovision/)

Hahahaha Yes she wants to make a come-back... But in France she's completely forgotten, just like former winners from Luxembourg/Monaco... (except France Gall of course !)

By the way, she does'nt say that there will be a National Final, but auditions for volunteer singers... Well I guess that's what she's been told by France Télévisions. But she won't be in Eurovision, because contrary to what she sang, "she will see that nobody will recognize her !" :D

GRE
24th December 2012, 19:10
she's too old

More than Lyss?

QwaarJet
24th December 2012, 19:17
The winner of ESC 1973 for Luxembourg, Anne-Marie David, has announced she wants to represent France in 2013. Judging from the wording of her declaration it also seems that France may be returning to a national final format.

France: Anne Marie David wants to return to Eurovision*|*escXtra (http://escxtra.com/2012/12/anne-marie-david-wants-to-return-to-eurovision/)

There wasn't any indication of a NF. The selection will probably be done behind closed doors.

evilperson
24th December 2012, 19:48
What is it with past winners wanting to come back? What more do they want from this competition?

Sean
24th December 2012, 19:54
There wasn't any indication of a NF. The selection will probably be done behind closed doors.

"entering the French selection" makes me a bit suspicious though

toinou03
24th December 2012, 20:09
No ! In the announce of Anne-Marie David it is said that a special jury will select internally a song by the begining of the year, with 12 persons in the field of French music and people from France 3 and France Ô, the 2 broadcasters. it will select a "popular and contemporary song"... Well, but her song is not contemproary at all...
Anne Marie David en sélection eurovision 2013 (http://www.eurovision2013annemariedavidenselection.com/)

As for Anne-Marie David, she wants to be under the spotlights because she's completely forgotten as she gave up singing a long time ago. But she's been convinced to come back by fans and Eurovision fans especially, so now she thinks that she's very famous... I guess she's more known in Israel where she's been invited to sing than in France where she's never on TV.
She just went on TV in 2008 to blame on the choice of Sébastien Tellier and his song in english on a small channel, together with Ortal who blamed France 3 for having spoiled her participation with amateurish team and no money at all. (she may nt be that wrong...) You can watch it here (if you understand Fraench ! :-) )
Eurovision 2008 Anne-Marie David coup de gueule 01 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03OhSjuXpg0)

Eurovision 2008 Anne-Marie David coup de gueule 02 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue82RGtAnAk)

Eurovision 2008 Anne-Marie David coup de gueule 02 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue82RGtAnAk)

evilperson
24th December 2012, 21:16
I remember I liked Ortal but her whole ESC performance was all kinds of wrong.

VasilijeM
24th December 2012, 21:43
What about Jenifer Bartoli? :)

Jim
24th December 2012, 21:48
If France will choose Anne-Marie David surely will fight for the last place of the scoreboard! :mrgreen:

Quent91
24th December 2012, 23:28
What about Jenifer Bartoli? :)

No, because she won the Star Academy, a former show on TF1, the eternal rival of France TV ;)

seb89
26th December 2012, 20:06
+She released a new successfull album. She'll be busy with her tour :(

toinou03
3rd January 2013, 22:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGsW1ZpIq5g

Singer Shirel is promoting her new album with a video where she asks all the countries to give us 12 points because we didn't win since a 36 years and because we are always in the last places ! :)
Shirel is the daughter of Jeane Manson who represented Luxembourg in 1979 and his mainly known for singing in musicals...

anto475
16th January 2013, 05:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGsW1ZpIq5g

Singer Shirel is promoting her new album with a video where she asks all the countries to give us 12 points because we didn't win since a 36 years and because we are always in the last places ! :)
Shirel is the daughter of Jeane Manson who represented Luxembourg in 1979 and his mainly known for singing in musicals...

Et pourquoi pas cette chanson?! Je l'aime!

Quent91
16th January 2013, 13:25
they will finish at the 26th position...

toinou03
16th January 2013, 17:52
Well it's not an entry, just a joke. I really wonder what we can send. French "variétés" is maybe the worst in occidental Europe... That's why our singers can't have any European career. They're too crappy....
France 3 have horrible taste but I would like to have something cool and classy like this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF5etHMRMMM
No wonder, they'd never enter the contest for God sake ! hahaha

A-lister
16th January 2013, 18:02
^
Didn't the broadcaster say they are looking for an entry with a folky touch? I don't see anything folky in the clip above.

toinou03
16th January 2013, 18:36
No they told they wanted something "popular"... They said that because they had to say something the most generic they could...You know, in France, as we say, we like to speak to say nothing ! hahaha

But it's popular, not folky, otherwise it would be something like that : mouahahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz97yM7FhZs

Or like this haha !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGLKFj1kAw

A-lister
16th January 2013, 19:14
^
Actually, what I recall is that they said something like "modern folk"... I'm pretty certain of it.

I think you're being totally unfair. If the southern, eastern and northern countries (Norway + Finland) managed to combine contemporary music with folky tunes, I don't see why France should be an exception? Oikophobia is not cute, no need to make fun of your own culture.

toinou03
16th January 2013, 20:22
lol Don't worry, I was joking. But modern folk is definitely not something French. I guess the "folkiest" thing you can expect would be something like Patricia Kaas song.
Nolwenn Leroy tried to do something folk with Breton music, but in fact she made something very Irish... Actually there was some fashion with modern folk by the end of the nineties, like this : Wazoo - La Manivelle - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRB43hGZMQ) which is still popular (at least where I live...)
But there's not anything like that anymore.
In fact, if they meant something, I guess they meant that we will not have "elitist music" like Sébastien Tellier.
You know in France there is 2 music worlds : the "elitist" thing with the Victoires de la Musique (I don't know half of the nominated people... I've never heard of 2 of the 4 nominated revealations, I've never listened to 3 of the 4 nominated "tunes" of the year, Benajamin Biolay is again nominated as the singer of the year, while he won already twice the award whereas nobody actually knows his music in France except the establishment on TV who says he's a genius... but he's boring ! :D ) And there is crappy "variétés" with ALWAYS the same crappy singers with on head Johnny Hallyday who is still considered as the biggest act in the country while he never managed to be famous abroad because he's bad...
Between those 2 groups, it's difficult for good pop to emerge, because it lacks good media for them. TV and radio loves crappy music because it attracts high ratings... With the beginning of the year, every media made his concert evening with favourite singers. There were the same twenty on each channel... It was completely boring !

And for you to know here are the ten best selling albums of the year in France :
01. Adele - "21" (Normal)
02. Céline Dion - "Sans attendre" (Normal)
03. Sexion d'Assaut - "L'apogée" (Crappy homophobic rap. They had a big scandal while they called to murder all gays in their early songs, but teenage radios promote them...)
04. Compilation - "Génération Goldman" (An album of covers of 80's singer Jean-Jacques Goldman by bad singers that can't manage to sell a disc by themselves and who don't do original things because Franch labels don't want to take any risk...)
05. Les Enfoirés - "Le bal des Enfoirés" (Charity concert with covers)
06. Johnny Hallyday - "L'attente" (our old national annoying singer)
07. Lana Del Rey - "Born to Die" (Ok)
08. Muse - "The 2nd Law" (Ok)
09. Mylène Farmer - "Monkey Me" (I don't like her but well...)
10. M Pokora - "A la poursuite du bonheur" (He's a bad singer after all. He attracts fans only with his body...)

So I'm quite desperate with our music... hahaha And France 3 shows this winter don't give us the feeling we will have a great act this year, but wait and see...

A-lister
16th January 2013, 20:39
^
I understood you joked, I just meant that it can be taken serious... not everything local/folk is bad you know ;)

Well, I just remember that's what France 3 expressed they wanted to send (whatever they mean by that I have no clue, but I another Patricia Kaas type of entry would be ok imo). Chanson may not be folk, but it's VERY French and it's almost borderline folk I'd say with the cultural meaning it has... so I'm open for that again.

Quent91
16th January 2013, 23:37
what about this ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPtcgHzE1Sg

anto475
16th January 2013, 23:43
I'm sure there are bands like Mama Rosin somewhere in France (yes I know Mama Rosin are Swiss but they're very French folk as far as I think). They're very modern and do present folk music in a wonderfully engaging way.

That said, I'd prefer something modern and poppy to represent France, like BB Brunes or Yelle or Stromae. My flatmate is French and always listens to French pop and it sounds really really good. It also changes my opinion on the language, I always think that French music should be something like Patricia Kaas or a ballad. But the pop changes that and French just seems more modern, and it changes my opinion on France too, in a good way.

Failing the pop-choice, I'd love something like N&SK. They'd be amazing!

A-lister
16th January 2013, 23:51
^
Stromae is from Belgium though...

I wouldn't mind a modern entry from France. Shy'm was rumored some year ago and she'd be great. I generally like French R&B/Urban-Pop music so.

But if the rumors are true then France 3 is looking for something modern but with a folky twist..

toinou03
17th January 2013, 00:05
Unfortunately Pau-Paulette is too old... What a pity ! mouahaha

Shy'm has decided to take a one-year break and has become an egery of TF1, the private broadcaster... Plus she has become too big I guess for Eurovision (at least in French way of thinking, big acts should enter, they would see how they can be perceived abroad... ! :D )

Yes we are all hoping for something decent at least ! I would love french pop. BB Brunes are on my top list in this moment ! :D

Quent91
17th January 2013, 16:21
Too bad that this song is already too old :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF5etHMRMMM

VasilijeM
17th January 2013, 16:59
Alizee, please.

A-lister
17th January 2013, 18:12
Alizee, please.

ONLY with something like 'Moi... Lolita' !!! I love that song!

GRE
18th January 2013, 13:31
Out of the many entries submitted, the French selection committee, made of representatives of the music industry and France Télévisions, met last night to shortlist 15 potential candidates for Malmö and Anne Marie David is not part of them.
esctoday.com

VasilijeM
18th January 2013, 13:50
ONLY with something like 'Moi... Lolita' !!! I love that song!
Of course.

seb89
20th January 2013, 01:30
lol Don't worry, I was joking. But modern folk is definitely not something French. I guess the "folkiest" thing you can expect would be something like Patricia Kaas song.
Nolwenn Leroy tried to do something folk with Breton music, but in fact she made something very Irish... Actually there was some fashion with modern folk by the end of the nineties, like this : Wazoo - La Manivelle - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRB43hGZMQ) which is still popular (at least where I live...)
But there's not anything like that anymore.
In fact, if they meant something, I guess they meant that we will not have "elitist music" like Sébastien Tellier.
You know in France there is 2 music worlds : the "elitist" thing with the Victoires de la Musique (I don't know half of the nominated people... I've never heard of 2 of the 4 nominated revealations, I've never listened to 3 of the 4 nominated "tunes" of the year, Benajamin Biolay is again nominated as the singer of the year, while he won already twice the award whereas nobody actually knows his music in France except the establishment on TV who says he's a genius... but he's boring ! :D ) And there is crappy "variétés" with ALWAYS the same crappy singers with on head Johnny Hallyday who is still considered as the biggest act in the country while he never managed to be famous abroad because he's bad...
Between those 2 groups, it's difficult for good pop to emerge, because it lacks good media for them. TV and radio loves crappy music because it attracts high ratings... With the beginning of the year, every media made his concert evening with favourite singers. There were the same twenty on each channel... It was completely boring !

And for you to know here are the ten best selling albums of the year in France :
01. Adele - "21" (Normal)
02. Céline Dion - "Sans attendre" (Normal)
03. Sexion d'Assaut - "L'apogée" (Crappy homophobic rap. They had a big scandal while they called to murder all gays in their early songs, but teenage radios promote them...)
04. Compilation - "Génération Goldman" (An album of covers of 80's singer Jean-Jacques Goldman by bad singers that can't manage to sell a disc by themselves and who don't do original things because Franch labels don't want to take any risk...)
05. Les Enfoirés - "Le bal des Enfoirés" (Charity concert with covers)
06. Johnny Hallyday - "L'attente" (our old national annoying singer)
07. Lana Del Rey - "Born to Die" (Ok)
08. Muse - "The 2nd Law" (Ok)
09. Mylène Farmer - "Monkey Me" (I don't like her but well...)
10. M Pokora - "A la poursuite du bonheur" (He's a bad singer after all. He attracts fans only with his body...)

So I'm quite desperate with our music... hahaha And France 3 shows this winter don't give us the feeling we will have a great act this year, but wait and see...

I've always thought and still think, French music is more diverse than English music. I might not be totally neutral, cause I have 6 out of 10 albums :lol:! I think France should keep his own musicstyle, and the fact that French artist aren't popular outside France isn't because they are crappy, it's because they mainly sing in French and since the world only wants to listen to 'hipster' English music French music doesn't stand a chance. And besides they are famous abroad, but in Francophone countries.

Personally I would love to see Sexion d'Assaut or OrelSan on the Eurovision stage thay would be brilliant hihi. I love French rap! Didn't the radios first organized a boycott against Sexion d'Assaut and after they apologized, they played music again on the radios? And they played Sexion d'Assaut also in Flemish clubs, radio and television :D.

VasilijeM
20th January 2013, 12:39
I really love french music. It's so unique.

Quent91
20th January 2013, 13:15
This song is not too old yet and is quite good to listen !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs-ucIS2B-0

toinou03
20th January 2013, 18:14
Yeah their new song is good. This would be the hypest we could do ! Yesterday I just listened to old stuff... And I realised that for instance "Butterfly" by Superbus was released while we were sending the horrendous Virginie Pouchain...

But France 3 prefers Amaury Vassili and meeeeh things... His last single is horrible !!!

Simon87
21st January 2013, 18:52
France choose song and singer

We will find out soon who it is

Matt
21st January 2013, 19:07
I will not eat any French Fries, use any French Dressing or give anyone a French Kiss until they tell us who it is. That's right, I'm calling for France boycott.....

toinou03
21st January 2013, 19:15
hahaha but none of them are French ! Except French kiss of course... :D

BTW, I really really hope it will be good, but it looks like it will be someone unknown... :S

A-lister
21st January 2013, 19:24
hahaha but none of them are French ! Except French kiss of course... :D

BTW, I really really hope it will be good, but it looks like it will be someone unknown... :S

Unknown doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing as long as it's a good entry.

Steffan
21st January 2013, 19:31
I hope it's TAL :)

A-lister
21st January 2013, 19:51
I hope it's TAL :)

Could be good, or Shy'm (but apparently that's not possible now).

But a French R&B girl could be good :)

GRE
21st January 2013, 19:53
I hope for Shy'm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdwC26FHxkA

wyq614
21st January 2013, 21:51
France
- We have selected the singer and the entry for Eurovision.
- What is it then?
- Just guess. You'll have several guesses until we tell you the answer on a day that we still have not decided.

toinou03
21st January 2013, 23:33
As for Shy'm, she said she takes a one year break + She has become a judge of Dancing with the stars on TF1 and she always appears in private television. Though, 2 or 3 years ago, she was less important and she was an option for Eurovision. Now I think she definitely would'nt.
Tal... she was nominated in the Victoires de la Musique (very surprising, as there is only über-hype thing I even don't know myself for the biggest part). She's still unknown to a lot of people because she's just popular among youngsters... She could be a possibility but I've never seen her on France 3... Instead, Anggun was invited in 2011, when they made a show about Eurovision with few non Eurostars including Julie Zenatti (often stated and I think she remains in France 3 plans because she's a great singer but she has zero career) and Shy'm also... Hey Hey ! :D

And, yes unknown doesn't mean bad but all the unknown we had were definitely very bad. Don't forget there is a huge Virginie Pouchain trauma in France ! hahaha And when they have to choose someone well known, then they have good ratings as Eurovision is on a little channel in France. Patricia Kaas attracted the highest viewing figures for years, Amaury Vassili managed to place France 3 first also because we expected a secure win (hahaha don't mock us ! it's the bookmakers fault !), whereas Anggun was far less watched... So if the entrant is less known than Anggun (known actually most for her "Neige au Saharah and especially for a without ending legs !), then nobody will watch Eurovision this year and peope will again say this is a show with crappy artists and dot dot dot...

Quent91
22nd January 2013, 18:09
And it's AMANDINE BOURGEOIS :D

Amandine Bourgeois représentera la France à l&#039;Eurovision - Musique - 22/01/2013 - leParisien.fr (http://www.leparisien.fr/musique/amandine-bourgeois-representera-la-france-a-l-eurovision-22-01-2013-2502625.php)
Amandine Bourgeois représentera la France à l'Eurovision (http://www.jeanmarcmorandini.com/article-299170-amandine-bourgeois-representera-la-france-a-l-eurovision.html)

Good choice, I remember I voted for her when she competed at the Nouvelle Star (idol factory) ;)

toinou03
22nd January 2013, 18:19
Yeeeeah ! She's great ! And she deserves a great career, but I'm embarassed because in the contest there will be Anouk who is what she would do... She has the same range as her and I fear she would be shadowed by Anouk.

Anyway she's awesome so ! And Le Parisien revealed also Patricia Kaas and plans with Christophe Willem so we can trust them !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVS06fO5-sc

GRE
22nd January 2013, 19:03
According to French newspaper Le Parisien, 34-year old singer Amandine Bourgeois has been selected to represent the country in the Eurovision Song Contest 2013. The news, they say, will be oficially confirmed in the next few days.

Amandine rose to fame through ‘Nouvelle Star’ in 2008, and signed a contract with Sony Music. She released two albums last year, however both seemed to slip under the radar. Le Parisien speculates that Eurovision is “seen as an opportunity to relaunch her career”.

France have picked their artist internally every year since 2008, however rumours had suggested that they would return to a national final for 2013.
escxtra.com

A-lister
22nd January 2013, 19:59
Hmm... never heard of her. Listening to some clips, can't say I like what I heard so far xshrug

A-lister
22nd January 2013, 20:02
Well, the only song that I liked that I heard of her so far is this one, so if the entry is in a similar style it could be good:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sjttHafsyE

... The rest of her stuff seems boring, generic and unmelodic though imo.

toinou03
22nd January 2013, 20:08
Hmm... never heard of her. Listening to some clips, can't say I like what I heard so far xshrug

In fact she made a bombastic appearence in Nouvelle Star (Pop Idol). She seemed promised to a brilliant career because she has a powerful raspy voice and a unique presence, as the 2 former winners, Christophe Willem and Julien Doré had great careers also. But she made a horrible debut because she was managed by her father who imposed her her songs and her first album (in fact he aimed at being a singer and he just manipulated his daughter to do what he would have liked to do... Well...). Then her first album was a complete disaster with a very very bad debut single. Radio didn't want to play the song and she became to be banned by all radios (it' like that in France ! It's everything or nothing, your fashionable or cheesy...). And she just managed to appear as guest in TV games or so... That's a real disaster because she's brilliant, but her father didn't want her to work with the "in fashion" artists, well seen by medias...
I hope she can manage to have a good rock song and that she will be able to relaunch her career... I don't know what France 3 is preparing for her... I'm hoping the best for her !

A-lister
22nd January 2013, 20:10
^
Which sort of proves my point that no matter how much you can wail in a kareoke singing talent show, doesn't mean you really will produce great music afterwards so it's kinda pointless to judge acts that haven't even released original material.

But based on her material, the only song I liked so far (after my quick research) was "Incognito".

toinou03
22nd January 2013, 20:27
I disagree with you A-lister ! :D

In fact, as her first album was a catastrophe, the 2nd album has never been played, though it is good because, as we say in France "she does'nt have the card". But her 2nd album isn't bad.

In fact, she attracted attention because she had to cancel her tour due to poor sales of her album. Then she admitted on Twitter that her career was lost because she was blacklisted by TV and radios and that she wanted people to let her a chance. Then, former Idol judges told that she had to change her management so that she should have a second chance, and she has been stolen the career her talent deserves.
Actually, Eurovision gave a new youth to Anggun, so I guess this can be her second chance, she really deserves it.
She's well known in France. But obviously, if you read newspaper, you will only see people who says that it's bad and that she's bad and dot dot dot... They were the same saying that Patricia Kaas was the worst choice ever, that it would stop her career, that she was forgotten and old-fashion and that nobody remembered her so that we should be dead last and so on and what we are used to in our country !

seb89
22nd January 2013, 20:30
oh :(

Emreign
22nd January 2013, 20:38
How about ZAZ ? :o

Quent91
22nd January 2013, 20:43
How about ZAZ ? :o

I HATE her.

GRE
22nd January 2013, 20:46
Not so happy about the french decision.

Quent91
22nd January 2013, 20:49
I hope you guys were not expecting to see David Guetta selected ? It's impossible.

GRE
22nd January 2013, 20:53
I hope you guys were not expecting to see David Guetta selected ? It's impossible.

Its not about the name,its about her music style.

toinou03
22nd January 2013, 21:06
Song is "L'enfer et moi", by Boris Bergman & David Salkin. I don't know David Salkin but Boris Bergman is one of the hypest songwriters in France. He actually wrote 2 entries for Eurovision... in the seventies ! :D

Well I really hope something good !

Amandine Bourgeois to represent France in Malmö! | News | Eurovision Song Contest - Malmö 2013 (http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=amandine_bourgeois_to_represent_france_in_ malmoe)

Tinchey
22nd January 2013, 21:13
Amandine Bourgeois sounds promising. xcheer Smells like my number one fav this year! :D

CPV4931
22nd January 2013, 21:17
I´ve never heard of her before... but my first impressions of her are quite good.

EscGeek
22nd January 2013, 21:18
so far,i'm not impressedxboring

r3gg13
23rd January 2013, 00:18
I love her raspy voice, that's my favorite type of voice. I hope she gets a good song :D

Charly
23rd January 2013, 01:25
I Praise the choice, she is soo wonderful xcheer xcheer xcheer

QwaarJet
23rd January 2013, 01:49
I'm intrigued. This seems like a good choice.

Milos-BC
23rd January 2013, 16:09
Well, judging the singer only, I am not impressed. Not even close to some of the previous French choices (when we look at singer only), but the song can change everything.........I hope it's a good one. The title is really interesting.

ory26
23rd January 2013, 19:37
I like her, good choice.....title of the song: l'enfer et moi (hell and me)

something better from her:


http://youtu.be/2PqrrmMHpy8

A-lister
23rd January 2013, 20:36
Should we add the song title to the thread aswell as it's known?

ory26
23rd January 2013, 20:41
Should we add the song title to the thread aswell as it's known?

Of course, i mean it's official ;)

Nikkita
23rd January 2013, 21:42
Loved her Amy Winehouse-kinda style and voice.She could be my new Eurovision crush :D

A-lister
23rd January 2013, 21:45
I like her, good choice.....title of the song: l'enfer et moi (hell and me)

something better from her:


http://youtu.be/2PqrrmMHpy8

I sincerely hope the entry won't sound like this, crossing fingers for something more like "Incognito".

With this sound I can see France in the bottom again tbh, it's sort of as unmelodic as past year... the juries would like it but I'm not seeing a massive public support for it...

well that's just my opinion

A-lister
23rd January 2013, 21:46
Loved her Amy Winehouse-kinda style and voice.She could be my new Eurovision crush :D

There can only be one Amy Winehouse and Amandine could only wish ;)... the difference here is Amy Winehouse's sense for melodies, wheres in this case I can't find anything memorable in the songs. If they can make a melodic song for her it could turn out very well though, I mean the voice is not really bad it's her material that seems uninspiring to say the least.

toinou03
23rd January 2013, 21:48
People said that it will be in the style of Amy Winehouse Back to Black.
Her mother told to local press that it is bluesy and folk-rock...
She said she will do what she wants now and not try to stick what is reported to sell the most in France because people always mistake so...

BTW she seems very implicated with Eurovision whic was not always the case with our past participants...

A-lister
23rd January 2013, 21:51
People said that it will be in the style of Amy Winehouse Back to Black.
Her mother told to local press that it is bluesy and folk-rock...
She said she will do what she wants now and not try to stick what is reported to sell the most in France because people always mistake so...

BTW she seems very implicated with Eurovision whic was not always the case with our past participants...

The song "Back to black" or the album in general? Well, if that's their aim then I can just wish them luck and hope for the best, "Back to black" is one of my all time fav albums... if they can come up with even something half as brilliant it could be good. Melancholic, melodic, dark and bluesy with a touch of chanson & left-field R&B... now that's what I'm hoping for! I hope for a ballad then and not uptempo blues (I usually can't stand the latter).

As I've written, something like "Incognito" could be good.

I must say though, as you point out, that the French ESC acts seem to have a good spirit and have been dedicated... but they all failed on the songs. Anggun last year looked good on paper, but her song lacked melody.

toinou03
23rd January 2013, 22:50
Actually, the songwriters are from the team of French music legend Alain Bashung, so I guess it will be in this spirit, with probably aiming at go back to Black ! Actually, she was a soul diva in Nouvelle Star but she fell in bad french variétés...

Anggun was so nice last year because she so wanted to do well and had high opinion with Eurovision ! But... she's not born French, it's because of that ! :D Actually, I really like Echo, but it didn't stand out... The choice of the song was based on what the France 3 entertainment director likes and what the music industry wanted to let go to Eurovision... The chosen artists knew nothing abou Eurovision and chose songs for French purpose. For instance, I just love Patricia Kaas song. For me it stood out a million mile higher than anything else in the competition. Because the lyrics are heart-taking and the rythm is reminiscent of a lot of things of all our music history. But, going to win Eurovision with a song with no chorus is just suicide ! It was a pity nobody informed Patricia Kaas or Anggun that they should have sung something else...
After 2010 I think, the responsible for Eurovision in France 3 (not Berberes) told that they didn't know the rules of Eurovision very well (not as if we were in the contest from the beginning ! haha) and last year they told that they still didn't have understood what kind of song it was necessary to send... hahaha
But it's very brave to go to Eurovision. Since yesterday, Amandine is bashed everywhere. People say that Eurovision is too bad for us... That every winner becomes anonymous after the contest. Actually, we are the only country where every radio refused to play Euphoria because it was connected to Eurovision...

ory26
23rd January 2013, 23:02
A-lister, Anggun was a fail since the start, like you say, her song lacked melody, but all the rest was bad, from the clip, to the final show, and to the incapacity of Anggun to sing!!
But she was really implicated, something rare for french in the eurovision....
Now for Amandine, i prefer "sans amour", "incognito" is the perfect song for France to finish in the bottom 5, can work for countries with big diaspora, not for France.
A jazzy song is already a handicap ,coupled with another big handicap, sing in french, i hope all the best for her, just to wait the song.

A-lister
23rd January 2013, 23:16
@ toinou03

I disagree on your analysis, Patricia Kaas did pretty well with a very "French" song. Anggun didn't fail because she wasn't born in France or that her song was "aimed at the French market". She failed because the song had no actual melody and went all over the place, but still sounded generic and uninspiring.

@ ory26

Actually, Anggun wasn't a "fail from the start" imo. On paper she looked pretty promising. Her latest French album Echoes (not to be mixed with her ESC entry) was really good and had some really good and melodic tunes on it. "Echo" the entry was nothing like that though. I don't agree about the video though, it was one of the best preview videos.

Well taste differs, I think "Sans amour" sounds generic, while "Incognito" actually has something interesting in it and feel more genuine. I think the first is not that far away from Anggun's lack of melody last year... but that's just my opinion. Both of those type could do pretty well with juries though, but I think the latter type would do overall better.

I don't think it's a handicap to sing in French, not at all. It all depends on the song. Jazzy is risky, but if it's more mellow and dark, melodic and a bit chanson-like... then it could be good. Think Amy Winouse's "Back to black" mixed with a bit of French chanson... it would be great!

toinou03
23rd January 2013, 23:47
I disagree on your analysis, Patricia Kaas did pretty well with a very "French" song. Anggun didn't fail because she wasn't born in France or that her song was "aimed at the French market". She failed because the song had no actual melody and went all over the place, but still sounded generic and uninspiring.

Oh, I didn't explain it correctly. In fact, I meant Anggun was implicated in Eurovision because she was not born in France, but it was humour ! :)
And Echo was indeed very bad as an entry for Eurovision but I like it as a song !

And also, Amandine Bourgeois comes from Toulouse, a city where everybody is nice and friendly, so it's quite good ! :D

Fluke
24th January 2013, 01:05
I dunno, seems kind of bourgeois to me.

QwaarJet
24th January 2013, 01:33
I dunno, seems kind of bourgeois to me.

Can't believe I missed that opportunity...

VikingTiger
24th January 2013, 15:35
Amandine may very well be a good choice. She has a powerful voice, interesting, of the kind that I tend to like. Now a good voice is not enough, there are plenty of proof of that in the ESC history. A good song is also needed, and a voice and a song that actually go together - that is not always the case...
Good luck France!

ory26
24th January 2013, 17:05
Well, i don't think France hope for a win, now we (french fans) would be pretty happy with a top 10, because for the rest of french population, being 8th or 23th is the same (see newspapers about Patricia Kaas in 2009).:rolleyes:

sapsan
24th January 2013, 21:43
Good choice, good way to achieve TOP 10 with some powerful song like "Incognito". Now all depends on song.

CC92
24th January 2013, 22:25
Hmm... could be good. I hope the song will be (entirely) in French.

toinou03
24th January 2013, 23:18
It will ! :)

Quent91
25th January 2013, 00:01
France is one of the last few countries that are still proud of their national language and refuse to follow the other sheeps all going with English...

CC92
25th January 2013, 00:23
France is one of the last few countries that are still proud of their national language and refuse to follow the other sheeps all going with English...

And so may it stay (not that they'll be one of few only ofc)!

Matt
25th January 2013, 04:23
France is one of the last few countries that are still proud of their national language and refuse to follow the other sheeps all going with English...


Except 2007......and 2008.......and 2012 :D

Avalon
25th January 2013, 12:30
Except 2007......and 2008.......and 2012 :D
In all of 3 were still some French influences. (2008 mostly, 2007 and 2012 was almost totally sang in French with English influences.)

So they're still proud and I think that's just normal.

CC92
25th January 2013, 14:10
France is one of the last few countries that are still proud of their national language and refuse to follow the other sheeps all going with English...Except 2007......and 2008.......and 2012 :D

So what? That's still a much better record than the rest of the currently participating broadcasters bar TVE and RTS. And Avalon is right saying that all but 2008 were partly in French at least.