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Charly
21st December 2016, 00:54
The odds once again starting for the 2017 season
20/12

1. Greece 5.6
2. Russia 6.8
3. Sweden 7.8
4. Estonia 11.4
5. Hungary 13.4
6. Armenia 14.8
7. Australia 15.6
8. Norway 16.6
9. Denmark 18.6
10. Slovenia 25
11. Poland 26
12. Spain 27
13. United Kingdom 29
14. Romania 29
15. Azerbaijan 32
16. Italy 34
17. Germany 36
18. Ukraine 38
19. Ireland 38
20. Netherlands 38
21. France 40
22. Georgia 42
23. Serbia 44
24. Malta 44
25. Latvia 44
26. Iceland 46
27. Belgium 48
28. Cyprus 48
29. Finland 48
30. Israel 57
31. Albania 57
32. Bulgaria 57
33. Austria 64
34. Lithuania 71
35. Belarus 71
36. Switzerland 71
37. Croatia 76
38. Czech Republic 81
39. Montenegro 81
40. Moldova 86
41. Macedonia 95
42. Portugal 95
43. San Marino 114

esc87fan
21st December 2016, 02:06
Really, how can one talk of odds and making bets when no songs have been released?

Matt
21st December 2016, 03:06
I'm so excited, we're going to Greece in 2018.

AshleyWright
21st December 2016, 03:44
I hope they're just as indecisive with their venue as they are with their method of song selection this year. xheat

ESC in a cardboard box will be a treat.

EscGeek
21st December 2016, 09:03
10th place for Maja Keuc....underrated againxqueenbitch

Chorizo
22nd December 2016, 04:45
I'm so excited, we're going to Greece in 2018.

The biggest Eurovision ever in the remodeled Olympic Stadium in Athens. xheat xheat xheat

Matt
22nd December 2016, 05:11
The biggest Eurovision ever in the remodeled Olympic Stadium in Athens. xheat xheat xheat

Almost 70,000 fans in one place....sounds good to me.

AlekS
22nd December 2016, 12:38
^ But not for ESC techies(( ESC won't be hosted by big stadiums in the near future.

Charly
22nd December 2016, 13:49
Odds from 21/12 12:46

1. Sweden 7.8 -> 4.5 (3)
2. Greece 5.6
3. Russia 6.8
4. Australia 15.6 -> 12.4 (7)
5. Estonia 11.4 -> 12.8 (4)
6. Hungary 13.4 -> 13.8 (5)
7. Armenia 14.8 -> 15.6 (6)
8. Norway 16.6 -> 18.6
9. Denmark 18.6 -> 19
10. Slovenia 25
11. Poland 26 -> 25
12. Spain 27
13. United Kingdom 29
14. Romania 29
15. Azerbaijan 32
16. Italy 34
17. Germany 36 -> 32
18. Ukraine 38
19. Ireland 38
20. Netherlands 38
21. France 40
22. Georgia 42
23. Serbia 44
24. Malta 44
25. Latvia 44
26. Iceland 46
27. Belgium 48
28. Cyprus 48
29. Finland 48
30. Israel 57
31. Albania 57
32. Bulgaria 57
33. Austria 64 -> 67
34. Lithuania 71 -> 67
35. Belarus 71
36. Switzerland 71
37. Croatia 76
38. Czech Republic 81
39. Montenegro 81
40. Moldova 86
41. Macedonia 95
42. Portugal 95
43. San Marino 114

Charly
22nd December 2016, 14:02
Odds from 22/12 11:50

1. Sweden 4.5
2. Greece 5.6
3. Russia 6.8
4. Estonia 12.8 -> 11.8 (5)
5. Australia 12.4
6. Hungary 13.8 -> 17.6
7. Armenia 15.6 -> 17.6
8. Norway 18.6
9. Denmark 19
10. Ukraine 38 -> 24 (18)
11. Poland 25
12. Slovenia 25 -> 27 (10)
13. Spain 27
14. United Kingdom
15. Romania 29
16. Azerbaijan 32
17. Italy 34
18. Malta 44 -> 34 (24)
19. Germany 36
20. Ireland 38
21. Netherlands 38
22. France 40
23. Georgia 42
24. Serbia 44
25. Latvia 44
26. Iceland 46
27. Belgium 48
28. Cyprus 48
29. Finland 48
30. Albania 57
31. Bulgaria 57
32. Israel 57 -> 62 (30)
33. Austria 67 -> 62
34. Switzerland 71 -> 67 (36)
35. Lithuania 67 -> 71
36. Belarus 71
37. Croatia 76
38. Montenegro 81 -> 76 (39)
39. Czech Republic 81
40. Moldova 86
41. Macedonia 95
42. Portugal 95 -> 105
43. San Marino 114

Biggest move comes from Ukraine :o

LalehForWD
22nd December 2016, 14:27
When do you guys realise it has nothing todo with the song? We all know Sweden will win and the UK miraculously make it to the final and place last.

WhoKnows
22nd December 2016, 17:10
Biggest move comes from Ukraine :o

We're coming for that repeat. xheat

AlekS
22nd December 2016, 17:51
We're coming for that repeat. xheat
STB, NTU and the biggest NTU offcials (in almost private talk) said they are going for the 2nd consecutive victory.
Also I know some info about our next city host but I'm not gonna jinx it. We have to win first :lol:

Charly
23rd December 2016, 16:03
23/12

1. Sweden 4.5 -> 5
2. Greece 5.6
3. Russia 6.8
4. Estonia 11.8.
5. Australia 12.4
6. Hungary 17.6 -> 13
7. Norway 18.6
8. Denmark 19
9. Poland 25 -> 19 (11)
10. Armenia 17.6 -> 22 (7)
11. Azerbaijan 32 -> 26 (16)
12. Slovenia 27
13. Spain 27
14. Germany 36 -> 28 (19)
15. United Kingdom 29
16. Romania 29
17. Netherlands 38 -> 29 (21)
18. Italy 34
19. Malta 34
20. Ukraine 24 -> 38 (11)
21. Ireland 38
22. France 40 -> 42
23. Georgia 42
24. Serbia 44
25. Iceland 46 -> 44 (26)
26. Belgium 48
27. Cyprus 48
28. Finland 48
29. Lithuania 71 -> 52 (35)
30. Bulgaria 57
31. Latvia 44 -> 62 (25)
32. Israel 62
33. Austria 62
34. Switzerland 67 -> 71
35. Belarus 71
36. Croatia 76
37. Montenegro 76
38. Czech Republic 81
39. Albania 57 -> 86 (30)
40. Moldova 86 -> 95 (39)
41. Macedonia 95
42. Portugal 105
43. San Marino 114

Ukraine jump did not last very long as they moved down to 20th :twisted:

But after the SF2 in Albania they have significantly dropped to near bottom!

Charly
24th December 2016, 17:01
24/12 After the Albanian NF

1. Greece 5.6
2. Russia 6.8
3. Sweden 5 -> 7.4 (1)
4. Australia 12.4
5. Hungary 13 -> 13.8
6. Estonia 11.8 -> 14.8 (4)
7. Norway 18.6
8. Denmark 19
9. Poland 19
10. Armenia 22 -> 24
11. Azerbaijan 26
12. Slovenia 27
13. Spain 27
14. Netherlands 29 -> 28 (17)
15. Germany 28 -> 29 (14)
16. United Kingdom 29
17. Romania 29
18. Italy 34
19. Malta 34
20. Ukraine 38
21. Ireland 38
22. France 42
23. Georgia 42
24. Serbia 44
25. Israel 62 -> 44 (32)
26. Iceland 44 -> 46 (25)
27. Belgium 48
28. Cyprus 48
29. Finland 48
30. Bulgaria 57
31. Latvia 62
32. Austria 62 -> 67
33. Lithuania 52 -> 71 (30)
34. Switzerland 71
35. Belarus 71
36. Czech Republic 81 -> 71 (38)
37. Croatia 76
38. Montenegro 76
39. Albania 86 -> 95
40. Moldova 95
41. Macedonia 95
42. Portugal 105
43. San Marino 114

::gr claims 1st place again :twisted:
Lindita Halimi's selection made it worse for ::al

tuorem
26th December 2016, 23:00
You know these odds are meaningless when San Marino is ranked dead last. Valentina 4.0 is coming for your weaves, just you watch xqueenbitch

Charly
30th December 2016, 16:22
With Montenegro announcement lets update the odds :p

1. Malta 34 -> 4.5
2. Montenegro 76 -> 4.5
3. Greece 5.6 -> 5.8
4. Sweden 7.4 -> 5.8
5. Russia 6.8
6. Armenia 24 -> 10.5
7. France 42 -> 10.5
8. Australia 12.4 -> 12.8
9. Estonia 14.8 -> 14.2
10. Slovenia 27 -> 17.6
11. Norway 18.6
12. Denmark 19 -> 21
13. Finland 48 -> 21
14. Poland 19 -> 22
15. Ukraine 38 -> 24
16. Azerbaijan 26
17. Spain 27
18. Netherlands 28
19. Italy 34 -> 28
20. United Kingdom 29
21. Romania 29
22. Germany 29 -> 30
23. Hungary 13.8 -> 32
24. Georgia 42 -> 34
25. Ireland 38
26. Serbia 44 -> 38
27. Israel 44
28. Belgium 48 -> 46
29. Iceland 46
30. Latvia 62 -> 46
31. Cyprus 48
32. Belarus 71 -> 52
33. Lithuania 71 -> 52
34. Bulgaria 57
35. Albania 95 -> 57
36. Croatia 76 -> 57
37. Austria 67 -> 62
38. Czech Republic 71 -> 62
39. Moldova 95 -> 62
40. Switzerland 71 -> 67
41. Macedonia 95 -> 71
42. Portugal 105 -> 95
43. San Marino 114 -> 95

Well then things changed :twisted:

RomanFromRussia
31st December 2016, 09:04
With Montenegro announcement lets update the odds :p

1. Malta 34 -> 4.5
2. Montenegro 76 -> 4.5
3. Greece 5.6 -> 5.8
4. Sweden 7.4 -> 5.8
5. Russia 6.8
6. Armenia 24 -> 10.5
7. France 42 -> 10.5
8. Australia 12.4 -> 12.8
9. Estonia 14.8 -> 14.2
10. Slovenia 27 -> 17.6
11. Norway 18.6
12. Denmark 19 -> 21
13. Finland 48 -> 21
14. Poland 19 -> 22
15. Ukraine 38 -> 24
16. Azerbaijan 26
17. Spain 27
18. Netherlands 28
19. Italy 34 -> 28
20. United Kingdom 29
21. Romania 29
22. Germany 29 -> 30
23. Hungary 13.8 -> 32
24. Georgia 42 -> 34
25. Ireland 38
26. Serbia 44 -> 38
27. Israel 44
28. Belgium 48 -> 46
29. Iceland 46
30. Latvia 62 -> 46
31. Cyprus 48
32. Belarus 71 -> 52
33. Lithuania 71 -> 52
34. Bulgaria 57
35. Albania 95 -> 57
36. Croatia 76 -> 57
37. Austria 67 -> 62
38. Czech Republic 71 -> 62
39. Moldova 95 -> 62
40. Switzerland 71 -> 67
41. Macedonia 95 -> 71
42. Portugal 105 -> 95
43. San Marino 114 -> 95

Well then things changed :twisted:

xheat

PamSwynford
31st December 2016, 10:45
These odds are so wrong. xlol

tuorem
31st December 2016, 18:56
These odds are so wrong. xlol

Odds are - by their very definition - odd :lol:

Charly
31st December 2016, 20:09
Odds are - by their very definition - odd :lol:

Betfair must of been either bribed or drunk at the time :lol:

tuorem
1st January 2017, 13:43
Betfair must of been either bribed or drunk at the time :lol:

True :lol: We know it won't look anything like that in May.

By the way, thank you for updating us about odds. We only have one non-revamped entry so far, but it'll be interesting to retrospectively analyse the progress of the bets. :)

Charly
2nd January 2017, 16:41
will update the odds after the first show of Rising Star ends

John1
2nd January 2017, 17:50
::uk might not be placed as high as it currently is... :lol:

Charly
3rd January 2017, 20:19
After the first show of Rising Star

1. France 10.5 -> 4.5
2. Greece 5.8 -> 4.5
3. Malta 4.5 -> 5.6
4. Sweden 5.8 -> 6.8
5. Russia 6.8 -> 7.2
6. Montenegro 4.5 -> 10.5
7. Armenia 10.5 -> 11
8. Australia 12.8 -> 11
9. Georgia 34 -> 11.8
10. Estonia 14.2 -> 16.6
11. Norway 18.6 -> 18
12. Ukraine 14 -> 20
13. Finland 21
14. Denmark 21 -> 25
15. Belarus 52 -> 26
16. Slovenia 17.6 -> 28
17. Netherlands 28
18. Italy 28
19. Poland 22 -> 28
20. United Kingdom 29
21. Serbia 38 -> 29
22. Romania 29 -> 32
23. Azerbaijan 26 -> 34
24. Germany 30 -> 38
25. Ireland 38
26. Spain 27 -> 42
27. Belgium 46 -> 42
28. Hungary 32 -> 44
29. Iceland 46 -> 44
30. Cyprus 48
31. Israel 44 -> 57
32. Latvia 46 -> 62
33. Austria 62
34. Czech Republic 62
35. Moldova 62 -> 67
36. Lithuania 52 -> 67
37. Croatia 57 -> 67
38. Bulgaria 57 -> 67
39. Albania 57 -> 67
40. Switzerland 67 -> 71
41. Macedonia 71 -> 86
42. Portugal 95
43. San Marino 95

neinnein
3rd January 2017, 22:15
OMG. What happened to Malta and Montenegro? :D I would love such result.

MyHeartIsYours
4th January 2017, 22:52
I thought Sweden would be the favourite at this point.

Kaz
8th January 2017, 07:33
How are Belarus' odds so high? There are literally no good songs in their selection.

John1
10th January 2017, 15:20
How are Belarus' odds so high? There are literally no good songs in their selection.

Some of them might be revamped right after the Belarusian NF.

Charly
10th January 2017, 18:02
Here is a update after couple shows going on in Lithuania and Israel

1. Russia 7.2 -> 6.5
2. Sweden 6.8 -> 6.5
3. Montenegro 10.5
4. Australia 11 -> 11.8
5. Estonia 16.6 -> 20
6. Norway 18 -> 20
7. Ukraine 20 -> 22
8. Finland 21 -> 24
9. Armenia 11 -> 27
10. Greece 4.5 -> 28
11. Denmark 25 -> 28
12. Slovenia 17.6 -> 28
13. United Kingdom 29
14. Italy 28 -> 30
15. Poland 28 -> 32
16. Azerbaijan 34 -> 32
17. Belarus 26 -> 34
18. Netherlands 28 -> 34
19. Malta 5.6 -> 40
20. Iceland 44
21. France 4.5 -> 46
22. Spain 42 -> 48
23. Germany 38 -> 48
24. Serbia 29 -> 48
25. Romania 32 -> 48
26. Ireland 38 -> 52
27. Moldova 67 -> 52
28. Bulgaria 67 -> 58
29. Israel 57
30. Latvia 62
31. Georgia 11.8 -> 62
32. Portugal 95 -> 62
33. Cyprus 48 -> 67
34. Hungary 44 -> 71
35. Switzerland 71
36. Macedonia 86 -> 71
37. Belgium 42 -> 76
38. Lithuania 67 -> 76
39. Austria 62 -> 90
40. Czech Republic 62 -> 90
41. Croatia 67 -> 95
42. Albania 67 -> 95
43. San Marino 95 -> 124

DanielLuis
10th January 2017, 20:40
At this point Portugal is already as low as 32 on the odds, we were 95 all the time before. We are almost in the top ten, what the hell has happened for this to change so much in one day? I need to savour this while I can, which means I need to savour this while the bookmakers remain clueless and the Portuguese song isn't revealed :lol:

Kaz
20th January 2017, 12:21
These are the weirdest odds, I can't believe that Montenegro, Bulgaria and Portugal are all in the top 5. I wonder if something amazing like that could actually happen at Eurovision. :lol:

DanielLuis
20th January 2017, 16:27
These are the weirdest odds, I can't believe that Montenegro, Bulgaria and Portugal are all in the top 5. I wonder if something amazing like that could actually happen at Eurovision. :lol:

Well Bulgaria did just finish in the top 5 last year. I would be here for it xheat

Ezio
12th February 2017, 12:33
Betfair:

1. ::it
2. ::se
3. ::ru
4. ::au
5. ::gr

13. ::fr
15. ::fi
16. ::uk
30. ::ch
34. ::al ::by ::ge
37. ::de
39. ::es

Matt
12th February 2017, 19:18
Poor Germany and Spain.......no surprise though

dogmeat
14th February 2017, 14:47
I shouldn't have neglected betting during the NF period. I could've caught Italy at much better odds. Still, 100€ at 7.8 ain't bad, considering it's down to 5 now and will probably continue to shorten :D

Matt
25th February 2017, 20:54
If it were up to the odds, the following countries would qualify..btw calm down, this is the Odds thread we're just having fun.

SF1
1. Sweden
2. Australia
3. Greece
4. Azerbaijan
5. Armenia
6. Iceland
7. Poland
8. Finland
9. Georgia
10. Cyprus

11. Portugal
12. Latvia
13. Belgium
14. Czech Republic
15. Montenegro
16. Moldova
17. Slovenia
18. Albania

SF2
1. Russia
2. Romania
3. Bulgaria
4. Estonia
5. The Netherlands
6. Denmark
7. Serbia
8. Ireland
9. Norway
10. Israel


11. Lithuania
12. Hungary
13. Switzerland
14. Malta
15. Belarus
16. Croatia
17. San Marino
18. Austria
19. FYR Macedonia

AshleyWright
7th March 2017, 18:50
http://i.imgur.com/a8AjFQS.jpg

Placing my bet on the Republicans to win esc this year.

whiteshoes
7th March 2017, 19:55
http://i.imgur.com/a8AjFQS.jpg

Placing my bet on the Republicans to win esc this year.

The dance choreo looks impressing. Looks like a safe bet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g

SwedishFailurez
7th March 2017, 20:46
The dance choreo looks impressing. Looks like a safe bet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g

http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/47/480x446/gallery-1479745360-trump-gif.gif

ParadiseES
7th March 2017, 21:42
http://i.imgur.com/a8AjFQS.jpg

Placing my bet on the Republicans to win esc this year.

BIG WIN!

Schlagerman1
7th March 2017, 21:45
BIG WIN!

*HUUUUUUUUUUUGE win!

Matt
7th March 2017, 21:48
It's going to be a TREMENDOUS win

0scar
7th March 2017, 22:28
Netherlands second?

EscGeek
8th March 2017, 01:34
The Republicans had a cover round similar like in Germany...these two were in the superfinal:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Wde1fFvPg

ZoboCamel
8th March 2017, 05:31
Whoa, there's suddenly quite a lot of hype around Belgium, isn't there? They've shot rather quickly to 2nd place in the odds. Here's everyone currently at odds of 40/1 or under, i.e. those considered to at least have a respectable chance of taking the win:

http://i.imgur.com/ZKUAsl4.png

You might notice I've put a little on Italy... I noticed their odds lengthening this morning after Belgium's release and couldn't help myself :lol: I've got a bunch of other bets already placed but most of them are on MF, top 10s, etc. right now.

aef
8th March 2017, 10:01
The dance choreo looks impressing. Looks like a safe bet


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g

Ok so now I've seen everything in my life... Goodbye

gippa
8th March 2017, 10:57
The Republicans had a cover round similar like in Germany...these two were in the superfinal:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8Wde1fFvPg

I would have surely voted BIGLY for them if they had brought Weird Al along. (not sure I get the right English tenses here :lol:, sorry for that :oops:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBF6h7oH5I

Charly
14th March 2017, 15:39
https://snag.gy/FUiC0M.jpg

https://snag.gy/ne3Jf1.jpg

DanielLuis
14th March 2017, 17:42
It's funny how Portugal is 4th to win the whole thing, and yet it's only 7th to qualify. It kinda shows the nature of the entry: it's either gonna be a flop or a big success.

Alaska49
15th March 2017, 03:08
i am INTRIGUED that finland is the last qualifier of semi 1 if odds got it right. in my mind they were absolutely deader than all but slovenia. lol @ slovenia's odds btw. #justice4raiven

Chorizo
15th March 2017, 11:36
i am INTRIGUED that finland is the last qualifier of semi 1 if odds got it right. in my mind they were absolutely deader than all but slovenia. lol @ slovenia's odds btw. #justice4raiven

Austria is 11th while Russia will qualify according to the odds. :?

Alaska49
15th March 2017, 14:57
i think odds are just hesitant to discard russia since: russia. if i recall correctly odds weren't harsh on greece last year either.

ZoboCamel
15th March 2017, 15:22
i think odds are just hesitant to discard russia since: russia. if i recall correctly odds weren't harsh on greece last year either.

I can't remember the entire timeline but from memory their qualification odds were around evens (i.e. 2, or 50% predicted qual chance) following the song reveal, drifted out to 4 or 5 for most of the pre-season, then settled at around 3 following rehearsals. Russia's sitting at 1.5 currently - which is to say, a predicted 67% chance of qualifying - so they're already doing a lot better than Greece 2016 in that regard. I'm by no means saying they're a guaranteed qualifier (personally I think they'll sneak through in 7th or something, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them NQ), just that the odds are being kinder to them than they were to Greece last year.

Alaska49
15th March 2017, 15:30
thabk you for the info!! post-reveal 2/1 odds is not very harsh for a song that ended up third to last in the semifinal, so i believe russia is not at all safe considering their odds standards. let's see what happens for the next four or five weeks.

EscGeek
15th March 2017, 23:00
okay i know switzerland and slovenia have a "reputation" but in all honesty, they both have one of the better songs this year xshrug

and i'm not biased at all...in the final, i gave away 5 votes (which is something i don't do every year,but this year rtvslo really did their best) to 5 of my favorites and omar was one of them 8-)
"lights with guide you through...." line is awful, i'll give you that, but i love everything else really xlisten2

and about switzerland...the song is one of their best ever! Timebelle is EPIC! xlove

DanielLuis
19th March 2017, 23:22
Some bookmakers have opened the market "Will the wrong winner be announced in the Grand Final?" :lol:

FilipFromSweden
20th March 2017, 01:36
Some bookmakers have opened the market "Will the wrong winner be announced in the Grand Final?" :lol:

Oh my God! You have to link it to me, I'm going to become rich. Even if there would be the wrong results announced EBU would never dare to announce it, they would just go with it

DanielLuis
20th March 2017, 01:41
Oh my God! You have to link it to me, I'm going to become rich. Even if there would be the wrong results announced EBU would never dare to announce it, they would just go with it

I saw it on the Specials page on eurovision world:

http://eurovisionworld.com/?odds=eurovision-specials

The value for 'No' is 1.01 :lol:

Romeo
20th March 2017, 01:53
i am INTRIGUED that finland is the last qualifier of semi 1 if odds got it right. in my mind they were absolutely deader than all but slovenia. lol @ slovenia's odds btw. #justice4raiven

I think Finland 2017 could do a Netherlands 2014

ParadiseES
20th March 2017, 01:54
Biggest surprise for me is how well Bulgaria is doing. I mean, it's a good song, but it's not a top-5 and probably not even a top-10. And it's not Sweden, Russia, Australia or a country which usually gets good results. They just came 4th last year with a killer song. Period.

Alaska49
20th March 2017, 02:36
I think Finland 2017 could do a Netherlands 2014i would love if finland achieved that but i still can't see it advancing? ugh semi 1 wasting qualification spots on shit like australia and sweden </3


Biggest surprise for me is how well Bulgaria is doing. I mean, it's a good song, but it's not a top-5 and probably not even a top-10. And it's not Sweden, Russia, Australia or a country which usually gets good results. They just came 4th last year with a killer song. Period.it's not just the song, even though it is obviously a top 5 kind of song. kristian also has huge televote appeal, especially for young viewers, even beyond his built-in fanbase which isn't even limited to bulgaria and neighbours. bulgaria absolutely made a big move here. they want to win.

ParadiseES
20th March 2017, 02:46
i would love if finland achieved that but i still can't see it advancing? ugh semi 1 wasting qualification spots on shit like australia and sweden </3

it's not just the song, even though it is obviously a top 5 kind of song. kristian also has huge televote appeal, specially for young viewers, even beyond his built-in fanbase which isn't even limited to bulgaria and neighbours. bulgaria absolutely made a big move here. they want to win.

- "Black bird" doesn't have 0,000001% of potential CATS had.

- I've never heard about Kristian before and I'm sure most Europeans either. Eurovision audience is not that young, not usually the typical viewers who would vote for Biebers, boy bands disastrous results so far prove it.

Smudy
20th March 2017, 02:51
- Kristian is a great live singer and performer
- Supposedly, the official video will be artistic and really unique
- There will be a very good effort put into the staging
- This is a song that will work very well live
- Kristian is young, looks young and therefore his voice will have even more impact

Alaska49
20th March 2017, 02:58
- I've never heard about Kristian before and I'm sure most Europeans either. Eurovision audience is not that young, not usually the typical viewers who would vote for Biebers, boy bands disastrous results so far prove it.i mean you are from spain lol. kristian was a finalist in the voice kids russia, and we all know the voice is a big deal there. his videos always have a lot of non-bulgarian comments.

also we don't get guys from kristian's demographic on eurovision to truly have a reference on the impact of young viewers, which i think can be sizable. i mean i GUESS nadav guedj was the same age in 2015 but homeboy looks older than me who is 8 years older, so

midnightsun
20th March 2017, 13:43
I HOPE Kristian is doing well because I really like this song, but I'm afraid that Beautiful Mess is one of the biggest fails this year.

The artists are always rewarded with points from their original countries or country they're well known in, so this might help Kristian I hope :-)

Chorizo
21st March 2017, 22:11
Germany and Spain are doing really good here:
http://eurovisionworld.com/?odds=finish-last

Kaz
22nd March 2017, 14:59
If anyone cares, I've been tallying up points from various YouTube tops. I'm at about 130 right now, and these are the current rankings:


01. 818 - Italy ::it
02. 638 - Belgium ::be
03. 423 - Azerbaijan ::az
04. 422 - France ::fr
05. 369 - Sweden ::se
06. 343 - Macedonia ::mk
07. 311 - Denmark ::dk
08. 280 - Estonia ::ee
09. 243 - Bulgaria ::bg
10. 238 - Israel ::il
11. 236 - Switzerland ::ch
12. 213 - Serbia ::rs
13. 195 - Hungary ::hu
14. 171 - Latvia ::lv
15. 168 - Finland ::fi
16. 161 - Cyprus ::cy
17. 156 - Poland ::pl
18. 149 - Armenia ::am
19. 147 - Iceland ::is
20. 139 - Belarus ::by
21. 132 - Australia ::au
22. 130 - Albania ::al
23. 129 - Greece ::gr
24. 125 - Portugal ::pt
25. 124 - Norway ::no
26. 122 - Ireland ::ie
27. 112 - Romania ::ro
28. 108 - Netherlands ::nl
29. 068 - Russia ::ru
30. 067 - Ukraine ::ua
31. 061 - Croatia ::hr
32. 054 - Montenegro ::me
33. 049 - United Kingdom ::uk
34. 046 - San Marino ::sm
35. 043 - Moldova ::md
36. 037 - Georgia ::ge
37. 032 - Austria ::at
38. 024 - Germany ::de
39. 020 - Czechia ::cz
40. 019 - Lithuania ::lt
41. 017 - Slovenia ::sl
42. 016 - Malta ::mt
43. 014 - Spain ::es

I'm amazed at how close 14-28 are. I guess qualification is gonna be really unpredictable.

DanielLuis
22nd March 2017, 23:28
Youtube tops are the most unrealiable way of predicting anything ever.

EscUKFan
23rd March 2017, 00:50
Didn't Spain win most YouTube tops last year?

JonnyWest
23rd March 2017, 01:49
I remember Greta Salomé being one of the favourites as well :rolleyes:

Vektor
24th March 2017, 03:51
Bulgaria is slowly climbing, it's 2nd right now on Oddschecker. The bookies probably think that Beautiful Mess is this year's Sound of Silence, it can win the jury vote.

Chorizo
24th March 2017, 08:36
Bulgaria is slowly climbing, it's 2nd right now on Oddschecker. The bookies probably think that Beautiful Mess is this year's Sound of Silence, it can win the jury vote.

Also the Russian diaspora vote.

Alaska49
24th March 2017, 14:30
i don't think the russian diaspora will necessarily vote for kristian just because he was born in russia and appeared in a russian tv show? i'm not sure of its impact for russians outside russia. but also his song is super competent so maybe he'll get those votes regardless.

DanielLuis
24th March 2017, 16:20
i don't think the russian diaspora will necessarily vote for kristian just because he was born in russia and appeared in a russian tv show? i'm not sure of its impact for russians outside russia. but also his song is super competent so maybe he'll get those votes regardless.

They probably won't even know he took part in The Voice Kids Russia unless the commentators of the country they're in mention it in the broadcast xshrug

Jif
8th May 2017, 00:17
Did you guys place any bets?

Charly
13th May 2017, 10:19
Portugal overtakes Italy in the odds

Realest
6th July 2017, 01:54
After the first show of Rising Star

1. France 10.5 -> 4.5
2. Greece 5.8 -> 4.5
3. Malta 4.5 -> 5.6
4. Sweden 5.8 -> 6.8
5. Russia 6.8 -> 7.2
6. Montenegro 4.5 -> 10.5
7. Armenia 10.5 -> 11
8. Australia 12.8 -> 11
9. Georgia 34 -> 11.8
10. Estonia 14.2 -> 16.6
11. Norway 18.6 -> 18
12. Ukraine 14 -> 20
13. Finland 21
14. Denmark 21 -> 25
15. Belarus 52 -> 26
16. Slovenia 17.6 -> 28
17. Netherlands 28
18. Italy 28
19. Poland 22 -> 28
20. United Kingdom 29
21. Serbia 38 -> 29
22. Romania 29 -> 32
23. Azerbaijan 26 -> 34
24. Germany 30 -> 38
25. Ireland 38
26. Spain 27 -> 42
27. Belgium 46 -> 42
28. Hungary 32 -> 44
29. Iceland 46 -> 44
30. Cyprus 48
31. Israel 44 -> 57
32. Latvia 46 -> 62
33. Austria 62
34. Czech Republic 62
35. Moldova 62 -> 67
36. Lithuania 52 -> 67
37. Croatia 57 -> 67
38. Bulgaria 57 -> 67
39. Albania 57 -> 67
40. Switzerland 67 -> 71
41. Macedonia 71 -> 86
42. Portugal 95
43. San Marino 95


That was a good Joke.