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Dangermouse
10th December 2011, 11:09
...The results correspondents reading out the entire result from 1-12.


This whole first 7 flashing up on the screen makes it too much of a blur for me :(


Thoughts.

Sim
10th December 2011, 11:34
well don't know, look at the voting in 2005, it was enormously long
I like it the way it is now, it give some boost
In jesc i can understand it because there are only 13 countries involved.

What I would like to see again in 2012 is the use of live instruments or the orchestra.
This can make a real difference for some songs i believe

CPV4931
10th December 2011, 12:05
@Danbermouse: Me, too :-) Yes, it would be very long, but very interesting again , too.

RomanFromRussia
10th December 2011, 16:22
Language rule:D
It was more interesting, than if the most of songs in english

GRE
10th December 2011, 16:30
At least 1-5 all together,and then seperately 6-7-8-10-12

r3gg13
10th December 2011, 17:28
The orchestra option would be great!

Salmon
10th December 2011, 17:33
^ I also like that 'live music' idea, and another thing that should be brought back is the semifinal voting system where televoting decides 9 songs to pass on and the juries make one other song get to the final. :D (But there the 50/50 system is good to stay!)

Matt
10th December 2011, 19:22
Most definitely the orchestra, or least make it optional.

MyHeartIsYours
10th December 2011, 19:32
Two things:
- Voting all the way from the start.
- Live music, but not an orchestra.

doctormalisimo
10th December 2011, 20:17
Lena

Mickey
10th December 2011, 21:36
Lena

Yes!

94ayd
11th December 2011, 00:11
- live music
- language diversity

Mickey
11th December 2011, 15:04
The long walk from the green room to the stage. I miss watching the presenters desperately fill time while the winner dawdles through the corridors.

CC92
11th December 2011, 16:19
Languale rule
100% Televoting
the possibility to use live instruments or an orchestra

Galandar
11th December 2011, 17:01
– 100% Televoting
Only in case they do it "1 number - 1 sms"

CC92
11th December 2011, 17:24
Only in case they do it "1 number - 1 sms"

Not as a precondition. But I would prefer this as well.

Dangermouse
12th December 2011, 21:45
Languale rule
100% Televoting
the possibility to use live instruments or an orchestra

100% televoting is a terrible idea. Leads to bloc voting.

CC92
12th December 2011, 22:50
100% televoting is a terrible idea. Leads to bloc voting.

So does every counting system. Weird how some "fans" want so badly the contest to be ruined by Disney ballads and American pop cheese. Anyway, this topic is not about televoting or bloc voting.

r3gg13
13th December 2011, 07:42
Only in case they do it "1 number - 1 sms"

I do agree with this as well. This would actually be very fair. Though, I don't know how it would pan out in terms of revenue.

Yamarus
16th December 2011, 21:11
I think they should allow one phone number to vote for multiple entries. However I agree that they should ban multiple messages voting for the same contestant. I'm not sure the broadcasters would want to lose all that revenue though.

I'm very hesitant about the voting issue. I think the problem lies beyond televoting or not. I think the voting system needs a *complete* revamp, and yes that would include modifying the "12 points" system. The voting sequence is just insufferably long, and at the same time horribly confusing.

Matt
16th December 2011, 21:37
What kind of voting system do you propose?

The voting sequence isn't that long, it pretty much took just as long in the 80s & 90s.

Salmon
16th December 2011, 21:59
I think they should allow one phone number to vote for multiple entries.

And that is the part that leads to diaspora voting in my opinion. :|

Yamarus
16th December 2011, 23:01
What kind of voting system do you propose?

The voting sequence isn't that long, it pretty much took just as long in the 80s & 90s.

Yes, but when there were only 25 countries voting, you actually had time to see the points come in sequence. With 40+ countries voting, it's just a massive blurr and you barely have time to remember to whom the 12 points went when the next country's first seven results come up on the screen. It's infuriatingly fast AND infuriatingly slow. In the Nineties the show hosts actually had time to chat a little with the presenters, make a pause, and repeat the points in both languages. Now it's just an hour-long marathon.


And that is the part that leads to diaspora voting in my opinion.

Maybe, I think there should be proper academic research aimed at diaspora voting in the ESC. I'm sure it already has been actually, but the sources may not be available to the public.
I'm saying that because I know that some of my friends like to support more than one of their favourite entries from the Contest, regardless of diaspora. If it remains one country-per phone number I don't think it affects the result that much? The real problem is people voting 10 times for the same entry.

r3gg13
17th December 2011, 03:27
Maybe, I think there should be proper academic research aimed at diaspora voting in the ESC. I'm sure it already has been actually, but the sources may not be available to the public.

Yeah, there are quite a few from JSTOR, AnthroSource and Project Muse. The ones that I read were written by a Belgian, Bosnian, Ukranian and Israeli professors.

vatroslav_cro
12th January 2012, 19:53
1. Live orchestra.
2. Voting system TOTALLY revise, that means:
a) in FINAL only the countries who reached the final should vote;
b) To read all the votes (not only 8, 10, 12), instead of the hosts to
"blahblahblah" with spokeperson from EVERY country and vice
versa ("oh it was a great show tonight, blah blah, we are excited
to watch it here, you did a wonderful spectacle") and na na na
na....all of them always say the SAME! That should be taken out!
ESC isn't a talk show;
c) EVERY country should have 50+50 (50% of decision - televoting
and 50 % jury).

This is for BEGINNING!

My opinion!

Cole
12th January 2012, 20:07
I think the semi final countries should be announced they way it is done now, although they should all be first

Example:
Non-Qualifiers go first giving the results out but 1-7 automatically 8,10, 12 are announced (Just as now)

Then the 26 Finalists have the performance running order and they announce the full results (as before)

Cole
12th January 2012, 20:08
Also bring back orchestra

vatroslav_cro
12th January 2012, 20:14
I said about the orchestra too haha:)