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CC92
6th June 2011, 00:10
... who would have won? What would have changed? Which entries would have lost in semi-finals, which ones would have gotten through?

CC92
6th June 2011, 00:11
SORRY. Wrong Thread. Can you move it to the history section or delete it?

Edit: Thank you. :)

Sabiondo
6th June 2011, 07:48
If was the jury here ummm... I Take much time for Analisse it :mrgreen::


1998 - Croatia
Runner ups: Malta and UK
Top 5: Belgium & Nedtherlands
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1999 - Germany
Runner ups: Croatia and Bosnia & Hezegovina
Top 5: Iceland & Estonia

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2000 - Denmark (They still the winner )
Runner ups: Latvia & Estonia
Top 5: Ireland & France

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2001 - Denmark again...ĦĦĦ
Runner ups: France & Sweden
Top 5: Greece & Spain


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2002 - Malta
Runner ups: UK and Estonia
Top 5: Spain & France

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2003 - Belgium
Runner ups: Norway and Sweden
Top 5: Turkey & Spain

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2004 - Serbia and Montenegro
Runner ups: Cyprus and Ukraine
Top 5: Netherlands & Greece


The Semis where: Ukraine, Serbia & Montenegro, Denmark, Cyprus, Estonia, Albania, Greece , Netherlands, Israel and Portugal.

Have lost in semi-finals: Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Malta and Croatia.

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2005 - Malta
Runner ups: Romania and Israel
Top 5: Latvia & Greece

The Semis where: Hungary, Slovenia, Romania, Latvia, Israel, Demark, Moldova, Iceland, Norway and Switzerland.

Have lost in semi-finals: Macedonia & Croatia

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2006 - Bosnia & Herzegovina
Runner ups: Sweden, Ireland
Top 5: Russia, Romania

The Semis where: Russia, Ukraine, Finland, Armenia, Belgium, Poland, Ireland, Sweden, Bosnia & Hezergovina, Cyprus.


Have lost in semi-finals: Macedonia & Turkey

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2007 - Serbia still the winner..ĦĦĦ
Runner ups: Russia, Belarus
Top 5: Bulgaria, Georgia

The Semis where: Iceland, Belarus, Slovenia, Hungary, Serbia, Moldova, Bulgaria, Turkey, Portugal & Georgia.

Have lost in semi-finals: Macedonia

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2008 - Norway
Runner ups: Serbia, Portugal
Top 5: Ukraine, Denmark

The Semi 1: Azerbaijian, Armenia, Poland, Netherlands ,Israel, Russia, Greece, Moldova, Montenegro and Norway

Have lost in semi-finals: Finland, Romania

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The Semi 2: Iceland, Sweden, Ukraine, Switzerland, Croatia, Georgia, Denmark, Portugal , Bulgaria and Albania

Have lost in semi-finals: Turkey

CC92
6th June 2011, 18:42
1998
Jury only winner: United Kingdom
50/50 winner: United Kingdom
Significant changes:
1999
Jury only winner: Sweden
50/50 winner: Sweden
Significant changes:
2000
Jury only winner: Denmark
50/50 winner: Denmark
Significant changes:
2001
Jury only winner: Denmark or France
50/50 winner: Denmark
Significant changes:
2002
Jury only winner: Malta
50/50 winner: Latvia (There have been several 50/50 votes in and as far I remember Latvia won with them by one point but it also could be Malta)
Significant changes
2003
Jury only winner: Belgium
50/50 winner: Belgium
Significant changes:
2004
Jury only winner: Cyprus
50/50 winner: Greece
Significant changes: xdown Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia misses out, xmale Israel does qualify
2005
Jury only winner: Israel
50/50 winner: Malta
Significant changes: xdown Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia misses out, xmale the Netherlands do qualify
2006
Jury only winner: Greece, Romania or Sweden
50/50 winner: Russia
Significant changes: xdown Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and Turkey miss out, xmale Belgium and Cyprus do qualify
2007
Jury only winner: Hungary
50/50 winner: Serbia
Significant changes: (!) I do not think a jury could have changed the qualifiers (!) although the Jury-only-top10 would have included various deviances.
2008
Jury only winner: Norway
50/50 winner: Greece
Significant changes: xdown Albania and Latvia miss out, xmale Bulgaria and Switzerland do qualify

r3gg13
6th June 2011, 19:00
I like this thread :D

Anyways,

I can only make prediction about some of the years.

2003:
50/50: ::ee or ::mt as the winner
Jury only: ::mt as the winner

2007:
50/50: ::ge or ::rs as the winner
Jury only: ::rs as the winner
Qualifiers- ::cy would have qualified, ::pt would have qualified

2008:
50/50: ::no or ::gr as the the winner
Jury only: ::rs or ::pt as the winner
Qualifiers- ::hu would have qualified, ::ch would have qualified

CC92
6th June 2011, 20:08
2007:
50/50: ::ge or ::rs as the winner
Jury only: ::rs as the winner
strange scenario (possible though).

Sabiondo
7th June 2011, 03:28
strange scenario (possible though).

I Don't thing that ::ge could be over Russia, Belarus or Bulgaria that year...ĦĦĦĦ

JackBauer
7th June 2011, 05:55
I think juries love ballad, but not that much! Turkey was doing okay will all the juries who voted on 2003 night maybe not winning the jury voting but 50/50 i believe in it, France would have done much better i think as they received 8 from bosnia & 6 from romania who used juries.Russia would've suffer a lot with juries & 50/50 i think.

2001 had also a couple of juries voting and it was all about France and then Greece & a few points for Estonia, i don't get the idea denmark would've won the juries vote:o


And do you know about that link about 1998

http://www.kolumbus.fi/jarpen/ Go check the 1998 page and click on backup juries results;) it shows France and Ireland would've done so much better with juries :o and it's totally killed the Croatia would've win theories :D and don't forget Ireland, Hungary, Turkey and Romania used juries too on the big night, the Uk would've won i think

Sabiondo
7th June 2011, 21:31
I think juries love ballad, but not that much! Turkey was doing okay will all the juries who voted on 2003 night maybe not winning the jury voting but 50/50 i believe in it, France would have done much better i think as they received 8 from bosnia & 6 from romania who used juries.Russia would've suffer a lot with juries & 50/50 i think.


I don't thing that Russia was suffer a lot with the jury for that time, cause they was send great songs before Bilan won and could be well apreciatte by them, but Turkey, Croatia & Macedonia they that had suffered much, cause Turkey would have neither won and Macedonia neither was been so unfair intro the finals.



I2001 had also a couple of juries voting and it was all about France and then Greece & a few points for Estonia, i don't get the idea denmark would've won the juries vote:o

Denmark was highly acclaimed and public pressure may have coerced to the jury to vote them are so high, but I would have preferred to Greece as the winner.




And do you know about that link about 1998

http://www.kolumbus.fi/jarpen/ Go check the 1998 page and click on backup juries results;) it shows France and Ireland would've done so much better with juries :o and it's totally killed the Croatia would've win theories :D and don't forget Ireland, Hungary, Turkey and Romania used juries too on the big night, the Uk would've won i think

France that year wasn't favoresed by the jury, the song itself was boring and withiting the juries not even been saved, instead they should have done with Slovakia cause was an great song and was unfairly ignored as almost all the Slovak songs in Eurovision by this therefore don't returned in over 10 years, finally i agree that UK should won that year, but Croatia could came seconds behind them.

Yamarus
8th June 2011, 00:50
1998 is one of my favourite years by far. So many great songs to choose from!

Avitas
8th June 2011, 01:49
2001: Definately France!
2002: UK with Come back
2003: Maybe it would be Turkey. Maybe Norway...?
2004: Cyprus with Stronger every minute for sure
2005: Malta
2006: Bosnia & Hercegovina Lejla
2007: Serbia would´ve won as it did
2008: Norway I´m pretty sure. If it did that well with the public (5th), I believe it would win as it is a typical jury song.

MyHeartIsYours
8th June 2011, 02:18
What I think since 2006:

2008 - 1st ::ru Russia 2nd ::no Norway 3rd ::se Sweden 4th ::il Israel ::gr Greece

2007 - 1st ::rs Serbia 2nd ::se Sweden 3rd ::de Germany 4th ::gr Greece 5th ::by Belarus

2006 - 1st ::ru Russia 2nd ::ba Bosnia and Herzegovina 3rd ::se Sweden 4th ::ie Ireland 5th ::de Germany

evilperson
8th June 2011, 07:01
Well no prediction necessary for 2007, those 50/50 jury-televote results were released back then:

01. Serbia (1)
02. Russia (3)
03. Hungary (9)
04. Ukraine (2)
05. Belarus (6)
06. Germany (19)
07. Greece (7)
08. Latvia (16)
09. Georgia (12)
10. Bulgaria (5)
11. Moldova (10)
12. FYR Macedonia (14)
13. Bosnia & Herzegovina (11)
14. Turkey (4)
15. Sweden (18)
16. Slovenia (15)
17. Armenia (8)
18. Finland (17)
19. Spain (20)
20. Romania (13)
21. France (22)
22. Lithuania (21)
23. United Kingdom (23)
24. Ireland (24)

JackBauer
8th June 2011, 10:24
I don't thing that Russia was suffer a lot with the jury for that time, cause they was send great songs before Bilan won and could be well apreciatte by them, but Turkey, Croatia & Macedonia they that had suffered much, cause Turkey would have neither won and Macedonia neither was been so unfair intro the finals.



Well you didn't noticed i was speaking of the year 2003, not Russia in Eurovision in general.:)


We know the votes from a few juries from that year and of course it's enough to draw big conclusions from them but for me it's clear they loved Belgium & Turkey much more and then each of them had a best shot at winning the jury votes and consequently the 50/50.:p


Denmark was highly acclaimed and public pressure may have coerced to the jury to vote them are so high, but I would have preferred to Greece as the winner.


Well there was also a few juries who voted instead of televotes and Denrmark got no point from the 100% juries. France, Greece & Estonia did so much better.

Should have Russia & Bosnia used the televotes Estonia, Greece & France would've got some points as they did it everywhere else and so be likely to be before denmark in a 50/50 vote.

Denmark did much better with the few 50/50 of the night thanks to televote i believe but still a lot less of Estonia.

Thereby it's only logical to estimate either Greece or France won the jury and Estonia was top 5/10.

I find it hard to tell who would've won the 50/50 that year but i'm ready to predict it wasn't denmark.



France that year wasn't favoresed by the jury, the song itself was boring and withiting the juries not even been saved, instead they should have done with Slovakia cause was an great song and was unfairly ignored as almost all the Slovak songs in Eurovision by this therefore don't returned in over 10 years, finally i agree that UK should won that year, but Croatia could came seconds behind them.




I'm not really sure i understood what you mean:o

Did you check the link i post

We know the jury results from 13 juries; that's a great number and enough to draw conclusions!

Finland, Sweden, Norway, Spain, France, Germany Israel, Greece & Cyprus because they were published after the contest & Hungary, Ireland, Romania & Turkey as they used a jury to produce their vote in 1998

And the top ten for those 13 juries was:

1. Uk 107

2.Netherland 89

3.Ireland 88

4.Malta 75

5. Belgium 46

6. Sweden 40

7. Israel 39

8. France 36

8= Portugal 36

10 Croatia 35


So i'not an expert in statistics and i'm not courageous enough to check every televote from 98 and juries we know to find the 50/50 xrofl3xrofl3 but it seems to me you're mistaken.

France was clearly more liked by juries as it got 36 points more than with the televoting.

Croatia wasn't high enough after 13 votes to win the jury voting and obviously not the 50/50 as countries who did as good or better than them in the televoting were between 40 & 70 points higher with the jury.

Maybe Israel would've still have a shot, depends on the 12 lacking juries votes but i think it's more likely UK or the Netherland & maybe Malta would've won if EBU used à 50/50 voting systhem.It's only logical to think so.

sannerz
8th June 2011, 18:29
Well no prediction necessary for 2007, those 50/50 jury-televote results were released back then:

01. Serbia (1)
02. Russia (3)
03. Hungary (9)
04. Ukraine (2)
05. Belarus (6)
06. Germany (19)
07. Greece (7)
08. Latvia (16)
09. Georgia (12)
10. Bulgaria (5)
11. Moldova (10)
12. FYR Macedonia (14)
13. Bosnia & Herzegovina (11)
14. Turkey (4)
15. Sweden (18)
16. Slovenia (15)
17. Armenia (8)
18. Finland (17)
19. Spain (20)
20. Romania (13)
21. France (22)
22. Lithuania (21)
23. United Kingdom (23)
24. Ireland (24)

Germany at 6th after jury vote?
Obviously, you have to send jazz if you want to win the jury vote. :o

doctormalisimo
8th June 2011, 18:47
2008: Greece, Armenia, Ukraine or Norway would have won.
2007: Serbia would have won
2006: Bosnia or Finland would have won
2005: Greece would have won

Sabiondo
8th June 2011, 19:56
Well you didn't noticed i was speaking of the year 2003, not Russia in Eurovision in general.:)


We know the votes from a few juries from that year and of course it's enough to draw big conclusions from them but for me it's clear they loved Belgium & Turkey much more and then each of them had a best shot at winning the jury votes and consequently the 50/50.:p

You don't specify well.... But yes, Russia wasn't got that 3th place if the jury was here.. they can could done over the Top 10-15 but far of the top 5, no matter how famous they are the T.A.T.U, but i don't thing that Turkey could won also, cause they could preffer give the victory an West Country as Belgium, Norway or Sweden.



Well there was also a few juries who voted instead of televotes and Denrmark got no point from the 100% juries. France, Greece & Estonia did so much better.

Should have Russia & Bosnia used the televotes Estonia, Greece & France would've got some points as they did it everywhere else and so be likely to be before denmark in a 50/50 vote.

Denmark did much better with the few 50/50 of the night thanks to televote i believe but still a lot less of Estonia.

Thereby it's only logical to estimate either Greece or France won the jury and Estonia was top 5/10.

I find it hard to tell who would've won the 50/50 that year but i'm ready to predict it wasn't denmark.


I agree, but in fact should have been a power struggle between France and Greece for the victory if it had been 50-50...ĦĦĦĦ




I'm not really sure i understood what you mean:o

Did you check the link i post

We know the jury results from 13 juries; that's a great number and enough to draw conclusions!

Finland, Sweden, Norway, Spain, France, Germany Israel, Greece & Cyprus because they were published after the contest & Hungary, Ireland, Romania & Turkey as they used a jury to produce their vote in 1998

And the top ten for those 13 juries was:

1. Uk 107

2.Netherland 89

3.Ireland 88

4.Malta 75

5. Belgium 46

6. Sweden 40

7. Israel 39

8. France 36

8= Portugal 36

10 Croatia 35


So i'not an expert in statistics and i'm not courageous enough to check every televote from 98 and juries we know to find the 50/50 xrofl3xrofl3 but it seems to me you're mistaken.

France was clearly more liked by juries as it got 36 points more than with the televoting.

Croatia wasn't high enough after 13 votes to win the jury voting and obviously not the 50/50 as countries who did as good or better than them in the televoting were between 40 & 70 points higher with the jury.

Maybe Israel would've still have a shot, depends on the 12 lacking juries votes but i think it's more likely UK or the Netherland & maybe Malta would've won if EBU used à 50/50 voting systhem.It's only logical to think so.


Well I thought that after implantation of televoting in 1998, all were required to used it and therefore i get that conclusion, but this year with the exception of Israel and Croatia, had been dominated by Western countries if was by the jury.

Sabiondo
8th June 2011, 19:59
2005: Greece would have won

I don't thing that Helena could won over the Amaizing ballad of Chiara if the jury was there.

CC92
8th June 2011, 20:09
Unlike other users here, I do not see the jury appeal in Bosnia (2006) or Greece (2001). They sound like usual public favourites imo.

doctormalisimo
8th June 2011, 20:16
I don't thing that Helena could won over the Amaizing ballad of Chiara if the jury was there.

Chiara would have won with the jury obviously. But I think Helena would have won with 50/50 :)

Michelangelo
8th June 2011, 22:40
I don't thing that Helena could won over the Amaizing ballad of Chiara if the jury was there.

Me neither. I'm pretty sure Chiara would have been the jury's favourite. And rightly so, that song together with her performance was outstanding.

JackBauer
9th June 2011, 04:00
I just realized that with 50/50 Greece would have got only 8 points in 1998, that's tell you how bad that entry was:D

94ayd
11th June 2011, 13:58
2007 - Serbia still the winner..ĦĦĦ
Runner ups: Russia, Belarus
Top 5: Bulgaria, Georgia

The Semis where: Iceland, Belarus, Slovenia, Hungary, Serbia, Moldova, Latvia, Turkey, Portugal & Georgia

Have lost in semi-finals: Macedonia

How come your predict Bulgaria would've been top 5 but then we don't even qualify, according to you. :lol:

Sabiondo
11th June 2011, 14:04
How come your predict Bulgaria would've been top 5 but then we don't even qualify, according to you. :lol:

Upsss i fogot add us at the list :oops:, was a very competitive year :lol:

EurovisionSmile
13th April 2012, 22:20
I don't thing that Helena could won over the Amaizing ballad of Chiara if the jury was there.

Really? So that means that it was actually a good thing having only the televote to decide the winner in 2005 :mrgreen:

FilipFromSweden
13th April 2012, 22:43
In 2008 ::ru would never , ever have won. Believe me , portugal had been in top 5 thanks to the jury and Sweden to , because they were the jury wild-card. I think Greece , Armenia or Norway would have won thanks to jury


In 2007 ::rs would still have been the true winner as they are , jury would have loved it. Dough i believe Ukraine would be like placed nr 8 in the final and Hungary nr 2.

In 2006 , ::fi would never have won , i think ::ba , ::ru or ::se had been the winner.

I both like and unlike jury , jury always have sutch strange taste , i mean , ITALY? LITHUANIA? and what the hell , how the hell was it possible that the jury did not stop Moldova 2011? Still , jury always drag down Russia :) but jury never like Sweden that much.

FilipFromSweden
13th April 2012, 22:53
Can you guys/girls tell me where you get this '' what if '' jury votes?