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escYOUnited
9th April 2017, 02:05
http://img.freeflagicons.com/thumb/music_icon/china/china_640.png

DJNightingale
16th August 2017, 18:54
Who has started this thread? :lol:
Does anyone think this is possible? Of course, Australia isn't Europe, too, but it has got at least a lot of common with European culture. For example, one quarter of Australian fish is European. Unlike China... But on the other hand, we can expect everything from EBU...

tuorem
16th August 2017, 20:26
China has got money and a big population (which might mean substantial viewing rates in case of participation), which is all the EBU cares about, so why not? :lol: That would be exotic!

They've been broadcasting the contest live for a few years now, so it seems they aren't uninterested in the concept at least. And if I remember correctly the hosts have mentioned China at some point in the show since 2014 (so they don't look as "irrelevant" to the EBU as Kazakhstan for instance). It's only a matter of time before they invite China as an interval act, and then for a """"one-off"""" participation...


We won't have the same debate again, but accepting Australia set a precedent: it's not a matter of geographical location, culture or membership anymore, virtually anyone could join the contest now. Provided there is an interest, I couldn't understand why other countries wouldn't be considered eligible if they meet the same requirements as Australia.

I myself am not in favour of Eurovision turning into Worldvision, but that's what it is: one has to be coherent and can't make an exception because this or that, otherwise rules are pointless.

A-lister
17th August 2017, 21:07
Oh plzz no...

DanielLuis
17th August 2017, 23:14
China has got money and a big population (which might mean substantial viewing rates in case of participation), which is all the EBU cares about, so why not? :lol: That would be exotic!

They've been broadcasting the contest live for a few years now, so it seems they aren't uninterested in the concept at least. And if I remember correctly the hosts have mentioned China at some point in the show since 2014 (so they don't look as "irrelevant" to the EBU as Kazakhstan for instance). It's only a matter of time before they invite China as an interval act, and then for a """"one-off"""" participation...


We won't have the same debate again, but accepting Australia set a precedent: it's not a matter of geographical location, culture or membership anymore, virtually anyone could join the contest now. Provided there is an interest, I couldn't understand why other countries wouldn't be considered eligible if they meet the same requirements as Australia.

I myself am not in favour of Eurovision turning into Worldvision, but that's what it is: one has to be coherent and can't make an exception because this or that, otherwise rules are pointless.


Well they have already said they are interested in participating in 2015. The EBU shouldn't accept them though, as there is a big difference to Australia - Australia broadcasted the contest non stop for 30 years before they started taking part. China is nowhere near that, and it definitely isn't as popular there as it is in Australia.

randajad
17th August 2017, 23:23
Njet.

tuorem
18th August 2017, 13:37
Well they have already said they are interested in participating in 2015. The EBU shouldn't accept them though, as there is a big difference to Australia - Australia broadcasted the contest non stop for 30 years before they started taking part. China is nowhere near that, and it definitely isn't as popular there as it is in Australia.

I do remember them sending a delegation back in 2015 and I totally get your point, but the thing is the determination of a broadcaster (along with dollars) and the marketable potential of a country might influence the EBU more than the current interest of the population in the contest.

China isn't a "random" country, and - if their broadcaster keeps showing interest - I could picture the EBU not waiting for 30 years of broadcasting before inviting them one way or another.

I'm not pro-expansion, but this happening wouldn't surprise me.

Realest
18th August 2017, 13:49
I dont accept China as part of the Eurovision-Family.

popavapeur
18th August 2017, 16:26
You have rules and rules. You have some rules that allow Australia to participate and with these rules, everybody could participate now. But you have others rules that are not written in the holy book of rules which say that you have to be somewhat European or have at least good arguments to participate alongside Eurovision countries (and money is not a good argument). And believe it or not but the second "rules" thing is far more important than the first one, and it's because of this one that we changed the real rules to make the official "rules".

Btw China is probably going to participate in Eurovision Asia.

tuorem
18th August 2017, 22:32
You have rules and rules. You have some rules that allow Australia to participate and with these rules, everybody could participate now. But you have others rules that are not written in the holy book of rules which say that you have to be somewhat European or have at least good arguments to participate alongside Eurovision countries (and money is not a good argument). And believe it or not but the second "rules" thing is far more important than the first one, and it's because of this one that we changed the real rules to make the official "rules".

Btw China is probably going to participate in Eurovision Asia.

The EBU creates and changes rules for a mere trifle, as we know only too well. Who would have thought Australia would be allowed to take part? They are so untrustworthy anything could happen for the sake of publicity stunt or new markets.

Eurovision Asia is a good thing (I thought it would never come true).

popavapeur
20th August 2017, 14:23
The EBU creates and changes rules for a mere trifle, as we know only too well. Who would have thought Australia would be allowed to take part? They are so untrustworthy anything could happen for the sake of publicity stunt or new markets.

Eurovision Asia is a good thing (I thought it would never come true).

That's my point, Australia should have been seen as something very unusual and special, but still, eurofans are in the mood "they're destroying my beloved contest". I'm not saying they won't do these shenanigans once again but it's selling them short to talk about something that didn't happen yet, cold war style (with something other than ::au ). Australia was REALLY a special case (cultural, show is airing for YEARS and so on).

GRE
5th May 2018, 09:28
Will China broadcast this years edition ?

Gordon_Shumway
5th May 2018, 09:37
I see no valid reason, why a country like China should not be allowed to take part in the ESC if nobody has any problem with Australia participating.
Personally I would prefer that neither of those countries participate, because I like the idea of one song contest that "belongs" to Europeans.
Or make it a "Worldvision Contest" and allow anyone to join.

tuorem
5th May 2018, 09:44
Will China broadcast this years edition ?

I guess so.They've broadcasted it every year since 2014 iirc.

Sammy
10th May 2018, 14:34
http://esctoday.com/165905/eurovision-2018-china-removes-albania-ireland-semi-final-1-broadcast/

just a little reminder why it does make a difference if Australia participates or some dictatorships...
I hope with this the discussion about China is closed for good.

nofuxCZ
10th May 2018, 14:45
I see no valid reason, why a country like China should not be allowed to take part in the ESC if nobody has any problem with Australia participating.
Personally I would prefer that neither of those countries participate, because I like the idea of one song contest that "belongs" to Europeans.
Or make it a "Worldvision Contest" and allow anyone to join.

I think this is enough of a reason. Ireland censored because of LGBT, Albania because of Eugent having visible tatooes.
If they want to participate in European contest which promotes liberal european values, then first they should be on the same line.

https://i.imgur.com/NryKeuI.png

mauve
10th May 2018, 14:52
I think this is enough of a reason. Ireland censored because of LGBT, Albania because of Eugent having visible tatooes.
If they want to participate in European contest which promotes liberal european values, then first they should be on the same line.

https://i.imgur.com/NryKeuI.png

xshockxshockxshock They could have censored Belarus for terrible singing too ...

A-lister
10th May 2018, 14:56
China and no other non-geographical European countries should be brought into the contest, enough with non-European expansion! if people want Worldvision, they can create a new show instead of ruin this one.

End of discussion :lol:

Oh and China's censorship, are people surprised? It's one of the worst dictatorships and police states of the world, this country stands for nothing the Eurovision brand should stand for.

RainyWoods
10th May 2018, 14:57
Can each country send gay tattooed sailors next year please? Thank you.

digitaldude
10th May 2018, 16:16
Didn't realize how much more conservative China was than Russia.

Himan
10th May 2018, 16:25
Is this all true, or just a troll? It sounds like fake news. Though I'm not sure of course.

Himan
10th May 2018, 16:34
I see there are people commenting exactly my words on the website. Research, Research please!

digitaldude
10th May 2018, 22:56
Is this all true, or just a troll? It sounds like fake news. Though I'm not sure of course.

https://eurovision.tv/snippet/ebu-terminates-this-year-s-partnership-with-mango-tv

It was real ebu terminate partnership with Mango TV in China.

Eulaliya
11th May 2018, 00:32
Wrong move Mango TV, censoring some songs just for the sake of "conservativeness" and "protection of Chinese culture". Tsk tsk.
I think it may even affect China's debut on Eurovision Asia.

Chorizo
11th May 2018, 00:43
That will be one short semi 2 in China. Even in the Chinese-themed postcard I spotted a tattoo...

Edit: Oh, even shorter than I thought. I only see now that they are not allowed to broadcast it. For once, the EBU did not just follow the money. Well done! Makes me wonder what that means for Eurovision Asia.

Sabiondo
11th May 2018, 00:47
Wrong move Mango TV, censoring some songs just for the sake of "conservativeness" and "protection of Chinese culture". Tsk tsk.
I think it may even affect China's debut on Eurovision Asia.

Eurovision Asia isn't a big deal for them.. China censoriship is just the top iceberg on Asia's Geoplitical problems as well :lol:

DenizESC
11th May 2018, 01:20
China joining in the convos xheat

DenizESC
11th May 2018, 01:23
#BringBackMangoTV xpray

Edit: or not (I just read what has been going on lol)