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rajo
26th February 2012, 01:07
I have made a short analysis of Austrian votes (televotes) since 1997.

So, here are the (not very surprising) results:

1. Serbia 92,5% of all Austrian votes
(2. Aserbaijan 80%)
3. Bosnia & Hercegovina 77,5%
(4. Bulgaria 60%)
5. Turkey 57,5%
6. Germany 54,4%
7. Croatia 51,3%
(8. Armenia 50%)
9. Poland 42,5%
10. Albania 40%

Countries in brakes imply that Austria met them only once so far, so votes don't necessarily allocate on a certain pattern. With Aserbaijan, one could suggest it was the flavour of Turkish immigrants when Turkey failed to qualify (2011). Bulgaria and Armenia were met in 2007, but never before or after.

All the other countries in this list can moreorless rely on Austrian votes.

An explanation might be found in the aggregation of the Austrian population:

According to census information published by Statistik Austria for 2001 there were a total of 710,926 foreign nationals living in Austria. Of these, the largest by far are 283,334 foreign nationals from the former Yugoslavia (of whom 135,376 speak Serbian; 105,487 Croatian; 31.551 Bosnian).
The next largest population of linguistic and ethnic groups are the 124,392 who speak German as their mother tongue even though they hail from outside of Austria (mainly immigrants from Germany, some from Switzerland and South Tyrol, Italy); 123,417 who speak Turkish; 25,155 English; 24,446 Albanian; 17,899 Polish; 14,699 Hungarian; 12,216 Romanian; 7,982 Arabic; 6,891 Slovak; 6,707 Czech; 5,916 Persian; 5,677 Italian; 5,466 Russian; 5,213 French; 4,938 Chinese; 4,264 Spanish; 3,503 Bulgarian. The populations of the rest fall off sharply below 3,000. Between 200,000 and 300,000 ethnic Turks (including minority of Turkish Kurds) currently live in Austria. They are the largest single immigrant group in Austria, closely followed by the Serbs.


So it's easy to see Austrian televotes are very biased.

In the years of winning Ukraine and Greece, Austria contributed 4 points respectively. The higher marks were allocated to the above mentioned.

On the other hand, the very successful countries of Greece, Ukraine, Sweden etc. got ridiculously low marks from Austria.

Here is a map I created based on the points given between 1997 and 2011.

http://www.bilder-space.de/show_img.php?img=005022-1330211184.gif&size=original

The greener and the bluer the countries are, the more points they get.

Yellow ones are somewhere in the middle. Apricot and orange ones hardly ever received points, and red ones, never got points in the history of Austrian televoting, including Spain, Portugal, France and Finland.

The more westwards you go, the less likely you see points from Austria.

Yamarus
26th February 2012, 19:15
I think this may be linked to the ESC's popularity in Austria. I have no evidence to back this up, but I get the feeling that diaspora voters weighed a lot less than usually in 2011, when the Contest was in Düsseldorf and enjoyed great media coverage in German-speaking countries. I wasn't surprised Germany gave its 12 points to Austria that year, considering ESC must've been watched by many more Germans than is usually the case.

sannerz
26th February 2012, 19:52
I think this may be linked to the ESC's popularity in Austria. I have no evidence to back this up, but I get the feeling that diaspora voters weighed a lot less than usually in 2011, when the Contest was in Düsseldorf and enjoyed great media coverage in German-speaking countries. I wasn't surprised Germany gave its 12 points to Austria that year, considering ESC must've been watched by many more Germans than is usually the case.

But Bosnia still got a 12 from Austria.
Diaspora voting is strong for the Balkans in both Austria and Switzerland. :p

rajo
26th February 2012, 20:14
But Bosnia still got a 12 from Austria.
Diaspora voting is strong for the Balkans in both Austria and Switzerland. :p

Bosnia 12
Germany 10
Azerbaijan 8 (substituting Turkey)
Serbia 7

Looks still very biased to me, although I have to say that Germany doesn't automatically receive high points - look at 2002, 2003 and 2005. So a German entry has to be popular and cannot just rely on being from Germany.

I think that below the Top 4 of Austrian votes, you can find the unbiased flavour:

2011:
Italy
Moldova
Ireland

Or look at the Semifinal results:

Sweden got the 10!
Slovenia 8
Denmark 7

Where did these votes go in the final?


2007:

Top 3 as usual:
1. Serbia
2. Turkey
3. Bosnia & H.
then
4. Germany
and then come the unbiased votes for:
5. Bulgaria
6. Armenia
7. Ukraine

And the 2007 semi votes allocated as follows:

1. Serbia
2. Turkey
3. Hungary (General remark: I think Hungary was robbed in 2007)
4. Croatia (no surprise)
5. Bulgaria
Every single Ex-YU country was awarded points in the 2007 SF by Austria.
No points were allocated to an ESC "oldtimer" (I have to admit, Western European countries did a poor job in 2007)


And 2005, the votes of Austria had nothing to do with the final results, look at this:
FINAL
12 Serbia & Montenegro
10 Bosnia & H.
8 Croatia
7 Turkey

What a bizarre voting, commented BBC.

And the 2005 SF votes:
12 Croatia
the rest of the votes were rather unbiased, since there was no Turkey, Bosnia or Serbia to be rewarded in the Semis. FYROM got some pity-points.


And this is what disgusts me as an Austrian spectator of the Eurovision year by year. Our biased voting!
I think we did Eurovision a big favour by withdrawing for a couple of years, so EBU could reconsider and change their rules. We have 2 semis now, and juries. That's quite an improvement.

rajo
26th February 2012, 20:14
**double post**

Fluke
26th February 2012, 21:15
I think one doesn't need to get into deep analysis to figure that the ESC isn't very popular in Austria :D

Yamarus
28th February 2012, 11:07
Belgium's top vote are also invariably to Armenia, Greece or Turkey. Last year was again an exception, although I just can't fathom how we gave 12p to France, ugh!