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AlekS
24th January 2012, 19:31
Semi #1
::me Montenegro
::is Iceland
::ro Romania
::al Albania
::be Belgium
::lv Latvia
::ch Switzerland
::fi Finland
::gr Greece


::md Moldova
::cy Cyprus
::at Austria
::dk Denmark
::ru Russia
::sm San Marino
::il Israel
::ie Ireland
::hu Hungary

(Italy, Azerbaijan, Spain)


***


Semi #2
::rs Serbia
::nl The Netherlands
::pt Portugal
::mk FYR Macedonia
::by Belarus
::mt Malta
::ua Ukraine
::am Armenia
::bg Bulgaria


::se Sweden
::ge Georgia
::sl Slovenia
::ee Estonia
::tr Turkey
::sk Slovakia
::hr Croatia
::no Norway
::lt Lithuania
::ba Bosnia & Herzegovina

(The UK, France, Germany)

eurovision.tv and ITV will broadcast it live.

The venue: Buta Palace
Time: 17:00 (CET)

Webcast #1 ----> http://www.eurovision.tv/esctv/
Webcast #2 ----> http://vefire.ru/channel/IctimaiTV/
(direct) ----> mms://85.132.78.130:12345



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ParadiseES
24th January 2012, 20:15
Do we know the pots?

Sim
24th January 2012, 20:23
noooooooo I'll miss it:-(

Matt
24th January 2012, 20:34
I don't think they have announced the pots yet though I would think they would be almost identical to the 2011 pots (with the exception of Montenegro)

CPV4931
24th January 2012, 20:38
First time, that I can watch it live :-)

Sahistul
24th January 2012, 20:43
Is this show tomorrow?

AlekS
24th January 2012, 20:51
In the TV guide it also says 12:20... I have no idea if it's special show or not so tune in at 09:20CET in the morning. Just in case :)


Is this show tomorrow?
Yes.

Sim
24th January 2012, 20:52
In the TV guide it also says 12:20... I have no idea if it's special show or not so tune in at 09:20CET in the morning. Just in case :)


Yes.

ooh noo even worse, i have an exam then:P

Sim
24th January 2012, 20:53
Well eurovision.tv says the following on their webtv

The broadcast hasn't started yet. Please come back or reload the page shortly before January 25 2012 at 17:00.

AlekS
24th January 2012, 20:54
^ nevermind, it's not connected ))) 17:00 is the exact date.

Sim
24th January 2012, 20:55
^ so they are not showing it live @ eurovision.tv?

CPV4931
24th January 2012, 20:57
"Of course, you can see it all live on Eurovision.tv! The show starts tomorrow at 17:00 CET." says eurovision.tv, so I´m quite sure, that it will be on 17:00.

AlekS
24th January 2012, 20:58
^ so they are not showing it live @ eurovision.tv?
Have you seen the 1st post? They are showing it live. The morning show is most def not connected with the draw.
ESC official site won't broadcast if it's not live.

Sim
24th January 2012, 21:00
Have you seen the 1st post? They are showing it live. The morning show is most def not connected with the draw.

Ow ok, i just misunderstood your last post:P

Charly
24th January 2012, 21:01
Am missing it got a football leage match at Manhester College tommorow :L

Galandar
24th January 2012, 21:04
Baku becomes Host City with a huge show

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/ganjaganja/SSC 2011-2012/Buta_Palace.jpg


Baku, Azerbaijan - Tomorrow, Baku will become officially the Host City of the 2012 Eurovision Song Contest, being the first exciting event to take place in the city. It'll be followed by the Semi-Final Allocation Draw as well as the presentation of this year's theme art.

The events of tomorrow will start with the traditional Host City Insignia Exchange where the Mayor of Düsseldorf will hand over a symbolic key to the Mayor of Baku. Thus, it'll be now Baku's turn to host Europe's favourite TV show. This will be followed by a draw which will determine in which Semi-Final this year's 37 Semi-Finalists will compete in as well as where will France, the UK, Spain, Italy, Germany and Azerbaijan vote in. And if that's not enough of excitement, then the Host Broadcaster Ictimai TV will also present the theme art for this year's contest. All of that will be followed by a show featuring performances by Ruslana, Safura, Aysel, Lena, Alexander Rybak and of course, Ell/Nikki!

The event will also be aired live by the Host Broadcasters Ictimai TV as well as a number of national broadcasters all over Europe.

What about the venue?

On Wednesday morning, the Reference Group will gather in Baku for a two-day meeting, to discuss a variety of topics in the lead up to the 2012 Eurovision Song Contest. The agenda shows concrete topics, of which the most exciting one is a final decision on the venue for the upcoming contest.

Meanwhile, press and fans are eager to learn more about accreditation, accommodation in Baku, visa arrangement and of course tickets for the shows. We expect more information on all of these topics after the Reference Group meeting, so stay with Eurovision.tv for the days to come!

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=44923&_t=baku_becomes_host_city_with_a_huge_show

AlekS
24th January 2012, 21:09
^ woah @ guests :D

Ow ok, i just misunderstood your last post:P
Hope you can deal with the exams until 17:00 :P xkiss

vampire67
24th January 2012, 21:23
Hi Friends,

I got from a friend this capture from the preparations for the semi-final draws from Ictimai TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKMD1HB4vzc

I wonder if somebody could help translating a bit whats being talked about.
I'm especially interesting about parts refering to Lena (I'm from her fan club)

Thanks in advance if somebody might be able to help.

Galandar
24th January 2012, 21:48
Vampire67, in the news they are speaking about the organisation of tomorrow's event. They talked about some 3D mapping, kind of an exciting format in which they will broadcast it. They also talked about guest singers including Alexander Rybak and Lena, a good number of journalists from national broadcasters from several European countries and Euronews. Then they told that this is the very first time there is a great show for the allocation draw followed by presentation of the logo, slogan and the website of ESC 2012. Representatives of EBU also talked about their satisfaction on preparation of ESC 2012 and some very interesting ideas to be realised for ESC 2012 which they are going to reveal soon. Well, that is all :)

ParadiseES
24th January 2012, 22:00
NF in exams period, ESC final in exams period..... Damn EBU! :evil:

MyHeartIsYours
24th January 2012, 22:20
I look forward to seeing this ;)

94ayd
24th January 2012, 22:41
I'll have to rush home from school if I wanna watch it live but I'll probably prefer hanging out with some of my classmates. :P

Galandar
24th January 2012, 23:36
Baku 2012 kicks off with spectacular live show

_6GDkoEZkdo#!

Eurovision.tv

Simon87
25th January 2012, 00:29
Cant wait :D

aletem
25th January 2012, 10:40
It would be nice for Macedonia to get Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia and from the last pot Switzerland. Just saying! :D

Simon87
25th January 2012, 12:58
That would be awesome for all ex yu :lol:

croboy82
25th January 2012, 13:07
Wow, they are already putting so much into this, can't wait for the real eurovision show then :D

Excited bout the Motto!

eerik
25th January 2012, 16:57
It's live. The show should start in a few minutes.

Grinch
25th January 2012, 17:04
It started!

The flame-flower is the logo, right? I love it!

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 17:10
I hope they stick to the draw and it's not gonna be so long...

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 17:12
Eurovision 2012 theme is LIGHT YOUR FIRE

Land of fire, light your fire.... I like it!

deese
25th January 2012, 17:13
that flower looks like Hari bulbul which grows only in Azerbaijan.

croboy82
25th January 2012, 17:16
Love the new logo and theme :)

CPV4931
25th January 2012, 17:18
Dirk Elbers with his German accent ^^

Charly
25th January 2012, 17:19
Woo i made it we won Machester :)

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:20
Look how small the Mayor of Baku is :lol:

deese
25th January 2012, 17:22
I wonder when our Mayor stops talking. they shouldn't have let him start talking at all.

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 17:23
ok come on!

amateur
25th January 2012, 17:23
Finally someone with decent English.

RomanFromRussia
25th January 2012, 17:23
I hope Russia will participate in 2nd semi:)

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:24
I wonder when our Mayor stops talking. they shouldn't have let him start talking at all.
He keeps repeating himself - must be getting hold of the key, it's sent him crazy :lol:

Grinch
25th January 2012, 17:25
Finally!


VinylMono RT @cascanuit: Why isn't the translator hosting? #eurovision

I agree.

croboy82
25th January 2012, 17:25
I think this show will last 3 hours :D

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:27
Tis' not the same without Svante! :(

Interrail
25th January 2012, 17:30
I LOVE the logo (that flower), it's beautiful. And the theme 'light your fire' (if that is??), I think it could be better, smth more original. But OK.
Draw....c'mon!

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:32
I hope the United Kingdom is voting in Ireland's SemiFinal!! xcrossed

deese
25th January 2012, 17:34
I wanna kill that male host. who the hell is he?

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 17:35
Italy, Azerbaijan and Spain will vote in Semi 1
Germany, UK and France will vote in Semi 2

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:35
France, Germany and United Kingdom all voting together - I hope Ireland is in SF2 so I can vote for Jedward (hopefully!) :D

Grinch
25th January 2012, 17:35
Why did Germany want to vote in Semi 2?

lucian-crusher
25th January 2012, 17:37
OMG! Semifinal 1 would be perfect for ::ro! :D

QwaarJet
25th January 2012, 17:37
hat male host is awful.

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 17:37
Semifinal 2 will be the one with one more country

CPV4931
25th January 2012, 17:39
OMG! Semifinal 1 would be perfect for ::ro! :D

as you wanted ^^

Quent91
25th January 2012, 17:41
France, Germany and United Kingdom all voting together (...) in SF2

so Turkey would be very happy to be in the 2nd SF, I guess :)

amateur
25th January 2012, 17:41
Turkey to Semi2 please! :D

croboy82
25th January 2012, 17:41
BTW why are they not drawing the FINAL order too? seems a bit pointless to split semifinals into two now and then another draw will held in a few weeks/months........they could do it right NOW?!

QwaarJet
25th January 2012, 17:42
Damn, so if Greta and Jonsi win for Iceland, I won't be able to vote for them.

lucian-crusher
25th January 2012, 17:43
as you wanted ^^

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! xfruit

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:44
I love those poses that woman does as she's opening Red or Green :lol:

Grinch
25th January 2012, 17:46
Yes! :D

croboy82
25th January 2012, 17:46
^^yes she is funny, that akward look :o :D

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:47
so Turkey would be very happy to be in the 2nd SF, I guess :)
Yeh and they got it! :D

Im happy to have Malta and Sweden, I just hope that Lithuania goes to SF1 and Ireland SF2!!

QwaarJet
25th January 2012, 17:48
Switzerland is SF1 as well. Damnit!

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:49
Aww gutted!! :(

Grinch
25th January 2012, 17:49
^^yes she is funny, that akward look :o :D

Guess she's trying to look sexy, I don't know :p

croboy82
25th January 2012, 17:49
yessssssss croatia 2nd semi, 2nd half :D (plus slovenia and serbia in the same hehe)

QwaarJet
25th January 2012, 17:50
Aww gutted!! :(

No Jedward for you sir!

AlekS
25th January 2012, 17:51
lulz @ being in the 2nd semi again :lol:

CPV4931
25th January 2012, 17:54
San Marino in the second half of first semi with Italy to vote for them... their chances were already smaller

QwaarJet
25th January 2012, 17:55
These couple of plastic idiots aren't actually hosting the contest are they?

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:56
No Jedward for you sir!
I know cant believe it! :(

It's far from the best draw ever but Im happy with Malta, Sweden and Ukraine! :D

eerik
25th January 2012, 17:57
It's horrible, Estonia will be without Finland and Latvia. That means we lost at least 20 points. :(

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 17:57
These couple of plastic idiots aren't actually hosting the contest are they?
Just gunna say the same, I hope not! And I cant stand all this self-promoting bull about East meets West, etc!

I have been impressed though, apart from the hosts and the Mayor :lol:. Feel in the mood for Eurovision now :D

Israeliboy
25th January 2012, 17:58
I'm happy Israel in the first semi final on the second half :) GREAT!

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 17:59
SEMI 1

First half: Montenegro, Iceland, Romania, Albania, Belgium, Latvia, Switzerland, Finland, Greece.
Second half: Moldova, Cyprus, Austria, Denmark, Russia, San Marino, Israel, Ireland, Hungary.
Voting: Italy, Azerbaijan, Spain.


SEMI 2

First half: Serbia, Netherlands, Portugal, FYR Macedonia, Belarus, Malta, Ukraine, Armenia, Bulgaria.
Second half: Sweden, Georgia, Slovenia, Estonia, Turkey, Slovakia, Croatia, Norway, Lithuania, Bosnia & Herzegovina
Voting: ​Germany, United Kingdom, France

Grinch
25th January 2012, 18:00
First Semi-Final, Tuesday 22nd of May (18 countries):

First half

Montenegro
Iceland
Romania
Albania
Belgium
Latvia
Switzerland
Finland
Greece

Second half

Moldova
Cyprus
Austria
Denmark
Russia
San Marino
Israel
Ireland
Hungary

Second Semi-Final, Thursday 24th of May (19 countries):

First half

Serbia
The Netherlands
Portugal
FYR Macedonia
Belarus
Malta
Ukraine
Armenia
Bulgaria

Second half

Sweden
Georgia
Slovenia
Estonia
Turkey
Slovakia
Croatia
Norway
Lithuania
Bosnia & Herzegovina

___

Italy (first Semi-Final)
United Kingdom (second Semi-Final)
Azerbaijan (first Semi-Final)
France (second Semi-Final)
Spain (first Semi-Final)
Germany (second Semi-Final)

escandesc
25th January 2012, 18:01
I am so happy about Turkey's being in the second semi-final!!! :D

A-lister
25th January 2012, 18:01
Wow, Sweden seems pretty screwed this year.

In semi 2 (Sweden's semi) we have Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Slovenia, Ukraine and France, UK & Germany voting.

Turkey (unlike last year) will have almost all their "helpers" in this year (France, UK, Germany, Bulgaria, Sweden, Netherlands, Georgia, Macedonia).

Also the fact that ALL ex-Yugo countries (excluding Montenegro) enters the same semi makes me wonder if those pots were really fair (and of course they are all in our semi aswell). How is it possible that five out of six countries who belongs to the same voting group gets into the same semi if pots are divided based on previous voting patterns? I don't buy that at all.

Well well...

Also poor Slovakia, Bulgaria, Lithuania & Netherlands.

Romania is as always lucky (having both Spain, Moldova & Italy voting in their semi), and Greece is again together with Cyprus and of course Belgium and Netherlands are separated (god forbid they get some help at all).

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 18:03
I didn't get one thing. Why are all ex-yugo together except Montenegro?? Aren't pots to avoid this??

Otherwise, not much more to say when we don't know the songs. But I'm sure some people will come with predictions already :lol:

croboy82
25th January 2012, 18:03
Ha? Albania and Montenegro is in the first semi, plus Switzerland that usually votes 12 points for Serbia or Turkey ;)

deese
25th January 2012, 18:05
Turkey, Ukraine and Armenia are lucky this year.

Gerly
25th January 2012, 18:06
It's horrible, Estonia will be without Finland and Latvia. That means we lost at least 20 points. :(

That's true =(
Now will help only great song! And from our semifinal will be left out one song more than from 1st.

But last year showed that also successful countries can fail. So everything is possible =)

AlekS
25th January 2012, 18:07
Turkey, Ukraine and Armenia are lucky this year.
I'd prefered Italy, Spain and Azerbaijan voting in our semi though.

A-lister
25th January 2012, 18:07
I didn't get one thing. Why are all ex-yugo together except Montenegro?? Aren't pots to avoid this??

Exactly, it's almost technically impossible if those pots were actually based on previous voting patterns. Very fishy.

croboy82
25th January 2012, 18:09
Ex-yugo Pot 1:

Croatia (Semi 2)
Bosnia (Semi 2)
Serbia (Semi 2)
Albania (Semi 1)
Montenegro (Semi 1)
Switzerland (Semi 1 with lots of people from ex-yugo)

How can you not get this? :)

A-lister
25th January 2012, 18:10
Ha? Albania and Montenegro is in the first semi, plus Switzerland that usually votes 12 points for Serbia or Turkey ;)

Don't worry... Turkey got France, UK, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Georgia, Bulgaria, Norway, Ukraine and Serbia got ALL the ex-Yugos (except for Montenegro) plus the diaspora from Sweden, Germany, UK, Netherlands.

I still can't believe how fair pots would manage to put all ex-Yugos in the same semi, It's hardly possible if pots were really divided based on voting patterns.

deese
25th January 2012, 18:10
I'd prefered Italy, Spain and Azerbaijan voting in our semi though.

Yes, we are more reliable. This time we have only Russia, right? So we will vote almost fairly.

Grinch
25th January 2012, 18:11
I am so happy about Turkey's being in the second semi-final!!! :D

Ben de ben de xcheer Çok korkunç bir şarkı yollamazsak kalırız finale.

A-lister
25th January 2012, 18:11
Ex-yugo Pot 1:

Croatia (Semi 2)
Bosnia (Semi 2)
Serbia (Semi 2)
Albania (Semi 1)
Montenegro (Semi 1)
Switzerland (Semi 1 with lots of people from ex-yugo)

How can you not get this? :)

Albania is not an "ex-Yugo" country, they get help however from Albanian minority and diaspora, out of the ex-Yugos that would be Macedonia and Montenegro mostly. However they have diaspora help also from mainly Switzerland, Austria and Greece.

Sim
25th January 2012, 18:12
Hm I like the first semi way more than the second one, all balkan countries (except montenegro) in one semi...

deese
25th January 2012, 18:12
Exactly, it's almost technically impossible if those pots were actually based on previous voting patterns. Very fishy.

you should apply for work in CIA. it is just a coincidence.

AlekS
25th January 2012, 18:13
Yes, we are more reliable. This time we have only Russia, right? So we will vote almost fairly.
So let's see. If Azeris liked Ukrainain entry it's not fair? LOL.

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 18:13
You forgot Macedonia ;)

Yeah, but they quited Slovenia from there and this is the result. I would have had Slovenia in this pot instead of Switzerland (cause ex yugos have to share the high points with Turkey, Portugal and some others). The result would not be that good for some countries and that bad for others, but oh well...

deese
25th January 2012, 18:14
have you stopped watching? it is our national music. Alim is singing.

A-lister
25th January 2012, 18:15
you should apply for work in CIA. it is just a coincidence.

If pots are divided as the previous years the chances for this to happen would be quite low. It might be coincidence (probably), but it's almost impossible that it would happen, so therefor yeah.. welcome CIA! :lol:

94ayd
25th January 2012, 18:15
::bg for the 4th/5 times in semi 2 but for the first time in the first half since the introduction of the 2nd semi-final. ;) I can't say I care about friends, as last year mostly non-friends voted for us and the friends gave us next to nothing. :lol: Plus, with the juries it becomes even more random. Let's hope for Sofi! :D

deese
25th January 2012, 18:15
So let's see. If Azeris liked Ukrainain entry it's not fair? LOL.
actually we always really like your entries. I didn't mean it. xkiss

Lenalite
25th January 2012, 18:16
My predictions without hearing all the songs.

SF1

Austria
Cyprus
Denmark
Finland
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Russia

SF2

Armenia
BiH
Georgia
Norway
Serbia
Slovekia
Slovenia
Sweden
Turkey
Ukraine

I do hope that Sweden and Ireland will manage to qualify. Since If Sweden chooses sth great from Melodifestivalen and if Jedward represents Ireland they'll be my favourites for sure. I am a bit worried about them. =(

MyHeartIsYours
25th January 2012, 18:16
I would rather us be voting in SF1!:(

Sim
25th January 2012, 18:18
My predictions without hearing all the songs.

SF1

Austria
Cyprus
Denmark
Finland
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Russia

SF2

Armenia
BiH
Georgia
Norway
Serbia
Slovekia
Slovenia
Sweden
Turkey
Ukraine

I do hope that Sweden and Ireland will manage to qualify. Since If Sweden chooses sth great from Melodifestivalen and if Jedward represents Ireland they'll be my favourite for sure. I am a bit worried about them. =(

And may i ask why these countries?

CPV4931
25th January 2012, 18:18
have you stopped watching? it is our national music. Alim is singing.

no ^^ The music is actually quite beautiful.

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 18:19
I would rather us be voting in SF1!:(

I'd happily switch the semi with you!

AlekS
25th January 2012, 18:19
Imo, anyone from the 1st semi has a chance. Even San Marino and anybody can flop.

croboy82
25th January 2012, 18:20
Oh I see I forgot Macedonia and Slovenia :o Who else was in Pot 1 then and in Semi 1?! Hm. Or wasn't slovenia in the same pot as the rest ex-yugo? confusing.

Still in the end the song matters.

croboy82
25th January 2012, 18:21
Imo, anyone from the 1st semi has a chance. Even San Marino and anybody can flop.

I agree. It's the easier semi I'd guess. Plus only 8 won't make it. While Semi 2 is already hard enough but 9 won't make it.

Lenalite
25th January 2012, 18:21
And may i ask why these countries?

I just think they will manage to qualify since SF 2 is like an EXYU party, it's for sure that most of the EXYUs will make it to the final. I wish ppl only voted for songs but sadly there are always diasporas..

AlekS
25th January 2012, 18:21
Still in the end the song matters.
Exactly.

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 18:22
Oh I see I forgot Macedonia and Slovenia :o Who else was in Pot 1 then and in Semi 1?! Hm. Or wasn't slovenia in the same pot as the rest ex-yugo? confusing.

Still in the end the song matters.

The draw was confusing, but I think Slovenia was moved to the last pot (with Hungary, Slovakia, Malta,...). That's why so many of them are in the same semi...

Sim
25th January 2012, 18:23
I just think they will manage to qualify since SF 2 is like an EXYU party, it's for sure that most of the EXYUs will make it to the final. I wish ppl only voted for songs but sadly there are always diasporas..

well , i don't think all of them will go to the final, maybe 2 or 3

A-lister
25th January 2012, 18:24
Here's my rough prediction of the outcome (of course paying more attention to the countries and voting patterns than the songs which are not known yet):

Semi 1

Iceland
Denmark
Finland
Greece
Russia
Romania
Cyprus
Israel
Hungary
Albania

(maybe Austria and/or Belgium instead of some of the above because I can see them as jury sweethearts depending on songs of course)

Semi 2

Turkey
Serbia
Georgia
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Croatia
Macedonia
Ukraine
Slovenia
Armenia

Not sure about the last one, with a really strong song Sweden can get lucky, but otherwise I think we're screwed.

Sim
25th January 2012, 18:26
Imo, anyone from the 1st semi has a chance. Even San Marino and anybody can flop.

yes I think so too, that's why I liked it, I would love to see San Marino or Montenegro go to the final (off course with a good song!)

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 18:27
Imo, anyone from the 1st semi has a chance. Even San Marino and anybody can flop.

Yeah, it looks more open.
Semi 2 has stronger countries (I mean, more countries that usually do well in ESC), but 2-3 of them can fail like last year, not everyone, so doesn't look that exciting as semi 1 today.

So I expect higher level in semi 2, but more surprises and excitement in semi 1. We'll see :)

vatroslav_cro
25th January 2012, 18:27
I don't know what to think (yet) so I hope this will be ok draw for us, I mean we deserve to qualify after 3 (THREE) years off and I believe with a good song, this could work out!

CPV4931
25th January 2012, 18:28
My first prediction:

Semi 1
Iceland
Romania
Latvia
Finland
Greece
Cyprus
Denmark
Russia
Israel
Ireland

Semi 2
Serbia
Ukraine
Armenia
Sweden
Georgia
Estonia
Turkey
Croatia
Norway
Bosnia & Herzegovina

doctormalisimo
25th January 2012, 18:28
Oh hai, has conspiracy season started again? :lol:

I must admit that putting all of the Ex-Yus in the same semi is weird, albeit hilarious, but we must also remember that we only know 3 songs. As Lenalite said, there will always be diaspora voting, let's not forget that a weak song can kick a "safe" country from the final, eg Armenia and Turkey last year :p

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 18:28
^ Actually, Croatia has only two years in a row in the semis...

doctormalisimo
25th January 2012, 18:29
we deserve to qualify after 3 (THREE) years off

no one deserves to qualify :? (not until we've heard all the songs that is :p)

alca
25th January 2012, 18:32
We don't know the draw of the Big 5, do we?

ParadiseES
25th January 2012, 18:33
I love predictions now. It's just hilarious.... :lol:

I just miss the traditional MAPS every year to show victimism. WHERE ARE THEM? :evil:

Interrail
25th January 2012, 18:38
LOL, 5 of 6 ex-YU in semi2. That's crazy...and so much fun:lol:

vatroslav_cro
25th January 2012, 18:41
Indeed, you are right....but I wouldn't be very confident ONLY in that...SONGS, SONGS will be very important, Nikola:)

vatroslav_cro
25th January 2012, 18:42
no one deserves to qualify :? (not until we've heard all the songs that is :p)

yes of course David, friend:)

vatroslav_cro
25th January 2012, 18:44
and you omit only Croatia in semi 2...hm.....I dunno why, I wonder why??:(

Interrail
25th January 2012, 18:46
@Vatro - I'm not very confident at all, I'm just saying it's a funny draw;)
Songs still remain to be heard, ofcourse.

A-lister
25th January 2012, 18:52
LOL, 5 of 6 ex-YU in semi2. That's crazy...and so much fun:lol:

Not fun for those countries that won't qualify (even if some of their entries would be better) because they will be kicked out by a whole group of friendly, political, cultural, linguistic and diaspora powers.

Sabiondo
25th January 2012, 18:54
I thing that Russia will be the next country to flop.. since in their semi-only have Latvia, Israel, Moldova, Cyprus and Finland his only friends here & they not are very reliable as ever with them :(

Sim
25th January 2012, 18:55
I thing that Russia will be the next country to flop.. since in their semi-only have Latvia, Israel, Moldova, Cyprus and Finland his only friends here :(

haha, you even dare to say only, and I really wonder if those 5 countries will give all high marks to russia...

Sabiondo
25th January 2012, 18:58
haha, you even dare to say only, and I really wonder if those 5 countries will give all high marks to russia...

The last year Latvia was gave a 0 to them.. Since the introduction of the jury, Cyprus just only gave 3 or 2 points to Russia, so Israel, Moldova & Finland plus Azerbaijan will be the only countries who maybe votes higth to them..

deese
25th January 2012, 19:02
The last year Latvia was gave a 0 to them.. Since the introduction of the jury, Cyprus just only gave 3 or 2 points to Russia, so Moldova & Finland plus Azerbaijan will be the only countries who maybe votes higth to them..
if Russia sends Savin nobody can save Russia.

Interrail
25th January 2012, 19:05
Not fun for those countries that won't qualify (even if some of their entries would be better) because they will be kicked out by a whole group of friendly, political, cultural, linguistic and diaspora powers.

I know what you're saying and I'm sorry, but blame the draw. We couldn't choose where which country will be (what semi).
Moreover we have no idea who will/will not qualify, as I said songs remain to be heard.

BGN
25th January 2012, 19:07
The draw for Bulgaria is dreadful. Hopefully Turkey will save us from the last place...

A-lister
25th January 2012, 19:12
I know what you're saying and I'm sorry, but blame the draw. We couldn't choose where which country will be (what semi).
Moreover we have no idea who will/will not qualify, as I said songs remain to be heard.

I do blame the draw, I still think it's strange how pots based on voting patterns will give this result. I don't even think it's technically possible, so therefor I don't know what to think.

vatroslav_cro
25th January 2012, 19:15
Nikola and Erik, I agree with you but I see that some people here (and in homepage articles about draw too) already fancying and "blahblahing" without any grounds....like some old grannies on the bazaar LOL....I wonder why....

deese
25th January 2012, 19:22
I do blame the draw, I still think it's strange how pots based on voting patterns will give this result. I don't even think it's technically possible, so therefor I don't know what to think.

aliens? terrorists? KGB? any other ideas?

CypriotGirl
25th January 2012, 19:23
::cy and ::gr in the same semi! Wow! I wished for ::bg too, but never mind... In the final we can get your points! :)

CypriotGirl
25th January 2012, 19:28
By the way, in the OP, the Maltese flag is used for Montenegro!

A-lister
25th January 2012, 19:30
aliens? terrorists? KGB? any other ideas?

Yes, all of those!!! 8-)

Galandar
25th January 2012, 20:33
Let me share with my thought regarding the event today.

Someone could call it boring and dull but I have to repeat that this was the biggest show for the allocation draw and logo/slogan unveil ceremony in the history of ESC. Until now no ceremonies like that were broadcast live with some kind of a small concert. That is something new for ESC and it would be good to develop this concept in future ESCs! Maybe :confused:

As for the show itself, I could agree that the material was good but they could use the commercial videos, singers in row etc. in different and the way better order. As for the hosts, both very nevous at start. The host lady looks charming and nice, while the guy is a bit annoying :? The most exciting part was to see the logo and the slogan, and I liked them both though the logo a bit more ;) Love the flames out of the flower and those crescent and eight-angle star, looks beautiful xkiss

In general, it was not even a concert but a ceremony in Buta Palace, an event center. The fact that they tried to make this ceremony look interesting and full of music is only a plus cause normally they would not be supposed to broadcast it live but they did.

Now let's light our fire and look forward to a real show in May 8-)

Good night to all! :)

A-lister
25th January 2012, 20:49
I love predictions now. It's just hilarious.... :lol:

I just miss the traditional MAPS every year to show victimism. WHERE ARE THEM? :evil:

You asked for it! :lol: xrofl3

http://imageshack.us/f/708/clipboard01qtg.jpg/

The sad faces are supposed to be the countries with no friends, the happy face collects the fortunate ones :lol:

Interrail
25th January 2012, 21:10
^Did u draw it?:lol:

GRE
25th January 2012, 21:19
This was a very good draw for Greece.
In the same semi with Cyprus,Albania,Romania,Belgium,San Marino.
But i have to say that it seems to me that it isnt fair,the 2nd semi is SO difficult.
Ok every year,one of two semis will be easier,but this year in the 2nd semi we have 6 ex-soviet & 5 ex-yugoslavic nations.:o

A-lister
25th January 2012, 21:27
^Did u draw it?:lol:

Of course :lol:

I'm such an artist right? :lol:

Interrail
25th January 2012, 21:33
I knew it:twisted::lol:

A-lister got talent:p

A-lister
25th January 2012, 21:43
I knew it:twisted::lol:

A-lister got talent:p

Thank u!

It took me a while to create that masterpiece (like 5 minutes) :lol:

deese
25th January 2012, 22:20
delete

LakZaNokte
25th January 2012, 22:30
But i have to say that it seems to me that it isnt fair,the 2nd semi is SO difficult.
Ok every year,one of two semis will be easier,but this year in the 2nd semi we have 6 ex-soviet & 5 ex-yugoslavic nations.:o
there is absolutely no chance for all of those countries to make it to the finals. 2, maybe 3 from each block. maybe even less if the songs turn out to be lame.

for example, we can't give 12 to all ex-yu countries. it is likely that one of them will get, true. but I also think it's unlikely that any of ex-yu's will give all of their highest points to other ex-yu's. u know, 12 to one neighbor, 10 for second neighbor, 8 for third...no way, trust me 8-)
the songs will count, no doubt about that.

Isabella
25th January 2012, 22:51
Omg I have to prepare for big phone bill. Have to call for all ex-yugos.
Just kidding :mrgreen:

Agree with you, LakZaNokte. No way all those countries will qualify for the final.

vatroslav_cro
25th January 2012, 23:28
but some of "those" countries qualified regularly for final in the last few years....(I won't say which ones, we know it:)). Now, if we look from that point of view, it's time for some other ones to do it.....

vampire67
25th January 2012, 23:44
Vampire67, in the news they are speaking about the organisation of tomorrow's event. . . .
Thanks a lot.

If you like I captured parts of the show:
Lenas performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=266aysMExn0

Finale:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0kPTWuOXL8

Isabella
26th January 2012, 00:09
but some of "those" countries qualified regularly for final in the last few years....(I won't say which ones, we know it:)). Now, if we look from that point of view, it's time for some other ones to do it.....

For me it's all about songs. I hope we send a good song with great performance and break those 2 series of non-qualifying :D

vatroslav_cro
26th January 2012, 00:14
Sure, my clever and nice compatriot:) I agree with you, I hope the SONGS will be the only measure for who will qualify....:)I already told that....and I will think it all the time

Yamarus
26th January 2012, 00:56
Okay whatever happened to not putting Greece/Cyprus together? And Turkey with its usual 12-pointers?

Ugh. Poor Netherlands, in the 2nd place death-row. You're not getting in this year either :?

ParadiseES
26th January 2012, 02:11
I thing that Russia will be the next country to flop.. since in their semi-only have Latvia, Israel, Moldova, Cyprus and Finland his only friends here & they not are very reliable as ever with them :(

Many countries have been drawn before with less friends (or none at all) and qualified ;)

A-lister
26th January 2012, 02:15
Many countries have been drawn before with less friends (or none at all) and qualified ;)

Check the bottom comment on page 7, I answered your request :lol:

r3gg13
26th January 2012, 02:53
My dear Portugal and Netherlands are in for some treat :lol:

aletem
26th January 2012, 06:55
Omg I have to prepare for big phone bill. Have to call for all ex-yugos.
Just kidding :mrgreen:

Agree with you, LakZaNokte. No way all those countries will qualify for the final.
It will be like 2004, when 4 ex-yu countries qualified + Turkey! :mrgreen: I see a reprise of that (Zeljko is participating now as in 2004 and ::mk choose their best singer... it all adds up :lol:).

aletem
26th January 2012, 07:04
It would be nice for Macedonia to get Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia and from the last pot Switzerland. Just saying! :D
It is definitely better than my wish! :lol: It would be nice for Kaliopi to have a good song! :D

LakZaNokte
26th January 2012, 07:28
For me it's all about songs. I hope we send a good song with great performance and break those 2 series of non-qualifying :D
the thing is, if we send a crappy song, we will probably get some pity-points from few neighbors...and 0 from others...and byebye finals.

that's the thing with these "blocks". they can help u so that u don't end up on the last-last place on the board (with 0 or 2 pts) but they can't push u to the finals. u have to get points from others as well. so yeah, we all need good songs.

Adeline
26th January 2012, 10:52
I guess my country has the worst draw it could get... :( Semi with the most contestants, in the first half and with no Netherlands-supporting countries.

vatroslav_cro
26th January 2012, 11:29
the thing is, if we send a crappy song, we will probably get some pity-points from few neighbors...and 0 from others...and byebye finals.

that's the thing with these "blocks". they can help u so that u don't end up on the last-last place on the board (with 0 or 2 pts) but they can't push u to the finals. u have to get points from others as well. so yeah, we all need good songs.

Well dear, I know from "a very first moment" that it is never enough only to get the points from the neighbours.....and it doesn't work out in ANY block (Scandinavian, Eastern european, Mediterranean, Caucasian etc. etc., you can call them whatever you want), you HAVE TO reach some points from the others, "far away" countries as well....
If you have A DECENT and A GOOD song, the voting blocks are not important at all. That's why I say that the people who lean on the voting blocks only, and have a big expectation about it, are funny and hillarious (at least to me). :)

LakZaNokte
26th January 2012, 11:42
I guess my country has the worst draw it could get... :( Semi with the most contestants, in the first half and with no Netherlands-supporting countries.
yeah, but remember, people are 50% of points. so, if u have a good song, juries will send u to the finals, even if people continue with this neighborly bs.

and again - good song will be supported, regardless of geography and politics. it always comes down to that ;)

Scooby
26th January 2012, 11:42
What a funny draw loool, especially second sf
Actually its great for us. And know that Serbia, Croatia and Macedonia are 100% in final

GRE
26th January 2012, 11:46
What about Bosnia?Is a country that Every year go to Final.

Scooby
26th January 2012, 11:49
This year it will be extremely difficult for Bosnia. I mean Maya can not compete with ex yu superstars like Željko, Nina and Kaliopi are. And for sure Serbian 12 will go to Macedonia or Croatia (audience will probably vote for Nina and jury for Kaliopi).

But who know. With great song, every scenario is possible.

LakZaNokte
26th January 2012, 11:49
And know that Serbia, Croatia and Macedonia are 100% in final
I have a weird feeling that things won't go so smooth for any of us. this could just as well bite us in the a$$.

Scooby
26th January 2012, 11:50
^No chance for that

LakZaNokte
26th January 2012, 11:54
^No chance for that
we'll see.
without the songs, this is just empty talk anyway

Adeline
26th January 2012, 11:56
yeah, but remember, people are 50% of points. so, if u have a good song, juries will send u to the finals, even if people continue with this neighborly bs.

and again - good song will be supported, regardless of geography and politics. it always comes down to that ;)

That's true of course. It's not that you can get to the final only by support from neighbors (as is said before), but it can HELP you and make a difference between 11th and 10th place. So it doesn't mean my country is doomed to stay in the semi this year, but it's still very bad luck.

vatroslav_cro
26th January 2012, 11:57
Right:) So, let's wait for all songs to be announced or chosen!:)

GRE
26th January 2012, 12:00
The only thing i can assure you,
is that ONE of Croatia-Bosnia will stay out of final.
Serbia & Fyrom are in.
Slovenia out for sure.

Scooby
26th January 2012, 12:04
^Nina is just super star and she can't fail. No way. Plus she is great singer and she can't fail with song too.

GRE
26th January 2012, 12:19
I was about to say that i am affraid that Croatia most propably will fail,becouse Bosnia will have many points from Turkey.

GRE
26th January 2012, 12:20
Feminem were also popular,and their song was adorable that year by many people,
but they failed.Croatia was also in a dificult semi.

Charly
26th January 2012, 13:28
Russia may flop in the sf1 :p

A-lister
26th January 2012, 13:32
^Nina is just super star and she can't fail. No way. Plus she is great singer and she can't fail with song too.

Actually her songs are her worst enemy, but yeah she's a known name in ex-Yugo area, so she'll make it to the final thanks to having all those countries in the semi.

I don't know how she will manage in the final though.

CypriotGirl
26th January 2012, 21:11
Okay whatever happened to not putting Greece/Cyprus together? And Turkey with its usual 12-pointers?

Ugh. Poor Netherlands, in the 2nd place death-row. You're not getting in this year either :?

It's only the second time since the two semis started that Greece and Cyprus are in the same semi. What's the problem with that? It's all matter of possibilities. If it happens to be in the same semi, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't... With only 12 points you go nowhere. Everything is up to the rest countries voting for you.

Milos-BC
26th January 2012, 23:12
Second semi is really interesting :lol: Who would say that we would basically get a half ex-yu + a half of ex-soviet semi (+ the rest of the world :lol:). It is interesting that it is random and BOOM you get an outcome like that, but that's the interesting part of this - you don't know what you end up with :D

I think Montenegro and Russia are the biggest "losers" of the draw, but that doesn't automatically mean they will not qualify. It's just that they will need really good songs in order to make it as they don't have the support of the countries that traditionally vote for them.

As for ::rs I am obviously happy with the outcome :D 2 times we didn't have a great draw, but now we can be satisfied.

archimix
27th January 2012, 00:35
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GRE
27th January 2012, 08:46
Russia is unlucky by the draw?
Will get at least 40 points from Israel-Moldova-Latvia-Azerbaijan.

penguinperson
27th January 2012, 09:44
40 isn't enough to qualify. Israel with juries now is nowhere as reliant as before nor is Moldova

Sabiondo
27th January 2012, 12:02
Russia is unlucky by the draw?
Will get at least 40 points from Israel-Moldova-Latvia-Azerbaijan.

The last year Latvia was gave 0 to Russia (And here lives about 200.000 Russians) and in the JESC 2011, Moldova also was gave a 0 to Russia (80% of the Moldovan population speak Russian), not it strange ..?..

Even if get 65 points from Televoting, the jury surely will try on to sink Russia on purpose to stay in semi-final to give chance to another country.

ParadiseES
27th January 2012, 12:51
CIA conspiracy against Russia :o

As we all know, Russia is the country that profits the least in ESC ;)

Yamarus
27th January 2012, 13:06
It's only the second time since the two semis started that Greece and Cyprus are in the same semi. What's the problem with that? It's all matter of possibilities. If it happens to be in the same semi, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't... With only 12 points you go nowhere. Everything is up to the rest countries voting for you

Of course. But semi-finals places are specially distributed to attenuate block-voting, and statistics on Greece-Cyprus are unequivocal. I can't understand why they were put together. Maybe there'll be a revolution in ESC and Greece won't give 12 to Cyprus, and vice-versa, but honestly I doubt it.

Galandar
27th January 2012, 20:47
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Quent91
27th January 2012, 21:51
God, I missed all of that party :o

MyHeartIsYours
28th January 2012, 00:07
I worry that they're trying a little too hard and it's going to ruin it - Azerbaijan will do just fine if they try not to over-do it!

A-lister
28th January 2012, 00:28
The last year Latvia was gave 0 to Russia (And here lives about 200.000 Russians) and in the JESC 2011, Moldova also was gave a 0 to Russia (80% of the Moldovan population speak Russian), not it strange ..?..


Moldova actually gave 5 to Russia, so that's not accurate...

Tristran
28th January 2012, 01:53
Phew, I'm sure glad we ended up in the first semi! If we send something similar in quality as in 2010, we are in good company, though it would be even better if France and Germany could vote for us too (ah well, can't have it all ;)). And with Turkey and Armenia in semi 2, I think Greece can already count on our douze points as well. It is indeed weird that almost all of the Balkan countries were put in the second semi, doesn't bode well for Netherlands, Sweden and Norway. :? According to wikipedia these countries were put into pot 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest_2012):

pot 1:
- Albania (semi 1)
- B&H (semi 2)
- Croatia (semi 2)
- FYR Macedonia (semi 2)
- Montenegro (semi 1)
- Serbia (semi 2)
- Switzerland (semi 1)
While Slovenia was in another pot (together with Austria, Bulgaria, Hungary, San Marino, Slovakia). With 37 countries being divided into six allocation pots, there was always going to be one pot with a seventh country (and thus 4 countries of the same pot into the same semi). Chances of it happening were slim, but it was always a possible outcome of the allocation draw.

doctormalisimo
28th January 2012, 12:08
Maybe there'll be a revolution in ESC and Greece won't give 12 to Cyprus, and vice-versa, but honestly I doubt it.

extreme wishful thinking :p :)

Sabiondo
28th January 2012, 12:52
Moldova actually gave 5 to Russia, so that's not accurate...

No you are worng atcually ::md was gave a big fat 0 to Russia in JESC 2011, and only 5 points in the last ESC.

GRE
28th January 2012, 13:02
in 2010 when they were in the SAME semi,Moldova gave 12 points to Russia.

A-lister
28th January 2012, 13:52
No you are worng atcually ::md was gave a big fat 0 to Russia in JESC 2011, and only 5 points in the last ESC.

Oh, I thought you meant ESC, but now when I read your comment again I noticed the "J" :lol:

Couldn't care less about JESC though, so probably that's why I didn't notice it :lol:

GRE
1st February 2012, 13:38
Hmm knowing what kind of stuff there is national finals of Latvia,Finland,Austria (1st semi),and also knowing that Montenegro will propably have a joke entry,
i think its kind of unffair,becouse 2nd semi has very strong entries.
So some good songs from 2nd semi will not qualify,and some craps from 1st semi will be in final.
Ok this happens every year,but THIS year is more obvious than ever...

Mickey
4th February 2012, 18:16
I'm sure it would get annoying pretty quickly if I kept linking to my blog (apologies if so), but I did these stats (http://thankyoueurope.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/stats-corner-who-won-the-draw/) on the Eurovision draw and think you might all find them interesting. Here are the tables, which show points gained or lost compared to "normal" based on the draw.

semi 1
http://thankyoueurope.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/2012-semi-1-draw-stats2.png

semi 2
http://thankyoueurope.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/2012-semi-2-draw-stats1.png

aletem
5th February 2012, 05:29
I am not too sure that Georgia will go through this year. If they pick something weird again, they will likely stay in the semi-final.

sannerz
5th February 2012, 05:31
semi 2
http://thankyoueurope.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/2012-semi-2-draw-stats1.png

Aww, my two favorite ESC countries at the opposite ends of the spectrum. :p

aletem
19th February 2012, 23:14
I am not too sure that Georgia will go through this year. If they pick something weird again, they will likely stay in the semi-final.
Haha, well.. :lol: And I haven't even heard the song! :lol:

GRE
20th February 2012, 00:18
Are you sure?
Belarus-Ukraine-Armenia-Lithuania-Estonia in the same semi!At least 40 points only from them!

aletem
20th February 2012, 00:23
Are you sure?
Belarus-Ukraine-Armenia-Lithuania-Estonia in the same semi!At least 40 points only from them!
That doesn't mean they will receive high points from these. Hopefully, Ukraine and Lithuania won't give them very high points. :lol:

GRE
20th February 2012, 00:32
we will see about that...

eerik
20th February 2012, 14:14
Are you sure?
Belarus-Ukraine-Armenia-Lithuania-Estonia in the same semi!At least 40 points only from them!

0 from Estonia, I can assure you that much. They won't get points from us for the utter crap called "I'm a Jocker".

GRE
20th February 2012, 15:23
0 from Estonia, I can assure you that much. They won't get points from us for the utter crap called "I'm a Jocker".
ok,ok wait and see.....

94ayd
20th February 2012, 15:50
Haven't you noticed that ::ge gets 12 from ::lt every single year. :lol: Well, at least 3/4 editions so far (no idea what happened in 2008 but they gave them only xrofl3).

eerik
20th February 2012, 20:12
Haven't you noticed that ::ge gets 12 from ::lt every single year. :lol: Well, at least 3/4 editions so far (no idea what happened in 2008 but they gave them only xrofl3).

They've had good enough songs in previous years, not this time.

rajo
20th February 2012, 22:26
I'm sure it would get annoying pretty quickly if I kept linking to my blog (apologies if so), but I did these stats (http://thankyoueurope.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/stats-corner-who-won-the-draw/) on the Eurovision draw and think you might all find them interesting. Here are the tables, which show points gained or lost compared to "normal" based on the draw.

semi 1
http://thankyoueurope.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/2012-semi-1-draw-stats2.png


Oh wow, Austria the second biggest loser based on statistics :( But you're right, Germany, Bosnia and Croatia proved rather generous to us last year.

On the other hand, i don't see any reliable voting pattern for sweet little Autriche, so it's always tough for us to qualify. And semi #2 looks really locked for us!