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Jacketh
15th May 2016, 13:40
I don't anticipate much discussion about this, but unless I'm completely missing something that has been built since 2005, it seems like we'll be back at The Palace of Sports (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Sports,_Kiev) :?

Ugly ass building. But hey, I suppose its Kiev, and I hope they can do a good job with the staging and whatnot. I can't say I remember much of the 2005 staging or presentation, I was only 7. It was the first Eurovision I can vaguely remember watching! :D

http://photos.wikimapia.org/p/00/03/46/69/08_big.jpg

https://toursnlodging.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/palace-of-sports-kyiv02.jpg

http://muse.mu/ugc-1/fanphoto/photo/1269/30993_big.jpg

Its a shame none of their football stadiums (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_stadiums_in_Ukraine) have a roof that can convert it into an arena setting. :(

ivanich
15th May 2016, 14:46
Here's an example of how live shows in Palace of Sports look like nowadays:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sqNEleqCNg

IMO, it's not anywhere that bad.

Quent91
15th May 2016, 17:52
As long as the building doesn't collapse, it's ok if it can hold such an international event as the ESC.

AlekS
15th May 2016, 19:05
A former NTU vice president and the Head of "Ukraina" concert hall hinted that ESC can be hosted by Kyiv OR by another city.
Kyiv is not the only option. A temporary (or not) venue-hangar can be built in 100 days by Epicenter company (big commercial corporation in trading/building) "with any capacity you want".


Ugly ass building.
If ESC was hosted by a former shipyard ...
http://i.imgur.com/LV9uqHX.jpg
:rolleyes: (and it was gr8 inside)

Instead of speculating I'm gonna wait for official info.
Personally I like the new hangar idea.

DanielLuis
15th May 2016, 19:57
The former NTU vice president and the Head of "Ukraina" concert hall hinted that ESC can be hosted by Kyiv OR by another city.
Kyiv is not the only option. A temporary (or not) venue-hangar can be built in 100 days by Epicenter company (big commercial corporation in trading/building) "with any capacity you want".


If ESC was hosted by a former shipyard ...
http://i.imgur.com/LV9uqHX.jpg
:rolleyes: (and it was gr8 inside)

Instead of speculating I'm gonna wait for official info.
Personally I like the new hangar idea.

That's true, no one will ever beat Denmark 2014 in the 'ugly ass bulding' department :lol: What matters is what is inside though and the 2014 stage was great.

AlekS
15th May 2016, 21:15
Jamala supports Kyiv, Lviv & Odesa.

The mayors of Kyiv, Odesa and Dnipro are in the game now. Most def Lviv too.

Kyiv
http://i.imgur.com/j5n2shd.jpg

Odesa
http://i.imgur.com/r5MJCBV.jpg

Dnipro
http://i.imgur.com/Yg1DfNG.jpg

Lviv
http://i.imgur.com/PfNYfzZ.jpg



Lara Fabian:
http://i.imgur.com/k7IemVC.jpg

I'd like Lviv to host ESC. A temporary venue that will be given to athletes after ESC is my old dream.
In reality it will be Kyiv most def.

Mii11
15th May 2016, 21:30
Lviv xheart

AshleyWright
15th May 2016, 22:03
All of them look like they'd be great choices, but i'd probably go with Lviv or Odessa. Either of them would be the best choice. :D

AlekS
15th May 2016, 22:19
The mayor of Lviv has just confirmed that they want to host ESC :D

If Lviv Arena can't get a roof there's another option - the basketball arena with 15 000 capacity (slightly more for concerts).
They've already started construction work & it won't be a problem to finish it in a year.
It's gonna look like this:
http://i.imgur.com/faI3CF3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/g1jVHzp.jpg

He has already had talks with the specialists & confirmed that they can make it in time for ESC.

anto475
15th May 2016, 23:22
Lviv would be Lvovely!! But I'm guessing we'll be back in the Palace of Sports. And tbh the 2005 stage was one of my all-time favourites so I'm confident NTU can deliver a brilliant stage!

Salmon
15th May 2016, 23:25
That basketball venue seems like it's going to look gorgeous, I'd love seeing Lviv or Odessa hosting the show.

SpZ
15th May 2016, 23:37
Supporting Lviv... probably biased though as I used to live there...

Jacketh
16th May 2016, 00:30
Lviv looks perfect!

I disagree about Denmark...I fell like that warehouse had its own charm about it :D

Alevender
16th May 2016, 00:45
::ua is full of wonderful places, though the best choice, imo, would be Lviv. Supporting Lviv!

AlekS
16th May 2016, 12:54
Adviser to the Minister of Infrastructure: "But I hope that this time it won't be Kyiv and it will be a regional center".

Jacketh
16th May 2016, 13:26
I think we've all established that Basketball Arena in Lviv would be perfect.

#Lviv2017 it will be, surely! They even have an Airport there. :)

AlekS
16th May 2016, 14:51
Klitschko strikes back.

Kyiv city confirmed they can add a temporary roof to the Olympic Stadium.

http://i.imgur.com/6ikg6Wx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TX0zGrh.jpg

Capacity for big concerts: 50 000+

AlekS
16th May 2016, 15:16
http://i.imgur.com/QcF5TaB.jpg
ps. I consider whoring for VIP package:
https://media.giphy.com/media/LnG4RSrqhUikg/giphy.gif

AshleyWright
16th May 2016, 15:42
Jesus, that would be one hell of a eurovision to match 2011.

Jacketh
16th May 2016, 15:50
Klitschko strikes back.

Kyiv city confirmed they can add a temporary roof to the Olympic Stadium.

http://i.imgur.com/6ikg6Wx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TX0zGrh.jpg

Capacity for big concerts: 50 000+

I never thought I'd see the day where an ex-Heavyweight Champion of the World is trying to give us a fantastic Eurovision... not being stereotypical or anything :D

WhoKnows
16th May 2016, 16:43
Klitschko strikes back.

Kyiv city confirmed they can add a temporary roof to the Olympic Stadium.

http://i.imgur.com/6ikg6Wx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TX0zGrh.jpg

Capacity for big concerts: 50 000+

Can Eurovision fill an arena of 50K+ though? Haven't most of the arenas of the last few years been in the 10K-15K range?

Either way, I can't imagine them having it anywhere but Kyiv.

AlekS
16th May 2016, 17:18
^ approx. 30 000 in Germany.
+ the green room & techies will reduce it to 40-45 000 imo.

Jacketh
16th May 2016, 17:20
How did it work in regards to the dress rehearsals in Germany? How many were open to the public?

I couldn't imagine having so many shows with such a huge stadium!

AlekS
16th May 2016, 17:30
According to rumours the ESC venue will be chosen until July 15 & finalized in the end of summer-beginning of September.

ChrisOL
16th May 2016, 18:18
The Olympic Stadium would be great for a big stage, but maybe it would be too big... They could use only one half and maybe the rest for a big greenroom or maybe parts of the stadium for the press center. They have 70K for football matches, and even 50k in my opinion would be too big for Eurovision. Don't know if it's really to big, but it would be interesting to see Eurovision in a big venue.

CPV4931
16th May 2016, 18:26
How did it work in regards to the dress rehearsals in Germany? How many were open to the public?

I couldn't imagine having so many shows with such a huge stadium!

As far as I remember only the Jury Dress rehearsal for the Grand Final, which was almost sold out just like the Grand Final (because there was a huge hype around ESC in 2011).
In the semi finals the arena wasn´t even close to be sold out (but the Semi Finals aren´t that popular in Germany because we´re Big 5, not so many peopole here know that they even exist).

ivanich
16th May 2016, 21:20
Can Eurovision fill an arena of 50K+ though? Haven't most of the arenas of the last few years been in the 10K-15K range?

Either way, I can't imagine them having it anywhere but Kyiv.

Here's full NSC Olimpiyskiy at Okean Elzy concert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLPe_jGmxq0

So yes, probably it could be filled up for the final.

anto475
16th May 2016, 21:28
If they have in Olimpiyskiy then they'd want to avoid the horrors of Parken with terrible acoustics and an ugly af stage. They could always divide the stadium in two and use one half as a performance area and the other half as press centre/greenroom/backstage

MyHeartIsYours
17th May 2016, 01:51
I wouldn't mind another city hosting, but the Olimpiyskiy at Kyiv is just too good not to support. There is nothing like a concert in a stadium, I've always wanted Eurovision to go to one.

I don't think no roof should be automatically dismissed, I think it could be quite a nice twist to have it open-air! But a roof over is better for televising the contest. I went to see One Direction at the City of Manchester Stadium (no roof) and Cardiff Millennium Stadium (with roof) and the acoustics were far better with the roof in place.

SpZ
17th May 2016, 12:31
I wouldn't mind another city hosting, but the Olimpiyskiy at Kyiv is just too good not to support. There is nothing like a concert in a stadium, I've always wanted Eurovision to go to one.

I don't think no roof should be automatically dismissed, I think it could be quite a nice twist to have it open-air! But a roof over is better for televising the contest. I went to see One Direction at the City of Manchester Stadium (no roof) and Cardiff Millennium Stadium (with roof) and the acoustics were far better with the roof in place.

I am not sure how many people would like to be there when it is raining for 4 hours and the tv people say they can't take umbrellas and stuff with them.

AlekS
17th May 2016, 21:56
NTU has already received the technical rider (the 1st part). The EBU will send everything else until the end of the week.

NTU will send these demands to all the candidates and after that the EBU representative together with NTU bosses will visit every city.
After that the Head of NTU will choose the host city/venue.
Once again he hinted that it's rather between Lviv & Kyiv. There was a hint that one of them can host the NF.

A-lister
18th May 2016, 02:03
I would go for Lviv this time around.

It's probably the most "tourist friendly / visitor friendly" city in Ukraine with the biggest potential of attracting visitors from the rest of Europe and abroad, and I think NTU and politicians are aware of this and want to take this opportunity to market the country, which is very needed right now. Lviv has the potential to be a tourist attraction similar to Prague or Krakow for sure, it's also the city closest to northern, central and western Europe with a ready arena and international airport.

I highly doubt Dnipro or even Odessa would be picked.

Jacketh
18th May 2016, 10:21
I am not sure how many people would like to be there when it is raining for 4 hours and the tv people say they can't take umbrellas and stuff with them.

Absolutely. I can understand why they want a roof - both the weather and the sound. :D

I would worry about the Kviv Stadium though... does anyone else think it could be too big and a bit overwhelming?

AlekS
18th May 2016, 12:21
I was right)) The confirmed capacity for Eurovision at the Olympic Stadium is 40 000 or slightly lower.
They want to place Euroclub there as well. If that venue gets selected of course.

EBU representative will arrive in Ukraine in a 3 weeks.

Gr8 news. Low-cost airline Wizz Air will add more flights (this is not connected with ESC but very in time).


http://i.imgur.com/WbWQTas.jpg
I'd like them to light up the arena with everyone's flags. There are more than 45 sections.

AlekS
18th May 2016, 13:11
The minister of Culture supported the Olympic Stadium: "This is the only suitable venue for Eurovision".

According to him the existing roof's area (this is where the technical equipment will be attached to/replaced with the current one) can be increased without building/adding anything. The existing system allows to do that. Then they will cover the missing space in the center with a membrane.

If the technical rider allows that ... we have the winner :lol:



He hopes that the ticket prices won't be very expensive because of big quantity of spectacors.

MyHeartIsYours
18th May 2016, 14:31
^ Sounds fantastic! It would be so amazing to have such a big crowd for Eurovision - I hope that the stage isn't too big though, Moscow 2009 made the mistake of having the stage along a whole length of the arena, and it looks too big when there's only 6 people on it.

Jacketh
18th May 2016, 15:27
It does seem likely that we'll probably see more and more bigger venues down the years, 20,000+ plus... I think that should maybe open up a debate for the six person rule, as, yeah, it can look very silly on a big stage.

Saying that, a lot of the 20,000+ venues are fully booked and won't be given to Eurovision because of the timescale. I have no idea where we'd host in the UK in May, as Eurovision certainly wouldn't be getting the 02 Arena to itself for 6-7 weeks, and it wouldn't most London venues.

AlekS
18th May 2016, 16:10
http://i.imgur.com/6OXJJEs.jpg
Their membrane weights only 1 kg/m² and it can carry 3 tons/m² :o

So I guess there shouldn't be any probs with equipment & roof.

QwaarJet
18th May 2016, 16:29
My only concern is the sound in such a large stadium. The echo could be pretty bad.

JamieBrown
18th May 2016, 16:35
I'm supporting Lviv. I hope they can come up with a venue, even if it's not the basketball arena.

anto475
18th May 2016, 22:01
My only concern is the sound in such a large stadium. The echo could be pretty bad.

They came up with a technology (http://escreporter.com/danish-invention-to-ensure-great-acoustics-for-eurovision-2014/) to stop this in Copenhagen in 2014, because there was a similar concern in the B&W Hallerne, especially after the contest in Parken. I'm sure it could be easily installed in the Olimpiyskiy

LesterMalvo
18th May 2016, 22:43
Host city will be announced by the end of summer.

EliGrant6
19th May 2016, 00:26
I like the idea of Lviv Arena hosting, and couldn't they use a similar method used by the Olympic Stadium in Sochi for the 2014 Olympics to cover the roof? I'm not sure if they technique worked because of the Fisht stadium's design or if it would be affordable, but I still think if a roof could be put on it, Lviv Arena would be the best venue for Eurovision 2017.

https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2014/02/Fisht-Olympic-Stadium-by-Populous-for-Sochi-2014-winter-games_dezeen_ss_2_784.jpg

EliGrant6
19th May 2016, 00:38
The mayor of Lviv has just confirmed that they want to host ESC :D

If Lviv Arena can't get a roof there's another option - the basketball arena with 15 000 capacity (slightly more for concerts).
They've already started construction work & it won't be a problem to finish it in a year.
It's gonna look like this:
http://i.imgur.com/faI3CF3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/g1jVHzp.jpg

He has already had talks with the specialists & confirmed that they can make it in time for ESC.

I wish I had read this first, lol.
I think they can stop the search now, the Lviv Basketball Arena looks perfect and the capacity seems to be the perfect size.

AuroraBorealis
19th May 2016, 00:40
They came up with a technology (http://escreporter.com/danish-invention-to-ensure-great-acoustics-for-eurovision-2014/) to stop this in Copenhagen in 2014, because there was a similar concern in the B&W Hallerne, especially after the contest in Parken. I'm sure it could be easily installed in the Olimpiyskiy

It doesn't sound that great on the youtube clips though :?

AlekS
20th May 2016, 12:29
It's safe to say that the Sports Palace (aka "ugly ass building" :lol: ) withdrew from the race.

It has just been chosen to host the 2017 Ice Hockey World Championship (Division I, Group A) in April 22-28.


As of now we have 3 candidates that meet all potential EBU demands:


Kyiv, The Olympic Stadium (temporary roof)
Lviv, Eurobasket Arena (it will be built by 2017)
Dnipro, Eurobasket Arena (it will be built by 2017)




Lviv & Dnipro venues look equally unfinished.
Lviv for instance: http://i.imgur.com/vCf3rXg.jpg

AlekS
21st May 2016, 13:47
Lviv officials had negotiations as for covering Lviv Arena with a temporary roof. Lviv is going to present 2 venues.
Imho the only negative quality of Lviv Arena is that it's far from the center.

Kyiv added 1 more venue. They can build the new transform-arena in 7 months. They've got investors for every project.

hufus
24th May 2016, 15:24
If it's built in time, Lviv's basketball arena seems like a great choice.

AlekS
24th May 2016, 18:15
The 2nd venue in Kyiv actually is far from the center so the Olympic Stadium would be the only serious option.

Lviv will finish building the Eurobasket Arena in 8 months. According to their mayor.
It's hot/warm until December so it won't hurt inner workings. However it's risky.

AlekS
24th May 2016, 20:56
The Ministry of Youth and Sports that owns the Sports Palace and the Olympic Stadium chose the Olympic Stadium for Kyiv.

"The TV signal quality is better than EBU demands".


It's up to the National Commission to decide but this will add few points to the Olympic Stadium imo.

nofuxCZ
25th May 2016, 00:55
I fully support Lviv! xcheer would be amazing host city and I would probably go too, since it's quite close

AlekS
26th May 2016, 20:56
Here to deny that fake about the Olympic Stadium. Read the original Klitchko's interview, hoes! xfacepalm

Moreover it's still unofficial #1 candidate for Kyiv.
It will take a few months to cover it with the roof. And €10-20 million approx. (just my assumption based on official papers).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJqVfr-T-gI


If they choose to resurrect Kyiv Arena project it will take 6-7 months and €70 million.
http://sportanalytic.com/uploads/images/default/3707_kiev1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVh1h_io_JQ
Capacity: 20 000 (14 000 approx. for ESC).
Much more expensive but it will be the only indoor arena in Ukraine with such capacity. + having just 1 Sports Palace is not enough for our sport.


If they select the Sports Palace it will be renovated (according to Klitschko).


ps. The Head of NTU arrived in Lviv (Lviv Arena). Had a brief meeting with the mayor most def.

AlekS
30th May 2016, 20:01
http://1vaic8a7w6ns9zkz1pe1iv8q.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/themes/freesupertips/assets/images/icon-betfair.png
http://i.imgur.com/CQbVnEw.jpg

AlekS
1st June 2016, 15:09
The organizing committee has been formed.
Judging from its members Lviv & Kyiv have equal chances imo.

NTU has just had a meeting with EBU representatives.
http://i.imgur.com/HQGjdoN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XfDlWvm.jpg

AlekS
12th June 2016, 11:46
Lviv Arena yesterday during Okean Elzy concert:
http://i.imgur.com/eET5OAV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zNhRvVj.jpg
I was listening to the radio broadcast and the acoustics was perfect.



Meanwhile the LGBT pride has just ended in Kyiv:
http://i.imgur.com/fdYenOU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EEwT7Un.jpg

The 2nd pride in our history. 2000+ participants (the record). Lots of police and no serious provocations :D
40 detained bullies from anti-pride camp. The 1st time when police detains them. The new police rocks.
Straight guys who supported the pride rock too 8-) Deputies, soldiers from the war, jiu-jitsu champion etc.

AuroraBorealis
12th June 2016, 16:40
Lviv Arena yesterday during Okean Elzy concert:
http://i.imgur.com/eET5OAV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zNhRvVj.jpg
I was listening to the radio broadcast and the acoustics was perfect.



Meanwhile the LGBT pride has just ended in Kyiv:
http://i.imgur.com/fdYenOU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EEwT7Un.jpg

The 2nd pride in our history. 2000+ participants (the record). Lots of police and no serious provocations :D
40 detained bullies from anti-pride camp. The 1st time when police detains them. The new police rocks.
Straight guys rock too 8-) Deputies, soldiers from the war, jiu-jitsu champion etc.

I'm so happy for Ukraine and the LGBT community living there. I hope this message of positivity can spread to your neighbours :D

Sabiondo
19th June 2016, 23:19
We know the wiwibloggs choice :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui8lo0WKmOA

Sabiondo
24th June 2016, 04:20
Tomorrow is the contest for select the host city of Eurovision 2017 and will be held at 11 am - Ukrainian hour. :) NTU will telecast the meeting here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX7_9pBGZZo

AlekS
24th June 2016, 15:13
NTU announced the contest for the candidate cities.


June 24 - July 8: Candidate cities prepare their presentations.

July 8 - July 15: NTU provides preliminary analysis of every candidate.

July 15 - July 22: The final presentation of all candidates. Organizational Committee (The OC) selects 2 obvious finalists :lol:

July 22 - August 1: The finalists will be inspected by the OC & EBU representatives. After that they will choose the winner.


Main criterias: Indoor/Covered Arena, 7 000 or more spectators. Press centre for at least 1550 journalists.

Fierro
25th June 2016, 13:20
So we have Palace of Sports again. Meh.

A-lister
29th June 2016, 19:34
So we have Palace of Sports again. Meh.

What makes you so sure? If Ukraine want to really benefit from hosting ESC this time around they would be smart in choosing Lviv for plenty of reasons.

Sabiondo
30th June 2016, 04:38
According to Andy of ESCKZ, on August 1 will know who will be host city venue in Ukraine for Eurovision 2017!!

The Culture Minister of Ukraine, Evgeny Nyshchuk also denies that the Olympic Stadium in Kiev could be used for ESC 2017 due technical difficulties, it would be impossible to bring it to the requirements of the EBU. It can be covered only temporarily and only for the rain protection, but not with the kind of roof which will allow to locate equipment there. And Sports Palace is in a very shaky condition right now, but still can be used as the place venue next year and can reach about 12-14 thousand if desired.

In general in Ukraine practically is no single venue which would fit into EBU requirements as it stands now. Will be a open competition of Ukrainian cities for determine who will be the host city for Eurovision 2017. But EBU said that each city will now prepare their presentation to see how they can their show their resources to accumulate as they can offer to fulfill all technical requirements of the EBU on infrastructure, logistics, security, location, hotels, terminals they demand, and so will determine the venue.

aardvark
30th June 2016, 22:39
The following quoted directly from the Facebook page of OGAE ROW (South Africa):


Kyiv is the first city to officially announce its interest to submit official bid to host Eurovision 2017. According to the mayor Vitaliy Klitschko there are 3 potential venues ready to host competition: Palace of Sports (10.000), Olympic stadium (70.000), International Exhibition Center (50.000).
The official bid from Kyiv will be ready by the deadline of 8 July, while at this moment city has already formed working group for the organization of the Eurovision 2017 and appointed responsible persons on different directions of preparations, such as transport, infrastructure, security etc. The meeting of the working group was attended by the representatives of Olympic Stadium and Palace of Sports.
At the same time Minister of Culture of Ukraine Yevhen Nyschuk, who originally supported idea of Olympic stadium declared it would be impossible to bring it to the requirements of the EBU. It can be covered only temporarily and only for the rain protection, but not with the kind of roof which will allow to locate equipment there.
In general, according to the Minister, there practically is no single venue which would fit into EBU requirements as it stands now. Speaking about Palace of Sports he has mentioned it being "in a very shaky condition".
According to Nyschuk, Lviv city is considering construction of the new Arena, and he thinks Kyiv also needs to construct new Concert Hall on the Dnipro river. All options remain open, for example, organization of contest in Odessa which will be "politically interesting option", and final decision will be made by the organizing committee and EBU based on fulfilment of technical criteria.
Nyschuk has stressed that the option to reject organization of competition is not considered and he remains confident that the solution will be found and approved by EBU inspection.
Deadline for the interested cities to host ESC 2017 to apply is 8 July while the winning bid should be announced on or around 1 August.


Dnipro becomes second city in Ukraine to officially declare its interest to organize Eurovision Song Contest 2017, reports NTU.
Immediately after Jamala's victory at ESC 2017 Mayor of Dnipro Boris Filatov has appealed to the Prime-Minister of Ukraine expressing city's wish to host the competition: "We have a perfect stadium "Dnipro-Arena". There is opportunity to finish construction of "Eurobasket" arena, or to do quality reconstruction of "Meteor". Both last objects are state owned and if Cabinet of Ministers will provide necessary financing, we can organize everything successfully".
According to Mayor of the city, additional accomodation capacity will be provided by cruise ships used as hotels.
Yesterday, Kyiv became the first city to officially announce it's interest to organize Eurovision 2017.

AlekS
2nd July 2016, 19:48
:!: Kyiv, Dnipro, Lviv, Odesa, Kharkiv have sent their requests as of today officially.

Kherson (LOL at this one) did that today according to rumours.
It's safe to say that Kherson is out due to complete lack of everything.
Kharkiv is a big million-city & I believe they can build anything they want but it's too close to the war zone.

AlekS
2nd July 2016, 20:16
If Lviv introduces professional plan & shows their investors we can already start congratulating them.

It seems that the Kyiv City administration refused from the Olympic Stadium idea so Lviv received carte blanche.
Unless their mayor is a stupid sissy goat :twisted:

Fierro
3rd July 2016, 12:39
If Lviv introduces professional plan & shows their investors we can already start congratulating them.

It seems that the Kyiv City administration refused from the Olympic Stadium idea so Lviv received carte blanche.
Unless their mayor is a stupid sissy goat :twisted:

I think this "competition" is for nothing and they anyway choose Kyiv. Cannot believe it'll be another city, even better one.

EliGrant6
3rd July 2016, 13:13
The following quoted directly from the Facebook page of OGAE ROW (South Africa):

If it is true that the International Exhibition Center in Kiev has a capacity of 50,000 and have a roof, why is it not considered the front runner for the Kiev bid?

Sabiondo
3rd July 2016, 15:32
If it is true that the International Exhibition Center in Kiev has a capacity of 50,000 and have a roof, why is it not considered the front runner for the Kiev bid?

That venue had a small roof and needs to be reconstructed in order to install the big stage!

EliGrant6
4th July 2016, 11:31
That venue had a small roof and needs to be reconstructed in order to install the big stage!

Well that's not good. So basically, Ukraine has no indoor arenas that are up to standard for the competition. Maybe they should take a que from Denmark and build a new multi purpose venue the the Royal Arena in Copenhagen.

ivanich
6th July 2016, 12:24
Kyiv is ready to pay for everything from its own budget. Imo, the decision has already been made.

AlekS
13th July 2016, 16:25
That venue had a small roof and needs to be reconstructed in order to install the big stage!
https://ru.yeed.me/system/pictures/images/000/058/147/original/129107038312777977437_CSC_7240.jpg?1427695776
Their roof is ok but they are a lil' bit far from the center.
Kyiv's right shore has always been more attractive.

AlekS
13th July 2016, 16:38
NTU will show the city presentations live on July 20.
Live broadcast from each candidate city/(venue?), experts in the studio etc.

The Head of NTU is driving a TV truck, gettin' ready for this event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IP8eFOBV0E

AlekS
13th July 2016, 17:15
Dnipro put a stake on Meteor Palace:
http://brokenbones.com.ua/images/places/1380383740_r635.jpg
The venue will be reconstructed if they win.


Judging by amount of secret negotiations with NTU and private (and not so private) visits to Lviv the only thing Lviv needs is to build everything in time which is quite a challenge because they flashed in the toiled the whole June & July:
https://media.giphy.com/media/inVvfuomoD31K/giphy.gif
:rolleyes:

DanielLuis
13th July 2016, 17:16
NTU are really getting into this host city contest thing. They're even making a live TV debate, milking it for all it's worth :lol:

AlekS
13th July 2016, 17:52
Kharkiv applied with Spider Metalist Stadium (temporary roof):
http://i.imgur.com/s1SAW3s.jpg


Odesa - Chernomorets Stadium (temporary roof):
https://en.yeed.me/system/pictures/images/000/078/507/original/15-3.jpg?1437734550

Lviv: Lviv Arena or unfinished Eurobasket Arena.
Dnipro: Meteor Ice Palace
Kyiv: The Sports Palace or the Olympic Stadium, The IEC.

WhoKnows
14th July 2016, 16:13
Why do I feel like it's gonna be a huge mess? Do they really need to waste 3 months on this selection process? TV show? Should've gotten a group of people who know what they're doing and decided on a city within a couple weeks of Jamala's victory. It's obviously going to be Kyiv or Lviv (MAAAYBE Odesa). Why even bother with the likes of Dnipro and Kharkiv, etc? All this time could've been spent on preparation already - which is going to be needed no matter what city they pick.

My two cents. If Lviv can guarantee that the arena will be built in time - then go there. Otherwise, keep it in Kyiv in the Palace of Sports and be done with it.

Fierro
14th July 2016, 19:03
Why do I feel like it's gonna be a huge mess? Do they really need to waste 3 months on this selection process? TV show? Should've gotten a group of people who know what they're doing and decided on a city within a couple weeks of Jamala's victory. It's obviously going to be Kyiv or Lviv (MAAAYBE Odesa). Why even bother with the likes of Dnipro and Kharkiv, etc? All this time could've been spent on preparation already - which is going to be needed no matter what city they pick.

My two cents. If Lviv can guarantee that the arena will be built in time - then go there. Otherwise, keep it in Kyiv in the Palace of Sports and be done with it.

We are not Sweden to win every 4-5 years and I don't think EBU will ever let our victory happen again. So, i think this is necessary.

DanielLuis
14th July 2016, 23:30
Yeah, because the last time you won before this was soooo long ago.

Plus, clearly every single arena needs to be worked on in order to be ready by May. That's what should be started to be arranged now, when Ukraine still has time.

WhoKnows
14th July 2016, 23:40
We are not Sweden to win every 4-5 years and I don't think EBU will ever let our victory happen again. So, i think this is necessary.

I'm not sure how that's relevant to what I said.

MyHeartIsYours
15th July 2016, 00:11
The big selection process seems to be like another effort to Olympicise Eurovision. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Ukraine showed in 2005 that Eurovision was a big thing to them and I think they will be great hosts in a great venue.

Eurovision however is definitely not worth major construction efforts so I would rule out the stadiums if I was NTU. The Olympic Stadium would have been worth putting up a makeshift roof cover, but the other stadiums not. I guess that just leaves the Palace of Sports.

Fierro
15th July 2016, 02:26
The big selection process seems to be like another effort to Olympicise Eurovision. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Ukraine showed in 2005 that Eurovision was a big thing to them and I think they will be great hosts in a great venue.

Eurovision however is definitely not worth major construction efforts so I would rule out the stadiums if I was NTU. The Olympic Stadium would have been worth putting up a makeshift roof cover, but the other stadiums not. I guess that just leaves the Palace of Sports.

I don't think Olympic stadium has a chance. I would rather bet on Palace of Sports or International Exhibition Center. Although we have worth applications from Lviv, Odessa and Dnipro. I think one of those three cities will be chosen instead of Kiev if they guarantee they are able to prepare everything in time.

AlekS
15th July 2016, 20:35
Dnipro city is ready to invest 18 million euros from their city budget.

Odesa will cover their stadium with the help of the German firm "Röder HTS Höcker".
The basic structure will be constructed outside of the stadium so the whole arena will be covered without "columns" inside.
They will make it in time & it will be cheap.


Applications from Dnipro & Odesa sound better than expected so far.

GRE
15th July 2016, 23:03
I vote for Odessa.
It's the only ukrainian town I know, apart from the capital.

DanielLuis
16th July 2016, 00:52
The big selection process seems to be like another effort to Olympicise Eurovision. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Ukraine showed in 2005 that Eurovision was a big thing to them and I think they will be great hosts in a great venue.

Eurovision however is definitely not worth major construction efforts so I would rule out the stadiums if I was NTU. The Olympic Stadium would have been worth putting up a makeshift roof cover, but the other stadiums not. I guess that just leaves the Palace of Sports.

The problem is, the Palace of Sports was supposed to host a hockey world championship or something like that, in the time that the arena needs to be used for the 2017 Eurovision. It would look very bad for Ukraine to cancel the hosting of that world championship a year before it happens.

Therefore, whatever venue will be used needs to be worked on and this whole huge debate to decide which city will host takes a lot of time away from that.
A minister of Ukraine said that it's impossible for a roof to be placed on the Olympic Stadium because it would be impossible for the roof to support the rigging during the contest. And I think that might be the case for the other stadiums.

I don't know where Ukraine is gonna host this, but it's not looking good. Hopefully one of those stadiums will be able to hold a roof with all the lightning necessary for the shows, or maybe that new arena in Lviv can be built fast enough to host the contest.

DanielLuis
16th July 2016, 00:53
I don't think Olympic stadium has a chance. I would rather bet on Palace of Sports or International Exhibition Center. Although we have worth applications from Lviv, Odessa and Dnipro. I think one of those three cities will be chosen instead of Kiev if they guarantee they are able to prepare everything in time.

Does that International Exhibition Center need some work or is it pretty much ready to go?

MyHeartIsYours
16th July 2016, 00:58
If I remember rightly, in 2011 there was an idea floated in Berlin that they might put up a massive tent at Tempelhof for Eurovision. That idea obvs didn't get the go ahead, but if Ukraine is struggling for suitable arenas then I suppose they could always do something temporary like that.

EliGrant6
16th July 2016, 11:45
If I remember rightly, in 2011 there was an idea floated in Berlin that they might put up a massive tent at Tempelhof for Eurovision. That idea obvs didn't get the go ahead, but if Ukraine is struggling for suitable arenas then I suppose they could always do something temporary like that.

But wouldn't a tent have more problems than a temporary roof on a stadium? If a temporary roof on a stadium can't work, how can a venue that is fully temporary going to work? And if any of the open air stadiums is chosen, can't the German company Röder HTS Höcker help any of them or does the city have to reach out to them?

AlekS
17th July 2016, 18:32
Tents aren't considered at all because of loads of technical equipment that has to be attached to the roof.

When (for example) I say "temporary roof" I mean the current roof being extended so it can cover the whole inner space... OR a temporary construction outside of the stadium which is going to cover the whole stadium... it works like a tent but it's a different construction, it can be used after ESC as an exhibition hall, as a storage etc. outside of the city or somewhere else.

AlekS
17th July 2016, 18:37
I was right, one more time.
The Sports Palace lobbyist The minister of culture lied that The Olympic Stadium can't be covered because of technical issues... Kyiv simply refused to pay for that :lol:
Former ESC host Timur Miroshnychenko (who's also responsible for the upcoming TV show on Wednesday) confirmed that Kyiv refused from that idea because of money.


However he doesn't know about the same plans as for Lviv Arena.
Obviously it has to be at least twice cheaper & this is the same company that covered Esprit Arena.

AlekS
19th July 2016, 20:46
http://i.imgur.com/Jp3TYuG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/o3kOnaS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/azzLTHv.jpg

EliGrant6
20th July 2016, 11:42
One thing that has been bothering me is how can any city make a guarantee that they'll be ready in time? Is it all based on who's offering the largest budget or who's willing to work day and night to cover they're stadium?

GianlucaTomoe
20th July 2016, 12:15
One thing that has been bothering me is how can any city make a guarantee that they'll be ready in time? Is it all based on who's offering the largest budget or who's willing to work day and night to cover they're stadium?

As an American person, do you really not know the difference between "their" and "they're" or are you on your phone and therefore the automatic corrector "corrects" it for you?

Fierro
20th July 2016, 12:46
As an American person, do you really not know the difference between "their" and "they're" or are you on your phone and therefore the automatic corrector "corrects" it for you?

Very relevant question. Upvote!!!

LesterMalvo
20th July 2016, 14:10
Thankfully we have a block option.

As for the thread, I appreciate how Ukraine tries hard to do the best. NTU is taking this thing seriously, which Eurofans should be happy about, not complain how to do their jobs. I am not familiar with venues or buildings in Ukraine but I can already tell that we will have a promising stage by May. One thing bothers me so much is that how drama makers love to comment on social media, making calls to people not go to Ukraine, because it's not safe. Clearly exaggerating.

AlekS
20th July 2016, 16:00
The live broadcast:

Camera 1 (original)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk1sf4b7WDE

Camera 2 (ENG)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01XvCRREZZo

ps. Lviv is going to tune in from this roof:
http://i.imgur.com/4jUVxqG.jpg

AlekS
20th July 2016, 19:56
Lviv - unexperienced guy, imho their mayor could present it better, instead of him. In the same time their mayor & religious intolerance are their main enemies. Though I'd like to see Kyiv police kicking all the shit from their psychos :p I want to see their nationalists covered in rainbow flags :lol: So I'd voted for Lviv.
+ its gorgeous spirit and adequate majority really deserve it xrunhug

Kyiv - the most obnoxious & cocky presentation. Acting like they've already won. I wouldn't be so sure :rolleyes:

Dnipro - the best presentation so far. Gr8 reconstruction of existing indoor arena, no problems with funding. However I have questions about infrastructure.

Odesa - they began with a circus. So typical of them. Awesome presentation. Knowing their governor and that they will open the renovated airport soon + if there's no problems with the stadium... this is my finalist :D


Kharkiv - the most horrible presenter. Their city government is the main negative feature. Good thing is that their stadium can be covered.

Kherson - the most touching presentation. Everyone realizes that they won't win but it was really soulful, the best presenter *teary-eyed* :lol: But... let's come back to reality. No infrastructure, no arena, nothing.



my opinion:
1. Lviv
2. Odesa
3. Dnipro
4. Kyiv
5. Kharkiv
6. Kherson

AlekS
20th July 2016, 21:08
The 2 finalists will be announced on Friday.

The final announcement on August 1 will be televised as well.

joancamo
21st July 2016, 07:16
I hope Odessa or Lviv wins :P

ivanich
21st July 2016, 08:57
I hope Odessa or Lviv wins :P

No way. They didn't propose anything concrete, so they are outsiders. It's going to be Kyiv or Dnipro.

Fierro
21st July 2016, 10:08
No way. They didn't propose anything concrete, so they are outsiders. It's going to be Kyiv or Dnipro.

If between these two, then Kyiv. Dnipro is awful dirty city.

AlekS
21st July 2016, 12:05
Odesa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=71&v=2clyzQR_VJU

Dnipro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThYImdgb-n0


Kyiv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e_ahSC4ifo

Kharkiv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYqmaFbwQc4


Kherson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExBFPFS8-Gw

Lviv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgmDDNy0_4

Fierro
21st July 2016, 13:11
Kyiv and Palace of Sports will win. ESC technical director/production manager Ola Melzig said they would prefer roofed venues. Dnipro and Kyiv are the only cities having those.

http://livedesignonline.com/eurovision-song-contest-controlled-chaos-production?partnerref=ED_IntroArticle

Sabiondo
21st July 2016, 14:37
Here is the hole video of the battle of the cities (with English commentary), after watch the presentations, who could be the venue for Eurovision 2017? 8-)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01XvCRREZZo

AlekS
21st July 2016, 17:04
Today's UNIAN poll after debates. 1533 votes.

35% - Lviv
18% - Odesa
15% - Kyiv
11% - Dnipro
11% - Kharkiv
4% - Kherson
6% - f*ck ESC



ps. The EBU will inspect the 2 finalists on Monday & Tuesday.

Fierro
21st July 2016, 18:25
God please make ESC be held in Lviv or Odessa

EliGrant6
22nd July 2016, 09:34
What time will the two finalists be announced?

ivanich
22nd July 2016, 10:04
What time will the two finalists be announced?

At about 5-6pm CET.

UPD: Announcement has been scheduled to 3pm CET.

Nikkita
22nd July 2016, 14:25
The contest was held in Kyiv before so i'd like to see Lviv or Odessa, since Eurovision is a huge opportunity for the host city. Azerbaijan build a stage out of thin air, so i don't think a temporary roof would be a huge challenge in 9 months.

AlekS
22nd July 2016, 15:03
:D LIVE (no English feed though).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89KWqv82EA

Mayors present their cities in the Government in front of the Organizing Committee. Right after that the 2 finalists will be announced.

Dnipro - the main questions arose about infrastructure like I've said yesterday)) They can turn ships into hotels. The ugly airpot can be improved à la Hurghada airport by adding "tents".

Kyiv - less b*tching about competitors still very full of themselves. Promoting the Sports Palace. It's gonna be reconstructed (15 mil €).
Not any single euro will be spent from the state budget.


Lviv - Euro 2012 experience + tourist attractions. They will improve transportation (not because of ESC, it's already pre-planned). Much more confident presentation than yesterday. Covering the Lviv Arena roof costs up to 10 mil €. However the main negative thing is that they want to co-fund it with the state budget. They plan a retractable roof.
As the main contender they get the biggest amount of crap from everyone :lol: - competitors and the minister of culture who's very biased. *F you, Kyiv! xqueenbitch*

Odesa - it's being presented by the mayor today & then yesterday's guy takes the word from him. The city can spend 40 mil. euros on everything :o
Jamala's turn. She asked everyone to build a comfortable arena because this is the main thing.


Kharkiv - oooh, that "don't interrupt me" breakdown won't help him.
Good transport system, sole funding, horrible mayor & city government... goodbye Kharkiv ;)

Kherson - less touching presentation today, still no chances. Finishing construction works in 7-8 months is too late.



Lviv & Odesa would be my choices 8-)

ag89
22nd July 2016, 15:52
Regardless of Eurovision - it's really strange such a big city like Kiev doesn't have an appropriate sport hall, arena, something.

Sport Palace is really not an arena, it's simply too small for Kiev.

AlekS
22nd July 2016, 16:38
Regardless of Eurovision - it's really strange such a big city like Kiev doesn't have an appropriate sport hall, arena, something.

Sport Palace is really not an arena, it's simply too small for Kiev.

8 000-10 000 is too small? Lol :lol:

14-16 000 for the IEC.

20 000 if they finally finish Eurobasket arena.

2 indoor arenas. 3 if they finish another building.

AlekS
22nd July 2016, 17:07
Now they will have even more b--ching without cameras after that they will choose the 2 finalists.

AlekS
22nd July 2016, 18:41
and the 3 finalists are.... Kyiv....Dnipro...Odesa


what a shocker for Lviv :lol:

EBU inspection:
Monday - Kyiv
Tuesday - Dnipro & Odesa


:!: :!: :!: The final announcement on Wednesday, July 27 from 12:00 to 13:00 (local time)!

Sabiondo
22nd July 2016, 19:37
Poor Lviv...:( Unless ::ua do the first ESC back-to-back winning since the 90's and Arena Lviv is finished next year before 2017 Eurobasket, then they could host in 2018.

GRE
22nd July 2016, 19:43
Odessa for the win !

http://www.interpreter-best.com.ua/images/DD9.jpg

http://kingofwallpapers.com/odessa/odessa-005.jpg

http://www.odessastag.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/Image-prev/node-images/potemkin-stairs-in-odessa.jpg

CPV4931
22nd July 2016, 19:52
I thought, Lviv would at least make the top 3...

AlekS
22nd July 2016, 20:05
As I've said they brought an unexperienced presenter.
They didn't want to fund solely (that was the main reason) the new roof.

AlekS
22nd July 2016, 20:48
http://i.imgur.com/57qVoao.jpg

Kyiv
http://i.imgur.com/j5n2shd.jpg

Venue: The Sports Palace
http://arendavkieve.com/images/Espl_32_3x/Espl_32_3x_12.jpg
http://obovsem.kiev.ua/uploads/posts/2014-12/1418504013_0_36b82_c3711031_l.jpg

The venue will be completely renovated for 15 000 000 € so I have no idea about exact capacity. Starting from 8 000.
Total ESC cost from the city budget - 20 mil € approx.

Back-up venue: The International Exhibition Centre
http://www.termotrans.com.ua/news/120515.jpg

Capacity: 14 000
It's situated almost across the bridge from the Sports Palace.


Dnipro
http://i.imgur.com/Yg1DfNG.jpg

Venue: DniproEuroArerna
http://i.imgur.com/p8MkJfR.jpg

Capacity after renovation: 9 500
The city is ready to invest 20 000 000 €.


Odesa
http://i.imgur.com/r5MJCBV.jpg

Venue: Chernomorets Stadium
http://i.imgur.com/PCnLang.jpg
http://www.bestkv.com/_nw/0/98293512.jpg

Capacity for ESC: 20 000 approx.

The city can fund everything on their own. They're ready to spend 40 000 000 €.
The temporary roof is going to cost 5 mil €.
The renovated airport opens in a few months with a new direct flights to European cities + huge port + you can get there from Kyiv anytime. My personal fave. Though they will choose 1 of those 3 indoor arenas most def.

GermanBango
22nd July 2016, 21:56
#TeamOdessa

Fierro
22nd July 2016, 22:10
Odessa will have awful tent (according to Andy from ESCKAZ) so it seems Kyiv remains as the only choice.

AlekS
22nd July 2016, 22:41
Pragmatically speaking the Sports Palace needs this renovation & it would be useful for sportsmen so it would be the best option.
Dnipro will renovate/build their sports venues in the next 2 years no matter if they host ESC or not. 2 stadiums & 1 indoor arena ... Kyiv better hide in shame.
Odesa is awesome city but the stadium would have a shittier acoustics obviously and they said the main priority are indoor arenas. *though Okean Elzy proved dear Swedish techies wrong, even the Olympic Stadium can sound excellent*.

Anyway, the minister of Culture lobbied the Sports Palace so shamelessly that imo we've got the winner :rolleyes:

GRE
22nd July 2016, 23:09
Odessa ftw ! x12sxcheer

EliGrant6
22nd July 2016, 23:37
I hope Odessa wins, but if they don't, maybe they should invest the 40 million euros in building a bigger indoor arena to host Eurovision later on so there's no debate over the perfect venue. Then the city could also invest in hosting events like EuroBasket and other tournaments.

Oshawott
23rd July 2016, 00:25
Is this Odessa's plan for the stage or just a troll attempt? I ain't here for this mess...

http://esckaz.com/2017/tent002.jpghttp://esckaz.com/2017/tent003.jpg

lavieenrose
23rd July 2016, 01:18
If Lviv isn't there that feels like a bit of a setup for Kyiv (unless there's some deficiency Lviv had that I missed).

ivanich
23rd July 2016, 03:22
It's now between Palace of Sports and International Exhibition Centre. If they would be able to solve all issues regarding Palace of Sports until Wednesday, then we are going there. If not - then IEC is obviously going to be picked.

DanielLuis
23rd July 2016, 04:33
http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/eurovision/host-city

What the hell is this mess? Paris, Rome, Los Angeles, Hamburg and Budapest? Looks like they confused the 2024 Olympic Games with Eurovision 2017 :lol:

AlekS
23rd July 2016, 13:15
Lviv: "Government's expectation as for amount of contribution by the city budget was unacceptable."

But it wasn't for 3 cities. All citizens of Lviv can "thank" their mayor & city council http://fun.resplace.net/Emoticons/Swearing/FuckYou.gif



ps. According to Ruslana, Lviv was ready to give only 8-12 (!!!) times less money than competitors! 2.5 million approx. - when covering Lviv Arena costs 5 mil. + :lol:

GRE
23rd July 2016, 13:40
Kyiv becomes the obvious winner.

no, NO, NO :mad::cry:SOOCoOXxgaah:|xdoh

AlekS
23rd July 2016, 14:14
As a former sportsman I root for 2 sports venues. Knowing that Dnipro is a hole and they need money (from the city budget) on building/renovating 2 big sports venues I choose Kyiv and the Sports Palace. It's been awaiting this renovation for years :| and it will bring more benefits for our musicians and sportsmen. And Dnipro will have enough money to build what they need.

If Ukraine & Poland gonna host Eurobasket 2019 then we'll finish building at least 2 big arenas + renovated Sports Palace is going to be a nice addition then.

AlekS
25th July 2016, 12:58
EBU representatives arrived in Ukraine yesterday.

We've got a fresh "tea":
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Tbmpx8S07-M/TpJA_Sc02tI/AAAAAAAACng/KKfFfYoow1w/s400/rhonj-greg-shot.gif

"- The Sports Palace, Hockey WCH, IEC acoustics blah blah blah?
- We consider a different city, not just a different venue."
dafuq? :lol:

I don't believe that. IMHO they've already selected the Sports Palace.
They're hurrying up to begin the reconstruction.

AlekS
26th July 2016, 13:00
after talking to EBU officials NTU came back to their idea to announce the host city on August 1.

aardvark
26th July 2016, 13:37
So they are buying time to see if a solution for the Ice Hockey World Champs can be found?

AlekS
26th July 2016, 15:26
^ announcing everything earlier was the minister's idea while NTU always wanted to do it on August 1.
I think that means that The Sports Palace lobbyist isn't so influential.

Kyiv:
http://i.imgur.com/TS4pEZ9.jpg
https://kievcity.gov.ua/done_img/b/40012.jpg

Dnipro:
http://i.imgur.com/PeiWNX7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/x7zoDga.jpg
http://www.gorod.dp.ua/pic/news/newsfoto/16/07/120612/9_600.jpg
The reconstruction has already begun:
http://www.gorod.dp.ua/pic/news/newsfoto/16/07/120612/13_600.jpg
http://www.gorod.dp.ua/pic/news/newsfoto/16/07/120612/11_600.jpg

AlekS
26th July 2016, 20:03
Woah, it seems ESC guys don't mind the Exhibition Centre. That was the biggets surprise to me.
So all those talks against IEC were just a bullshit.


edit: Odesa hasn't selected the "tent" for the stadium, they showed a few variants.

Odesa
http://i.imgur.com/RioxFNU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6hfMnJm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/d70xIHH.jpg

EliGrant6
27th July 2016, 01:15
^ announcing everything earlier was the minister's idea while NTU always wanted to do it on August 1.
I think that means that The Sports Palace lobbyist isn't so influential.

Kyiv:
http://i.imgur.com/TS4pEZ9.jpg
https://kievcity.gov.ua/done_img/b/40012.jpg

Dnipro:
http://i.imgur.com/PeiWNX7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/x7zoDga.jpg
http://www.gorod.dp.ua/pic/news/newsfoto/16/07/120612/9_600.jpg
The reconstruction has already begun:
http://www.gorod.dp.ua/pic/news/newsfoto/16/07/120612/13_600.jpg
http://www.gorod.dp.ua/pic/news/newsfoto/16/07/120612/11_600.jpg

i'm surprised to see the Ukrainian delegation wearing T-shirts with Petrykivka designs. I pretty sure that it's not the official design for the competition [not yet at least], but they look great!

AlekS
27th July 2016, 12:27
The Minister of Culture: "The host city won't be announced today because of delay with financial guarantees. We will announce the winner once the job recommended by the EBU is done.". Preliminary date for the announcement is August 1.


Meanwhile the mayor of Dnipro said that the city council should gather until August 10 in order to add the arena into a city property.
"Imo chances between Dnipro & Kyiv are 50/50, basing on negotiations".

ps. Dnipro raised their stakes. Now they're ready to pay 29 million € (in total: the contest & infrastructure).

John1
27th July 2016, 12:59
Dnipro or Kyiv would be better by far, than Odessa with their "tent" project.

It seems to be a weird idea imo, because of the wind, which would destroys this artificial roof.
Just imagine if this flought away during the performance of Jamala, when she's starting to cry and shout at the audience, at the end of the last chorus... :lol:

That'd be crazy, but freakily entertaining. xdance

I'm so sure that the Eurovision 2017 would reach the 500M viewers in an instant.
Their goal would be achieved and fulfilled at least... :lol:

AlekS
27th July 2016, 14:51
The Prime Minister: "We have already provided financial guarantees".
now that was fast :lol:

John1
27th July 2016, 15:04
The Prime Minister: "We have already provided financial guarantees".
now that was fast :lol:

I thought they were in debt.
That's fine if they can afford the rights to host the contest either in Kyiv or Dneipo/Dnipo/Dnipro???... :lol:
Despite the fact that Odessa planned to organise the contest inside a tent, it might work after all if they're as mad as ::ua and this city. xrofl

AlekS
27th July 2016, 19:41
20:50-21:25 (CET). NTU will show the inspection of the cities. + interview with Jon Ola Sand.

Live here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzWXsiUbnY

John1
27th July 2016, 21:01
20:50-21:25 (CET). NTU will show the inspection of the cities. + interview with Jon Ola Sand.

Live here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTzWXsiUbnY

Sweet. xcheer
It'll be quite interesting to see what Jon Ola Sand is thinking of the future venue of the ESC 2017.
Summing-up his opinion: 'Do I really like to party in a yellowish tent?' :lol:

AlekS
27th July 2016, 21:48
According to NTU officials EBU received additional info during the inspection and they need time to analyze it (they don't want to make a mistake because they have at least 2 fave venues).
The venue can be announced in a week or 2. NTU is studying all companies involved in renovation.

Odesa gave NTU one more variant of the tent (though it sucks even more).
Dnipro added more money.
Kyiv started thinking about IEC (wondering if it's a private property).


Imho Odesa was pawned by Dnipro (they've already started renovating the venue).

AlekS
27th July 2016, 22:30
Jon Ola really liked Odesa but their venue disappointed him (I like his face " :? ") & they adviced few changes.
He slammed Kyiv a lil' bit. Their venues aren't ready & they need guarantees that they can be reconstructed in time. Judging from his tone Kyiv can begin worrying :lol:
Dnipro - he's impressed that they've already started the renovation. He liked that they started giving him a lot of suggestions right after his questions.


Problems.
Kyiv - venues (except the IEC)
Odesa - venue & airport
Dnipro - transportation (far from the center) & hotels (though the mayor suggested to turn a few ships into hotels)

Pluses.
Kyiv - everything else except venues is ready
Odesa - tourist attractions
Dnipro - the venue


IMHO. I can't really tell who's the winner. Jon Ola had his fave though (wondering which one). The organizing Committee is divided.
Jon Ola wanted everything (press centre, the venue) in one place which is a hint at Kyiv (IEC) and Dnipro. Also it seems he's not so sure about the Sports Palace but that's my subjective impression.

AlekS
27th July 2016, 23:10
The Head of NTU has just said that he prefers IEC over the Sports Palace if it's gonna be Kyiv.

EliGrant6
28th July 2016, 08:07
Jon Ola really liked Odesa but their venue disappointed him (I like his face " :? ") & they adviced few changes.
He slammed Kyiv a lil' bit. Their venues aren't ready & they need guarantees that they can be reconstructed in time. Judging from his tone Kyiv can begin worrying :lol:
Dnipro - he's impressed that they've already started the renovation. He liked that they started giving him a lot of suggestions right after his questions.


Problems.
Kyiv - venues
Odesa - venue & airport
Dnipro - transportation (far from the center) & hotels (though the mayor suggested to turn a few ships into hotels)

Pluses.
Kyiv - everything else except venues is ready
Odesa - tourist attractions
Dnipro - the venue


IMHO. I can't really tell who's the winner. Jon Ola had his fave though (wondering which one). The organizing Committee is divided.
Jon Ola wanted everything (press centre, the venue) in one place which is a hint at Kyiv (IEC) and Dnipro. Also it seems he's not so sure about the Sports Palace but that's my subjective impression.

I guess based on this information, Odessa is the best choice since it's the only candidate with the least issues with the venue (aside from the roof). Do each of the bids include a plan for the press center?

ivanich
28th July 2016, 08:44
I guess based on this information, Odessa is the best choice since it's the only candidate with the least issues with the venue (aside from the roof). Do each of the bids include a plan for the press center?

Based on what is already known Odessa has zero chances if they won't propose a technically acceptable plan of building a temporary roof which would be able to handle tons of weight. So far it seems that the most chances are that it wil be IEC(yes, there is enough place there to make a press center).

AlekS
28th July 2016, 11:02
The only venues which have the press centre (1600+ journalists) in the same building with the concert hall are the IEC (Kyiv) and EuroArena (Dnipro).

ag89
29th July 2016, 18:17
I feel that Exhibition Centre might take the win.

:D

AlekS
29th July 2016, 18:22
Kyiv city council also supported IEC.

AlekS
29th July 2016, 18:43
Kyiv International Exhibition Centre


http://i.imgur.com/ABIPy3n.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xkUR9i6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vYpWHx9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/w5p6Def.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9cRbdU1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CeKcYeq.jpg

There are at least 3 press rooms of big capacity suitable for ESC.

http://i.imgur.com/q2wpXat.jpg

The press centre will be situated in a hugeass hall.
http://i.imgur.com/2uZtK0c.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1tZKHil.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CTgmY6m.jpg

Here you can see a bridge to the central part on the right shore.

http://i.imgur.com/9EUw2OD.jpg


http://whiteside.in.ua/upload/photo/690/2012_02_27_205/p_29091.jpg
xbb

EliGrant6
30th July 2016, 09:00
These photos make the IEC look a lot bigger than I thought. I think it is the best venue for the contest.

ivanich
30th July 2016, 12:56
This was hosted at halls 2 and 3 of IEC, which are going to be used for Eurovision stage and audience:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3uy8_wmeHE&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC2zB8vGKpY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grZeHvpM2Fk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1aB25sTMdA

This was hosted at hall 1, which is going to be used for press centre:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-bDk4vmdBc

ag89
30th July 2016, 15:52
How many people can fit into that Centre? Looks quite big and also gives plenty of options for Eurovision, more halls, rooms, etc.

ivanich
30th July 2016, 17:32
How many people can fit into that Centre?

From 10 to 15 thousand, depending on stage size, green room location, commentators cabins location, etc.

Krishoes
30th July 2016, 21:01
First of all thank you so so so much AlekS for all the infos you're writing here.

Now I'm supporting 100% the IEC in Kiev. There is everything we need for the show and the opportunity to have not only the stage and the press room but also the Euroclub in the same establishment.

EliGrant6
30th July 2016, 22:29
First of all thank you so so so much AlekS for all the infos you're writing here.

Now I'm supporting 100% the IEC in Kiev. There is everything we need for the show and the opportunity to have not only the stage and the press room but also the Euroclub in the same establishment.

Ditto on the thank you to AlekS.

I love the concept of all the elements of the contest being in the same venue, but maybe the Euroclub should be somewhere else, just to add space. I feel like the Euroclub would benefit more from being elsewhere so that there's more space to relax by being away from the venue itself.

Krishoes
31st July 2016, 00:13
Ditto on the thank you to AlekS.

I love the concept of all the elements of the contest being in the same venue, but maybe the Euroclub should be somewhere else, just to add space. I feel like the Euroclub would benefit more from being elsewhere so that there's more space to relax by being away from the venue itself.

Well, this depends on the size of the venue. It seems that the IEC is huge so the Euroclub (that it's actually not that big, at least from what I experienced in Stockholm and Vienna) would fit it.

Also, what I find a bit annoying is the fact that usually Euroclub and the venue are distant, so you have to take the bus or the tram to go from there to there, so I dream that next year everything will be near. :D

AlekS
31st July 2016, 00:59
Unfortunately Euroclub is the weakest spot... it's far away. Unless you've got a helicopter :lol:

https://okna.ua/img_all/stekloplast_kyiv/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82-828x552.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Eu8tNZ5.jpg

it's 4 subway stations away.
#1-3 are above the ground (Livoberezhna, Hydropark, Dnipro)
#4 is underground (Arsenal'na)
500 m from Arsenal'na to Euroclub.

Though they can change Euroclub location one more time ;)
Or they better provide some transportation.

Krishoes
31st July 2016, 12:34
WTF is that. It's tragic. And I understood nothing actually at a first reading xD :lol:

At least they usually provide something for who's got a press - and I think fan as well - accreditation to reach it. XD

In Stockholm it was a bus (15-20 minutes from the Globen), in Vienna the metro above the ground, 'cause a stop was literally in front of the Euroclub. But I've heard that in Copenaghen it was a devastating mess. :?

However, the most important thing is that the venue and the show are good :D

AlekS
1st August 2016, 13:14
Dnipro region officials presented EuroArena pics & guaranteed that they will renovate everything in time:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=661996757286541&set=pcb.661998227286394&type=3&theater

http://i.imgur.com/krg1Oj5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QAe6hji.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/O7qL3Nr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LwMmbkT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/htktJH4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/c2HifOI.jpg

The main weakness of the arena is its capacity (9000). The same is for the Sports Palace.

They've got everything at 1 place (concert hall, press centre & Euroclub), the only negative features are... it's far from hotels (take a bus, trolleybus, tram) + their airport has only a few international flights.

WhoKnows
1st August 2016, 15:19
Dnipro is trying so hard. Bless 'em. That building idea looks quite nice in the pictures. Too bad it's in... well, Dnipro, in the middle of nowhere.

A-lister
1st August 2016, 16:12
I'm sad the best choice Lviv is out, Ukraine just lost their best opportunity in getting good promo and potential tourism.

So I guess it's gonna be Kyiv again, that's alright but it's really a lost opportunity.

Dnipro won't attract much people from non ex-USSR countries so I'm afraid this would be quite empty, Odessa is one of the most overrated cities I ever visited (the city is nice in terms of looks, but the culture and social climate is a disaster).

AlekS
1st August 2016, 19:07
^ 10-15 mil. € is the expected ESC-17 tourism revenue (I mean the total amount of money spent by tourists, not a tax), in the best-case scenario.
Annual tourism revenue of Lviv is 300 mil. € approx.

ESC tourism effect is exaggerated by ESC fans. I think in the same way with Andy.
The vast majority of money will be spent by "locals". Delegations & journalists usually don't go out & spend money like ordinary tourists, they could have spent more if not their job. The amount of foreign ESC tourists is not crucial even despite they spend more.
As for promo ... Lviv is already big, not sure if promo would have added something significant 8-)

AlekS
1st August 2016, 19:38
One more time about Lviv because I'm angry :twisted:

Dnipro has already started reconstructing their venue. It appeared that Lviv officials have been sitting flat on their butts for 2 months expecting that somebody will pay for them.

Odesa agreed to invest 36-40 mil. € from the city budget
Dnipro - 36 mil. €
Kyiv - 25 mil. €
.........
Lviv ...... ahem ..... 2.5 mil. € + asking the state budget to co-fund (that's 25mil. approx) xfacepalm

Bravo Lviv!
Of course NTU & EBU didn't choose them.


ps. The techies are inspecting the candidate venues. According to the Head of NTU the winner can be announced next week.
Jon Ola will arrive in Ukraine in (the middle?) August.

DanielLuis
1st August 2016, 20:06
Yeah, I had already read somewhere else that the reason why Lviv was eliminated is that they weren't willing to give almost any of the money needed for the contest's budget.

Fierro
1st August 2016, 20:13
I'm sad the best choice Lviv is out, Ukraine just lost their best opportunity in getting good promo and potential tourism.

So I guess it's gonna be Kyiv again, that's alright but it's really a lost opportunity.

Dnipro won't attract much people from non ex-USSR countries so I'm afraid this would be quite empty, Odessa is one of the most overrated cities I ever visited (the city is nice in terms of looks, but the culture and social climate is a disaster).

Interesting, all people I know (including Ukrainians) that visited Odessa said city is rather worse than you expect. Have you been to another cities - Kyiv, Lviv maybe?

John1
2nd August 2016, 17:06
Kyiv seems to be the best choice, which the EBU and NTU (?) could have ever made.
I'd rather go to party in Kyiv with some eurofans than being ill in Odessa with this fake roof. :lol:

PamSwynford
2nd August 2016, 19:13
Interview with the Ukrainian HOD Viktorija Romanova

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=col4Tth-lU0

Her quote:
"The choice of the host city is probably a key decision of the whole Eurovision. This verdict is too important and too crucial to take it in a rush. That's why, it was a joint ruling of the European Broadcasting Union, organisational committee, and NTU to take more time. We have this time, we have the right to take it in order to receive additional information, additionally fulfilled tasks from the cities, work on it and come up with 100 percent right decision"

EliGrant6
3rd August 2016, 01:26
The Dnipro venue looks very nice, but I think it's a very ambitious project to finish my May. I think the only responsible think for the EBU and NTU is to select Kiev since they seem to be the only city with venues that meet the requirements. The exhibition center seems to be the best venue. In the mean time, I think Ukraine should invest in a larger arena to host these events.

GRE
4th August 2016, 19:15
Ukranian Stars supoort Odessa through a song !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A-IkxP58tA

Krishoes
7th August 2016, 16:53
Kiev out? :o

http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/kiev-proletit-mimo-evrovideniya-2017-nardep--740195.html

GRE
7th August 2016, 17:58
Odessa ftw !!!

EliGrant6
8th August 2016, 01:38
I wonder what happened in Kiev to make the change. I guess it's Odessa's now. I really can't imagine Dnipro hosting in that tiny venue. Or maybe they could start over and bring back Lviv, but that would make this whole thing a bigger mess.

AlekS
8th August 2016, 14:33
Odesa selected the Swiss project.
They promise 20 000 capacity.
+ Nussli has been working for Eurovision before (thrice). Neumann & Müller provided sound equipment for ESC 2011.
The temporary construction will be transported to another Odesa stadium after ESC ends.
The new airport terminal will open its doors on March 26.


Kiev out? :o
Nah. Just political nonsense (he's opposed to their mayor, #2 on the last elections with just 9% :lol:).

Usual "my asshole is burning :o our mayor is *insert any offense here*. Choose me!" type of crap.

0scar
9th August 2016, 14:41
What a mess this host city picking process. Afraid this won't do good to the 2017 contest.

AlekS
10th August 2016, 01:17
The Sports Palace will host the World Hockey Championship Div. 1 as planned.
IEC became the main venue for Kyiv officially.

The delay was caused by the EBU demanding financial guarantees.
Now each city provided a 5 mil. guarantee.

NTU supports Kyiv, ESC guys suppport Odesa (because of "their" companies), ministries support mostly Dnipro.
All 3 have influential lobbyists.


imho:
1. Odesa - not only because of EBU's "pressure" but that helped a lot as well.
1. Kyiv - they can accumulate votes from everyone & become a compromise winner, like Jamala :lol: Depends if they really want IEC now.
3. Dnipro

Jacketh
10th August 2016, 20:44
This is really dragging on. I just want a decision now.

GianlucaTomoe
10th August 2016, 20:59
Just calm down, in 2014 Denmark announced their decision for the host city in September. We are just in August now.

AlekS
18th August 2016, 22:16
The EBU approved every city :)
Now it's up to the Organizing Committee to gather and choose the winner.
Knowing our lazy government this can happen in September. Or they can gather next week until August 24.

ps. Right now they are in the middle of the technical analysis. + They received guarantees from the construction companies as for Odesa.



ps2. The Head of NTU was cheering for Lviv until he realized that their representatives don't really want ESC.
One of the main reasons was their attitude towards LGBT (their police didn't intrude when people were attacked).
Kyiv & Odesa prides put them to shame.

EscGeek
18th August 2016, 22:30
http://www.relatably.com/m/img/still-waiting-meme-computer/7323047.jpg

AlekS
18th August 2016, 22:55
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/13/d3/39/13d339d8124db3fdb65aa16f8545c015.gif

DanielLuis
19th August 2016, 00:49
I just wonder: Every single possible venue needs work done. Will there be enough time? The longer it takes to choose the host city, the later construction begins. There's talks that the contest will be moved to the last week of may because of this, which sucks big time.

AlekS
19th August 2016, 17:35
^

Dnipro requires more time than everyone else but their construction works have already started 2 months ago! (it's a planned renovation so it will be done no matter if they get selected). They promise to finish everything in the beginning of March.
If Kyiv gets chosen they plan to start working on September 1 but they need less work done comparing to others.
Odesa ... their firm has had a similar project for Grand Slam (and ESC, thrice) in the past but this roof is bigger so I guess 3-4 months will be enough. + they have a warmer climate which allows working in winter.

Each city gave/paid guarantees that they will make it in time.



ps. The Organizing Committee could have gathered today if Prime Minister wasn't abroad so on Monday they plan to set the date.
The nearest possible date is Tuesday at the government meeting.

DanielLuis
19th August 2016, 20:31
^

Dnipro requires more time than everyone else but their construction works have already started 2 months ago! (it's a planned renovation so it will be done no matter if they get selected). They promise to finish everything in the beginning of March.
If Kyiv gets chosen they plan to start working on September 1 but they need less work done comparing to others.
Odesa ... their firm has had a similar project for Grand Slam (and ESC, thrice) in the past but this roof is bigger so I guess 3-4 months will be enough. + they have a warmer climate which allows working in winter.

Each city gave/paid guarantees that they will make it in time.



ps. The Organizing Committee could have gathered today if Prime Minister wasn't abroad so on Monday they plan to set the date.
The nearest possible date is Tuesday at the government meeting.

Ok, I really hope everything will be ready on time!

A-lister
22nd August 2016, 19:20
Interesting, all people I know (including Ukrainians) that visited Odessa said city is rather worse than you expect. Have you been to another cities - Kyiv, Lviv maybe?

I've only been to Kyiv, Lviv and Odessa so far... I have mixed feelings about Kyiv but I found it rather cool (the air is a disaster though if you're used to general clean air but the body gets used to it after a couple of days), Lviv by far gave the best impression and is without a doubt the most tourist-friendly of the three, Odessa is like a local (the culture is very ex-USSR and not in the good way) tourist place if one likes animal cruelty, tacky attractions, general overpriced stuff and rude people, while the city itself looks pretty nice and has potential the people and general atmosphere makes me never want to set my foot in that city ever again unfortunately.

AlekS
25th August 2016, 10:30
The host city/venue will be revealed today at 14:00CET.

AlekS
25th August 2016, 13:05
According to Dnipro mayor it was postponed till next week.

anselm
25th August 2016, 14:46
It's been cancelled again :'D

Stiven
25th August 2016, 14:58
Just a simple question:
Is NTU run by college students ? Because the number of delays has left me with this impression.

AlekS
25th August 2016, 15:26
Just a simple question:
Is NTU...
NTU has nothing to do with this government's crap.
NTU doesn't decide the dates etc., the main force in the Organizing Commiittee are the ministries.

AlekS
25th August 2016, 15:31
Kyiv & Odesa are the main competitors now, according to the Head of NTU: "2 of the 3 cities have significant benefits: Kyiv & Odesa. They're going head to head. But each of them has diadvantages, different but serious. So the committee keeps working. Another week? In the spirit of Eurovision =)"

The delay was caused by both city's representatives. "Thanks" to them it's gonna be another week.
The one who clarifies/agrees to solve their disadvantages wins.

yulichka
25th August 2016, 16:09
Kyiv & Odesa are the main competitors now, according to the Head of NTU: "2 of the 3 cities have significant benefits: Kyiv & Odesa".

The delay was caused by both city's representatives. "Thanks" to them it's gonna be another week.
The one who clarifies/agrees to solve their disadvantage wins.

Please let it be Kyiv xpray

AlekS
25th August 2016, 16:24
I agree with Andy.
Imho, the EBU wants Odesa (because of "their" companies involved there). While the government wants a better venue in Kyiv.

Big distance between the venue, Euroclub & Eurovillage.... vs. .... the venue at the stadium (the roof will be constructed by the EBU's "friends" €€€).

If EBU didn't support Odesa in the last moment we would have chosen IEC, Kyiv already ;)

Jacketh
25th August 2016, 17:00
I'd quite like Odesa I think!

GianlucaTomoe
25th August 2016, 18:46
Can somebody copy-paste this to ESCForum?

"Stop moaning about the host city of ESC 2017, ffs. Actually, only Sweden announced their host cities/venues early (in July). But Sweden is Sweden. All the other recent host countries didn't make an official announcement until September at the very least. Azerbaijan announced Baku in January 2012 even! So, y'all should just stop being haters of Ukraine, nobody takes you seriously anyway."

AlekS
25th August 2016, 21:27
The Vice Prime: "I think the city will be selected until September".

From what I know: Kyiv, imho they need to deal with IEC private owner according to the law.
Infrastructure - obviously Dnipro (they are still in offcicially, but de facto it's over for them) and to a lesser extent Odesa (I bet they need guarantees as for airport).

He said that in his opinion it's gonna be Kyiv.

WhoKnows
25th August 2016, 21:42
What a mess. I knew this was going to happen. They're going to drag this till January and then won't have time to hold it anywhere.

AlekS
25th August 2016, 21:50
They're going to drag this till January and then won't have time to hold it anywhere.
Remind me when did Azerbaijan choose their venue and screwed Tofiq Bahramov stadium option? :mrgreen:
January 25.






ps. The next government gathering is on August 31.

Schlagerman1
26th August 2016, 00:16
I don't mind that it takes time to choose hosting city. It is just that they set out dates and don't follow it that disturbs a lot more. It's okay if they cancel an announcement once, but when it is several times (and they did the same with the running order for 2016), it is looking more and more like a bad joke from the EBU. Put a deadline that is really stretched out to the maximum and if it happens to be announced early, then it would just be seen as a "glad surprise".

AlekS
26th August 2016, 15:41
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2C679cG2-Y
http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=jon_ola_sand_on_the_city_bid_process_every thing_has_to_be_scrutinised


According to minister of Culture they're clarifying things with the EBU. The EBU also has a word in choosing the host city.
So it seems our guess about Kyiv (government) vs. Odesa (EBU) fight is true.
Yesterday 2 ministers openly said that they support Kyiv. EBU has just sent a clear hint in response by saying that IEC is not ready (which is a lie it seems :rolleyes:) so choose Chernomorets Arena.

WhoKnows
26th August 2016, 16:34
so choose Chernomorets Arena.

LOL, I read that as "Chornobyl Arena". Which, yes, at this point, might as well.

GianlucaTomoe
26th August 2016, 16:35
LOL, I read that as "Chornobyl Arena". Which, yes, at this point, might as well.

Isn't that city called "Chernobyl" though?

Fierro
26th August 2016, 18:34
Isn't that city called "Chernobyl" though?

"Chornobyl" is in ukrainian, "Chernobyl" in russian.

Matt
27th August 2016, 02:25
Meh, I'm so annoyed. I was really looking forward to the city announcement so that I could lock in my flight. I understand the importance of being thorough though so I will try to be more patient. I'm still torn whether to root for Kiev or Odessa. I mean Kiev for me would be way easier and cheaper, in terms of flight costs but Odessa looks really pretty and it's right by the water. Though I don't think that I'll have much time for sun bathing. Either way, get into gear Ukraine I'm ready to know.

AlekS
27th August 2016, 13:08
I mean Kiev for me would be way easier and cheaper, in terms of flight costs but Odessa looks really pretty and it's right by the water. Though I don't think that I'll have much time for sun bathing. Either way, get into gear Ukraine I'm ready to know.
Sun bathing when it's +18-20°C is not a good idea anyway :lol:
As for flights, Odesa is having negotiations with Air Berlin, Ryanair & Wizz Air. The new cheap flights will be added in spring when they open the new terminal.

joancamo
27th August 2016, 17:24
I still want Odessa to win :P
Give another city a chance!! Kiev had already hosted Eurovision related events 3 times: ESC 2005 and JESC 2009 and 2013

AlekS
27th August 2016, 20:16
Chornobyl
The head of NTU doesn't mind:
http://i.imgur.com/QXRx6kY.jpg
:o
He's definitely monitoring this forum (and doesn't give a fuuu about b*tching) :lol:

Meanwhile the mayor of Kyiv is channeling his inner Dita von Teese:
http://img.112.agency/585x351/2016/08/27/255312.JPG
If he did that on Thursday live as a "compensation" :rolleyes: :lol:

Matt
27th August 2016, 21:47
Sun bathing when it's +18-20°C is not a good idea anyway :lol:
As for flights, Odesa is having negotiations with Air Berlin, Ryanair & Wizz Air. The new cheap flights will be added in spring when they open the new terminal.

Oh, is that the average temperature in May? Too bad but as said, I don't see that much beach time for me anyway. It's usually press center and then straight to Euro Club. Coming from the U.S., some of those budget airlines don't always work out for me. But I may spend a few days in London with a friend or in Germany with my family before heading to Ukraine.

I'm not too worried about the delay in terms of organizational skills of the broadcaster, I'm just so curious.

Matt
27th August 2016, 21:48
And AlekS this might be a silly question but do people in Kiev speak better English than in Odessa or vice versa? I'm just curious. Or is there no big difference?

AlekS
28th August 2016, 00:42
Jamala said that as well - people won't have enough time for tourist attractions... hotel-arena-brief interviews outside/having convos with colleagues-hotel.

Imho people in Kyiv are more skilled in English though it's hard to understand American English for everyone here :lol: People prefer speaking American English though, be prepared for heavy accents. I know how you talk so there shouldn't be any problems for them with understanding you, imo.
In general our English is poor, unfortunately. Or maybe I've got very high demands, you know me.

ps. The weather is a b*tch everywhere. So prepare for sunny +25-27 on May 1 and rainy +10-13 on May 9 for example. Also every year is different so you can't say "it's cold (or hot) in May".

A-lister
28th August 2016, 12:01
Out of Kiyv and Odessa, Kiyv is the obvious choice imo.

And everyone complaining about the delays... this country is currently being attacked, there's a freaking war going on, you honestly think they don't have more important things to think about? The fact that they are even going to host this considering all is a wonder in itself so I think people shouldn't be so hard on NTU in this case.

AlekS
28th August 2016, 21:16
^ In the future people are going to compare all losers to us:
"Even Ukraine in the state of war pawned *insert any country* & selected their host earlier xfacepalm "
:lol:

Speaking of certains countries who have enormous debts. We aren't the most rich country in Europe, to say the least)) but we paid our debts so why it's so hard for you, guys? :rolleyes:

AlekS
28th August 2016, 21:22
Odesa governor said that the money for the new airport runway will be given by the government on Monday so the new contracts with low-cost airlines will be signed 4sure.

In the end:
Dnipro will receive the new renovated venue for sports & concerts
Odesa will get the new/renovated airport
Kyiv will be awarded with Eurovision
Trolls will keep wasting their lives. C'est la vie 8-)

MyHeartIsYours
29th August 2016, 01:42
I am so confused about this :lol: But I think I lean towards Odesa. It looks like a lovely city and it would be nice to have it in a different city to 2005. I am not aware of any fighting that has occured there since 2015 too.

VikingTiger
30th August 2016, 13:49
I'm planning to go to Ukraine whatever city is chosen! And we will be staying a week to get time for seeing Kiev (even if we have to go to Odessa for the final show). Already looking forward to visiting the country!

Krishoes
30th August 2016, 16:35
And everyone complaining about the delays... this country is currently being attacked, there's a freaking war going on, you honestly think they don't have more important things to think about?

Actually reading all the controversies, statements, conferences, interviews and so on about Eurovision... I would like to ask that question directly to them.

DanielLuis
30th August 2016, 22:35
Actually reading all the controversies, statements, conferences, interviews and so on about Eurovision... I would like to ask that question directly to them.

That is so true, I've never seen a country/broadcaster milk the Eurovision hosting so much when it's still 9 months to go before the contest starts!

Fierro
31st August 2016, 06:43
Yea, one politician even blackmailed government to give ESC to Odessa or they will not vote for their projects :lol: like wtf

aardvark
3rd September 2016, 23:37
According to OGAE ROW Facebook page, unconfirmed reports are surfacing that Odessa has been chosen as the ESC 2017 host city, and that the announcement will be made on Monday:



Several media from Odessa today report that the decision on the Eurovision 2017 host city has been made in favour of Odessa.
"Although the official decision has not been made public, a large number of influential politicians and media representatives already are widely discussing that the Ministry of Culture has made the final decision to declare Odessa as winner of the competition for the hosting of the Eurovision Song Contest 2017. The official decision will be announced on Monday, 5 September", writes "Yuzhniy courier".
"A few days ago, they were already planning to announce the winner, but just an hour before the scheduled briefing it was cancelled. According to the unofficial information, the abolition of the briefing was preceded by an attempt of Mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko to put pressure on the competition commission and its head Zurab Alasania", adds the website.
"It seems deal for the Eurovision 2017 is in, Odessa should have announcement in few days, (Governor of Odessa Mikhail) Saakashvilli in meeting with (President of Ukraine Petro) Poroshenko now", writes The Odessa Review.
No official comments to this information so far have been received.


http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q584/olivierruan/odessa.jpg

Jacketh
4th September 2016, 00:00
I hope so! :D

AlekS
4th September 2016, 02:37
The president has nothing to do with ESC so their governor having a meeting with him means nothing.

"Yuzhniy courier" said they're citing rumours.

The Minister of Culture decides nothing. He has only 1 vote in the Organizing Committee.

Fierro
4th September 2016, 14:00
I'm sure this "rumor" is fake. They make it so that if Odessa is not chosen people will be angry because they didn't expect such outcome.

AlekS
4th September 2016, 22:09
(If it's between Kyiv & Odesa) the mayor of Dnipro chooses ... Odesa... after slamming them hard previously.
Ukrainian politicians have been already whoring way before Adam & Eve :lol:

Chorizo
6th September 2016, 00:35
Considering how long this takes, the venue is probably the new airport of Berlin. xthink

QwaarJet
6th September 2016, 06:47
Considering how long this takes, the venue is probably the new airport of Berlin. xthink

I'd take Berlin right now tbh. Enough is enough.

GianlucaTomoe
6th September 2016, 11:52
I'd take Berlin right now tbh. Enough is enough.

But you were fine with Azerbaijan announcing the venue in January, I assume? Or even the same Germany announcing everything in October? Double standards much?

A-lister
6th September 2016, 18:18
But you were fine with Azerbaijan announcing the venue in January, I assume? Or even the same Germany announcing everything in October? Double standards much?

This!

What's wrong with having an open selection like Ukraine has, atleast we know more about the "battle of hosting" here than any other year I can remember xshrug, and again people should maybe be reminded that this is a country in war with an economy on the bringe of collapse.

aardvark
6th September 2016, 20:46
ESCKAZ.com / ESCCovers / OGAE Rest of the World / Eurovision South Africa:



By 8th September Ukraine should decide which city will be hosting the Eurovision Song Contest 2017. NTU believes that the issue with the determination of the host city lies not in the field of finances, but in the field of politics. It was repeatedly stated today by Director General of NTU Zurab Alasania.
"I have a feeling that this has to do not with finances, but with politics. I can give two names - it's President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko and Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman. Only those two people know what is going on now", says Alasania in the interview to "Public broadcasting" website.
Alasania is sure nobody else has the information and thus can't guess what is going on and why announcement of the host city of the Eurovision 2017 is delayed again. "This is not about money, this has something to do with politics, but nobody knows exactly what it is. Neither me, nor Minister of Culture Ievhen Nyschuk, nor working group of the Organizing Committee, nor the Mayor of Kyiv Vitali Klitschko, nor the Mayor of Odessa Gennadiy Trukhanov - none of us can even guess what is going on", Alasania is concerned.
According to him, Ukraine is already facing several deadlines. "There is no time left. This Thursday (8th September) I will be having a video connection with the Reference Group of the European Broadcasting Union. By that date there should be ready recommendation on the host city on our part. They want so much us to name any, but just one city", says Alasania.
He notes that by the end of the next week, the European Broadcasting Union has a final deadline to find out the city they will be going next year. Earlier today, he has also mentioned that early next week he is going to depart to Berlin, where he will be meeting members of the reference group of the contest and he needs to inform them on the decision".
Alasania explains that everyone gives their recommendations for the host city. NTU and a working group of the organizing committee already provided their recommendations. There were additional questions concerned the safety and the airport in Odessa.
"The European Broadcasting Union has only one partner in Ukraine - it's the National Television and Radio Company of Ukraine. NTU could have quietly made the choice, because we certainly know what we are speaking about. But money belong to the state, and we're at risk of not getting those 15 mln Euros, which Cabinet has guaranteed to allocate for the Eurovision organization. Without money we will not be able to organize anything", sums up Alasania.

Fierro
6th September 2016, 21:04
This is mess, we should've rejected hosting immediately in May. Better to spend money on more important things like social needs

AlekS
7th September 2016, 00:05
The Head of NTU revealed that they supported Kyiv.
"There were additional questions to Odesa as for safety & airport..."

Now the final decision is up to Prime Minister.

Jacketh
7th September 2016, 01:28
Safe bet for the Prime Minister would surely be Kyiv?

QwaarJet
7th September 2016, 08:35
This!

What's wrong with having an open selection like Ukraine has, atleast we know more about the "battle of hosting" here than any other year I can remember xshrug, and again people should maybe be reminded that this is a country in war with an economy on the bringe of collapse.

Which is exactly why they shouldn't be hosting in the first place, because shit like this happens. Ukraine is so desperate to host because the state their country is in, that it all becomes political and unsavoury, while piece by piece we find out that there is no city in Ukraine fully equipped to host the contest. Which will likely surprise very few.


But you were fine with Azerbaijan announcing the venue in January, I assume? Or even the same Germany announcing everything in October? Double standards much?

How can you accuse me of double standards when you don't even know my opinions on these matters?

Azerbaijan shouldn't have been allowed to host in the first place, and the nonsense with demolishing flats to build a new arena was utterly disgusting. The whole process was a farce.

Well, assuming we get an announcement this month, then Germany will only have been a month later, but without any of the concerns of infrastructure, safety and finances. We knew that whatever destination we got was going to be a good one.

Please, check your facts before accusing me of things.

AlekS
7th September 2016, 13:43
while piece by piece we find out that there is no city in Ukraine fully equipped to host the contest.
Such city is Kyiv with a minor additions to International Exhibition Centre. Such additions were made in Denmark for example.


Well, assuming we get an announcement this month, then Germany will only have been a month later, but without any of the concerns of infrastructure, safety and finances.
O-IO
Infrastructure. Kyiv already has all needed infrastructure. Odesa has already provided financial guarantees for the airport.
Safety. Better count how many terrorist attacks & riots your security failed to prevent in your country and if your security system is ready to work during the war. Israel is in the constant state of war but yet they were allowed to host many times. The same is for JESC in Armenia. The same is for Azerbaijan even despite the war with Armenia and real threats from Al Qaeda & Iranian psychos at that time.
Finances. EBU has already received 15 million € guarantee at their bank account. + The cities have already (in August) secured 5 mil. € in their city budgets. Not any other country provided ALL money needed for the contest so early.


The EBU has already approved all candidate cities, the EBU knows better than everyone else. After all they've been sitting/inspecting everything here for a month.

Chorizo
7th September 2016, 16:03
Which is exactly why they shouldn't be hosting in the first place, because shit like this happens. Ukraine is so desperate to host because the state their country is in, that it all becomes political and unsavoury, while piece by piece we find out that there is no city in Ukraine fully equipped to host the contest. Which will likely surprise very few.

Ukraine really needs to speed up the process and put more effort into hosting but the country deserves our support as the host, especially considering the difficult circumstances. Eurovision is foremost a TV show. As long as the show looks good on TV for tens of millions of viewers, it doesn't really matter if the fans are unhappy with the venue and the location. There are only a few thousand of them. The fans might not like it but that's how it is. If only cities that meet the standards of the recent Western winners were allowed to host, many smaller and poor countries would have no chance to host the contest if they ever won. Surely you wouldn't want to exclude a large number of possible winners from hosting based on their venues not being fancy enough and their towns not being attractive enough to match places like Stockholm, Vienna, Copenhagen or Düsseldorf.

Ukraine not hosting would have been politically impossible. Since 1980, every winner has hosted the contest and the winner hosting is one of the most interesting aspects of Eurovision. Can you imagine Ukraine not being able to host but Russia being allowed to participate despite of the circumstances? I don't think Eurovision needs an Olympic moment like that.

A-lister
7th September 2016, 21:12
Which is exactly why they shouldn't be hosting in the first place, because shit like this happens. Ukraine is so desperate to host because the state their country is in, that it all becomes political and unsavoury, while piece by piece we find out that there is no city in Ukraine fully equipped to host the contest. Which will likely surprise very few.

I agree with Chorizo here, Ukraine won and they deserve to host this fair and square and instead of throwing trash we should support them and applaud them for actually trying, not allowing them to host is just as politically natured and if we talk about safety and stuff, I think western Ukraine is more safe than your random big western European city... or maybe you missed all news about terrorist attacks, sexual and physical assaults etc...?



Well, assuming we get an announcement this month, then Germany will only have been a month later, but without any of the concerns of infrastructure, safety and finances. We knew that whatever destination we got was going to be a good one.


Wait, so it's not a farce if Germany is dragging the announcement but if Ukraine happen to announce the host in the same amount of time and really tries their hardest (taking into consideration their situation) it's suddenly a farce? xshrug And I don't get the "good one" comment, like Ukraine is not good to begin with...?

While I get some of your arguments, there's some west vs east hidden double standards also here...

Jacketh
7th September 2016, 22:04
I agree with @Chorizo (http://www.escunited.com/member.php?u=13781) here, Ukraine won and they deserve to host this fair and square and instead of throwing trash we should support them and applaud them for actually trying, not allowing them to host is just as politically natured and if we talk about safety and stuff, I think western Ukraine is more safe than your random big western European city... or maybe you missed all news about terrorist attacks, sexual and physical assaults etc...?

This is possibly one of the stupid things I've read all year. And that is a year full of Brexit and Donald Trump.




Wait, so it's not a farce if Germany is dragging the announcement but if Ukraine happen to announce the host in the same amount of time and really tries their hardest (taking into consideration their situation) it's suddenly a farce? xshrug And I don't get the "good one" comment, like Ukraine is not good to begin with...?

While I get some of your arguments, there's some west vs east hidden double standards also here...

People do not have a problem with Ukraine hosting. People have a problem with Ukraine hosting when you look at the cost involved, and the fact Ukraine currently have a war going on a lot of areas around there that will need rebuilding.

Much in the same way people brought criticism to Brazil and Rio, and felt like that the Olympics shouldn't be hosted there in such a time of turmoil - it is very valid criticism to say the same about a country like Ukraine and the situation there right now.

Sean
7th September 2016, 22:20
http://www.escunited.com/home/no-host-city-yet-worried/

Some of the biggest and best shows came from late decisions, so I'm not worried... not sure if it has an effect on others though??

AlekS
8th September 2016, 14:46
The host city will be announced tomorrow at 12:00CET.

as for Olympics. Wondering in whose sick dreams it looks the same with ESC :lol:
The budget of billions vs. 15 million €.
Not talking about uncomparable logistics.

QwaarJet
8th September 2016, 16:09
I agree with @Chorizo (http://www.escunited.com/member.php?u=13781) here, Ukraine won and they deserve to host this fair and square and instead of throwing trash we should support them and applaud them for actually trying, not allowing them to host is just as politically natured and if we talk about safety and stuff, I think western Ukraine is more safe than your random big western European city... or maybe you missed all news about terrorist attacks, sexual and physical assaults etc...?



Wait, so it's not a farce if Germany is dragging the announcement but if Ukraine happen to announce the host in the same amount of time and really tries their hardest (taking into consideration their situation) it's suddenly a farce? xshrug And I don't get the "good one" comment, like Ukraine is not good to begin with...?

While I get some of your arguments, there's some west vs east hidden double standards also here...

I never said Ukraine didn't have the right to host, I said I was concerned about their ability to so. I believe what they can offer is below the standards of what Eurovision is now. I hope I'm wrong, but I refuse to anything other than realistic, even if it is an unpopular view. I can't really say anything about comparing the safety of Germany to a country in an active war. I'll agree with Jacketh about that statement.

As for the announcement delay, l gave my reasons why one is OK and the other is not. As for my "double standards", they are simply the cold, hard facts. Most major western cities are better equipped to host than eastern cities. There are obviously exceptions. But with the state Ukraine is in at the moment, I have no faith in their ability to host effectively. It doesn't help that Sweden put on such an incredible show this year.

AlekS
8th September 2016, 20:45
http://i.imgur.com/10HfmBG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cKYJa0q.jpg 12:00CET

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF-aloKZTJA
[English]

WhoKnows
8th September 2016, 20:56
When did Dnipro drop out as a contender? And why?

AlekS
8th September 2016, 21:02
When did Dnipro drop out as a contender? And why?
1 week ago. + it's been confirmed yesterday one more time.
You answered your own question:

Too bad it's in... well, Dnipro, in the middle of nowhere.

AlekS
8th September 2016, 21:07
- Почему выбыл из финала город Днепр? В конце августа министр культуры объяснял это техническими причинами?

- У Днепра были другие недостатки - не хватает сертифицированных гостиниц. И, скажем так, не очень было понятно, что люди должны делать в промежутках между полуфиналом и финалом. Это основные причины. Но есть также и вопросы безопасности. Город неподалеку от АТО.

Here's complete statement.
They lack hotels comparing to other competitors, they are closer to the war zone, there's not enough tourist attractions.

Now my imho - the venue is almost out of the city, it's far from hotels. The renovation (time frame) is much riskier than Odesa, not even comparable to Kyiv. Their airport provides only few international flights.

My prediction: the winner is... Kyiv, IEC.

WhoKnows
8th September 2016, 23:15
AlekS

Those reasons against Dnipro make sense, and I always knew they would never pick it. Just weird that they shortlisted it (over say, Lviv) with those same issues existing back then too.

Anyway, I would be SHOCKED if Kyiv is not announced as the host city.

Fierro
9th September 2016, 00:07
If Kyiv is announced europublic will be mad because they are wanking on Odessa atm

anto475
9th September 2016, 01:04
If Kyiv is announced europublic will be mad because they are wanking on Odessa atm

Sounds messy, hope it's Kyiv as I don't think they'll have time to organise a good contest in Odessa and clean up that mess at the same time ://///////

Fierro
9th September 2016, 09:50
Sounds messy, hope it's Kyiv as I don't think they'll have time to organise a good contest in Odessa and clean up that mess at the same time ://///////

Hha, you watched video :D

AlekS
9th September 2016, 12:59
19 votes for Kyiv the winner
2 against the winner
1 abstained

Fierro
9th September 2016, 13:14
It looks quite boring that it will be Kyiv afterall. But at least it means less problems with organization