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Sabiondo
16th June 2011, 17:59
Every year in the Eurovision song contest, Cyprus gives the maximum 12 points to their neighbour, Greece and Greece do the same when Cyprus are in the final.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeJThMJbXz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVchJRIN-V4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mZGzxqyss0

Greece votes 2010 (05:23)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Jq2VfG41w&feature=related

Cyprus votes 2010 (7:06)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iou6JNlb1h0&feature=related

Cyprus votes 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_eBnv6tlaY


My question his.. when this voting for the best Greek Musicial Market will ends..?? And them they will give 12 points in sincere way to others countries like Sweden, Spain or Poland..??


I don't had nothing against both but its time to break this tradition, at least one time for 2012 :)

nikolay_BG
16th June 2011, 18:15
Why should they stop? Both of the countries send awesome songs and they deserve 12 points IMO. Specially Cyprus which is one of the most underrated countries. Their own neighbour is Greece and it`s taken away from them. How sad :(
They share the same langauge. the same culture.


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Matt
16th June 2011, 18:28
It's common knowledge that Cyprus and Greece vote for each other no matter what. I was hoping that with juries they may end up dropping down the list every now and then but that hasn't happened yet. I get why people would be annoyed by that but unless the juries end up giving low or no points, I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon.

Yamarus
16th June 2011, 18:30
I think it will remain a funny and predictable moment of the voting, like Turkey and Azerbaijan :-D. I wish Cyprus would win one day, I think they're up there with Portugal and Malta as the unluckiest ESC countries ever. Greece isn't anymore, IMO it'll win again very soon.

Sabiondo
16th June 2011, 18:54
Why should they stop? Both of the countries send awesome songs and they deserve 12 points IMO. Specially Cyprus which is one of the most underrated countries. Their own neighbour is Greece and it`s taken away from them. How sad :(
They share the same langauge. the same culture.

But here are years where both didn't deversing gave his 12 points together..

For example, in 1998, Greece was saved to had his first 0 points in the history if Cyprus don't was here, cause Thalassa sucks so hard in Birmingham (Even almost they withdraw from Eurovision almost 7 minutes, because their leader had a heated arguments with the Director of the BBC).


And in 2010, when Cyprus was reprenting by an Welsh Group who don't had nothing to do with Greek Culture and anyway Greece was gave their 12 points undeservedly..¡¡¡


For that they should to make an awards ceremony to see who is the best song category in the Greco-Chiprot in ESC..???? Don't thing..?? :lol:

nikolay_BG
16th June 2011, 19:01
Well i`m not a cypriot, but I like the song from 1998. Cyprus was very good in 1998 too ;)
As for 2010, all of my greek friends like the cypriot song. It`s a good song after all....


Is it so difficult to understand that they might vote for the songs?

Also Greece sends many cypriots in ESC. Big example is this year - Loucas is a cypriot :)

The existence of this topic proves my theory - Greece is the most hated ESC country. That is very, very sad, because they send very good songs :(

Yamarus
16th June 2011, 19:03
It's not difficult to understand that they'd vote for the songs. What's difficult to understand is that it's almost always the top mark. That's weird, even if it doesn't bother me.

MyHeartIsYours
16th June 2011, 19:09
They shouldnt give 12 points all the time but will continue to do so until we get a better voting system.

Matt
16th June 2011, 19:15
The existence of this topic proves my theory - Greece is the most hated ESC country. That is very, very sad, because they send very good songs :(

Gimme a break, Greece is probably the most popular country, have you checked their placings recently?


It's funny that since you liked Greece 1998 it makes sense that Cyprus gave them 12 points when every other country gave it nada. We're not talking about Cyprus voting for Greece, it's aboute the fact that they gave 12 points when it was clearly disliked by pretty much every jury or televote. And if you keep insisting that Cyprus/Greek 12 points are always 100% fair then there is nothing I can say to you cause even the EBU and both countries admitted it but you keep still denying it.

doctormalisimo
16th June 2011, 19:26
Whenever Greece sends a really unpopular song, in English. If Cyprus send a crap song they won't qualify, but Greece will qualify with ANYTHING. So if they send a bad enough song and another country (possibly one with a large disapora living in Cyprus, eg the UK) send a brilliant song, then it could end then.

Narmina
16th June 2011, 19:39
Untill ::tr and ::az will stop exchanging votes :D :D :D

nikolay_BG
16th June 2011, 19:39
Gimme a break, Greece is probably the most popular country, have you checked their placings recently?


It's funny that since you liked Greece 1998 it makes sense that Cyprus gave them 12 points when every other country gave it nada. We're not talking about Cyprus voting for Greece, it's aboute the fact that they gave 12 points when it was clearly disliked by pretty much every jury or televote. And if you keep insisting that Cyprus/Greek 12 points are always 100% fair then there is nothing I can say to you cause even the EBU and both countries admitted it but you keep still denying it.

I checked their positions, but I checked their positions when the juries were 100% voting. Greece wasn`t so much "loved" back then. It was honestly robbed. I can say the same for Cyprus too.
Now when we have juries again, the greek positions start to fade.
Aparently the ESC juries wont give Greece a chance even if the world ends.

And yes, the 1998 song was good. I liked it. And I think many cypriots liked it too. Is it that hard to understand that people from one area have similar music tastes? Specially when this people share the same culture and language?

JackBauer
16th June 2011, 19:50
If we do 1998 again with 50/50 cyprus woouldn't give greece 12 points as the cypriot jury's result was revealved for that year:D


But i admit it's very unlikely especially since 2008. If Greece or Cyprus are in the final it's because their song was good enough to gain at least 50 points to be in the semi top ten and therefore it's good enough to have the cypriot/greek jury and televote enough point in the final to receive the 12.

But it could still happen, maybe that if Bulgaria is top 3, and the Cypriot song's not that good it could get only 7 points from the greek jury and the bulgarian song 10 & 10 points.

Yamarus
16th June 2011, 19:54
Greece-to-Cyprus voting tends to be less predictable than Cyprus-to-Greece.

Sabiondo
16th June 2011, 20:13
I checked their positions, but I checked their positions when the juries were 100% voting. Greece wasn`t so much "loved" back then. It was honestly robbed. I can say the same for Cyprus too.
Now when we have juries again, the greek positions start to fade.
Aparently the ESC juries wont give Greece a chance even if the world ends.

And yes, the 1998 song was good. I liked it. And I think many cypriots liked it too. Is it that hard to understand that people from one area have similar music tastes? Specially when this people share the same culture and language?

C'mon Greece was seend better balads than this crap in 1998, just listening it and immediately want to stop instantly hear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evnh9_Dk4gU


Its just a shame that Cyprus was voted for them ...¡¡¡¡

Sabiondo
16th June 2011, 20:19
Untill ::tr and ::az will stop exchanging votes :D :D :D

Well this year was happen .. when ::tr didn't pass the final :lol:

doctormalisimo
16th June 2011, 20:39
Well this year was happen .. when ::tr didn't pass the final :lol:

and it happened this year too when ::cy didnt pass to the final ;)

94ayd
16th June 2011, 20:57
Well, I like Greece 1998, too, but it can't be more obvious how unfair this practice and those who deny it simply don't want to believe it and are closing their eyes before the facts. We only got Greece's 12 in 2007 'cause there was no Cyprus in the final.

CC92
16th June 2011, 21:13
Was not it that in 2010 BBC revealed British Televoting results and Cyprus got four points meanwhile it had an overall score of 15? This would mean that it stopped back then but in 50/50. I am not 100% sure though. But I can live with it, it is like voting for the own country. If this were allowed like in German Bundesvision, I am sure thanks to certain morons living everywhere almost all countries would do it.


Well, I like Greece 1998, too, but it can't be more obvious how unfair this practice and those who deny it simply don't want to believe it and are closing their eyes before the facts. We only got Greece's 12 in 2007 'cause there was no Cyprus in the final.
And you deserved it. :)

94ayd
16th June 2011, 21:27
Thanks! ;)

naticopes
16th June 2011, 22:06
hmm I don't know when will stop this exchange, but I must say that Greece this year deserved 12 points from Cyprus (good song and sung in their language) so you can't blame them ...and so far none of these countries sent really bad songs( the televoters will always give Greece 12 points and the jury gives them 8,10 or 12 points to get an overall of 12 points 50/50 ) But we will se if this will happen anymore :D

Interrail
16th June 2011, 22:19
Hm...they'll exchange 12pts...until they unite :D:p

Grinch
16th June 2011, 22:24
I don't think it'll stop soon because it's not neighbour voting, it's nation voting like Turkey-Azerbaijan. They're not friends nor neighbour, they're in the same family ;)

And here comes the subjective opinion: Greece is my favorite country, their entries deserve 12 pts & Cyprus might be the most underrated ESC country ever. So I'm ok with that :mrgreen:

Sabiondo
17th June 2011, 02:56
hmm I don't know when will stop this exchange, but I must say that Greece this year deserved 12 points from Cyprus (good song and sung in their language) so you can't blame them ...and so far none of these countries sent really bad songs( the televoters will always give Greece 12 points and the jury gives them 8,10 or 12 points to get an overall of 12 points 50/50 ) But we will se if this will happen anymore :D

Await and See too.. The jury did an wondufull work stoping on allowing Russia get their 12 points from all the Soviet Republics as did that Armenia and Turkey didn't pass the final.. they must do the same in this case ;) So Justice Divine must come soon..¡¡¡

CC92
17th June 2011, 10:29
Await and See too.. The jury did an wondufull work stoping on allowing Russia get their 12 points from all the Soviet Republics as did that Armenia and Turkey didn't pass the final.. they must do the same in this case ;) So Justice Divine must come soon..¡¡¡

When did Russia ever get twelve points from all former soviet republics? And what would be wrong with it if people like it? Armenia and especially Turkey this year had much better songs than that kindergarten crap from Estonia or Malta.

ParadiseES
17th June 2011, 12:04
I can understand the Greek and Cypriot televoters vote for each other, cause they are all the same nation. But juries should make a difference, because not every year their songs are the best. For example, I don't understand the 12 points to Cyprus in 2010 when the group was welsh and had nothing to do with Greek culture....
But anyway, the Greek songs have received many 12 points last years, and not only from Cyprus, so IMO it's not that annoying or unfair, just predictable.

And about Cyprus, I don't care. Cyprus is every year underrated by most ESC countries, so at least they can get some extra points from Greece not to be so underrated, though they still are!

alca
17th June 2011, 12:53
Well since it's only 2 countries that's not a problem... OK they saved us from being last in 1998 but honestly I don't think that receiving a standard-12-points will make any difference. Unless Cyprus is the last one to vote and Greece is the runner up with 10 points behind! :lol:

Sabiondo
17th June 2011, 13:01
When did Russia ever get twelve points from all former soviet republics? And what would be wrong with it if people like it? Armenia and especially Turkey this year had much better songs than that kindergarten crap from Estonia or Malta.


Since 2004 to 2008, when he joined the avalanche of participating countries, Russia always get the 12 of Belarus, Estonia, Lituania, Latvia, Armenia, Georgia (Before the War), and from Ukraine (exepect 2005) sending that they send ala blindness, and many pepole complain about it - (Especially from Westen Europeans countries) about it and cause of by this we now have this jury :lol:

Armenia & Turkey if they had passed again this year, would have broken the 3rd world war :lol: and would have been worse than the Italian victory as a gift 8-)

And if that was applied in these cases, should doing here also, that has during over the lastets 30 years and nobody does anything at recpect xchicken

nikolay_BG
17th June 2011, 13:27
Well, I like Greece 1998, too, but it can't be more obvious how unfair this practice and those who deny it simply don't want to believe it and are closing their eyes before the facts. We only got Greece's 12 in 2007 'cause there was no Cyprus in the final.

With or without Cyprus in the final, Bulgaria would also be 5th.
I think that in 2007, the greeks would give us 10 and not 12 points if Cyprus was in the final.
The difference after all is 2 points. That 2 points wouldn`t make Bulgaria on 5th or 6th place.
If Greece gave Bulgaria 10 points, Bulgaria would be in 5th place with 155 points. Bulgaria came 5th with 157 ppoints. If Cyprus gave us 12, this points will be 159. Bulgaria would be in 5th place again.
In 2007 Turkey became 4th with 163 points.
And in 2007, Belarus came 6th with 143 points.

Bottom line is that the Greek-Cypriot vote didn`t damage Bulgaria in 2007. Even if Greece gave Bulgaria 10 points and 12 to Cyprus(which that year would be totally deserved, because Cyprus was practically robbed that year).

Sabiondo
17th June 2011, 13:43
Well since it's only 2 countries that's not a problem... OK they saved us from being last in 1998 but honestly I don't think that receiving a standard-12-points will make any difference.

Also gave thanks to hers to saved to be eliminated for 2003 :lol:

CC92
17th June 2011, 13:45
^ Na, this not true. In 2004, 2005 and 2009 (where we know the results, too) when Russia took average placings it got 12 points only once. From 2006-2008 there were in Top3 so high marks are normal/not remarkable especially when a local famous artist like Dima is performing.
The jury was brought back because some western broadcasters could not accept that they will end up low with their weak generic songs if they do not exert themselves and take the competition seriously. This strategy worked well in 2009 (adding up that most of them stepped up their game and improved their entries a lot) but failed the years after because Eastern jurors are not that stupid nor masochistic that they would not know how to counteract.

nikolay_BG
17th June 2011, 13:51
^ Na, this not true. In 2004, 2005 and 2009 (where we know the results, too) when Russia took average placings it got 12 points only once. From 2006-2008 there were in Top3 so high marks are normal/not remarkable especially when a local famous artist like Dima is performing.
The jury was brought back because some western broadcasters could not accept that they will end up low with their weak generic songs if they do not exert themselves and take the competition seriously. This strategy worked well in 2009 (adding up that most of them stepped up their game and improved their entries a lot) but failed the years after because Eastern jurors are not that stupid nor masochistic that they would not know how to counteract.

I agree with that on 10000%
Ja, das ist die Wahrheit xcheers

GeorgeChali
18th June 2011, 02:18
It's just the politics
You can see the same relationship between SAN MARINO-ITALY
ANDORA-SPAIN(FRANCE)
ALBANIA-ITALY(GREECE)
TURKEY- (AZERBAIJAN)
Yogoslavia countries
Soviet republics

I think that the jury start tovote so we can avoid politics.

alca
18th June 2011, 18:28
Also gave thanks to hers to saved to be eliminated for 2003 :lol:

Honestly I never understood why we competed in 2003 after finishing 17th... And I never googled it to find out. :p

Sabiondo
18th June 2011, 18:33
Honestly I never understood why we competed in 2003 after finishing 17th... And I never googled it to find out. :p

Cause only 18 songs was allowed to compited for the next year ( The worst 6 where eliminated) and if don't was by Cyprus, Greece never was take part in 2003 as well with Austria.

GeorgeChali
18th June 2011, 19:53
Well i just saw the videos and i got too angry with the last one...
Why all the people were so @#%$^ when we got 12 points from Cyprus.
Is so difficult to understand that there are politics in esc too!!!
I am happy that Cyprus still gives 12 points because that is mean that we still have a strong bond.
This is happen in all the countries but i cannot understandthe reactionof peoplewith cyprus and greece.....

GeorgeChali
18th June 2011, 20:13
And to give a good example...
If tomorrow i see my brother to sing and he sing horrible... I will vote him because we both are parts of the same familly...

Sabiondo
18th June 2011, 20:53
And to give a good example...
If tomorrow i see my brother to sing and he sing horrible... I will vote him because we both are parts of the same familly...

And them why the jury don't allowed to Russia get their votes from his own Family - (Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia, Moldova, the Baltics & viceversa) even the bigest brother sing horrible to help him for example ...

Sabiondo
18th June 2011, 21:14
Well i just saw the videos and i got too angry with the last one...
Why all the people were so @#%$^ when we got 12 points from Cyprus.
Is so difficult to understand that there are politics in esc too!!!
I am happy that Cyprus still gives 12 points because that is mean that we still have a strong bond.
This is happen in all the countries but i cannot understandthe reactionof peoplewith cyprus and greece.....

That wasn't the fault of Loucas to get their 12 points cause was truly justified (Greek roots in the music, Cypriot singer). But the fact that its annoying for all Europe see how Greece get the maximum note from your Brother Nation is too predictable and boring, them others will following the same example and goes on.. the result will be that many small nations like Austria, Switzerland, Slovakia and several others more were withdraw, and manny Euro fans will mourn his loss as important part of the family, because they will never make the finals against that...

Loucas Yiorkas had to hear a big boo from the audience, as these votes will always be seen as unfair unless we have AT LEAST one single year without this embarrasing exchange.

Matt
18th June 2011, 21:51
And to give a good example...
If tomorrow i see my brother to sing and he sing horrible... I will vote him because we both are parts of the same familly...

So what you're saying is, screw the music and the songs, let's just vote for our dear friends instead. I'm sorry but I cannot agree with that. It's suppose to be a song contest, not a popularity contest.

nikolay_BG
18th June 2011, 22:09
^Oh please, why do you think that Sweden scored 3rd this year? Because their song was good? Yeah, right...

Matt
18th June 2011, 22:11
What does Sweden have to do with this? We're talking about Cyprus & Greece here. Nobody is denying that the Scandinavian countries are voting for each other but we are referring to the 12 point exchange right now.

nikolay_BG
18th June 2011, 22:21
It`s just 12 points :lol:
This 12 points wont make Greece win...duh
The cypriots like greek songs.
Is it so hard to understand it?

Sabiondo
18th June 2011, 22:23
It`s just 12 points :lol:
This 12 points wont make Greece win...duh
The cypriots like greek songs.
Is it so hard to understand it?

But the main point is: They keep gave their 12 points to Greece 4 ever ala blindess, yes and why..?? ))

GeorgeChali
19th June 2011, 02:28
From wiki

The United Kingdom has given the most points to... Ireland
Ireland has given the most points to... United Kingdom

Russia has received the most points from... 1 Estonia 118
2 Latvia 95
3 Israel 87
4 Ukraine 86
5 Belarus 85
= Lithuania 85

Finland has given the most points to...Sweden
Sweden has given the most points to.... Finland

Serbia has received the most points from...
1 Bosnia and Herzegovina
2 Slovenia
3 Switzerland
4 Croatia
5 Macedonia

Moldova has received the most points from... Romania
Moldova has given the most points to.... Romania

Sorry for previously but i got angry because you seem to have stucked only in the example of Greece-Cyprus
This happen even with the smallest country.
It;s something we cannot avoid.... so relax and enjoy :P

MyHeartIsYours
19th June 2011, 03:36
^ Pointing out what other countries do doesnt make this situation any better. Greece/Cyprus are the only countries that you can guarantee 12 points to each other as far as Im aware.

Narmina
19th June 2011, 12:09
It`s just 12 points :lol:
This 12 points wont make Greece win...duh


I agree with you. Greece & Cyprus, Azerbaijan & Turkey, CIS countries, Scandinavia and EX-Yugoslavia countries can exchange 12 points, but if you want to win you should get votes from all over the Europe. Just match. This year we got points from

12 - Russia, Turkey, Malta
10 - Ukraine, Moldova, San - Marino, Croatia, Romania
8 - Albania, Austria, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Cyprus, Estonia, Georgia, Iceland, Lithuania, Poland, Portugal
7 - Hungary, Slovakia
6 - Belarus, France
5 - Finland, Greece
4 - Israel
3 - Belgium, Sweden
2 - Latvia
1 - Switherland

So, 31 countries voted for us and only 5 countries from CIS + Turkey

Yamarus
19th June 2011, 23:14
Absolutely, how many countries actually vote for you (regardless of points) is really important. And look at all the eight points Azerbaijan got, THIS is what made them win. 1-8 points is a non-political vote, unlike 12p (and sometimes 10p).
People tend to be obsessed with 12 points for its symbolic value. And since 2006, only points 8-10-12 (which tend to be the most predictable, at least 12) are actually given by spokespersons, actually reinforcing the feeling of neighbour/bloc-voting. I mean, did anyone have time to actually see the points being given during the vote in Düsseldorf? It went SO fast...

CypriotGirl
9th July 2011, 19:49
1) At least it is a couple of countries and they are not hiding. Not like the ex-yu and ex-soviet and scandinavia Block. they might not exchange 12 points all the time, but see who mostly gave 12 points to BiH this year. They support 1 song each year, this year was BiH, next year will be another. They are too many countries, unlike Greece and Cyprus, and Turkey with Azerbaijan as well. 2 countries exchanging 12 points is not a big deal, it can't make a country win Eurovision. It can only save it from being last.

2) Greece almost every year sends popular artists that are well known in Cyprus. Many times Greece sent Cypriot artists (Anna Vissi, Sarbel, Loucas Yiorkas). Even if Cyprus or Greece send an unknown artist, like ::cy 2010, the song will be played in Greek and Cypriot radios and get a lot of popularity. No doubt it will gain the 12 points again!

3) The only "solution" is Greece to send a 100% crappy song (Efi Thodi for example) and fail to gain the 12 points of the juries.

CypriotGirl
9th July 2011, 19:53
I agree with you. Greece & Cyprus, Azerbaijan & Turkey, CIS countries, Scandinavia and EX-Yugoslavia countries can exchange 12 points, but if you want to win you should get votes from all over the Europe.


xgood

lowyby
9th July 2011, 23:38
I agree with you. Greece & Cyprus, Azerbaijan & Turkey, CIS countries, Scandinavia and EX-Yugoslavia countries can exchange 12 points, but if you want to win you should get votes from all over the Europe. Just match. This year we got points from

12 - Russia, Turkey, Malta

Malta always gives your country a lot of points ; I think they like your style bcs I don't think there's a lot of Azerbaijani people over there or are they (:?

CC92
10th July 2011, 00:05
Malta always gives your country a lot of points ; I think they like your style bcs I don't think there's a lot of Azerbaijani people over there or are they (:?

Is it revealed how Maltese people have voted in 2010 and 2011? 2008 and 2009 they kept their consent towards the Azerbaijani Turkish entry within a limit. Probably their broadcasters just started good relations as this year they aided one another. ;) On the other hand, Azerbaijan gained 5th and 1st and it is not unusual to vote for countries in that position. Okay, maybe for Malta it is – point taken, however... :lol: We better wait some years I would say.

Narmina
10th July 2011, 01:04
Malta always gives your country a lot of points ; I think they like your style bcs I don't think there's a lot of Azerbaijani people over there or are they (:?

I can say there are maybe no Azerbaijani there :D


Is it revealed how Maltese people have voted in 2010 and 2011? 2008 and 2009 they kept their consent towards the Azerbaijani Turkish entry within a limit. Probably their broadcasters just started good relations as this year they aided one another. ;) On the other hand, Azerbaijan gained 5th and 1st and it is not unusual to vote for countries in that position. Okay, maybe for Malta it is – point taken, however... :lol: We better wait some years I would say.

maybe you are right, but we'll se it of course ;)

lilka
10th March 2014, 02:09
The answer to this thread is: they will never stop. And I totally understand them. They are more than just neighbours.

Matt
10th March 2014, 05:56
Actually with the new transparency rules that could change. All jurors will have to show us their votes individually and it would look pretty bad on them if they all gave Greece (or Cyprus) 12 points.

Sean
11th March 2014, 02:12
Well it will stop this year obviously...

Pepe90
11th March 2014, 13:26
The answer to this thread is: they will never stop. And I totally understand them. They are more than just neighbours.

you understand them? it sounds like you think it is fair, which is wrong in my opinion.
anyway i think it is wrong to focus so badly on cyprus and greece. they have just the longest history of exchanging high points, but
azerbaijan-turkey, belarus-russia, romania-moldova etc. aren't better too...

Edward
12th March 2014, 23:31
I think she meant she understands why it happens. Not whether she thinks or not that it's fair, that assumption is a bit of a far stretch.

Pepe90
13th March 2014, 03:10
yeah i know, that's why i asked :D

Edward
13th March 2014, 21:33
Could have phrased it as a question then. The way you've put it down was a little confusing. Let's see if she lets us know..

lilka
15th March 2014, 12:58
I meant that this may seem not so fair to us, including me, but they are like brothers. Wouldn't you all vote for your brothers?

greece
15th March 2014, 14:31
I always find it bad to vote a country because you are in the same block or because you are friends.It's not the same with ::cy cause we are as lilka said brothers but the people should vote their fave song and not the country.Of course I really really really thank Cyprus for all their support and love but if you guys when you join again next year(I'm sure for this) you should vote your fave...I really appreciate it but it's not rule to vote us

lilka
15th March 2014, 14:40
greece:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's pretty safe to say that it's in fact Greeks voting for Greeks.

greece
15th March 2014, 14:42
greece:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's pretty safe to say that it's in fact Greeks voting for Greeks.

I'm not sure if they want to called them Greeks but they are first Cypriot.Also there are and the Turkish-Cypriot.But again (and this is and for the duaspora) people should vote their fave song not country

lilka
15th March 2014, 14:48
I was not questioning their independence as Cypriots, I only wanted to emphasize the special relationship between your countries. In terms of voting for the favourites I totally agree. :)

greece
15th March 2014, 14:56
Yes we've got many similarities and our language is very similar

Paddy
15th March 2014, 17:44
you understand them? it sounds like you think it is fair, which is wrong in my opinion.
anyway i think it is wrong to focus so badly on cyprus and greece. they have just the longest history of exchanging high points, but
azerbaijan-turkey, belarus-russia, romania-moldova etc. aren't better too...

Belarus and Russia at least are not doing this every year.
Of course Belarus always gives some high points to Russia, but last year there were only 8 and in 2011 for example only 5.
Russia didn't gave a single point to Belarus last year.
And also Romania didn't get the 12 points of Moldova last year.

pyryniemi
12th October 2015, 23:17
Can't believe no one bumped this thread :o

DanielLuis
13th October 2015, 00:16
Indeed. Thankfully this tradition was broken

Terence
13th October 2015, 19:53
No one saw that one coming :o

How long will we wait till this is broken again?

lavieenrose
14th October 2015, 05:48
Let's say you're a Cypriot music industry professional. When it comes right down to it, Cyprus is a relatively small musical market, so in order to catch a career break in a serious way, you have to look to Greece. Now let's say you find your way onto a Eurovision jury. Wouldn't it be in your best interest to give Greece the highest marks you can possibly give and make inroads with someone, most likely a moderately to very big name given Greece's history, in Greece's business?

(This explanation doesn't exactly work the other way, but it does explain Cyprus --> Greece, as well as Moldova --> Romania.)

DanielLuis
14th October 2015, 17:37
Let's say you're a Cypriot music industry professional. When it comes right down to it, Cyprus is a relatively small musical market, so in order to catch a career break in a serious way, you have to look to Greece. Now let's say you find your way onto a Eurovision jury. Wouldn't it be in your best interest to give Greece the highest marks you can possibly give and make inroads with someone, most likely a moderately to very big name given Greece's history, in Greece's business?

(This explanation doesn't exactly work the other way, but it does explain Cyprus --> Greece, as well as Moldova --> Romania.)

Well this is a song contest and if the jurys are professionals like they're supposed too they have the obligation to obey the rules and vote for the entry they think is the ebst in terms of quality and performance, without any second intentions.

agent
21st January 2016, 16:37
Eurovision: Cyprus gives 12 points to Greece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeJThMJbXz0

esc87fan
22nd January 2016, 01:07
Last year, both Cyprus and Greece gave their 12s to Italy instead of each other

agent
22nd January 2016, 21:47
Last year, both Cyprus and Greece gave their 12s to Italy instead of each other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvUaRrJoXpQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpgpT1SvFE