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escYOUnited
27th April 2012, 04:46
http://www.escunited.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Bulgaria.png



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bExp3aNOFsE

chipzz
1st May 2012, 12:39
http://www.bulgaria-is-alive.com/kartinki%20BIA/BG%20flag.gif

A-lister
1st May 2012, 14:29
Desislava for sure deserves a second chance after juries scr*wing her over, she'd be my first pick, but hopefully with a stronger entry though:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1VZHd8qaNg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR9JQhuJuaU&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiZSfBApxoM&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1azBAlk3Tw&feature=plcp

handeyener
3rd May 2012, 04:17
Desislava for sure deserves a second chance after juries scr*wing her over, she'd be my first pick, but hopefully with a stronger entry though:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1VZHd8qaNg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR9JQhuJuaU&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiZSfBApxoM&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1azBAlk3Tw&feature=plcp

I would like her to go with something like iskam te pak, kalino mome or nay dobria!!!!. Hope she comes back stronger
and not just compose a song on esc style (i think that was the main part that killed her chances and also the final staging)

handeyener
3rd May 2012, 04:42
Bulgaria could do really well with any of this styles:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lJYq6bjHTQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Gt7nQTFY4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvK12gBjZsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAMPjWdIGDY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQLIhnBq5VQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We1hOfAxNoQ&feature=related

chipzz
4th May 2012, 14:45
Neli Petkova will also try. Her bio is awesome,like Sofi's :)
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/545189_323911794343861_100649263336783_768933_1828 853742_n.jpg
http://signal.bg/uploads/news_images/201203/photo_verybig_20454.jpg
http://kliuki.bg/wp-content/uploads//2011/12/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D0%B8-%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n630Ht9xgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxvxYUMDkTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLS8J1aWIWI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhFAXF5atRw&feature=related

chipzz
4th May 2012, 15:00
Teddy Katzarova also - actually she participated in ESC NF in FINLAND 2005 (Became 2nd) and Bulgaria 2006
She might perform in a duet with Fares Srouji ( Jordanian singer)

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/538490_3274711981358_1074194334_33055042_212793726 8_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/538490_3274712221364_1074194334_33055045_199359651 6_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/389915_2529819879521_1074194334_32722403_895260847 _n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/389915_2529819999524_1074194334_32722405_200568588 9_n.jpg

handeyener
4th May 2012, 17:47
Neli Petkova will also try. Her bio is awesome,like Sofi's :)
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/545189_323911794343861_100649263336783_768933_1828 853742_n.jpg
http://signal.bg/uploads/news_images/201203/photo_verybig_20454.jpg
http://kliuki.bg/wp-content/uploads//2011/12/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8-%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D0%B8-%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n630Ht9xgE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxvxYUMDkTg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLS8J1aWIWI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhFAXF5atRw&feature=related

I like Neli Petkova, she is a versatile performer :D. My favorite song of her is Edin Vupros.

A-lister
4th May 2012, 22:17
^
I like Neli, she's on my list of good potential candidates :)

Matt
5th May 2012, 09:20
It gotta be Grafa, love his music



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIPL5Xr9v70

chipzz
5th May 2012, 12:31
There are speculations that Elitsa Todorova will come back to ESC 2013 with even more powerful song than Voda.

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/380334_420767541280873_141161872574776_1396128_191 495785_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/416914_362040880486873_141161872574776_1235374_829 855240_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/394923_340672985956996_141161872574776_1181735_212 4626086_n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395466_336948889662739_141161872574776_1172601_166 2437680_n.jpg

Matt
5th May 2012, 19:42
More powerful than Voda? You just raised the bar Bulgaria!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fluke
5th May 2012, 22:14
That guy with the iPads :oops:

chipzz
6th May 2012, 22:06
Another possible runner up - ESIL DURAN
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUplYptNtGQu-eFWdxs4nrdUvEJNTvjYV3oJwXQS7VYJ7i67jHlQ
http://www.bgmp3.net/singers/esil.jpg


http://youtu.be/XPfgwrUrdpI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqflF29h51I&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkrLznK7HdQ

handeyener
7th May 2012, 02:37
If Esil Duran has a song for the selection like Lele Yano, she will become my huge favorite!!!!. That song is great!!

A-lister
7th May 2012, 17:14
If Esil Duran has a song for the selection like Lele Yano, she will become my huge favorite!!!!. That song is great!!

The song is great, but it's almost the only good song she ever made, so honestly I don't think she's a good candidate, but IF she could come up with something equally good then it would be great.

handeyener
9th May 2012, 07:12
And how about Galena??, she has been making good songs and videos nowadays and was Payner´s singer of the year. Could be an interesting choice with a song that suits better her voice, although i´m not sure of her live singing (for a strange reason i like better her ballads).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcbGXX05CUA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v88-OYieN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n3m9s9kO5M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4MzbVs4pv4&feature=related

BGN
9th May 2012, 08:13
Maybe it's too early for this topic. There are so many questions without answers by now.

chipzz
9th May 2012, 11:11
New music video of Galena - Spri me (Stop me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccHhcHC0p-8

chipzz
9th May 2012, 12:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41kLusMq8Fo&feature=youtu.be

handeyener
10th May 2012, 00:59
New music video of Galena - Spri me (Stop me)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccHhcHC0p-8

I like it!!!!Something like that for ESC stage!

BGN
21st May 2012, 15:17
Bulgaria will have one more try in 2013. Currently BNT is working on the selection rules, which will be revealed in the end of August. There will be some significant changes in the selection, but in generall it will be again open.
The dates for the televised stages will be determined on later stage, but one is clear - there will be new date for the bulgarian final, as this year was on 29.02 :D

handeyener
22nd May 2012, 00:59
Bulgaria will have one more try in 2013. Currently BNT is working on the selection rules, which will be revealed in the end of August. There will be some significant changes in the selection, but in generall it will be again open.
The dates for the televised stages will be determined on later stage, but one is clear - there will be new date for the bulgarian final, as this year was on 29.02 :D

I´m very happy your country keeps trying and wil stay!!! :D

handeyener
22nd May 2012, 01:03
You can do very well with this type of song as well. I remember Djena at FSC was 15th place. This is one of the songs that i can listen from time to time and never get bored. You could send this songs and end very high on the table!!!!. If Greece sends cheap songs year by year and is always on top 10, why not Bulgaria??, you have potential on your musical industry to be represented by something great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T0A2N2qezQ

A-lister
23rd May 2012, 22:36
Chalga!! And not some Chalga light/Romanian house with an uninspired singer who stands still during an uptempo song (sorry Sofi) :lol:

dizzydjc
24th May 2012, 00:22
They need something like Voda (Water) but perhaps a bit more accessible as well if that makes sense. I know we haven't even seen tomorrow's results but one day Bulgaria will be back in the final, I know it.

A-lister
24th May 2012, 01:01
They need something like Voda (Water) but perhaps a bit more accessible as well if that makes sense. I know we haven't even seen tomorrow's results but one day Bulgaria will be back in the final, I know it.

If they miss the final tomorrow, it has to do with the the show/singer and not because of the song.. which I think would have chances to qualify.

handeyener
25th May 2012, 05:30
Well i guess we should request the comeback of Elitsa Teodorova in order for you to qualify again
I still think Sofi was robbed, just like Poli last year

dizzydjc
25th May 2012, 12:08
It was just an extremely tough semi-final, I could have seen almost everybody (bar Croatia) qualifying last night. The quality was that good.

NikkiBoy
25th May 2012, 15:54
Good luck next year ::bg Bulgaria hope you stay! ♥

BGN
25th May 2012, 19:44
^ BNT is considering the rules for the new selection in 2013. There also were comments from bulgarian delegation members that we must continue to fight and try and some day we will have success. Also they say that it's not in the BNT style to give up easily and the proved that in the last years...
So let's wish us more luck in 2013.

NikkiBoy
25th May 2012, 22:45
GOOD LUCK ::bg Bulgaria! :D<3

handeyener
26th May 2012, 04:26
It was just an extremely tough semi-final, I could have seen almost everybody (bar Croatia) qualifying last night. The quality was that good.

Yeah, but at the end we saw the same countries of always and not new ones

NikkiBoy
26th May 2012, 09:15
I don't like Sofi Marionva's voice, sorry :/

BGN
26th May 2012, 14:45
http://prikachi.com/images/263/4815263P.jpg

From june, Bulgarian National Television launches big international research for our entry in 2013!

dizzydjc
27th May 2012, 03:21
You guys did good, you tied for 10th place! That says to me that one day you will be back in the final.

Oh and, send something ethnic next year!

BGN
27th May 2012, 03:25
I hope that you'll be right ! ;)

Misi
27th May 2012, 03:39
From Bulgaria - only well-balanced chalga. Or folk.
Anything else will simply not work!

NikkiBoy
27th May 2012, 10:23
::bg Bulgaria got 11th with 45 Points and ::no Norway with 10th and 45 points. So close Bulgaria STAY! <3

Yamarus
28th May 2012, 00:19
I woke up with "Water" this morning. Great entry, would love to see that again from Bulgaria.

ESCfan
28th May 2012, 17:53
I am gonna write it once again...Nevena,with a folk-ethnic song!!!! Her voice is perfect

CypriotGirl
28th May 2012, 18:07
Galena, Desislava, Nelly Petkova, Vessy...

handeyener
28th May 2012, 19:22
I think you stand a chance sending chalga (but with a strong singer like Sofi Marinova) or something like The mystery of bulgarian voices. I believe pop music doesnt stand a high chance, although there are some good performers from this genre.

Artists for 2013:

Concerning a great voice + fantastic show, i think that Gloriya has the full package in order to qualify for the final. The problem is that the probability that she can participate reduces to almost 0.000001%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbIvnQSC8jc&feature=related (something in the style of cigansko surce (second song on minute 4:15))

Galena (she sings a bit better than Andrea and her projects have been creative nowadays)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WxxzUGS5UI

Raina (she sings good live and dances well)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmRkqEm9LYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co6JvarsLYc

I support Nevena Tsoneva or Nelly Petkova (with a song composed by kuku band)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4WvJ-PAVDE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YefNAdI-8F4

Miro (he is a great live singer, he just needs the right song and not ruin the performance(in 2010 happened something like this year for Croatia), something like this can work for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBKFuOZiTM0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54W4wRvyWhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmlo8IQBRzk

And of course i support the return of Elitsa Todorova

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxer1-pTOJM&feature=related

Maybe Maria Ilieva (but depends on the song)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZqpaaF2-GM&feature=relmfu

Desislava (but if she returns back with something like this not ruined by the stage act)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_E2Kbedetc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W03eTGkNJr8

As for new singers, maybe:
Tsvetelina Yaneva (with a song by Costi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMnpIDFadaI

CypriotGirl
28th May 2012, 20:48
^Totally agree. Go chalga, please! Sofi Marinova is a chalga singer, but "Love Unlimited" was not chalga at all! Although I don't like chalga that much, I love some songs of Galena like "Dj-yad me izdade"! Andrea is nice too, I love her song "Neblagodaren"! A song composed by Costi would be amazing! Zaleilah was one of my favorites this year!

BGN
28th May 2012, 20:54
My personal favourites: Maria Ilieva, Desislava Dobreva, Nelly Rangelova, Raffi Boghossian

Jim
28th May 2012, 22:33
Bulgaria has to send something different...

A-lister
28th May 2012, 22:37
^Totally agree. Go chalga, please! Sofi Marinova is a chalga singer, but "Love Unlimited" was not chalga at all! Although I don't like chalga that much, I love some songs of Galena like "Dj-yad me izdade"! Andrea is nice too, I love her song "Neblagodaren"! A song composed by Costi would be amazing! Zaleilah was one of my favorites this year!

YES YES YES! :)

Yeah, Sofi's song wasn't chalga and although she did an ok job, she's not really an entertaining performer which is needed for something like that.

Or why not an ethno ballad like the ex-yugos tend to send?

I just hope Bulgaria stays and won't send some predictable pop, lame rock or Disney ballad.

Misi
29th May 2012, 00:38
Bulgaria, send Kali!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2VQeaggb0

But with a singable song! She's the right performer who can handle it.

CypriotGirl
29th May 2012, 00:51
Oh, I was gonna suggest Divna, but I think this is not what Bulgaria needs now! It's a kind that the juries will hate unfortunately! I think in few editions, nobody would dare to send something cheerful/dance (unless is a joke like Babushki), after the absolute massacre of all the songs like that this year!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8FPPY-fF7w

BGN
29th May 2012, 12:09
Bulgaria has to send something different...

We do it every year.

handeyener
29th May 2012, 15:20
Bulgaria, send Kali!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2VQeaggb0

But with a singable song! She's the right performer who can handle it.

She was already on the natoinal selection (before joining payner), but i cant recall if it was on 2005 or 2006, but unfortunately she was unlucky back then.

BGN
29th May 2012, 21:28
^2005 with the song "Molitva"

handeyener
30th May 2012, 05:01
Molitva was not a bad song, it was much better than Kaffe. But the true winners of that year were Slavi&Sofi (that ballad is wonderful, i continue listening to it)

94ayd
30th May 2012, 16:07
From the established non-chalga acts, I'd definitely be rooting for Mariya Ilieva. She has also already been involved in the contest - hosted our NF in 2011, as well as delivered out points as spokesperson. What we need, though, are new acts, 'cause we usually choose (one of) the most famous act(s) - a prime exception was in 2007 and we did best then. ;)

BGN
30th May 2012, 16:35
Molitva was not a bad song, it was much better than Kaffe. But the true winners of that year were Slavi&Sofi (that ballad is wonderful, i continue listening to it)

Actually the studio version was awesome, but live singing and performance was awful!

ESCfan
30th May 2012, 19:38
I agree with a post above!I think Miro is a great choice,and the participation of 2010 was just weak.Personally I kinda liked that song...but I prefer him in a song like this,included 2 of my faves (Nevena and Miro)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sKpzPRMFU&amp;feature=related

I would say of course a big yes if Elitsa decide a comeback!!!!She is so charismatic!

handeyener
31st May 2012, 00:53
Actually the studio version was awesome, but live singing and performance was awful!

I agree that live singing ruined everything.

handeyener
31st May 2012, 00:54
From the established non-chalga acts, I'd definitely be rooting for Mariya Ilieva. She has also already been involved in the contest - hosted our NF in 2011, as well as delivered out points as spokesperson. What we need, though, are new acts, 'cause we usually choose (one of) the most famous act(s) - a prime exception was in 2007 and we did best then. ;)

Perhaps the X Factor winner can try.

BGN
31st May 2012, 17:07
OK, offically we are in and will have many months to discuss who will be our nex representative :)

AlekS
31st May 2012, 19:08
From the established non-chalga acts, I'd definitely be rooting for Mariya Ilieva. She has also already been involved in the contest - hosted our NF in 2011, as well as delivered out points as spokesperson. What we need, though, are new acts, 'cause we usually choose (one of) the most famous act(s) - a prime exception was in 2007 and we did best then. ;)
xyeah

I wouldn't mind to see Elitsa again, or Nevena :D

Emreign
31st May 2012, 20:45
KRUM OR ALISIA FOR BULGARIA !!!

BGN
31st May 2012, 23:43
Joana Levieva-Sawyer (Head of delegation): "In BNT we are extremely pleased with the participation of Bulgaria this year and the partnership with Sofi, Krum and their entire team. Bulgraia will participate in next year's "Eurovision Song Contest." One reason for this decision is our rating figures in the two semi-finals and the final, which has increased 2 times compared with 2010 and 2011. The second argument, is the role and function of BNT as a public broadcaster that gives artists a chance to perform on such a big stage and authors to create more music." Regarding the rules of the national selection, Sawyer added: "We are ready to try something completely new, which we haven't tried before. It's also very important what changes will do EBU in their rules, so we will wait before announcing the selection format for next year".

handeyener
1st June 2012, 04:59
Joana Levieva-Sawyer (Head of delegation): "In BNT we are extremely pleased with the participation of Bulgaria this year and the partnership with Sofi, Krum and their entire team. Bulgraia will participate in next year's "Eurovision Song Contest." One reason for this decision is our rating figures in the two semi-finals and the final, which has increased 2 times compared with 2010 and 2011. The second argument, is the role and function of BNT as a public broadcaster that gives artists a chance to perform on such a big stage and authors to create more music." Regarding the rules of the national selection, Sawyer added: "We are ready to try something completely new, which we haven't tried before. It's also very important what changes will do EBU in their rules, so we will wait before announcing the selection format for next year".

Great!!!!, i knew you were in xcheerxcheer

chipzz
4th June 2012, 11:50
New Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lb4tZf3VfK4

A-lister
4th June 2012, 14:58
^
I kinda like this, but weaker than her Bulgarian stuff, also it interestingly sounds like a weaker version of Desislava's ESC entry hmm.

Hope we will get the real deal next year, not some pop compromise.

BGN
4th June 2012, 15:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krAzFCRaTcE

handeyener
4th June 2012, 15:58
New Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lb4tZf3VfK4

Better she doesnt go with an english song. I agree that her bulgarian songs are much stronger.

handeyener
4th June 2012, 15:59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krAzFCRaTcE

That song is nice. Already in my ipod :D

handeyener
4th June 2012, 16:05
This song is one of the best from Preslava, she used to be really good. I don´t know if still she sings live. If yes she is a good choice (only returning to her roots):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWEwoh9Gmj4&feature=related

Or something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHqZFq8uObU

With this you can return to the finals. I can listen to this song constantly and never get tired of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxpE1WVA8b8

handeyener
4th June 2012, 16:13
Pop folk + rock beat :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpKMYH82Bnc

BGN
4th June 2012, 18:53
Better she doesnt go with an english song. I agree that her bulgarian songs are much stronger.

And Bulgarians really like songs, performed in Bulgarian and I'm sure that BNT will continue next year with another song in our language ;)

BGN
8th June 2012, 21:54
http://ogae-bg.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/4867672f1.jpg

Dear fans, Bulgarian broadcaster BNT with OGAE Bulgaria and eurovision-bg.com are doing research among European fans.
We will be very delighted if you answer some questions here -> http://ogae-bg.com/?p=808

Yamarus
9th June 2012, 00:02
I'll do the survey! I'm glad the Bulgarian broadcaster is taking the matter so seriously, I wish we'd see such dedication here at home.

I also feel Bulgaria was scandalously robbed in 2011, and would've deserved to go through in 2012 instead of Tooji.

A-lister
9th June 2012, 00:51
I answered :)

I really like the initiative. Bulgaria doesn't give up easily, I applaud them.

daniels1000
9th June 2012, 00:55
Wow, ::bg has taken seriously for Eurovision 2013.

CPV4931
9th June 2012, 01:01
Nice idea :-)
Maybe I´ll sent my answers tomorrow

BGN
10th June 2012, 13:31
BNT will make special report for the survey. The activity is very high and they want to thank all the people, participated in the research for becoming important part of our participation in 2013 :).
The preparations are on full speed and let's hope that this will lead to good result :)

NikkiBoy
10th June 2012, 16:33
I will send my answer now :D

handeyener
10th June 2012, 20:57
I sent my answer to the survey!!!

CPV4931
11th June 2012, 02:03
I sent my answer to the survey!!!

I also sent my answers... I hope, this will be succesful.

chipzz
19th June 2012, 12:58
Another possible participants: Angel & Moisey

http://www.24chasa.bg/Images/Cache/Image_1134076_126.jpg

http://www.slusham.com/img3/1111/angel_moisei_kitari.jpg

http://img3.ekrana.info/1111/angel_moisei_x_factor.jpg

http://jylto.com/images/Kliuki/ANGEL_I_MOISEI.jpg

http://www.balkanec.bg/pictures/big/1322731657.jpg

http://woman.hotnews.bg/static/uploads/content/48/1322149668.jpg

http://www.dnes.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Angel_i_Moisei_2.jpg

They are AWESOME!!!!!!!!

A-lister
19th June 2012, 15:56
^
Oh God, not X-Factor... I can already hear how they sound with just looking at those pics... too predictable :lol:

chipzz
19th June 2012, 16:37
What do you expect from a singer to sound in Eurovision?
like this?
http://clubtone.net/_ph/1/846688216.jpg

chipzz
20th June 2012, 11:08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKyhw6eOd78&feature=share

chipzz
20th June 2012, 13:48
They confirmed participation for 2013 :)
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421538_10150969617473360_279647901_n.jpg

Jukica
20th June 2012, 17:06
Sofi should've qualified this year :( hoping for a great song next year as well xcheer

A-lister
20th June 2012, 17:32
^
Their type of music never really works in ESC, I'm not comparing them to Trackshittaz, but that's just one example.

Nah, a great chalga uptempo party song or an ethno ballad thank you... anything HipHop influenced tend to fail in ESC.

tuorem
20th June 2012, 17:50
^
A-lister, don't forget that it's Bulgaria and not Austria... We never know if it can be the juries' pet like in 2011 :D

A-lister
20th June 2012, 18:17
^
A-lister, don't forget that it's Lithuania and not Austria... We never know if it can be the juries' pet like in 2011 :D

What do you mean?

chipzz
20th June 2012, 18:45
Their ESC song won't be in that style at all. It will be a special song for ESC standarts
It will be something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjHlgrGsLWQ&feature=relmfu
but a lot of energie involved in it and faster

tuorem
20th June 2012, 18:46
What do you mean?

Well, in 2011, lots of people were convinced Bulgaria (I wrote Lithuania, sorry) would qualify. We all know what happened.
In 2012, with juries voting for Georgia, Ukraine, Malta and stuff like that, I wouldn't be surprised if they would vote for an odd entry next time, when some Bulgarian songs undeservedly failed to qualify in the past.

A-lister
20th June 2012, 18:53
Well, in 2011, lots of people were convinced Bulgaria (I wrote Lithuania, sorry) would qualify. We all know what happened.
In 2012, with juries voting for Georgia, Ukraine, Malta and stuff like that, I wouldn't be surprised if they would vote for an odd entry next time, when some Bulgarian songs undeservedly failed to qualify in the past.

They won't vote for rap though, rap and HipHop has NEVER worked in ESC and NEVER got jury support.

tuorem
20th June 2012, 19:00
Wasn't there rap in Finland 2009? Bad rap obviously but still :D Juries saved it

A-lister
20th June 2012, 19:25
Wasn't there rap in Finland 2009? Bad rap obviously but still :D Juries saved it

Juries were obviously high then (just as in the case of Lithuania 2011 and Georgia 2012) :lol:, but did they vote for it in the final? no!

tuorem
20th June 2012, 19:36
Juries were obviously high then (just as in the case of Lithuania 2011 and Georgia 2012) :lol:, but did they vote for it in the final? no!

Haha! Thank god no! Listening to this song twice was enough torment to see them get a higher placing than last! :?

handeyener
20th June 2012, 19:52
Angel & Moisey are talented, but they don´t have what it takes for Bulgaria to reach the final at the moment. Although perhaps juries can save them as they seem to have a strange taste

A-lister
20th June 2012, 20:57
Angel & Moisey are talented, but they don´t have what it takes for Bulgaria to reach the final at the moment. Although perhaps juries can save them as they seem to have a strange taste

I don't think juries will save them and I can't see them doing better than Sofi did with televoters (and she actually would have qualified thanks to televoters).

I say give Desislava a STRONG song this time around, and you're in the game.

chipzz
20th June 2012, 20:57
You never heard their ESC song or ESC performance and you're already confinced and sure about them! You were sure about Sofi and how horrible she was,but she was great and she beacame 9th in the harder semi with no friends ,think about if she was in 1st semi she'd get top 5 for sure! But everybody was so mean with her before Eurovision! Why,people,why???

A-lister
20th June 2012, 21:00
You never heard their ESC song or ESC performance and you're already confinced and sure about them! You were sure about Sofi and how horrible she was,but she was great and she beacame 9th in the harder semi with no friends ,think about if she was in 1st semi she'd get top 5 for sure! But everybody was so mean with her before Eurovision! Why,people,why???

When did I say Sofi was horrible? That's just nonsense. I supported Sofi, I just think they should have added more to the stage show, but I did say it looked better in ESC than in the national selection though.

Of course I haven't heard their entry, but their style usually flops in ESC.

I'm quite supportive of Bulgaria in ESC generally, I think both Poli and Sofi deserved qualification, so don't jump on my back for nothing xrose

tuorem
20th June 2012, 21:16
Sofi sang great! Don't know why juries ranked her so low.

A-lister
20th June 2012, 21:17
Sofi sang great! Don't know why juries ranked her so low.

Because it was too modern, too dancy and not over-wailing American style (Gaitana, Pastora) or a cheese ballad.

tuorem
20th June 2012, 21:27
Yeah, you're right :( They really have to change their criteria, or let's create the Eurocheesion contest for them :D

94ayd
20th June 2012, 22:48
Angel & Moysey get a thumbs down from me. Never liked them on X Factor. And when the hell will people understand it's not about the singers, but about the songs, 'cause we keep voting for artists, instead of compostions... And yes, Sofi doing so badly with juries just proves they make even more sense than before. Now they don't even support strong vocals, though hers weren't the obvious common ones, so maybe that played a role.

chipzz
20th June 2012, 23:35
Voice of boys new video soon
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/421466_373216886066172_1062309151_n.jpg

chipzz
21st June 2012, 10:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1z2FAsQ58Y&feature=player_embedded
Newest video of Emilia. I hope BNT will produce her next year

daniels1000
21st June 2012, 15:55
“I’m a little sad,” Sofi admitted after the show. “I can’t believe it. I was dreaming that they have chosen us. Our whole team tried very hard, I sang with much love and a smile, and I gave everything,” she said while vowing to participate again next year. Despite the criticism, Sofi remains proud of her song and performance.

I found that here : http://wiwibloggs.com/2012/06/20/bulgaria-was-sofi-marinova-a-success-or-a-failure/18677/

chipzz
28th June 2012, 13:08
New song of Dess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY3tRVpuDOg&feature=player_embedded

BGN
28th June 2012, 20:03
BNT (Bulgaria) and NTU (Ukraine) signed agreement for cooperation in various TV programs (including ESC) :)

A-lister
29th June 2012, 01:08
BNT (Bulgaria) and NTU (Ukraine) signed agreement for cooperation in various TV programs (including ESC) :)

HMM...

A-lister
29th June 2012, 01:10
New song of Dess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY3tRVpuDOg&feature=player_embedded

Her best English song is "I Like" imo, but her Bulgarian stuff is sooo much better... if she'd enter the selection I hope she really chooses something closer to her regular style.

"Love is Alive" had potential but ended up quite flat and generic. I still kinda like it though, but they should have put the main focus on the ethnic parts rather than the typical Pop song.

CC92
29th June 2012, 14:19
And when the hell will people understand it's not about the singers, but about the songs, 'cause we keep voting for artists, instead of compostions... And yes, Sofi doing so badly with juries just proves they make even more sense than before. Now they don't even support strong vocals, though hers weren't the obvious common ones, so maybe that played a role.

What?? It is more than obvious, not to say common knowledge, that is the jury that votes for vocals and not general viewers. I grant the announcement of the split votes is kind of messy so mayhap you mixed up the gaps – check up again. :lol: Or do you think the morons included Be my guest and Quédate conmigo in their Top10 because they considered them good compositions? Even though this would not be less of a proof of their stupidness then.

On topic, I also think rap (as the main element at least) would not work and Bulgarian broadcaster is overdue to send something ethnic or folk-inspired. Desi Slava has good songs but Love is alive was very late nineties/early 00's that I am pretty sure it would of failed in ESC. Na inat was a good 'western pop' song but very non-instant in some way. I cannot really describe why but most people I know were not impressed at first listen.

BGN
30th June 2012, 20:46
HMM...

It's interesting what kind of cooperation will be this.

Matt
15th July 2012, 02:45
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http://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/themes/funki/themify/img.php?src=http://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/GD_6236.jpg&w=450&h=300 (http://wiwibloggs.com/2012/07/14/can-you-help-bulgaria-win-eurovision/18902/)
Can You Help Bulgaria Win Eurovision (http://wiwibloggs.com/2012/07/14/can-you-help-bulgaria-win-eurovision/18902/)?

A-lister
18th July 2012, 14:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1z2FAsQ58Y&feature=player_embedded
Newest video of Emilia. I hope BNT will produce her next year

I really like this one, a song like this would be great for Bulgaria. Emilia however, I doubt she can sing well live.

handeyener
19th July 2012, 00:44
I really like this one, a song like this would be great for Bulgaria. Emilia however, I doubt she can sing well live.

She sings decent live (much better than Andrea, Djena, Tsvetelina or Galena), once i heard her at Planeta Prima and convinced me and she has the looks as well. Hope she takes part someday, btw i like that song very much!!!

A-lister
20th July 2012, 18:10
She sings decent live (much better than Andrea, Djena, Tsvetelina or Galena), once i heard her at Planeta Prima and convinced me and she has the looks as well. Hope she takes part someday, btw i like that song very much!!!

Hmm any clip of her live singing? Well I don't like Djena and yes Cvetelina sounds like a witch having a cold when singing live lol.

Desislava would still be the strongest choice, but if Emilia can actually sing live then that'd be ok aswell, I like her.

chipzz
20th July 2012, 21:17
new amazing video by desislava! really great! it made euphoria in bulgaria

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0R3rLME44Q&list=PLFDCCA5C7DB6F4BCE&index=114&feature=plpp_video

chipzz
20th July 2012, 21:22
Hmm any clip of her live singing? Well I don't like Djena and yes Cvetelina sounds like a witch having a cold when singing live lol.

Desislava would still be the strongest choice, but if Emilia can actually sing live then that'd be ok aswell, I like her.

The host says ''one of the greatest Bulgarian voices''
She performs her own folklore song live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP7ZOyEBlyk

A-lister
22nd July 2012, 04:02
new amazing video by desislava! really great! it made euphoria in bulgaria

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0R3rLME44Q&list=PLFDCCA5C7DB6F4BCE&index=114&feature=plpp_video

I still hate the fact she use that silly "12 yo school girl" 'Dess' as her artist name for international market / English songs. Stick with Desislava for God sake! It sounds so much better and unique.

However, I like the song and this video is one of the sexiest videos I've ever seen actually. I still prefer her Bulgarian stuff though. I really like her new Bulgarian song aswell:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dROEdjOTpmI

She really did a mistake with her Eurovision attempt. While it was alright, it was so below what she usually does and capable of doing.

If nothing is set in stone yet, I'd say internal selection Desislava for 2013, let her sing 3-5 songs or so... but then they need time to prepare good songs. The past year BNT asked asked way too late imo, so there was little time for most to prepare something really good.

A-lister
22nd July 2012, 04:05
The host says ''one of the greatest Bulgarian voices''
She performs her own folklore song live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP7ZOyEBlyk

Hmm, better than expected for sure. I like Emilia, her new album is really good and the previous one was also pretty good, but I always thought she was one of those "fake blondes, silicone" chalga chicks who "got lucky" but wasn't actually a talented singer, this proved me wrong.

Still prefer Desislava though, her voice is much softer and yet stronger in the meantime. I honestly think she's the best Bulgarian artist.

handeyener
23rd July 2012, 03:40
[QUOTE=A-lister;800944]Hmm, better than expected for sure. I like Emilia, her new album is really good and the previous one was also pretty good, but I always thought she was one of those "fake blondes, silicone" chalga chicks who "got lucky" but wasn't actually a talented singer, this proved me wrong.

I agree because Desislava can sing anything and not just folkloric genre, hope she doesnt repeat the same mistake of entering a song below her level just for the sake of making something on Eurovision format. It also happened the same with Miro (talented singer, but bad choices of songs they composed for him).

A-lister
23rd July 2012, 15:51
I agree because Desislava can sing anything and not just folkloric genre, hope she doesnt repeat the same mistake of entering a song below her level just for the sake of making something on Eurovision format. It also happened the same with Miro (talented singer, but bad choices of songs they composed for him).

Yup, watching the Miro selection the other year was almost tragical. On paper he was promising, but what a bunch of bad songs they provided for him, such a pity.

I hope, if Desislava enters a national selection again or perhaps will be internally selected, that she won't settle for weak or compromised material like Miro did and like she did for the 2012 selection.

handeyener
23rd July 2012, 23:58
Found a weird rumor in the internet about Sasho Roman (a gypsy singer) entering the 2013 national selection. In the little i understand he says he will submit a song in order to be able to host Eurovision in Bulgaria.

???? ?????: ?? ?? ??????? ????????? (http://blife.bg/article-15438)

I think he has only one huge hit called Moy Angele, but i doubt he comes with something strong.

BGN
22nd August 2012, 09:54
Bulgaria will continue with the open national selection format, although there may be significant changes in the preselection process.
The full details about the new selection will be released by BNT in a few days time.

DannyDS
22nd August 2012, 12:14
You should send Sofi every year!

I loved this move of hers:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pl66fZfN1rpq6ago1_400.gif

She's the Queen of Epic!

BGN
26th September 2012, 15:59
Bulgaria reconfirmed participation in ESC 2013. The rules and the format of the selection will be decided and released soon

Fluke
27th September 2012, 15:30
So, i guess Azis isn't interested?

Matt
27th September 2012, 20:35
After some informations were spreading that Bulgarian Television had already chosen the format for their 2013 Eurovision Song Contest national selection, the broadcaster BNT has released their own statement to answer such rumours, thus confirming their participation in Malmö next year.



eurovision.tv article (http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=bulgaria_sets_the_mood_for_2013)

BGN
27th September 2012, 23:04
So, i guess Azis isn't interested?

There is no option for Azis as long as BNT is the producer - that means he never will be selectied, especially as solo :)

Yes, there is always chance to change dramatically his image, but in the current circumstances his participation is impossible.

Charly
28th September 2012, 12:17
^

ThankGod :lol:

A-lister
28th September 2012, 18:14
^

ThankGod :lol:

Agree! :lol:

However, BNT oddly added him to the 2006 performance so to say they're totally against him isn't true. However I'd love to see some chalga act for ESC, and not with a compromised sound like we got from Desislava in the '12 selection or Sofi's entry (which sounded more like Romanian dance rather than chalga).

BGN
28th September 2012, 23:48
In 2006 the situation was totally different. Azis was at least not so disgusting as now, and his performance in Athens was very limited and all was controlled by the BNT officials.
In the recent years BNT is more opened to the chalga performers, but still there are some borders, which won't be crossed...never. To be honest I expect the first Eurovision return for Bulgaria. Maybe Elitsa and Stoyan will participate again. Recently they are preparing new albun, which hasn't been released, yet.
BTW, apparantly Desislava returned to her pop-folk career ;)

Charly
29th September 2012, 00:14
Agree! :lol:

However, BNT oddly added him to the 2006 performance so to say they're totally against him isn't true. However I'd love to see some chalga act for ESC, and not with a compromised sound like we got from Desislava in the '12 selection or Sofi's entry (which sounded more like Romanian dance rather than chalga).

Neli Petkova, Gloria, Alisia and Cvetelina Yaneva are great example to use for BNT Selection :D

A-lister
29th September 2012, 01:35
Neli Petkova, Gloria, Alisia and Cvetelina Yaneva are great example to use for BNT Selection :D

Desislava, Andrea, Alisia or Neli Petkova would be my first picks :)

BGN
29th September 2012, 13:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jLeMhMih3A


After the contest BNT aired special movie, called "Sofi in Wonderland", but it was movie about Eurovision 2012 in generall with many backstage shots and interviews with Sofi, Loreen, Zeljko Joksimovich, Buranovskiye babushki, Can Bonomo, Tooji, Nina Zilli, Jedward and many others.
And in this movie they also said that there are 7 lessons, they learned from Eurovision in the years:

And some of them sounded like this:

People which say that Bulgaria must withdraw from the contest should stop, because BNT have absolutely no intention to listen to them and they don't plan anything like this in the near future. Eurovison is the bigest stage, where our musicians can introduce themselves and the ones which are smart, will grab the chance. They say that withdrawal will be loss not for Europe, but only for us.

The authors and the musicians should watch Eurovision hundred of times if needed in order to come up with something originall, fresh and catchy.

The kitsch is part of the contest and we should use it in adequate way. If a singer wants to be alone, this must be based on the assumption that she/he is capable to make remarkable performance on his/her own. If there is ballet, choreography and etc., it shouldn't be some gymnast, doing some exercises on the stage (with some shots from Anggun's performance :D )

And finally and the most important Bulgaria should develop own style in the contest and chalga and folklore elements may be part of this. In their opinion, chlaga is successful in Eurovision and they gave the example with Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Serbia, etc.. We should stop with the experiments and bring something more Balkanic.


So based on all this, I expect strongly ethno influenced entry for us in 2013.

A-lister
29th September 2012, 18:18
^
I very much approve of this message BNT! And it's actually the approach I think would benefit ESC the most if more countries would have this approach. I really like that BNT is atleast trying to make an effort (the questionnaire they sent out is part of this aswell). I wish that making effort will pay off eventually. Don't give up!

BGN
29th September 2012, 20:28
In 3 out of 8 attempts we were very close to the final, especially in 2012. Once we reached the final and finished 5th. So if we had some more luck in these 3 attempts, our record wouldn't have been so bad.
Let's hope that we'll find the song and musician which will give us this 1 point more, we missed in 2012.

A-lister
29th September 2012, 21:38
In 3 out of 8 attempts we were very close to the final, especially in 2012. Once we reached the final and finished 5th. So if we had some more luck in these 3 attempts, our record wouldn't have been so bad.
Let's hope that we'll find the song and musician which will give us this 1 point more, we missed in 2012.

Exactly, and I think the idea about creating your own image in ESC is the best way to go, instead of chasing what everyone else chase. Greece, Serbia and Armenia all did this, and they're constantly in the final. Surely diaspora may help out, and some may get 'tired' that they blend almost all their entries with local sounds, but in the end of the day they have their niche and they're pretty successful at it.

BGN
29th September 2012, 22:40
Yes, in this movie they also say that the success in 2007 is something that we should think about. Why we were successful only in one attempt and this attempt is with song, based on ethno sound. On the other hand maybe they are too obsessed to find particular solution, a formula to follow, but that can be explained easily. When you have so many fails it is normal to try something, which has proved it's success in the past. And this in our case is the ethno sound, the typical Balkan motives.
Love Unlimited was nice try in this direction and no matter of being unsuccessful in aspect of the final result, this was our second best place in the contest. So we have 8 songs until now, and the most successful are these with ethnic elements.
Maybe it will become a bit boring to send one type of songs every year as you say, but until now we send every year different style, but Europe don't appreciate our attempts...
But I think that we aren't that bad Eurovision nation despite the results and the right way maybe is very close ...
The first thing is already done - we keep trying and searching this way. Hope to find it finally in 2013.

Knubelznarm
24th October 2012, 20:41
I just randomly found this video on Youtube recently, and I loved it instantly! Didn't know who it was, but I found out it was Azis. I for one would LOVE to see him in Eurovision with his own act. If he was allowed to be a background singer in 2006 with that extravagant make-up and hair, I don't see why he can't do it again for Bulgaria in the future. He's obviously interesting both musically and visually :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRCVH5QCpGs&feature=autoplay&list=LLtwEMbchzi2wcSbJuAG7TTQ&playnext=6

Charly
24th October 2012, 20:49
^

Kill me!

Jim
24th October 2012, 22:22
I just randomly found this video on Youtube recently, and I loved it instantly! Didn't know who it was, but I found out it was Azis. I for one would LOVE to see him in Eurovision with his own act. If he was allowed to be a background singer in 2006 with that extravagant make-up and hair, I don't see why he can't do it again for Bulgaria in the future. He's obviously interesting both musically and visually :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRCVH5QCpGs&feature=autoplay&list=LLtwEMbchzi2wcSbJuAG7TTQ&playnext=6

Oh my God!!! What a monster!!! :o

Knubelznarm
24th October 2012, 22:50
Oh my God!!! What a monster!!! :o

I know right!? It's amazing xcheers

A-lister
24th October 2012, 23:00
I know right!? It's amazing xcheers

Oh no, not Azis!!! I want chalga but he's pretty awful. He's more image and controversy (forced) than good music imo. He has a couple of good songs but that's all.

If Bulgaria is going for chalga they should pick Desislava or some actual great chalga artist.

Knubelznarm
24th October 2012, 23:15
Whatever, I'm all for chalga, whoever be the provider. I was even rooting for Desislava last year, but I would love to see Azis for Bulgaria some day as he's quite the phenomenon of bulgarian music.

Jim
24th October 2012, 23:20
I don't like Azis! :mrgreen:

A-lister
25th October 2012, 00:06
Whatever, I'm all for chalga, whoever be the provider. I was even rooting for Desislava last year, but I would love to see Azis for Bulgaria some day as he's quite the phenomenon of bulgarian music.

Well, he is (or was it's all getting a bit tired now). My concern is not really the image (which at times can be interesting), but that his music really lacks as most of his stuff is pretty weak imo (compared to other big names in chalga).

People seem to forget he was actually a part of the Bulgarian entry in 2006 :)

Btw, his new song is quite ok:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RII4HYdc8-o

BGN
18th November 2012, 11:14
There are rumours that this song will be selected internally to represent Bulgaria in ESC 2013, although BNT hasn't confirmed or denied that, yet.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M5DC-JqJsck#!

A-lister
18th November 2012, 15:31
^
HMMM who is the gay guy?

BGN
18th November 2012, 15:49
^
Here is brief description from his official website (http://www.alek-sandar.com).


Alek Sandar is a music producer and remixer having worked with a big variety of international artists. He has worked with Oscar Loya, Andrea, Jeremy Amelin, Frankmusik and Far East Movement, Payner Music, Universal Music and many more.

A-lister
18th November 2012, 15:56
^
Here is brief description from his official website (http://www.alek-sandar.com).

^Oh God, he even looks sorta like Oscar Loya and we all know how that went out xshrug

LEAVE DESISLAVA ALONE!!!! :lol:

BGN
18th November 2012, 16:22
Anyway, I don't think that these rumours could be true, no matter that BNT hasn't released the rules for the selection yet and there are speculations that they may go to internall selection this time.
But i decided to bump this topic with some rumours :D And this song could also participate in the selection.

A-lister
18th November 2012, 16:24
Anyway, I don't think that these rumours could be true, no matter that BNT hasn't released the rules for the selection yet and there are speculations that they may go to internall selection this time.
But i decided to bump this topic with some rumours :D And this song could also participate in the selection.

We'll see ;) I'd love to see Desislava, I don't care for that other person though...

CPV4931
18th November 2012, 18:38
There could be worse songs participating for Bulgaria (if it will be chosen). But I liked Desislavas "Love is alive" more than her song with Alek Sandar.

CypriotGirl
18th November 2012, 18:42
I don't like that song, it's too genric... I hope the rumors are not true!

VikingTiger
18th November 2012, 18:58
I choose not to believe in these rumours. What a terribly dull song... Bulgaria is able to do way better than this!
I am still so sorry that Tooji captured the last place in the final on the expance of Sofi Marinova that deserved it so much more (both because of the song and the vocal abilities).

BGN
18th November 2012, 19:29
If Sofi reached the final, she wouldn't have been last like Tooji and I'm 100% sure about that.
Bulgaria made very good promo campaign and all traditionally friendly to us countries voted in the first semi.

VikingTiger
18th November 2012, 19:49
BGN - I believe you are right. I think Sofi would have managed to get away from the bottom 5 if she has reached the final, a place around 15-18, maybe? Love Unlimited was actually one of my personal favourites in 2012!

dizzydjc
18th November 2012, 20:17
If that song is the song they choose, they have a very good chance of qualifying! I like it.

handeyener
18th November 2012, 20:41
Her song with Alek Sandar is catchy but not strong enough to reach the final. I prefer 1000 times more Love unlimited.

I say yes to Desislava if she comes with something better than love is alive, but she should get rid of this Alek Sandar guy im not impressed of his other songs:lol: and he is not even that good looking

Scooby
18th November 2012, 20:42
I don't like that song, it's too genric... I hope the rumors are not true!

Agree

handeyener
18th November 2012, 20:53
Any of this past 3 months chalga hits are much better than that song

A-lister
19th November 2012, 03:01
Why can't they just choose Desislava with an entry which is more close to her normal style?? The same problem as with 'Love is alive' ... I mean just send a real chalga song Bulgaria!!! No compromises! (or atleast not as much).

BGN
19th November 2012, 20:54
BNT will never allow 'real chalga' / turbo folk. But the chances for a song with folklore elements are very high though.

CypriotGirl
21st November 2012, 19:39
BNT will never allow 'real chalga' / turbo folk. But the chances for a song with folklore elements are very high though.

I prefer songs with folklore elements (and not pop) rather than real chalga to be honest. But not like the 2007 entry, I disliked it!

A-lister
30th November 2012, 21:22
Singer Alisia just released her video to her brand new single 'Na Krugul Chas'... the song is 3min and Alisia already tried to enter last year's Bulgarian selection but her song back then wasn't picked for the show...

Now, I'm not sure whether or not she would potentially try again.... but who knows? And if so, could it potentially be this one?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF-MoRijtBc

BGN
1st December 2012, 17:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=us_EMCPBf8A

Emreign
2nd December 2012, 13:30
Could you please send Alisia or Krum for Bulgaria to ESC 2013 !!!

I adore to them ! (Desislava also :) )

But song mustn't be a CHALGA STYLE of course ! :D

BGN
5th December 2012, 21:10
Angel & Moisey, Bogomil, Raffi and Graffa will participate in the BNT's New year traditional concert. All of them are considered as potential contenders to represent Bulgaria in Malmoe.
Among the hosts will be Alexander Sano (this year NF host).

handeyener
6th December 2012, 01:23
Angel & Moisey, Bogomil, Raffi and Graffa will participate in the BNT's New year traditional concert. All of them are considered as potential contenders to represent Bulgaria in Malmoe.
Among the hosts will be Alexander Sano (this year NF host).

From that list i would only like Bogomil or Graffa to participate on national final. I dislike Raffi and Angel & Moisey will have exactly the same result as Trackshittaz.

A-lister
6th December 2012, 01:35
Angel & Moisey, Bogomil, Raffi and Graffa will participate in the BNT's New year traditional concert. All of them are considered as potential contenders to represent Bulgaria in Malmoe.
Among the hosts will be Alexander Sano (this year NF host).

*yawn* at those names... The chalga hate continues from BNT... Instead some silly wannabe rappers and Idol participants...

Well good luck with that!

BGN
6th December 2012, 06:59
Well, there is still a lot time all contestants to be confirmed. It's expected BNT to publish the rules soon.
As for the chalga and the chalga artists, there is expected some of them to try, noone stops them, actually, but in truth they don't feel prepared to fight for european glory.
And before years there were talks between Payner and BNT about Eurovision, but Payner stated that BNT have totally different view about the music. BNT wanted something more folklore based, as Payner wanted to send some songs in their usual style.

A-lister
6th December 2012, 13:29
Well, there is still a lot time all contestants to be confirmed. It's expected BNT to publish the rules soon.
As for the chalga and the chalga artists, there is expected some of them to try, noone stops them, actually, but in truth they don't feel prepared to fight for european glory.
And before years there were talks between Payner and BNT about Eurovision, but Payner stated that BNT have totally different view about the music. BNT wanted something more folklore based, as Payner wanted to send some songs in their usual style.

I'm totally ok with something more folklore-styled aswell, but I don't buy this BNT story about chalga artists being less 'prepared', they're probably more prepared than most of the names that have entered the Bulgarian selections until now. Did BNT forget what they've chosen in the past? Was Krassimir 'prepared'? Names like Desislava or Emilia are totally ready to do this.

BGN
6th December 2012, 16:10
It's not BNT story that chalga artist's are less prepared, but their own feeling, IMO and they hasn't choosen nobody in the past years, as all our selections form our debut are open and even Miro was chosen by wide range of musical experts, external media like newspapers, radio programmes, tv and so on...

I mean, nobody of the chalga performers have ever tried to enter in the NF with a song (not cover, as very significant part of chalga songs on the market) and this is sign that they are not interested or are scared to compete on the big stage.
Last year Desislava and Sofi Marinova were the first pop-folk singers and they did well in the NF, Sofi even won it.
I think that Bulgarian chalga may be very suitable for party music in the disco, but they have to work more, to change a bit the sound in order to make it more noticeable.
Pop folk has to mean popular folklore, but their songs nowadays very rare have anything to do with our rhythms. Popular folklore (pop folk) IMO is a song like Water, not what Preslava (for e.g.) is usually singing.
We have very rich folklore culture, especially in the music, so there is a vast base which our artist could and should use to make something modern and out of the stereotypes.

A-lister
6th December 2012, 16:19
It's not BNT story that chalga artist's are less prepared, but their own feeling, IMO.
I mean, nobody of them ever tried to enter in the NF with a song (not cover, as very significant part of chalga songs on the market) and this is sign that they are not interested or are scared to compete on the big stage.
Last year Desislava and Sofi Marinova were the first pop-folk singers and they did well in the NF, Sofi even won it.
I think that Bulgarian chalga may be very suitable for party music in the disco, but they have to work more, to change a bit the sound in order to make it more noticeable.
Pop folk has to mean popular folklore, but their songs nowadays very rare have anything to do with our rhythms. Popular folklore (pop folk) IMO is a song like Water, not what Preslava (for e.g.) is usually singing.
We have very rich folklore culture, especially in the music, so there is a vast base which our artist could and should use to make something modern and out of the stereotypes.

Just because they don't want to enter the contest, it doesn't mean that they aren't 'prepared'. Those are two totally different things. IF they wanted to go, they'd probably have a more finished product than the names that have entered because whether one likes these artists or not, many of them have a big machine behind them and they are no strangers to the stage and delivering professional products.

I know chalga is not really representative of Bulgarian folklore, but it's still part of Bulgarian music scene and I have no doubt it could be successful in ESC. Greece, Armenia, Turkey and others have sent entries in similar styles and been successful with way more mediocre songs than the general chalga hit. I'd prefer though something like Desislava did in 'Love is Alive' MINUS the English-pop and more focus on the folklore bits. It could be mixed with a contemporary uptempo sound, but not in the way it was done though.

Sofi may be a chalga singer, but her song was more a amateur try at Romanian Dance music than Bulgarian chalga. Also the lack of fitting show to the song and lack of looks and charisma didn't help it either.

'Voda' is a perfect example of WHY Bulgaria should try something ethno again, uptempo or ballad, because it's the only successful Bulgarian entry to date. Now, I don't think you should repeat the same formula, because that'd be boring... but certainly something ethno/folk inspired would be good.

BGN
6th December 2012, 16:37
You are right that these are two different things, but there must be reason that stops these performers to participate. And it's not the broadcaster, as we can see that the first 2 chalga performers weren't stopped at all.
And talking for "Voda" and Bulgarian ethno sound in generall, maybe we miss something. And that is the juries hate against all out of the stereotypes.
Voda made good result in year without juries and now we are punished for even singing in our language, what will be if we send ethno song...

A-lister
6th December 2012, 16:40
You are right that these are two different things, but there must be reason that stops these performers to participate. And it's not the broadcaster, as we can see that the first 2 chalga performers weren't stopped at all.
And talking for "Voda" and Bulgarian ethno sound in generall, maybe we miss something. And that is the juries hate against all out of the stereotypes.
Voda made good result in year without juries and now we are punished for even singing in our language, what will be if we send ethno song...

Well, my guess is the problem that occurs in most countries that established acts and popular names simply don't want to risk anything by taking part in this selection, especially in countries like Bulgaria which are very unlucky in ESC. I mean if you fail then the local public might turn against you, and to take that risk when you're a popular name is not something many would do. But didn't Preslava try to enter some years ago and her song was turned down by BNT?

I agree about that, Bulgaria is certainly mistreated by the ESC juries no doubt, but that means you must work even harder with the PUBLIC (who have 50% say afterall), and I think they would like something like that.

BGN
6th December 2012, 16:53
There were rumours for Preslava, but not officially confirmed, especially when we talk about the song (the same situation with N.O.H.A.), although then Payner music weren't very keen on losing money, because Preslava would have been asked to make promo tour, to prepare for the big stage and that means, that she won't be able to perform every night on clubs, whis is bad for Payner.
So there are many factors in this story.

A-lister
6th December 2012, 17:04
There were rumours for Preslava, but not officially confirmed, especially when we talk about the song (the same situation with N.O.H.A.), although then Payner music weren't very keen on losing money, because Preslava would have been asked to make promo tour, to prepare for the big stage and that means, that she won't be able to perform every night on clubs, whis is bad for Payner.
So there are many factors in this story.

From what I understand her entry wasn't accepted because they didn't want chalga... but I guess there are many sides to this story.

I think the Bulgarian situation resemblance the Serbian a bit, where RTS is also closing the door for turbo-folk to enter their ESC selection and everything Pink related is more or less banned... in Bulgaria the counterparts would be chalga and Planeta/Payner I guess.

Serbia, unlike Bulgaria though, have still been very good at absorbing ethnic sounds and have been very successful in ESC by doing so. The situation is a bit different 'cause Serbia also have more diaspora and a 'bloc' supporting them, but nevertheless I think Bulgaria should take some notes from this.

handeyener
7th December 2012, 23:51
What ::bg really needs for 2013 is to send a ballad with folkloric elements or something on chalga style (which will be improbable). Everyone
will probably have in other country selections Euphoria rip-off or uptempo songs, so its the perfect chance to present other different musical genre to get more attention.
What intrigues me is why they haven´t published the rules yet? when last year we already knew the songs around this month. I just hope they don´t publich the rules to record and submit a song 3 weeks before the National Final or something like thay :lol:

And about Payner, their music videos have awesome productions. it could bring more beneficts a partnership betwenn BNT and Payner. Payner is not only chalga music, i believe that they also own another channel (Planeta Folk) which broadcast performances and videos of narodna muzika. So the one that is here with the prejudice is BNT. Sofi perhaps wouldnt have won this year if she went with a more chalga style song to ESC and the song of Desislava wasnt also chalga influenced. And maybe Alisia´s song wasnt selected last year because perhaps it sounded too chalga.

The one i see with chances to do something folkloric is perhaps Neli Petkova (with something from kuku band). And im very certain we will see returning artists from previous NF´s like Ruth Koleva or Svetozar.
I just hope they dont select the idiol participants.

Something like this could be amazing to watch on european stage:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XvEpT3hPCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTqx2hcZCgc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjuYlpv5LDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDhLZlQSvRw

BTW maybe a newcommer like Galin can also try (he has a nice voice, more suited for pop music rather than from chalga music i think) and that still doesnt have many concerts and compromises at the pubs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHYqwlwgCnI

A-lister
8th December 2012, 00:00
^
Well, Alisia's song wasn't chalga though, but yeah it's obvious BNT are prejudiced, and Sofi's and Desislava's entries are sort of proof of that. I mean both are chalga singers, but none of their entries were actually chalga or something they'd normally do, so it all felt like compromises to be accepted by BNT.

Payner (yeah they own Planeta) have much more experience and are more professional when it comes to music events and organizing shows, I'm pretty sure if BNT would be more open-minded they could come up with some really strong entry for Bulgaria together.

I also agree with your analyze that this is what Bulgaria should try to stand out. It doesn't have to be chalga, but something ethno inspired would be great.

I agreee about Neli Petkova and Ku-Ku Bend, and I could actually see BNT picking them aswell. Neli Petkova is on my top list of picks for Bulgaria together with Desislava and a couple of other names.

I don't think your examples are what would work the best however, there are better examples of chalga than those, but all in all I agree with your general message.

BGN
8th December 2012, 00:07
Deep Zone are interested in comeback and they are one of the number of artists, which are waiting for the official confirmation of the rules. They are expected to be published in a week or two time. Most probably it will be again national final with national selection, however with many changes in the jury panel, voting procedure, song requirments and so on.
Probably the final will be in the first week of march, but could be also in the last week of february.

A-lister, Payner in the last years make very weak concerts, for example, our national final in 2012 was way better produced than the Payner concerts, and they are not interested in Eurovision currently. BNT made some key changes in the Eurovision team, also they brought some production know-how from EBU, so I hope our generall ESC outlook will be significantly improved in the forseeable future.
And when we talk about experience, we will particpate for 9th year in a row in ESC. Payner also don't have any major international success, so I really doubt that they could be better. But these are very theoretical debates. It's clear that the Bulgarian selection always will be produced by the national broadcaster.
Let's hope for better luck in the next two years as they are remarkable for Bulgaria. In 2013 there are 20 years since BNT was accepted as EBU member, and in 2014 we will particpate for 10th time in ESC :)

CypriotGirl
8th December 2012, 22:26
Bogomil xheart

A-lister
10th December 2012, 18:20
A-lister, Payner in the last years make very weak concerts, for example, our national final in 2012 was way better produced than the Payner concerts, and they are not interested in Eurovision currently. BNT made some key changes in the Eurovision team, also they brought some production know-how from EBU, so I hope our generall ESC outlook will be significantly improved in the forseeable future.
And when we talk about experience, we will particpate for 9th year in a row in ESC. Payner also don't have any major international success, so I really doubt that they could be better. But these are very theoretical debates. It's clear that the Bulgarian selection always will be produced by the national broadcaster.
Let's hope for better luck in the next two years as they are remarkable for Bulgaria. In 2013 there are 20 years since BNT was accepted as EBU member, and in 2014 we will particpate for 10th time in ESC :)

No offense or anything but Payner still produces better music shows than BNT. The Bulgarian NF 2012 was a step up from previous years, but it still was a bit mediocre.

This is not about international success, it's about finding a fitting entry that can compete in ESC and still represent the Bulgarian music scene. What I meant is that they have experience with producing 'finished packages' so to speak.

Anyways, I like BNT's approach in atleast trying to be better every year, hopefully it'll pay off in the end.

evilperson
11th December 2012, 03:14
No offense or anything but Payner still produces better music shows than BNT. The Bulgarian NF 2012 was a step up from previous years, but it still was a bit mediocre.

This is not about international success, it's about finding a fitting entry that can compete in ESC and still represent the Bulgarian music scene. What I meant is that they have experience with producing 'finished packages' so to speak.

Anyways, I like BNT's approach in atleast trying to be better every year, hopefully it'll pay off in the end.

Since when do ESC entries have to represent the music scene of the country they come from? Have you seen the UK entries from the last decade and even prior to that?

BNT picks what BNT wants. They don't ever have to send chalga if they don't want to.

A-lister
11th December 2012, 04:13
Since when do ESC entries have to represent the music scene of the country they come from? Have you seen the UK entries from the last decade and even prior to that?

BNT picks what BNT wants. They don't ever have to send chalga if they don't want to.

The whole concept about ESC is choosing entries representing your country, now what that means in reality can be argued back and forth though.

Well, with your logic then we can just close this forum once and for all if we can't have our own opinions and suggestions on what countries could choose for Eurovision? xshrug... sure it's up to BNT, but I'm just stating my opinion since this is a discussion forum afterall so I honestly don't get your comment.

evilperson
11th December 2012, 06:51
The whole concept about ESC is choosing entries representing your country, now what that means in reality can be argued back and forth though.

Well, with your logic then we can just close this forum once and for all if we can't have our own opinions and suggestions on what countries could choose for Eurovision? xshrug... sure it's up to BNT, but I'm just stating my opinion since this is a discussion forum afterall so I honestly don't get your comment.

No, the whole concept of ESC is a bunch of broadcasters sending in songs that form an entertainment program which they then broadcast to their respective nation. Eurovision never had anything to do with sending songs that represent a nation's music scene.

Broadcasters have to answer to their viewers/ratings. It's beneficial for them to pick an entry that will appeal to the public so they actually tune in to watch. Now that would be a reason for them to send chalga if it is indeed the most popular music in Bulgaria. But in the end, it's their choice. That's why some broadcasters hold NFs and some go for internal selections.

I'm just stating my opinion as well, did I say you can't offer up suggestions? Don't spin this into something it's not.

CypriotGirl
11th December 2012, 10:11
^Indeed. They would call it CultureVision if it was like that. Of course, I like it when a song that has traditional and folk elements from the country it represents, but this is not the main concept of ESC. There have to be presented many different music styles. If there were only folk songs, then it should be call it FolkVision. Europe and the countries that participate in ESC don't have only folk music. Throughout the more than 50 years in ESC, not many entries represented any country's culture. In the 80s, most entries sounded like 80s international pop music. The difference is that back then, there was a language rule, and entries couldn't send songs in English. If there wasn't that rule, then most of the songs would be in English back then as well.

If somebody watches ESC only for the songs that represent countries' cultures, then it his own concept for the contest, not the overall concept of the contest that should be applied for everyone. Some people watch it for the joke entries, then they should demand all the songs to be joke entries? Others watch it for the rock songs. Should they demand all the songs to be rock?

A-lister
11th December 2012, 14:38
No, the whole concept of ESC is a bunch of broadcasters sending in songs that form an entertainment program which they then broadcast to their respective nation. Eurovision never had anything to do with sending songs that represent a nation's music scene.

Broadcasters have to answer to their viewers/ratings. It's beneficial for them to pick an entry that will appeal to the public so they actually tune in to watch. Now that would be a reason for them to send chalga if it is indeed the most popular music in Bulgaria. But in the end, it's their choice. That's why some broadcasters hold NFs and some go for internal selections.

I'm just stating my opinion as well, did I say you can't offer up suggestions? Don't spin this into something it's not.

The concept IS broadcaster's choosing entries representing their countries, just like you said... what that means is not clear and there's no right or wrong here just totally subjective opinions of what it should be and interpretations of what that concept could mean.

Well, your answer came across as basically "BNT choose so no need to have an opinion on it", either I misunderstood your point or you express yourself in a way that could be misunderstood... but yeah it came across as if my opinion is useless since it's up to BNT in the end of the day, so that's why I reacted at your response. Now it's just probably all an misunderstanding so no need to argue about it, I just found it a bit arrogant since I think all of our opinions are equally worth and we are all here to discuss and share own own opinions.

A-lister
11th December 2012, 14:42
^Indeed. They would call it CultureVision if it was like that. Of course, I like it when a song that has traditional and folk elements from the country it represents, but this is not the main concept of ESC. There have to be presented many different music styles. If there were only folk songs, then it should be call it FolkVision. Europe and the countries that participate in ESC don't have only folk music. Throughout the more than 50 years in ESC, not many entries represented any country's culture. In the 80s, most entries sounded like 80s international pop music. The difference is that back then, there was a language rule, and entries couldn't send songs in English. If there wasn't that rule, then most of the songs would be in English back then as well.

If somebody watches ESC only for the songs that represent countries' cultures, then it his own concept for the contest, not the overall concept of the contest that should be applied for everyone. Some people watch it for the joke entries, then they should demand all the songs to be joke entries? Others watch it for the rock songs. Should they demand all the songs to be rock?

You know that this is all your own subjective interpretation right?

The concept is to choose songs representing the countries, that's all we can state as a fact... what these songs should in fact represent is highly subjective. We all have different opinions and definitions on what that concept supposed to mean in reality, so I'm not really sure what you and Evilperson are trying to do here since these are just your opinions, and no 'facts' at all.

As far as I'm concerned the original rules even stated that entries should represent the countries' music, and again what that truly means is not really certain and it just leaves us with our own definitions of it. Funny how both of you are trying to discredit my opinions as 'false' with just stating your own subjective interpretations on the concept. Maybe we can atleast accept that we all have a different views on this and that the whole concept opens up for wide interpretations?, now you may not agree with my opinions but they are no less 'false' than your own.

evilperson
11th December 2012, 20:00
The concept IS broadcaster's choosing entries representing their countries, just like you said... what that means is not clear and there's no right or wrong here just totally subjective opinions of what it should be and interpretations of what that concept could mean.

Well, your answer came across as basically "BNT choose so no need to have an opinion on it", either I misunderstood your point or you express yourself in a way that could be misunderstood... but yeah it came across as if my opinion is useless since it's up to BNT in the end of the day, so that's why I reacted at your response. Now it's just probably all an misunderstanding so no need to argue about it, I just found it a bit arrogant since I think all of our opinions are equally worth and we are all here to discuss and share own own opinions.

Broadcasters choose what they want; there is no other alternative explanation. If they want to have a NF where the public votes, that's their prerogative. That’s also why when a broadcaster withdraws from ESC, that country no longer has an entry. It’s a competition among broadcasters who have taken on the name of their respective country for the purposes of their program.

I wrote my post because you suggested that BNT send chalga and implied that they are biased in their choices. Well I’m telling you that they never have to send chalga and yeah, they probably are biased and will send whatever they want. It’s not BNT’s responsibility to send an entry that represents the music of Bulgaria. Azerbaijan makes my case as clear as possible. They purchase songs from a Swedish writing team and send them as their entry to the contest. None of those songs actually represent the Azeri music scene.

A-lister
11th December 2012, 20:44
^
Of course it's up to BNT I just wrote my own suggestion, I guess we're all here to discuss and share our point of views and opinions and not just write confirmations... the latter wouldn't be much of a discussion imo, everyone could do that but what's the point? xshrug

I dunno if we're lost in translation here or something but this discussion is sorta pointless, it's quite nonconstructive. I'd rather hear what you want then instead, because we both now that it's up to the broadcasters to decide and that chances of them caring about opinions on a forum are quite narrow... so that's kinda pointless to point out.

DanielLuis
11th December 2012, 21:10
^
Of course it's up to BNT I just wrote my own suggestion, I guess we're all here to discuss and share our point of views and opinions and not just write confirmations... the latter wouldn't be much of a discussion imo, everyone could do that but what's the point? xshrug

I dunno if we're lost in translation here or something but this discussion is sorta pointless, it's quite nonconstructive. I'd rather hear what you want then instead, because we both now that it's up to the broadcasters to decide and that chances of them caring about opinions on a forum are quite narrow... so that's kinda pointless to point out.

I don't think you're understanding what he's saying. He has the same opinion has you, and me: BNT does the ultimate choice, but we can discuss our preferences here. He hasnt said we cant!

BGN
11th December 2012, 21:11
Actually BNT has to decide only the rules for the national selection, and since 2005 there always was open selection (except 2010) and the televoters + the jury decide who will represent Bulgaria in Eurovision.

And since 2011 when was accepted the rule that you can vote only with 1 SMS from one phone for 1 song, the choice is far more objective.

evilperson
11th December 2012, 22:14
^
Of course it's up to BNT I just wrote my own suggestion, I guess we're all here to discuss and share our point of views and opinions and not just write confirmations... the latter wouldn't be much of a discussion imo, everyone could do that but what's the point? xshrug

I dunno if we're lost in translation here or something but this discussion is sorta pointless, it's quite nonconstructive. I'd rather hear what you want then instead, because we both now that it's up to the broadcasters to decide and that chances of them caring about opinions on a forum are quite narrow... so that's kinda pointless to point out.

The only person limiting the discussion here is you by constantly making statements like this. I never said people can't post their opinions here, that's something you drummed up out of nowhere because you're looking for some hidden meaning in my post that was never there. I gave you a response to your criticisms of BNT - am I not allowed to do that?


Actually BNT has to decide only the rules for the national selection, and since 2005 there always was open selection (except 2010) and the televoters + the jury decide who will represent Bulgaria in Eurovision.

And since 2011 when was accepted the rule that you can vote only with 1 SMS from one phone for 1 song, the choice is far more objective.

Exactly, BNT organizes that. They don't have to though. Tomorrow they can announce that there will be an internal selection for Bulgaria and that will be that.

A-lister
11th December 2012, 23:19
The only person limiting the discussion here is you by constantly making statements like this. I never said people can't post their opinions here, that's something you drummed up out of nowhere because you're looking for some hidden meaning in my post that was never there. I gave you a response to your criticisms of BNT - am I not allowed to do that?


As I said it was just probably a misunderstanding from the get-go because clearly we have different ways of expressing ourselves or understanding things :lol:

I already said that I felt like your initial comment came across "well who cares about your opinion anyways, it's not important because BNT chooses anyway"... but if that wasn't your point then I apologize for simply misunderstanding you.

Of course you're allowed, I just felt I wasn't allowed :lol:

evilperson
12th December 2012, 07:04
As I said it was just probably a misunderstanding from the get-go because clearly we have different ways of expressing ourselves or understanding things :lol:

I already said that I felt like your initial comment came across "well who cares about your opinion anyways, it's not important because BNT chooses anyway"... but if that wasn't your point then I apologize for simply misunderstanding you.

Of course you're allowed, I just felt I wasn't allowed :lol:

Well I didn't mean for that at all and I don't really think I said anything that really minimized your opinion. I just offered a reply to your criticisms.

A-lister
12th December 2012, 14:22
Well I didn't mean for that at all and I don't really think I said anything that really minimized your opinion. I just offered a reply to your criticisms.

That's ok, as I said it was just probably a misunderstanding afterall ;)

BGN
14th December 2012, 19:50
??? ? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?? "?????????" - Novini.bg (http://www.novini.bg/news/103888-%D0%B1%D0%BD%D1%82-%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D1%8A%D1%82-%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D1%81%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D1%82-%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D 1%8F.html)

handeyener
14th December 2012, 20:47
??? ? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ?? "?????????" - Novini.bg (http://www.novini.bg/news/103888-%D0%B1%D0%BD%D1%82-%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BF%D1%8A%D1%82-%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D1%81%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B6%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D1%82-%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B8%D 1%8F.html)

No way, also ::bg is in danger of not participating????

BGN
14th December 2012, 20:52
This is not based on BNT statement, but on "internal sources", so nothing official.

handeyener
14th December 2012, 20:54
This is not based on BNT statement, but on "internal sources", so nothing official.

Tomorrow we will find out, hope BNT will be in at the contest now that there will be more chances for other countries to take the place of ::tr and ::ba at the final.

daniels1000
14th December 2012, 21:25
Noooo! :( This is becoming unbelieveable :?

Ilythia
14th December 2012, 23:58
So what happened? When I finally decided to join the forum, my country Bulgaria is considering withdrawal ...

Jim
15th December 2012, 00:03
So what happened? When I finally decided to join the forum, my country Bulgaria is considering withdrawal ...

Ilythia, your nickname is a Greek word!

Ilythia
15th December 2012, 00:14
Ilythia, your nickname is a Greek word!
It's not only a nickname, it's also my real name. ;) I know Eileithyia was the goddess of childbirth, but does the word exist in the modern Greek language as well?

Jim
15th December 2012, 00:19
It's not only a nickname, it's also my real name. ;) I know Eileithyia was the goddess of childbirth, but does the word exist in the modern Greek language as well?

Ilythia, in Greek language means idiot, stupid! :?

Matt
15th December 2012, 00:22
So what happened? When I finally decided to join the forum, my country Bulgaria is considering withdrawal ...

Glad you joined, I'm very confident that Bulgaria will be in Malmo, we're talking online rumors and with Turkey and Bosnia withdrawing people are on the edge of things.

Scooby
15th December 2012, 00:27
Just a great news, I mean that someone kill me please

Ilythia
15th December 2012, 00:34
Ilythia, in Greek language means idiot, stupid! :?
Really?! I've never heard this before, I've been to Greece many times and people never laughed when I introduced myself. But in Bulgaria I've always been "the girl with the strange name" ...

CypriotGirl
16th December 2012, 00:36
Ilythia, in Greek language means idiot, stupid! :?

^This! Ilithia in Bulgarian is глупава! :o xrofl2

BGN
18th December 2012, 11:37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDRDvnfmOMg

BGN
18th December 2012, 11:53
And the new song of our representative in 2012 :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AWF2AeWMsWI

BGN
21st December 2012, 17:38
Bulgarian National Television will reveal the selection format in the first days of January.
It's rumoured that this time there will be internal selection with foreign team making the song.

dizzydjc
21st December 2012, 19:12
I'm rooting for Bulgaria next year, please don't let me down!

A-lister
24th December 2012, 16:57
Bulgarian National Television will reveal the selection format in the first days of January.
It's rumoured that this time there will be internal selection with foreign team making the song.

Foreign team!? xgaah

I hope foreign doesn't mean Swedish though, I could be ok with producers that are already heavily involved in the Bulgarian music scene like Costi Ionita (Romania) or Flori Mumajesi (Albania), because atleast it would still represent the contemporary Bulgarian music scene. If they just hire a random Swedish team though I'd be very disappointed.

However, internal selection might be the best solution though, but on the other hand it contradicts the whole idea that the national selection in 2012 was such a "success" for BNT.

BGN
24th December 2012, 17:04
BNT began to promote in these days very hard Raffi Boghossian in many of their programmes - this they do usually for Eurovision and Eurovision related artists.
Maybe big news coming very soon?

A-lister
24th December 2012, 19:09
BNT began to promote in these days very hard Raffi Boghossian in many of their programmes - this they do usually for Eurovision and Eurovision related artists.
Maybe big news coming very soon?

Who is that?

BGN
24th December 2012, 19:25
^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39-ykuUHFJM

A-lister
24th December 2012, 19:31
^
Awful :?

Really BNT??? I really hope it's not him.

BGN
24th December 2012, 19:40
I don't know, but he also will be guest star of the New year eve concert, which BNT organise every year, but now they promote him very agressive in their programmes, which they don't do with the other participants in this concert.As I said they do this usually when it comes for Eurovision and Eurovision artists.
And Raffi himself stated that his new song will be released in January, and then BNT will announce the plans for Eurovision. So there definately is something going on...I can't believe that this is some random act by BNT just to start promoting him for nothing. On the other hand Raffi now is on the wave of his popularity and will be very appreciated choice by the people, which makes him very attractive choice for BNT.
Very soon all the mystery will be revealed, so we have to wait week ot two.
But if it's really Raffi, the song will be swedish for sure...

A-lister
24th December 2012, 19:41
I don't know, but he also will be guest star of the New year eve concert, which BNT organise every year, but now they promote him very agressive in their programmes, which they don't do with the other participants in this concert.As I said they do this usually when it comes for Eurovision and Eurovision artists.
And Raffi himself stated that his new song will be released in January, and then BNT will announce the plans for Eurovision. So there definately is something going on...I can't believe that this is some random act by BNT to start promoting him.
Very soon all the mystery will be revealed, so we have to wait week ot two.
But if it's really Raffi, the song will be swedish for sure...

But he's awful? What did such an awful artist do to deserve any promotion what-so-ever? Did he win some talent show?

I really wish for Bulgaria to fair well, but he almost comes across as a joke act imo.

BGN
24th December 2012, 19:44
He is the winner of X-factor Bulgaria and now he is on the wave of his popularity and will be very appreciated choice by the people, which makes him very attractive and logical choice for BNT.
On they other hand they seem to be very nervous with the fact that Bulgaria is doing so bad in the past 5 years, so they are desparate enough to go with swedish song and cute young boy formula.

A-lister
24th December 2012, 19:46
He is the winner of X-factor Bulgaria and now he is on the wave of his popularity and will be very appreciated choice by the people, which makes him very attractive and logical choice for BNT.

Ok so there's the explanation.

I hope they'd choose someone else, based on that clip he comes across as a joke artist imo. You can do so much better.

evilperson
24th December 2012, 19:46
But he's awful? What did such an awful artist do to deserve any promotion what-so-ever? Did he win some talent show?

I really wish for Bulgaria to fair well, but he almost comes across as a joke act imo.

Hmm, awful performers with a Swedish song. Suddenly I'm getting flashbacks to 2011. :lol:

BGN
24th December 2012, 19:48
He sings very well live and it's kind of atractive and nice person and maybe that's why he is very popular now here.

from 02:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxYaroMI7UA

Although we will have to wait for official confirmation, it's strange this activity regarding Raffi...

A-lister
25th December 2012, 00:18
^
Gosh, I really cross my fingers Bulgaria won't choose him. I'm sorry but he'd be a bad choice in my opinion.

BGN
25th December 2012, 00:38
Honestly, I can't get why you think he is THAT awful. I mean, he is young artist with potential, he can sing very well live and if they make good song I can't see any problem with him. Many other countries do very well with that formula.
And when he is even more popular now than Sofi was last year, I can see eventually good move if this confirms officially in the next few days.

A-lister
25th December 2012, 01:29
Honestly, I can't get why you think he is THAT awful. I mean, he is young artist with potential, he can sing very well live and if they make good song I can't see any problem with him. Many other countries do very well with that formula.
And when he is even more popular now than Sofi was last year, I can see eventually good move if this confirms officially in the next few days.

He comes across as a joke act actually, his singing voice is nothing special either.

I think Bulgaria deserve a better act, whether he is popular in Bulgaria or not won't help in ESC though. There are some Bulgarian acts whose names are atleast partly known in neighbor countries and region, but all of those are established chalga acts and BNT is obviously very stubborn on not choosing any of them.

Anyways it's Bulgaria's prerogative, everyone have different taste so I'm just speaking on behalf of my own taste of course.

In the end of the day it depends on what type of song they'd give him of course, perhaps I'll be happily surprised.

handeyener
25th December 2012, 06:17
I say no to Raffi. If Miro did badly when he was selected internally why go for an X factor participant that just started to get popular???. Even Bogomil is better looking (if they choose to go for the pretty boy formula). It will be a bad choice of BNT. If their wish is to hire a swedish team why not better consider Maria Ilieva???. I prefer her 10000 more than the idol stars.
Costi Ionita could be a much better choice for composer. Afterall Mandinga did good this year and he is more involved on ::bg musical scene.

If Raffi´s song is good perhaps i can change my mind.

BGN
25th December 2012, 10:28
He's not joke, be sure. Bogomil is not eligible to participate, because he is 15 years old and won't have 16 until the show in may. Maria Ilieva refuse to participate from years. She was even head of delegation in 2011 and host then, but never wanted to be on the stage...

A-lister
25th December 2012, 13:29
He's not joke, be sure. Bogomil is not eligible to participate, because he is 15 years old and won't have 16 until the show in may. Maria Ilieva refuse to participate from years. She was even head of delegation in 2011 and host then, but never wanted to be on the stage...

I said he comes across as a joke act, not that he is a joke. The song of his I can't take serious for instance, and his stage pretense seems more focused on "fun" rather than serious.

Gosh are these the only names BNT can pick from? I still cross fingers for Desislava though, there might be a chance considering she was part of the selection 2012. Neli Petkova could be another good name. Isn't Neli Petkova from another BNT show or? I totally understand why BNT want to promote their own acts, but their own acts doesn't live up to international standard or professionalism imo.

BGN
25th December 2012, 14:10
Actually the list with the BNT proteges is very, very long as this broadcasting company (including also BNR) is the biggest music producer in the whole history of Bulgarian music industry from the begining until nowadays. There are many, many names, which are related with them and Raffi wasn't one of them, but it seems that they want to include some fresh blood :D

A-lister
25th December 2012, 14:13
Actually the list with the BNT proteges is very, very long as this broadcasting company (including also BNR) is the biggest music producer in the whole history of Bulgarian music industry from the begining until nowadays. There are many, many names, which are related with them and Raffi wasn't one of them, but it seems that they want to include some fresh blood :D

Yeah I know this company, but does it even exist any longer?

Well, if Raffi is the "best" they can come up with then I'm highly disappointed.

BGN
25th December 2012, 14:21
It doesn't exist, but BNR and BNT continue to do some of these functions as music producers even today. For example the 2007 Bulgarian entry was developed in whole by BNT music team - from finding nobody known artists like Elitsa and Stoyan then to making the entry itself.
Many of the songs in Bulgarian selection in the past were developed by BNT themselves and almost all of the artists involved in these projects were fresh names in the Bulgarian music. Elitsa and Stoyan (Water), Mariana Popova (Let me cry and Crazy), S-lavina (Higher), Poli Genova (One lifetime is not enough), Dessy Dobreva (Strong) and some famous artists like Georgi Hristov (Sogno), Grafa (Vrag), Karizma (Fool for you) are all artists and songs, produced by BNT for Eurovision in the past.
Some of the songs were composed by swedish-bulgarian team - Thomas Thornholm, Danny Atlerund and Petar Panov.

Although this tradition was abandoned by them in 2011 and 2012.

A-lister
25th December 2012, 14:38
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It was for the better that tradition got abandoned. Elitsa & Stoyan were great, but the others not.

CypriotGirl
25th December 2012, 19:55
I don't get what's awful with Raffi. Just because you saw a song of him and didn't like it, doesn't mean he's awful. And I really like his song 4321, I'd like to see something else from Bulgaria if they want to send something with international impact.

A-lister
26th December 2012, 00:33
I don't get what's awful with Raffi. Just because you saw a song of him and didn't like it, doesn't mean he's awful. And I really like his song 4321, I'd like to see something else from Bulgaria if they want to send something with international impact.

Taste differs...

I'd like something Bulgarian, the "international impact" is boring to death and overrated... it doesn't help as much as some countries tend to think

Bulgaria is a good example, their only time with a good position was with a heavily ethnic and different track.

CypriotGirl
26th December 2012, 03:25
^Well, I didn't like any Bulgarian entry, the only decent one was in 2011, all the rest were IMO awful. I don't care if the song will be a modern one without anything folk, or a pop folk song, I only care if the song will be good. I really dislike chalga music with some rare exceptions, and I also dislike the attempt of Bulgarian singers to sound international. The only recent songs I heared from Bulgaria and liked them are "Spri" of Bogomil, "4321" of Raffi and "Svrzani" & "Work of Art" of Vessy. xshrug

A-lister
26th December 2012, 04:01
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Well, apparently our taste are very different then. I dislike those types you mentioned, somehow it comes across as very wannabe and desperate which is what I also feel with Raffi (hence why I call him a "joke" act). In some countries it just doesn't work to play American and Bulgaria happens to be one of those.

I liked 2011 entry though, it deserved a much better outcome. 2012 also deserved a better outcome.

As a matter of fact Bulgaria have been pretty underrated in some attempts, I also think 2008 deserved a better outcome.

Bulgaria is one of those countries I'm rooting for because they've been quite unlucky even when they did send some pretty decent stuff. Also, I know they have much more to give so seeing names as Raffi when they could do so much better it's a bit sad.

I'm still rooting for Neli Petkova or Desislava, I think they have an all around appeal and doesn't come across as desperately copying USA or west but still able to cross-over to an international sound with good results.

BGN
11th January 2013, 18:49
Bulgarian National Television will reveal exciting news about our entry in few days time.

A-lister
13th January 2013, 18:06
Bulgarian National Television will reveal exciting news about our entry in few days time.

Hmm... curious...

BGN
13th January 2013, 22:53
There are many rumours, circulating now:

1. Raffi Boghossian
2. Deep Zone
3. Ruth Koleva
4. Angel & Moisey
5. Elitsa and Stoyan

But as we know BNT, they will make totally unexpected choice :D

A-lister
14th January 2013, 00:56
There are many rumours, circulating now:

1. Raffi Boghossian
2. Deep Zone
3. Ruth Koleva
4. Angel & Moisey
5. Elitsa and Stoyan

But as we know BNT, they will make totally unexpected choice :D

Never heard of Ruth Koleva before, but out of these only a Elitsa & Stoyan comeback sound interesting enough.

BGN
14th January 2013, 07:36
Elitsa and Stoyan are always an option. Only Deep Zone has expressed official interest towards participating in Eurovision again.

Ilythia
14th January 2013, 21:14
The latest rumor circulating here is that BNT asked EBU if an exception can be made for the 15-year-old singer Divna. She will turn 16 on the 19th of May, while according to the official rules all entrants must be at least 16 on the day of their semi-final (14th or 16th of May), less than a week earlier. The answer is still unknown.

A-lister
15th January 2013, 00:04
The latest rumor circulating here is that BNT asked EBU if an exception can be made for the 15-year-old singer Divna. She will turn 16 on the 19th of May, while according to the official rules all entrants must be at least 16 on the day of their semi-final (14th or 16th of May), less than a week earlier. The answer is still unknown.

Divna could be good, I like her debut? song... but if she turns 16 AFTER then it's breaking the rules isn't it?

stour
15th January 2013, 10:07
The latest rumor circulating here is that BNT asked EBU if an exception can be made for the 15-year-old singer Divna. She will turn 16 on the 19th of May, while according to the official rules all entrants must be at least 16 on the day of their semi-final (14th or 16th of May), less than a week earlier. The answer is still unknown.

I expect a negative answer from EBU. This girl can wait a year. No need to make an rule exception: Bulgaria has a lot of singers.

handeyener
15th January 2013, 21:52
Concerning the rumors:

1. Raffi Boghossian (i havent liked him since x factor, dont know why but he makes me laugh)
2. Deep Zone (Dj take me away was also one of my favorite ::bg entries, but live sounded out of place (without mentioning the outfits) and i believe this costed em the ticket to the finals, i truly dont know if the new singer sounds good live. But they wont be a good choice this year because it will be full of Euphoria rip off and uptempo entries in general)
3. Ruth Koleva (she makes interesting music, but it is not suited for ESC. Maybe something in the style of her song Moving Forward but more uptempo or perhaps lik Black Magic Woman, but she has 0% chances to be in the final (like Kaffe in 2005).
4. Angel & Moisey (rap never does well in ESC, so they will totally flop even though they make an entertaining show)
5. Elitsa and Stoyan (im ok with their comeback, after all it was Bulgaria´s best result with em and also my favorite entry)

And about Divna i like her, but is not her time to go, maybe in a couple of years.

There are much better performers in case BNT goes internal, what matters more is the song. And im firm in my opinion that none of the pop artists will take ::bg to the final unless they make a good choice with the song.

A-lister
15th January 2013, 21:58
^
Sort of agree with all ;)